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  • The Cost Of Those Cheap Imports

    by coldwarrior ( 223 Comments › )
    Filed under Economy at May 2nd, 2016 - 10:00 am

    This is a quick drive by of why cheap imports are imploding the American Economy.

     

    Back in the mid-80′ American made polo shirts were $45, brand name sneakers were about $100, a very nice TV was $800, and a decent couch was $1500 or so…eggs were .49 a dozen, milk was $1.79 a gallon, and bread was about .50.

     

    Now we have replaced those American goods with cheap import that cost half as much. But, in real terms, the milk, eggs, bread have tripled in cost, so has the electric bill, the phone bill, and the water bill.

     

    Prices on imported consumables are half as much, domestic consumables are tripled.

     

    We spend far more on these domestic consumables than we do on the imported ‘durable’ goods. Therefore total family net out of pocket outlay is essentially the same.

     

    In 1984 there were good paying manufacturing jobs, there was opportunity to make a good living making things. When a country makes things, they add multiple levels of value to the raw material and create wealth by selling finished products. In our ‘service economy’ (you want fries with that?) there is far, far less income opportunity. Real unemployment is at an actual 23% level.

    What to do with all of these unemployed, how to ameliorate this income gap? Eventually they will get angry…easy, subsidize the income gap! Have you noted the increase in food stamps, SSI, disability, and other handouts? Where does that money come from? Well right now it comes from deficit spending to be repaid by The American Tax payer later. Repayment for these cheap imports. Your bill right now is $161,000. Enjoy that $500 Chinese big screen.

    Total American debt is now THREE times GDP. THREE TIMES!!!! GDP growth is at .5% and unemployment is at 22% in reality.

    Stop judging the quality of the economy by how cheap your i-phone is or by all of those Chinese bobbles that you can buy with that measly, stagnant paycheck. There has been 30 years of stagnant wages. This is a problem. A deflation or a standstill in wages is a direct indicator of an economy on life support and increases the number of Americans dependent on the government instead of out there making products and making a decent living from their work. If you graduated high school before the mid-80’s or so you remember what wealth from manufacturing looked like. Hint, it does not look like the ‘new normal’ of the last 30 years.

    That 20 TRILLION dollar debt that we have is the gap in the economy from importing cheap goods and sending manufacturing jobs out of the country by so called ‘free’ trade. Adam Smith would spin in his grave if you pegged this on his idea.

    This is insane and will stop one way or the other. We either collapse or we fix it. Fix it by bringing Manufacturing back to the US. Its not impossible. Yes, the price of goods will go up. Sometimes inflation is good. Rising wages are good, manufacturing at home is great. There will be growing pains as we ramp back up. But, if we don’t we are truly finished.

     

     

     

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    223 Responses to “The Cost Of Those Cheap Imports”
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    1. coldwarrior
      1 | May 2, 2016 10:23 am

      so…what do almost zero% interest rates mean?

      *hint, it isnt an expanding economy*


    2. coldwarrior
      2 | May 2, 2016 10:23 am

      off to the CC!

      later yinz!~


    3. eaglesoars
      3 | May 2, 2016 10:34 am

      I don’t know the answer so I’m asking. How much of this is since/because China joined the WTO?

      NYT Sunday mag was devoted almost entirely to the economy. They had articles premised on the idea that the unemployment rate is 5%, meaning we are at ‘full employment’, so why is everybody unhappy, you buncha racist neanderthal ingrates.

      Gold is up,


    4. lobo91
      4 | May 2, 2016 11:20 am

      @ eaglesoars:

      Are their readers really dumb enough to believe that we actually have 5% unemployment, or have reached the point where they’ll just parrot whatever crap comes out of the White House without regard to the truth?


    5. 5 | May 2, 2016 11:21 am

      Both parties are socialist big government entities. Neither one wants to solve any problem. Its just blaming others.

      Screw them both.

      #NeverTrump
      #NeverHillary


    6. lobo91
      6 | May 2, 2016 11:42 am

      Virginia GOP lawmakers to sue over felons’ voting rights

      Republican lawmakers in Virginia say they plan to file a lawsuit challenging Democratic Gov. Terry McAuliffe’s action allowing more than 200,000 convicted felons to vote in November.

      GOP leaders announced Monday that they have hired an attorney and will contest the governor’s executive order, which restored the rights of felons to vote, run for office and sit on a jury.

      Republicans have called the governor’s action a political ploy designed to help his friend and Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton win votes in November.

      Senate Majority Leader Thomas Norment said they cannot let McAuliffe’s “flagrant disregard” for the Virginia Constitution to go unchecked. The lawmakers didn’t say when they would file their lawsuit.

      McAuliffe has said people who have served their time should be given a second chance.


    7. Bumr50
      7 | May 2, 2016 11:44 am

      @ lobo91:

      Case to be heard the week before Thanksgiving, most probably.


    8. lobo91
      8 | May 2, 2016 11:53 am

      @ Bumr50:

      Probably.

      The comments on the Yahoo site were interesting. About 90% were attacking Republicans for trying to “discriminate” against those poor misunderstood felons.

      Of course, whether or not former felons should be allowed to vote isn’t the issue. There’s already a process for having their voting rights reinstated. The issue is executive overreach by a Democrat governor who’s a long-time Clintonista in an election year.


    9. eaglesoars
      9 | May 2, 2016 11:56 am

      lobo91 wrote:

      @ eaglesoars:

      Are their readers really dumb enough to believe that we actually have 5% unemployment, or have reached the point where they’ll just parrot whatever crap comes out of the White House without regard to the truth?

      Yes and Yes

      There was a book review in the NY Post yesterday and I wish I could remember the name of the book. It’s about how moms use playdates to further their own social status, etc., focusing on NYC. One mom, who is a Republican, was refused a play date by a mom who wanted ‘to limit her child’s exposure to Republicans’.

      That level of stupid is not curable. Fortunately, it can be eradicated.


    10. lobo91
      10 | May 2, 2016 12:08 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      One mom, who is a Republican, was refused a play date by a mom who wanted ‘to limit her child’s exposure to Republicans’.

      But I’m sure she had no problem with her kid playing with the children of gay or lesbian couples. That’s just “diversity.”


    11. The Osprey
    12. RIX
      12 | May 2, 2016 1:46 pm

      http://www.weaselzippers.us/269389-white-house-releases-video-of-obama-saying-fuck-you-chuck-todd/
      @WZ
      Obama is not a guy to go quietly into that good night. He has to release a smart ass video on the way out.


    13. Lily
      13 | May 2, 2016 1:53 pm

      @ eaglesoars:
      How utterly stupid that is by a mom of a child who has no interest in politics. To these leftists liberal idiots just being republican or conservative labels you evil. I had a niece who lives in Washington St. being concerned about moving to TX. Because it is conservative.


    14. Lily
      14 | May 2, 2016 2:00 pm

      @ RIX:
      Wow and the White House released that? How many more of those are they going to release? Well I wish Obama would stick to making stupid videos instead of traveling around the world and mucking things or his continued agenda here at home.


    15. Lily
      15 | May 2, 2016 2:02 pm

      @ Lily:
      It scared her to move to a *conservative state*. Not sure what she thinks conservatives are going to do to her.


    16. lobo91
      16 | May 2, 2016 2:02 pm

      @ Lily:

      I had a niece who lives in Washington St. being concerned about moving to TX. Because it is conservative.

      Did you tell her about the little badges they make liberals wear in Texas?
      /s


    17. lobo91
      17 | May 2, 2016 2:03 pm

      @ Lily:

      Yesterday, he complained about how Republicans “aren’t doing their jobs.”

      And then went to the golf course for 4 1/2 hours.


    18. Lily
      18 | May 2, 2016 2:06 pm

      @ RIX:
      No he is not going to go quietly from the White House. Maybe he’s angling to be in the movies in Hollywood the land of the insane…but wait a lot of them are moving if someone they don’t like becomes president.


    19. Lily
      19 | May 2, 2016 2:11 pm

      @ lobo91:
      LOL! On the serious side….there really is a huge division in this country. Liberals really do think conservatives and Republicans are evil..they never look in the mirror at what being a leftist liberal is all about. Are there really anymore regular liberals anymore they are all leftists now


    20. Lily
      20 | May 2, 2016 2:13 pm

      @ lobo91:
      Really? He is truly a died in the wool hypocrite. .but that is old news.


    21. Iron Fist
      21 | May 2, 2016 2:19 pm

      lobo91 wrote:

      Of course, whether or not former felons should be allowed to vote isn’t the issue. There’s already a process for having their voting rights reinstated. The issue is executive overreach by a Democrat governor who’s a long-time Clintonista in an election year.

      Yep, and if the felon in question doesn’t want to be bothered to fill out the paperwork that is required to get his voting rights back (it really is trivial), we are better off without him or her voting. I think you should get you gun rights back when you get your voting rights back. After all, voting is a privilege . The Right to keep and bear arms is a right. I don’t think that they should be able to deny you your gun rights after you have served your time, and are no longer a danger to your community, but I will go with the baby steps, as necessary.


    22. lobo91
      22 | May 2, 2016 2:20 pm

      The end is near. I actually agree with Bloomberg about something:

      Bloomberg booed as he rips college ‘safe spaces’

      The University of Michigan’s spring commencement was certainly no “safe space” for Michael Bloomberg.

      The former mayor of New York City used part of his address to graduates over the weekend in Ann Arbor to blast the idea of “safe spaces” and other coddling of college students as a “terrible mistake” on the part of college administrations.

      “The fact that some university boards and administrations now bow to pressure and shield students from these ideas through ‘safe spaces,’ ‘code words’ and ‘trigger warnings’ is, in my view, a terrible mistake,” Bloomberg said, drawing a smattering of boos and some applause.

      Bloomberg remarked that college’s “whole purpose” is “to learn how to deal with difficult situations — not to run away from them.”

      “A microaggression is exactly that: micro,” he said. “And one of the most dangerous places on a college campus is a safe space, because it creates the false impression that we can isolate ourselves from those who hold different views.”

      “We can’t, and we shouldn’t, try — not in politics and not in the workplace,” he said.


    23. Lily
      23 | May 2, 2016 2:22 pm

      @ RIX:
      What I meant the other day about the meaning of life, yes God is with us at all times,but living in this world and having free will..is hard but even in this hardness to willfully and freely turn our self back to God. Because so much is working against us. Hence the rise of secularism and atheism.


    24. lobo91
      24 | May 2, 2016 2:24 pm

      @ Iron Fist:

      I don’t think that they should be able to deny you your gun rights after you have served your time, and are no longer a danger to your community, but I will go with the baby steps, as necessary.

      If that’s actually the case, I would tend to agree. And under the current system, if someone receives a pardon, they do get their right to own a gun back.

      But there should be a procedure for it, and it should be on a case-by-case basis, with an actual background check. If you’re just going to make it automatic, why bother to even take it away in the first place?


    25. Iron Fist
      25 | May 2, 2016 2:24 pm

      @ Lily:
      It is projection. Leftists are evil. Not all of them are, but their leadership is. They have ranks of what Lenin called “Useful Idiots” that really believe they are on the side of the angels (even if they don’t believe in angels), but the Leadership knows where they stand. I have no doubt that some of them have had a religious experience similar to thenway God spoke to me, only their experience was with Satan, or one of his supernatural acolytes (read demonic entity). I am also convinced that that is where Mohammed got the Korean. So it is no coincidence that the Democrats support Islam, despite Islam’s apparent hostility to “Liberal values”.


    26. Iron Fist
      26 | May 2, 2016 2:37 pm

      lobo91 wrote:

      If you’re just going to make it automatic, why bother to even take it away in the first place?

      I wouldn’t take it away except while a person was incarcerated, on probation, or parole. But I recognize that this isn’t the state of the law right now. Getting ex-felons their right to self-defense back isn’t going to be high on anybody’s priority list, so I don’t expect to see anything happen on that front. My big thing is that the right to keep and bear arms is a right, and thus they should have a damned good reason to keep you from exercising it. If a person is so dangerous that you are worried about their getting a gun, why are they being released into the population? OTOH, is anybody really concerned that Martha Stewart will buy a pistol for self-defense? The one-size-fits-all approach to taking away one of our fundamental rights should bother everyone, but most people don’t realize how fundamental our Second Amendment rights are. Everyone is taught that gun control is good, and that it positively affects the crime rate, but the truth, as it often is when dealing with Leftist doctrine, is quite the opposite.


    27. lobo91
      27 | May 2, 2016 2:42 pm

      @ Iron Fist:

      The one-size-fits-all approach to taking away one of our fundamental rights should bother everyone, but most people don’t realize how fundamental our Second Amendment rights are.

      That’s why I said that it should be on a case-by-case basis.

      Most people have no idea how high the recidivism rate for felons really is. Nationwide, it’s between 30 and 50%. Here in NM, it’s 48% overall, and about 65% for female offenders.


    28. Lily
      28 | May 2, 2016 2:52 pm

      @ Lily:

      All we have to do is read Ephesians about what we are dealing with in this world.

      “For it is not against human enemies that we have to struggle, but against the principalities and the ruling forces who are masters of the
      of the darkness in this world, the spirits of evil in the heavens.”

      Ephesians 6:12

      It goes to tell you how to gird yourself against these unseen forces.
      But yet God is constantly and gently calling us back to him and has even given us the tools to gird ourselves with and it is this which if we don’t listen to the gently prodding to turn back by out free will is what I was talking about. We are born into a sinful world and the rosy road isn’t towards God it is a false road that evil puts up…it is indeed the hard road that turns into roses that we must walk. But God is always with us and constantly calling to us. For one soul he will move heaven and earth to get back. Once our eyes are open we see God in everything!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8VMYLniuDk


    29. troutski
      29 | May 2, 2016 2:55 pm

      @ Iron Fist:
      I’d agree. I think once time is served then rights should all be restored. None of this life long punitive stuff. But if a person becomes a two time loser, then I would make them a second class citizen.

      I’d also probably make an exception for people that use a gun in a violent crime. For that set of people, I’d chip them permanently so they set off sirens and flashing lights around voting booths and gun shows. I wouldn’t let them have kids either.


    30. Lily
      30 | May 2, 2016 2:56 pm

      lobo91 wrote:

      @ Iron Fist:

      I don’t think that they should be able to deny you your gun rights after you have served your time, and are no longer a danger to your community, but I will go with the baby steps, as necessary.

      If that’s actually the case, I would tend to agree. And under the current system, if someone receives a pardon, they do get their right to own a gun back.

      But there should be a procedure for it, and it should be on a case-by-case basis, with an actual background check. If you’re just going to make it automatic, why bother to even take it away in the first place?

      Indeed it should be a case by case basis. How many criminals who are let out will commit more crimes. If you are letting a habitual criminal out the odds are that he will commit more crimes.


    31. Lily
      31 | May 2, 2016 3:03 pm

      @ Iron Fist:

      Actually some have had a religious experience that was by God and in time they still turn away from this and re-again start believing in what is not of God. I have seen this happen. How can they believe in abortion after what they went through. How do they not see evil right in front of their faces? Because when we do have an experience evil is all over it to break them down. Can’t have people talking about how God is very much REAL! You have to be ever vigilant concerning our souls. One person I know who went through a very extreme experience intended to ignore it right out from the gate because they didn’t want to be labeled as *crazy*. The path this person is on is not good at this point. But God continues to call his little ones back to Him even at the moment of death.


    32. lobo91
      32 | May 2, 2016 3:05 pm

      @ Lily:

      Indeed it should be a case by case basis. How many criminals who are let out will commit more crimes. If you are letting a habitual criminal out the odds are that he will commit more crimes.

      Where I work, we all know that 2/3 of the ones we release will be back, most within the year.


    33. Lily
      33 | May 2, 2016 3:08 pm

      @ Iron Fist:
      That damn good reason for keeping *felons* from having weapons is killing people or peoples ….they pled down from a horrific crime to a ten year sentence and out they are. Are they now crime free…who knows. Another is battery and abusing children and women…yeah jailing them will not stop them from hating women…the next time they will kill their next victim, even though they have served their time. Iron it should be a case by case issue. I don’t feel comfortable allowing rapists, murders, abusers or molesters having guns.


    34. Lily
      34 | May 2, 2016 3:12 pm

      lobo91 wrote:

      @ Iron Fist:

      The one-size-fits-all approach to taking away one of our fundamental rights should bother everyone, but most people don’t realize how fundamental our Second Amendment rights are.

      That’s why I said that it should be on a case-by-case basis.

      Most people have no idea how high the recidivism rate for felons really is. Nationwide, it’s between 30 and 50%. Here in NM, it’s 48% overall, and about 65% for female offenders.

      Plea deals. So if someone gets only 10 years it couldn’t have been that bad…oh yeah look at their record. Or some get caught on a much lesser crime…although they are much more violent than what they are in jail for. Sometimes that is the only way to take a violent person off the street …catching them in crime that really doesn’t say who they really are. Policemen and Prosecutors aren’t always able to get them jailed on the more violent crime because not enough evidence.


    35. Iron Fist
      35 | May 2, 2016 3:22 pm

      Lily wrote:

      God is very much REAL! You have to be ever vigilant concerning our souls. One person I know who went through a very extreme experience intended to ignore it right out from the gate because they didn’t want to be labeled as *crazy*.

      It was intimidating and, really, scary as hell when I went in and told my psychiatrist that God Himself had spoken to me. I was very much afraid that she would write it off as a delusion, and possible even put me inpatient to treat my “delusion”. None of that happened. She listened to my explanation, and she believed that it was, indeed, a missive from the Almighty. I am still amazed at it. It was a very surreal experience. I could feel the Holy Spirit around me, though I didn’t know what I was feeling at the time.

      I have the Bible verse, Deut. 2:7 tattooed on the back of my neck. People ask about it from time to time, and that gives me an opportunity to witness to them the Power that God has shown in my life. God is real, and that changes everything. I have always believed in God, though I have doubted His love, especially for me. But hindsight shows me that God was shaping my life for a purpose, and that purpose has been for my good.

      Even the horrible accident that cost the life of my best friend had a purpose, and was working towards my good. If Sam had lived we’d have wound up in the Outlaws or the Hell’s Angels, and that is a hard lifestyle. I don’t judge the guys who choose it, but I am very glad I didn’t make the mistake of joining the Outlaws when I had the chance. The Mafia Princess would have never dated me if I were a 1%er, even though she believed that she would ultimately wind up with a biker. That, in and of itself, is interesting. She had a small hint of her future revealed to her, I believe.


    36. coldwarrior
      36 | May 2, 2016 3:26 pm

      The Osprey wrote:

      Rasmussen: Trump 41%, Hildebeest 39%

      BUTBUTBUTBUTBUTBUT…..*SEIZURE*

      😆

      time to cook some steaks and drink some beer. it will be a good day.

      oh, n mrs coldwarrior informed me that we MUST drink the wine that was blessed at pascha liturgy yesterday. it CANNOT go to waste.

      it is good to be orthodox.

      😆


    37. Lily
      37 | May 2, 2016 3:29 pm

      @ troutski:

      Fists are used, knives, cars and hands…so if they get a gun then it makes them even more violent. No. Some people/criminals are not just your pot smoking or non-violent offenders. There are a lot of violent people in prison with records that are longer than you are tall. You can even tell by their records with each offense they are getting more and more violent. I know of one I know of that with each and every offense he got more and more violent. He nearly beat a women to death. He is in jail now. I can guarantee you if they let him out (and he will probably only served 5 to 10 years and 10 years at best) he will kill the next woman he is with when he is drunk.


    38. Iron Fist
      38 | May 2, 2016 3:32 pm

      Lily wrote:

      I don’t feel comfortable allowing rapists, murders, abusers or molesters having guns.

      My point would be why are you letting these people out of prison to begin with? They are dangers to the community. Instead of trying to police who is buying a gun, which requires an undue burden on law-abiding citizens, you should keep people who commit these kinds of crimes locked up. That would be my answer to Lobo’s point about recidivists. If you know they are going to be back in the system in a year, why let them out in the first place? Also, I would argue that there are no dangerous weapons. There are dangerous people. A hardened, vicious felon can kill you in many ways, including with their bare hands. OTOH, most people can’t defend themselves without some kind of tool, and a gun is the best tool for that. I don’t like seeing any kind of restrictions on people’s right to bear arms. I consider this restrictions to ultimately be a greater threat to the Liberty of society than the risk an individual criminal will get a gun. Background checks don’t stop felons from getting guns, anyway. Most of the time a criminal can get a gun easier than a civilian.


    39. Lily
      39 | May 2, 2016 3:32 pm

      lobo91 wrote:

      @ Lily:

      Indeed it should be a case by case basis. How many criminals who are let out will commit more crimes. If you are letting a habitual criminal out the odds are that he will commit more crimes.

      Where I work, we all know that 2/3 of the ones we release will be back, most within the year.

      Indeed when my son was working in the jail, upon releasing them they would tell him, “Sarge see you again in a couple of weeks.” Some are violent some aren’t …case by case.


    40. Iron Fist
      40 | May 2, 2016 3:39 pm

      lobo91 wrote:

      Most people have no idea how high the recidivism rate for felons really is. Nationwide, it’s between 30 and 50%. Here in NM, it’s 48% overall, and about 65% for female offenders.

      Yep, and I wouldn’t be letting most of these people out of prison to begin with. That’s where I would manage them on a case-by-case basis. I distrust the background check mechanism that they have in place. Nit simply because it generates lots of false rejections, but because of the potential for abuse of the system. They aren’t supposed to keep a record of the people who have background checks ran, but I simply don’t trust them that I believe that they aren’t keeping those records. The law forbids them from having a computerized registration of guns, but with the background check they are building a registration of gun owners. This is a much greater threat to the community than an individual bad guy getting a gun. We also all know that the background check mechanism doesn’t really stop these guys from getting guns. It is a minor inconvenience for them.


    41. Lily
      41 | May 2, 2016 4:28 pm

      @ Iron Fist:
      When you doubted God’s love that was something evil whispering in your ear. God never quits us any of us…but too many of us quit on Him. That is very tragic and sometimes God takes a soul before it could damn itself. Not always but sometimes. God was with you the whole time you were walking down that hard road. Always. He was just waiting for you to see that He was with you and in time YOU SAW IT!!!! But yes it is very hard to tell someone God reached out to you and you KNOW GOD IS REAL! I know God is real and the most awesome thing you could ever experience. Someone told me NO ONE can know God is real…oh yes they can. The person who told me that is agnostic/atheist…they border on both of these. God has even shown them his Awesomeness…yet they still can’t see what has been shown them. Miracles are just happen chance and not miracles to them. Only God can try and reach them because no person can. It is like their mission to prove God doesn’t exist. I don’t understand this…and never will.


    42. Lily
      42 | May 2, 2016 4:40 pm

      @ Iron Fist:
      Unfortunately you just can’t keep someone in prison just because *you think* they will commit another crime. There has to be evidence of this. Now the evidence could be their record but if they plea dealed down to a lower sentence…you can’t keep them in longer than their sentence. Again I mention a lot of times some violent felons are caught on something a bit less violent..hence their sentence will reflect that charge. It has to be on a case by case scenario. Just because someone says they are going to kill you ….you can’t lock them up for that unless an attempt has been made. This tragic..but until they break the law you cannot lock them up for that. The law is the law and in many cases good behavior in jail plays a factor. The problem is with many of the more violent offenders they do behave themselves in prison..because of the structure once out they lose that structure and go back to their old ways…and in some cases more violent ways. They have had lots of time to think. Another thing one has to remember in prisons and jails…cot space, cot space, cot space, there just isn’t enough room to hold everyone you think will go and commit more crimes.


    43. Lily
      43 | May 2, 2016 4:45 pm

      @ Iron Fist:

      By not allowing felons to have guns does nothing to the law abiding citizen. Yes they can kill you with their hands but why give them another tool to hurt, maim or kill someone. Yes some criminals can get a hold of guns but why make it legal for them to have one. You break the law you lose some rights and if owning a gun is one of them I don’t feel sorry for them.


    44. Lily
      44 | May 2, 2016 4:52 pm

      A quote to ponder upon:

      “The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: it connected in one indissoluble bond the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity”
      —John Quincy Adams


    45. lobo91
      45 | May 2, 2016 4:56 pm

      @ Iron Fist:

      My point would be why are you letting these people out of prison to begin with? They are dangers to the community. Instead of trying to police who is buying a gun, which requires an undue burden on law-abiding citizens, you should keep people who commit these kinds of crimes locked up. That would be my answer to Lobo’s point about recidivists. If you know they are going to be back in the system in a year, why let them out in the first place?

      I agree, but that’s really a different topic. We do let people out of prison way too soon in many cases, and we allow them to plead to greatly reduced charges in order to eliminate having to hold trials. Another factor is concurrent sentences. I think the record for ones I’ve seen is 53 concurrent counts. Basically, there’s no more penalty for committing multiple crimes than there is for committing one.


    46. lobo91
      46 | May 2, 2016 4:59 pm

      @ Lily:

      The problem is with many of the more violent offenders they do behave themselves in prison..because of the structure once out they lose that structure and go back to their old ways…and in some cases more violent ways.

      And for the inmates where I work, a lot of that structure includes meds. Close to 2/3 of them are on psych meds of some kind. In prison, they have to stand in line and take them. Once they get out, not so much.


    47. Lily
      47 | May 2, 2016 5:07 pm

      Darn…I have put the thread on life support …. again.

      Maybe a lovely song resurrect it:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQLqu-ThMOY


    48. Lily
      48 | May 2, 2016 5:10 pm

      @ lobo91:

      Indeed. Plea deals cut costs for trials and it also shows that the D.A. doesn’t think it really has enough to convict. They are not going to go to trial if they can’t win hands down or the defendant realizes there is so much evidence against him a trial would result in a much harsher sentence so they plea down if they have a chance.


    49. Lily
      49 | May 2, 2016 5:20 pm

      lobo91 wrote:

      @ Lily:

      The problem is with many of the more violent offenders they do behave themselves in prison..because of the structure once out they lose that structure and go back to their old ways…and in some cases more violent ways.

      And for the inmates where I work, a lot of that structure includes meds. Close to 2/3 of them are on psych meds of some kind. In prison, they have to stand in line and take them. Once they get out, not so much.

      Again that is another problem. With men there isn’t that many on meds.
      There is a whole pod of them on meds. But those are the ones on meds. The other pods aren’t on meds. I am going by what my son has told me working a decade in the jail. There is a pod for the most dangerous ones and etc. etc. etc.
      Back on point the huge closure of psych wards has created a huge problem. Because they (stupidly I might add) thought they would take their meds on their own…nope. So not only does the justice system have to handle criminals they also have to handle mentally disturbed people.


    50. RIX
      50 | May 2, 2016 5:39 pm

      @ Iron Fist:
      Hey Staley Anne birthed Obama , and she was not barred from having more children.


    51. Lily
      51 | May 2, 2016 5:39 pm

      But wait didn’t he say he pulled our economy back from the brink of collapse or some other wordage like that…..not really. I think Obama greatest fan of all is himself. Narcissistic to the core. (An as aside the Mayo Clinic lists this disorder as *Rare*. Really with facebook and sticks to take selfies narcissism is at an all time high! I could go on with more examples but digress).

      Year 8 of Barak Obama’s Lame Duck Economy

      On the matter of Barack Obama and the performance of the U.S. economy, the aptest metaphor is anatine: We aren’t swimming in gold like Scrooge McDuck, and we haven’t blasted the beak off our face with a shotgun like Daffy Duck, but instead limp along like what the president is: a lame duck.

      Spare me the technicalities about how President Obama isn’t officially a lame duck until after the election; we aren’t officially in recession, either, but 0.5 percent annualized growth — the most recent figure — is close enough. How should we judge President Obama’s economic record?

      There are two ways to go about that: First, from the point of view of people who understand at least a little about economics; second, from the point of view of Barack Obama.

      http://www.weaselzippers.us/269402-year-8-of-barack-obamas-lame-duck-economy/


    52. lobo91
      52 | May 2, 2016 5:43 pm

      @ Lily:

      We released one last week, several months past when she could have gotten out (after about her fourth time there), only to have her picked up in Albuquerque 2 days later. She’ll be back in prison on Wednesday.

      She’s completely feral. She can’t hold a conversation with someone for 5 minutes without it turning into a screaming match. And she’s violent.

      That’s why it took us so long to release her. Her family won’t take her, and none of the regular programs in the state would, either. We finally talked one of them into taking her, and they kicked her out the next day for totally disrupting the place.

      Most of us think she belongs in a psych ward, but they’ve had “experts” come in and evaluate her, and they claim that she has no underlying mental issues.


    53. Lily
      53 | May 2, 2016 5:43 pm

      @ RIX:

      Hey Rix …I left upthread something that I didn’t quite flesh out on another thread about the meaning of life…when I said maybe it is a way for us to turn towards God in this difficult world. Or something to that effect. (I hope I didn’t word you out!) 🙂


    54. lobo91
      54 | May 2, 2016 5:46 pm

      @ Lily:

      But wait didn’t he say he pulled our economy back from the brink of collapse or some other wordage like that…..not really.

      In fact, he complained that not enough people give him credit for it just recently.

      I, on the other hand, give him total credit for the turn my life has taken since he took office. I hope he chokes on it.


    55. RIX
      55 | May 2, 2016 5:53 pm

      pLily wrote:

      @ RIX:

      Hey Rix …I left upthread something that I didn’t quite flesh out on another thread about the meaning of life…when I said maybe it is a way for us to turn towards God in this difficult world. Or something to that effect. (I hope I didn’t word you out!)

      Hi Lily, you can do no wrong. (:


    56. RIX
      56 | May 2, 2016 5:54 pm

      @ lobo91:
      Coal miners love him. Being destitute is so cool.


    57. Lily
      57 | May 2, 2016 6:00 pm

      @ lobo91:

      Most of us think she belongs in a psych ward, but they’ve had “experts” come in and evaluate her, and they claim that she has no underlying mental issues.

      If the staff can see the underlying issues…why can’t *experts* see it and exactly how long did they *evaluate* her? It took years for my nieces to get their mother diagnosed properly. She left havoc and destruction wherever she went. Some how she avoided getting arresting except one time when she accused an officer of trying to steal her purse he knew right away she had a mental problem and they put her on a 72 hour psych evaluation. Problem was she had her parents come get her out. They somehow couldn’t force her to stay. She had caused my brother HUGE problems, she robbed my grandmother blind, then she took my parents credit card and went to town because she thought it was owed to her and she thought when my grandmother died she should have inherited some money (my grandmother died penniless because she had over the years cleaned her out). She pulled a knife on her youngest daughter again over money. Money, money and money was what she was all about. She finally got the diagnosis of *Borderline Personality Disorder*. There is no fixing this. It took years and years to get someone to find out what was wrong. Although my brother had long divorced her and got full custody of the girls. He helped them find out the problem. They were told to keep male children away from her. She should also be kept away from the elderly ….she has been fired from several nursing homes (over what I’m not sure..theft is my guess) and she is working at one right now. A big mistake. Hence the problem with getting proper psych evals.


    58. RIX
      58 | May 2, 2016 6:00 pm

      http://www.weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Glenn-Beck-DC-Getty-640×480-1.jpg
      @WZ
      Glenn Beck is asking you to join him in a day of fasting in the run up to the Indiana Primary.
      This guy is hearing voices.


    59. Lily
      59 | May 2, 2016 6:04 pm

      lobo91 wrote:

      @ Lily:

      But wait didn’t he say he pulled our economy back from the brink of collapse or some other wordage like that…..not really.

      In fact, he complained that not enough people give him credit for it just recently.

      I, on the other hand, give him total credit for the turn my life has taken since he took office. I hope he chokes on it.

      No kidding. But lying comes natural to Obama especially when he is pumping up his already bloated ego. The man has no conscience. He has already left plenty of destruction…and we still have months to go.


    60. Lily
      60 | May 2, 2016 6:05 pm

      @ RIX:

      Oh I don’t know about that! Please if I state something wrong please tell me. I’m wordy though. 😎


    61. Lily
      61 | May 2, 2016 6:09 pm

      RIX wrote:

      @ lobo91:
      Coal miners love him. Being destitute is so cool.

      The absolute destruction concerning these people is abominable. Nothing but absolute ruination of these people. They are waiting in food lines at the local food banks now…when at one time they were a thriving community. Not anymore.


    62. Iron Fist
      62 | May 2, 2016 6:13 pm

      Lily wrote:

      By not allowing felons to have guns does nothing to the law abiding citizen.

      Requiring background checks on gun purchases affects law abiding gun purchasers. It also has the potential for abuse that far outweighs any civic value for them. Criminals just find other avenues for getting their weapons. That is my opposition to background checks. What do background checks really accomplish? The potential for abuse far outweighs any possible civic gains from the practice. There is no other Civil Right that is subject to such prior restraint. Gun rights are civil rights. Period. Full stop. They have to be treated as such. They are not a privilege. They are a right.


    63. RIX
      63 | May 2, 2016 6:25 pm

      Lily wrote:

      RIX wrote:

      @ lobo91:
      Coal miners love him. Being destitute is so cool.

      The absolute destruction concerning these people is abominable. Nothing but absolute ruination of these people. They are waiting in food lines at the local food banks now…when at one time they were a thriving community. Not anymore.

      These are proud hard working people. But Obama declared war on coal destroying the companies and these people.


    64. eaglesoars
      64 | May 2, 2016 6:26 pm

      lobo91 wrote:

      they claim that she has no underlying mental issues.

      When they do the autopsy – which will be relatively soon because somebody is going to kill her, probably in self defense – they will find some abnormality in her brain

      RIX wrote:

      This guy is hearing voices.

      Undoubtedly from the IRS


    65. Iron Fist
      65 | May 2, 2016 6:31 pm

      @ RIX:
      Excellent point. There are a lot of people who should never have kids, but there is nothing that can be done about that in a free country. Everyone can find something that they think would be better accomplished by dictatorship than in a free society, but dictatorships are not legitimate governments. Read the Declaration of Independence:

      We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.

      Those are the philosophical underpinnings of our system of government. The protection of Liberty is the real legitimate purpose of Government. Government does not exist to ease our way in the world, or even to defend us from criminals. These may be side-effects of a legitimate Government, but they are not why the Government is instituted in the first place. The Democrat Left do not really agree with that philosophy. They believe in dictatorship, not Liberty. They will not say so directly, of course. Look at my favorite hobby horse, the Second Amendment. Even Hillary Clinton claims to “support” the Second Amendment, but then comes the “But“. There is always a “But” for those people whence it comes to civil rights. They don’t believe that rights are really rights. They believe that our civil rights are really privileges granted to us by the government, and subject to revocation at the discression of the State. I disagree completely. Our civil rights, including the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, are rights that no legitimate government can abridge. That is at the core of my opposition to background checks for the purchase of firearms. There is no civic good that is accomplished by background checks that isn’t outweighed by the harm done by treating our rights as privileges subject to government approval.


    66. Lily
      66 | May 2, 2016 6:33 pm

      RIX wrote:

      http://www.weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Glenn-Beck-DC-Getty-640×480-1.jpg
      @WZ
      Glenn Beck is asking you to join him in a day of fasting in the run up to the Indiana Primary.
      This guy is hearing voices.

      He’s off the mark here and apparently over the edge here mentally too.
      He’s fasting for Glenn Becks will to be done…not God’s. Does he know what God wants here?


    67. Lily
      67 | May 2, 2016 6:37 pm

      @ Iron Fist:
      But when you commit a heinous crimes do you not lose this right? (I am not trying to offend you Iron by no means I am just looking at from a different point of view).


    68. lobo91
      68 | May 2, 2016 6:39 pm

      Lily wrote:

      @ Iron Fist:
      But when you commit a heinous crimes do you not lose this right? (I am not trying to offend you Iron by no means I am just looking at from a different point of view).

      Sure, but his point was that such people should be in prison, so it wouldn’t matter.

      As I said, though, that’s a different issue. We have to deal with the system we have, which won’t allow us to properly punish them.


    69. Lily
      69 | May 2, 2016 6:41 pm

      RIX wrote:

      Lily wrote:

      RIX wrote:

      @ lobo91:
      Coal miners love him. Being destitute is so cool.

      The absolute destruction concerning these people is abominable. Nothing but absolute ruination of these people. They are waiting in food lines at the local food banks now…when at one time they were a thriving community. Not anymore.

      These are proud hard working people. But Obama declared war on coal destroying the companies and these people.

      Yes he did and it is a deadly thing to do to be honest. Next comes shutting down the coal plants. This is going to increase the heating and cooling of homes were it is needed the most. The last time I looked at a map of where the coal plants were the biggest cluster was up north. So this is probably going to hurt the elderly, the poor and those on fixed incomes. Especially in states where it gets cold!


    70. lobo91
      70 | May 2, 2016 6:43 pm

      @ Lily:

      I recently got a new inmate on my caseload who I think should have gotten the death penalty. But we don’t have that option anymore, and have never sentenced a woman to death in the modern era, anyway.

      She should have gotten life plus 20 years, but they allowed her to plead to second degree murder, and gave her a 51 year sentence with 17 suspended. She’ll serve about 30 years.


    71. Lily
      71 | May 2, 2016 6:47 pm

      lobo91 wrote:

      Lily wrote:

      @ Iron Fist:
      But when you commit a heinous crimes do you not lose this right? (I am not trying to offend you Iron by no means I am just looking at from a different point of view).

      Sure, but his point was that such people should be in prison, so it wouldn’t matter.

      As I said, though, that’s a different issue. We have to deal with the system we have, which won’t allow us to properly punish them.

      Indeed that was what I was trying to get across. They let violent criminals out everyday. Because plea deals or they weren’t arrested for something extremely violent.


    72. Lily
      72 | May 2, 2016 6:51 pm

      lobo91 wrote:

      @ Lily:

      I recently got a new inmate on my caseload who I think should have gotten the death penalty. But we don’t have that option anymore, and have never sentenced a woman to death in the modern era, anyway.

      She should have gotten life plus 20 years, but they allowed her to plead to second degree murder, and gave her a 51 year sentence with 17 suspended. She’ll serve about 30 years.

      They suspended 17 years? Good grief. I don’t know what the crime was but yes these kind of deals are made all across the country. Many still think females aren’t as violent as males. They are different for sure. But the body count can be just as bad as a male. Females can be very violent. Not to mention I am seeing more females that are violent than you use to.


    73. Lily
      73 | May 2, 2016 6:58 pm

      @ Lily:

      They put to death a female in Texas a few years back that had converted to Christianity. Sure she was meek and mild in prison and her conversion may have been real. They tried to convert her sentence to life because she had changed. Her crime was heinous though.
      Karla Faye Tucker.
      The murders

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karla_Faye_Tucker


    74. eaglesoars
      74 | May 2, 2016 7:02 pm

      lobo91 wrote:

      I recently got a new inmate on my caseload who I think should have gotten the death penalty.

      worse than Darci Pierce?


    75. eaglesoars
      75 | May 2, 2016 7:03 pm

      Lily wrote:

      Karla Faye Tucker.

      I remember her very well. I would have commuted that sentence to life. Bush 43 was the governor I believe and let the death penalty stand.


    76. RIX
      76 | May 2, 2016 7:08 pm

      @ eaglesoars:
      RIX wrote:

      This guy is hearing voices.

      Undoubtedly from the IRS

      No doubt.


    77. Lily
      77 | May 2, 2016 7:11 pm

      @ Lily:

      Well I meant I didn’t know what type of murder but apparently it was murder in the first degree pleaded down…not all that uncommon.


    78. RIX
      78 | May 2, 2016 7:13 pm

      @ Iron Fist:
      The primary duty of the government is defense. The safety of the American people is its primary responsibility,
      and unvented immigration fro the Middle East is straight up dereliction of duty.


    79. Lily
      79 | May 2, 2016 7:14 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      She wasn’t going to go anywhere if Bush would have commuted her to life.
      It was definitely a contested battle going on …one for life…one for the death penalty.


    80. RIX
      80 | May 2, 2016 7:15 pm

      @ Lily:
      He’s off the mark here and apparently over the edge here mentally too.
      He’s fasting for Glenn Becks will to be done…not God’s. Does he know what God wants here?

      He is convinced that he is getting memos from the Deity.


    81. brookly red
      81 | May 2, 2016 7:15 pm

      RIX wrote:

      @ Iron Fist:
      The primary duty of the government is defense. The safety of the American people is its primary responsibility,
      and unvented immigration fro the Middle East is straight up dereliction of duty.

      no it’s sabotage


    82. Lily
      82 | May 2, 2016 7:18 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      The one thing about the death penalty if the prosecutors get it wrong there is no un-doing the deed. Tucker’s case there was no doubt, but there would have been nothing wrong in commuting the sentence.


    83. RIX
      83 | May 2, 2016 7:19 pm

      http://www.weaselzippers.us/269479-clinton-now-trying-to-suck-up-to-coal-miners-for-votes-after-saying-she-wanted-to-eliminate-their-jobs/
      @ WZ
      Hillary by her own words was onboard with Obama to destroy coal. Now she wants their votes? This is scurulious.


    84. Lily
      84 | May 2, 2016 7:19 pm

      @ RIX:

      Glenn Beck has really changed and gone over the edge. Big time.


    85. RIX
      85 | May 2, 2016 7:20 pm

      @ brookly red:
      Could be sabotage.


    86. RIX
      86 | May 2, 2016 7:22 pm

      Lily wrote:

      @ RIX:

      Glenn Beck has really changed and gone over the edge. Big time.

      I’m guessing drugs, copious amounts of alcohol , or just gone nuts.


    87. Lily
      87 | May 2, 2016 7:22 pm

      @ RIX:

      Has she totally lost her mind? These votes are lost. She is wasting her time. Unless she out and out says she will undo what Obama did, which I doubt she will say or do.


    88. eaglesoars
      88 | May 2, 2016 7:24 pm

      RIX wrote:

      I’m guessing drugs, copious amounts of alcohol , or just gone nuts.

      He did have a serious drug problem years ago. Got clean, converted to Morman. So I’m guessing ‘just nuts’


    89. Lily
      89 | May 2, 2016 7:26 pm

      @ RIX:

      Over the election? Does he say what God says to him? I haven’t paid attention to Glenn Beck in a while. The last time I saw his show he said something to the effect, “Ladies and Gentlemen, I know it isn’t correct to say but we just might see assassination in the future.”
      I went what???


    90. RIX
      91 | May 2, 2016 7:28 pm

      Lily wrote:

      @ RIX:

      Over the election? Does he say what God says to him? I haven’t paid attention to Glenn Beck in a while. The last time I saw his show he said something to the effect, “Ladies and Gentlemen, I know it isn’t correct to say but we just might see assassination in the future.”
      I went what???

      I heard that. Then he got even nuttier, and I couldn’t listen to him anymore.


    91. lobo91
      92 | May 2, 2016 7:32 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      lobo91 wrote:

      I recently got a new inmate on my caseload who I think should have gotten the death penalty.

      worse than Darci Pierce?

      Different circumstances, but equally depraved.

      She was 18 at the time of the crime. 21 now.

      She and two of her friends decided that they needed a car, so rather than stealing one out of a parking lot or something, they decided to kill some guy they knew and take his. One of the girls decided that she didn’t want to be part of the murder, so they dropped her off at McDonalds while they went to the guy’s house.

      The two of them “distracted” the guy (I’ll let you use your imagination), and then one of them began stabbing him while he sat on the couch. Something like a dozen times.

      As it turned out, he wasn’t dead yet. So they smothered him with a pillow. That didn’t kill him, either, so they went back to stabbing him some more, while he was pleading with them to just take whatever they wanted.

      When he finally died, they took the car keys, drug the body to the car, and put it in the trunk. Then they went to McDonalds to retrieve their friend.

      The three of them drove out to the West Mesa to dispose of the body, but couldn’t find a good spot. They stopped at Wallgreen’s along the way to pick up a can of charcoal lighter fluid, so they could burn the body.

      After that, they decided to go to Los Lunas, instead. That’s the next city south of Albuquerque on I-25.

      So there they are, driving 60 mph in the left lane on I-25, in a 75 mph zone, when a state cop sees how slow they’re going. He hits his lights and turns around in the median to pull them over. Then they decided to speed up. They took the next exit, and went off into a residential area at high speed, with the cop chasing them. Then they accidentally turned into a cul de sac.

      The cop stops and gets out of his car, knowing that they have nowhere to go. Instead of giving up, they tried to run him over. They must have come pretty close, because he ended up shooting at the car, which is something NMSP almost never do (unlike APD, who will shoot people for pretty much any reason).

      They went around the corner, and crashed into a parked car. That was the end of the chase.


    92. 93 | May 2, 2016 7:33 pm

      @ Lily:

      Hiya!
      Trump is nowhere near God. He is a spawn of Satan like Hillary. Both the Republican party and Democrats are evil and America will never be great again until both entities are eradicated.

      Both push racial and regional hate that is dividing us.


    93. eaglesoars
      94 | May 2, 2016 7:36 pm

      @ lobo91:

      yep, that’s death penalty. The poor cop. He probably still has nightmares.


    94. 95 | May 2, 2016 7:36 pm

      @ Lily:

      Hillary does not need their votes. Both parties have decided to abandon whole segments of America.

      The 2016 election is basically the GOP representing rural whites vs. Democrats representing Urban Whites/Hispanics/Blacks/Asians.

      Both parties are sectarian/regional.

      This is going to end well no matter who wins.


    95. brookly red
      96 | May 2, 2016 7:37 pm

      lobo91 wrote:

      eaglesoars wrote:

      lobo91 wrote:

      I recently got a new inmate on my caseload who I think should have gotten the death penalty.

      worse than Darci Pierce?

      Different circumstances, but equally depraved.

      She was 18 at the time of the crime. 21 now.

      She and two of her friends decided that they needed a car, so rather than stealing one out of a parking lot or something, they decided to kill some guy they knew and take his. One of the girls decided that she didn’t want to be part of the murder, so they dropped her off at McDonalds while they went to the guy’s house.

      The two of them “distracted” the guy (I’ll let you use your imagination), and then one of them began stabbing him while he sat on the couch. Something like a dozen times.

      As it turned out, he wasn’t dead yet. So they smothered him with a pillow. That didn’t kill him, either, so they went back to stabbing him some more, while he was pleading with them to just take whatever they wanted.

      When he finally died, they took the car keys, drug the body to the car, and put it in the trunk. Then they went to McDonalds to retrieve their friend.

      The three of them drove out to the West Mesa to dispose of the body, but couldn’t find a good spot. They stopped at Wallgreen’s along the way to pick up a can of charcoal lighter fluid, so they could burn the body.

      After that, they decided to go to Los Lunas, instead. That’s the next city south of Albuquerque on I-25.

      So there they are, driving 60 mph in the left lane on I-25, in a 75 mph zone, when a state cop sees how slow they’re going. He hits his lights and turns around in the median to pull them over. Then they decided to speed up. They took the next exit, and went off into a residential area at high speed, with the cop chasing them. Then they accidentally turned into a cul de sac.

      The cop stops and gets out of his car, knowing that they have nowhere to go. Instead of giving up, they tried to run him over. They must have come pretty close, because he ended up shooting at the car, which is something NMSP almost never do (unlike APD, who will shoot people for pretty much any reason).

      They went around the corner, and crashed into a parked car. That was the end of the chase.

      I would hang them


    96. Lily
      97 | May 2, 2016 7:38 pm

      @ RIX:

      Same here…it was just nuts and that was before Trump was on the scene.


    97. 98 | May 2, 2016 7:38 pm

      @ RIX:

      Jim Hoft is not exactly a paradigm of the truth either. As much as Beck is a Cruz cultist, Jim Hoft is a Trumpkin.

      Honest analysis is dead in 2016.

      Lebanon 2.0, here we come.


    98. lobo91
      99 | May 2, 2016 7:38 pm

      @ RIX:

      Clinton plans to replace coal mines with green energy and technology jobs and use legal action to make sure miners keep their pensions and healthcare if the company they work for goes bankrupt.

      So, she plans to have a bunch of former coal miners retrain somehow to qualify them to work in factories building solar panels and wind turbines? Which will, themselves, go bankrupt after a year or two, of course.

      And after driving the coal companies into bankruptcy, she wants them to continue providing benefits to their former employees? With what?


    99. RIX
      100 | May 2, 2016 7:42 pm

      http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/more-cowbell-with-will-ferrell-on-snl–video–saturday-night-live–nbc/n41046
      @ SNL
      Because every once in a while you have to see this. You know that you do.


    100. Lily
      101 | May 2, 2016 7:43 pm

      @ lobo91:
      Wow…that is most certainly *pre-meditated* and very personal to stab him that many times. They should have thrown the book at her and her
      partners in crime. The one they dropped off at McD’s knew about the what they were going to do and didn’t try to stop it by calling the police or just anyone to stop the killing.


    101. lobo91
      102 | May 2, 2016 7:43 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      @ lobo91:

      yep, that’s death penalty. The poor cop. He probably still has nightmares.

      Unfortunately, Bill Richardson did away with the death penalty while he was governor. And we don’t have life without parole.

      The one I have is the ringleader. She should have gotten life for the murder, as well as another 20 years for the other charges, all consecutive. Instead, they let her plead to 2nd degree murder, and gave her a few more years for the remaining charges. Total was 51 years, with 17 suspended.

      Oh, and I just heard that she’s filing a motion to have her sentence reconsidered, because it was too harsh.


    102. brookly red
      103 | May 2, 2016 7:46 pm

      Lily wrote:

      @ lobo91:
      Wow…that is most certainly *pre-meditated* and very personal to stab him that many times. They should have thrown the book at her and her
      partners in crime. The one they dropped off at McD’s knew about the what they were going to do and didn’t try to stop it by calling the police or just anyone to stop the killing.

      I would make an example out of them


    103. RIX
      104 | May 2, 2016 7:46 pm

      @ lobo91:
      Hillary as usual is dishonest an panders. These guys are not looking for charity , they want their well paying jobs.
      What you you bet that Hillary and Billy Jeff have skin in the game for green energy?


    104. lobo91
      105 | May 2, 2016 7:46 pm

      Huh. Google is your friend.

      I just found a story about the crime from back when it happened.


    105. Lily
      106 | May 2, 2016 7:46 pm

      @ Phantom Ace:
      Hey Ace! Both the spawns of Satan? Oh boy. I can agree with one thing, this nation is so divided that either one is not going to bring back. For sure not Hillary….I am voting against her. You may get your wish in a brokered convention though. Things are rather gnarly.


    106. Iron Fist
      107 | May 2, 2016 7:47 pm

      @ Lily:
      Lob has it right that I think that such people should be kept in prison, if not executed. For example, I would have the death penalty for things like child molestation and rape. The dead have a 0% recidivision rate. Part of the problem is that so many crimes are felony crimes where the perpetrator represents no threat whatsoever to the community. Martha Stewart is the poster girl for that. Does anybody really believe Martha Stewart represents a threat to the community? Yet under current Federal law her civil rights are violated simply because the State can violate them, and they have sold the American people on the State’s right to violate her rights. Really dangerous criminals need to be kept in prison. That involves changing our existing laws. The NRA supported the “Three Strikes” laws, but you wound up with people who were no threat to the community (at least from a violent crime perspective) facing life in prison because they couldn’t stop ducking up. Maybe the reform we need is to go back to treating heinous crimes like they are heinous crimes. I am talking about things like murder, rape, armed robbery, and the like. These crimes are different from, say, trafficking marijuana, or, for that matter, trafficking machineguns like Leland Yee in California. Treat the heinous crimes right, and you don’t have to worry about things like background checks to buy a pistol or rifle. The bad guys will be kept off the streets, which is the best way to handle them.


    107. Lily
      108 | May 2, 2016 7:47 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      @ lobo91:

      yep, that’s death penalty. The poor cop. He probably still has nightmares.

      Especially when he found the dead body in the trunk and realized exactly how dangerous they were!


    108. Lily
      109 | May 2, 2016 7:50 pm

      @ Phantom Ace:
      Ace one can only hope this will not be so. To lose all hope is to give in to something dark in my opinion. I have faith in the United States as a country that to abandon all hope and let it sink like a ship isn’t the way to go. But who knows I have been wrong before but I will never give up hope. Neither should you.


    109. lobo91
    110. Lily
      111 | May 2, 2016 7:53 pm

      @ brookly red:
      This country did away with that a long time ago. She was 18 at the time of the crime and there is a movement to not give 21 and under adult life sentences. To put some of these violent people back out in the public would do a great deal of harm. This is one example of how violent a young person can be.


    111. eaglesoars
      112 | May 2, 2016 7:54 pm

      lobo91 wrote:

      Huh. Google is your friend.

      I just found a story about the crime from back when it happened.

      Ah, I see her plan. She’s not homeless anymore is she?


    112. brookly red
      113 | May 2, 2016 7:54 pm

      Lily wrote:

      @ brookly red:
      This country did away with that a long time ago. She was 18 at the time of the crime and there is a movement to not give 21 and under adult life sentences. To put some of these violent people back out in the public would do a great deal of harm. This is one example of how violent a young person can be.

      shit in NYC she would be out in 3 and a favorite for congress


    113. Lily
      114 | May 2, 2016 7:55 pm

      lobo91 wrote:

      @ RIX:

      Clinton plans to replace coal mines with green energy and technology jobs and use legal action to make sure miners keep their pensions and healthcare if the company they work for goes bankrupt.

      So, she plans to have a bunch of former coal miners retrain somehow to qualify them to work in factories building solar panels and wind turbines? Which will, themselves, go bankrupt after a year or two, of course.

      And after driving the coal companies into bankruptcy, she wants them to continue providing benefits to their former employees? With what?

      Doesn’t make a whole lot of sense now does it? Making a company that Obama drove into the ground pay with money they don’t have is stupid.


    114. Lily
      115 | May 2, 2016 7:56 pm

      @ RIX:

      Gotta take a break sometimes!!!! 🙂


    115. lobo91
      116 | May 2, 2016 7:56 pm

      @ Lily:

      Especially when he found the dead body in the trunk and realized exactly how dangerous they were!

      I found a story that includes dash-cam video of the chase, including the moment when McKee told the cops why she was running from them.


    116. Lily
      117 | May 2, 2016 7:59 pm

      @ lobo91:
      Too harsh? There is a movement and I bet her attorney is jumping on the fact she was 18 when the crime was committed.
      /the state doesn’t have life without parole? There are just some crimes that you can never parole the criminal and frankly the one you just told is one of them.


    117. eaglesoars
      118 | May 2, 2016 8:00 pm

      lobo91 wrote:

      Another story with a few more details

      if he had it coming, fine, she killed him. But the consequences are what they are. If anybody hurts my girls, I’m headed for jail too. But I’m not making excuses for it.


    118. lobo91
      119 | May 2, 2016 8:01 pm

      @ Lily:

      As it stands now, inmates on a life sentence are eligible for a parole hearing after they’ve served 30 years. Most of them aren’t actually released.

      Darci Pierce will be up for her first parole hearing soon. She won’t get out.


    119. lobo91
      120 | May 2, 2016 8:03 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      if he had it coming, fine, she killed him. But the consequences are what they are.

      I’m pretty sure that part of the story was BS. I seriously doubt that he’d done anything to them to justify stabbing him to death.


    120. Lily
      121 | May 2, 2016 8:06 pm

      brookly red wrote:

      Lily wrote:

      @ lobo91:
      Wow…that is most certainly *pre-meditated* and very personal to stab him that many times. They should have thrown the book at her and her
      partners in crime. The one they dropped off at McD’s knew about the what they were going to do and didn’t try to stop it by calling the police or just anyone to stop the killing.

      I would make an example out of them

      They should be made an example of…will it stop the next one?
      One could only hope. That was a horrific crime…not to mention even if they were able to depose of the body…they were in HIS CAR!


    121. Lily
      122 | May 2, 2016 8:06 pm

      RIX wrote:

      @ lobo91:
      Hillary as usual is dishonest an panders. These guys are not looking for charity , they want their well paying jobs.
      What you you bet that Hillary and Billy Jeff have skin in the game for green energy?

      That would be a losing bet.


    122. brookly red
      123 | May 2, 2016 8:07 pm

      Lily wrote:

      brookly red wrote:

      Lily wrote:

      @ lobo91:
      Wow…that is most certainly *pre-meditated* and very personal to stab him that many times. They should have thrown the book at her and her
      partners in crime. The one they dropped off at McD’s knew about the what they were going to do and didn’t try to stop it by calling the police or just anyone to stop the killing.

      I would make an example out of them

      They should be made an example of…will it stop the next one?
      One could only hope. That was a horrific crime…not to mention even if they were able to depose of the body…they were in HIS CAR!

      it discouraged people for since the days of stoning…


    123. Lily
      124 | May 2, 2016 8:08 pm

      @ lobo91:
      They tortured him before killing him…yes it was very personal.


    124. Iron Fist
      125 | May 2, 2016 8:09 pm

      @ RIX:
      In foreign policy I agree, but even national defense is ultimately about the defense of the Liberty of the People. Simply providing for safety is not sufficient. It is far to easy to violate people’s rights in the name of civil safety. That is my point about felons and firearms. Sure, most of the people pushing for these laws have good intentions, but as we all know the Road to Hell is paved with good intentions. Very few people are honest even with themselves that they want to oppress people for the gratification that exercising power brings. I draw the line at the Right to Keep and Bear Arms for many reasons. An armed populace is much more difficult to oppress than a disarmed population. The examples proving this beyond all doubt are many.

      There is a reason that the Second Amendment is positioned where it is in the Bill of Rights. The First Amendment are the most important rights that are recognized (not granted, recognized) by the Bill of Rights. The Second Amendment guarantees the ability of the populace to defend those rights. If you read James Madison in Federalist 46 he is pretty explicit about it. Here’s the quote:

      Those who are best acquainted with the last successful resistance of this country against the British arms, will be most inclined to deny the possibility of it. Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of. Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.

      Those who deny that the Second Amendment is there to allow the people to fight the Federal government if it becomes necessary are either willfully ignorant, or simply do not care about the facts of the matter. Either way, they are wrong. The Second Amendment has been called the “Liberty Teeth” in the Bill of Rights. It is not a minor right, or somehow obsolete. I think more civic damage is done by allowing the State to abridge this right, no matter how well-intioned that abridgment is, than allowing unrestricted access to firearms. After all, which is the safer society, Chicago, with strict gun control, or Tennessee, where just about the only laws restricting firearms are Federal laws? I rest my case 🙂


    125. eaglesoars
      126 | May 2, 2016 8:12 pm

      lobo91 wrote:

      I’m pretty sure that part of the story was BS. I seriously doubt that he’d done anything to them to justify stabbing him to death.

      Well, you’re going to have a lot of time to get to know the little charmer.


    126. Lily
      127 | May 2, 2016 8:13 pm

      @ Iron Fist:
      I agree you need to treat heinous crimes like heinous crimes. Martha Stewart isn’t a threat….and like you said the three strikes your out didn’t work well at all…it caught people up that didn’t need to spend their life in jail. But you would assume spending even some time in prison you would think and clean up your act. This just isn’t so. It just doesn’t happen that way…for a few sure…but a lot no.


    127. Lily
      128 | May 2, 2016 8:15 pm

      @ brookly red:
      Probably so.


    128. Lily
      129 | May 2, 2016 8:20 pm

      @ lobo91:

      Well I know why she took the plea deal. It’s on camera. Those charges shouldn’t have been dropped.


    129. brookly red
      130 | May 2, 2016 8:20 pm

      Lily wrote:

      @ Iron Fist:
      I agree you need to treat heinous crimes like heinous crimes. Martha Stewart isn’t a threat….and like you said the three strikes your out didn’t work well at all…it caught people up that didn’t need to spend their life in jail. But you would assume spending even some time in prison you would think and clean up your act. This just isn’t so. It just doesn’t happen that way…for a few sure…but a lot no.

      actually that is the root of all this evil… we stopped treating crime as crime. Poof there went the government, there went the border. When we start holding people accountable be they congressmen or street punk then and only then will we able to look to God and say help us.


    130. Lily
      131 | May 2, 2016 8:21 pm

      @ lobo91:

      Well good on that.


    131. Lily
      132 | May 2, 2016 8:22 pm

      @ brookly red:
      True. But in the next state over no one probably even heard of this crime. I haven’t till now.


    132. RIX
      133 | May 2, 2016 8:23 pm

      Phantom Ace wrote:

      @ RIX:

      Jim Hoft is not exactly a paradigm of the truth either. As much as Beck is a Cruz cultist, Jim Hoft is a Trumpkin.

      Honest analysis is dead in 2016.

      Lebanon 2.0, here we come.

      Yeah but Gateway Pundit is a news aggregator. No matter what his perspective is the news is the news.
      Shooting the messenger does not make a lot of sense.


    133. lobo91
      134 | May 2, 2016 8:24 pm

      Lily wrote:

      @ lobo91:

      Well I know why she took the plea deal. It’s on camera. Those charges shouldn’t have been dropped.

      I wasn’t aware of the video before. I knew that she’d told the arresting officer about the body, though. I’ve read his report.

      She was originally charged with first degree murder, and entered a not guilty plea. Her defense was based on a history of abuse as a child.

      They shouldn’t have offered her the plea deal. The case was a no-brainer.


    134. Lily
      135 | May 2, 2016 8:24 pm

      brookly red wrote:

      Lily wrote:

      @ Iron Fist:
      I agree you need to treat heinous crimes like heinous crimes. Martha Stewart isn’t a threat….and like you said the three strikes your out didn’t work well at all…it caught people up that didn’t need to spend their life in jail. But you would assume spending even some time in prison you would think and clean up your act. This just isn’t so. It just doesn’t happen that way…for a few sure…but a lot no.

      actually that is the root of all this evil… we stopped treating crime as crime. Poof there went the government, there went the border. When we start holding people accountable be they congressmen or street punk then and only then will we able to look to God and say help us.

      Well said. There a lot of excuses now for committing crimes.


    135. lobo91
      136 | May 2, 2016 8:26 pm

      Lily wrote:

      @ brookly red:
      True. But in the next state over no one probably even heard of this crime. I haven’t till now.

      I was in the next state over (Colorado) at the time of the crime, and I never heard of it until her file was dropped in my lap.


    136. Lily
      137 | May 2, 2016 8:27 pm

      lobo91 wrote:

      Lily wrote:

      @ lobo91:

      Well I know why she took the plea deal. It’s on camera. Those charges shouldn’t have been dropped.

      I wasn’t aware of the video before. I knew that she’d told the arresting officer about the body, though. I’ve read his report.

      She was originally charged with first degree murder, and entered a not guilty plea. Her defense was based on a history of abuse as a child.

      They shouldn’t have offered her the plea deal. The case was a no-brainer.

      I think the reason they gave her the plea deal even tho a no-brainer…homeless (abused child) prostitute. Didn’t want to take a chance the judge or jury would take this into account and give her less time. (Just a guess).


    137. Lily
      138 | May 2, 2016 8:28 pm

      lobo91 wrote:

      Lily wrote:

      @ brookly red:
      True. But in the next state over no one probably even heard of this crime. I haven’t till now.

      I was in the next state over (Colorado) at the time of the crime, and I never heard of it until her file was dropped in my lap.

      Exactly.


    138. RIX
    139. Lily
      140 | May 2, 2016 8:30 pm

      @ lobo91:

      You know why? It doesn’t look good for the city or state or the MSM just ignored it.
      Even here if the crime isn’t out there it doesn’t get reported in the paper…just a blurp of people who got arrested on page back there.


    140. lobo91
      141 | May 2, 2016 8:36 pm

      @ Lily:

      I guess the third one was charged as a juvenile, because I don’t see her listed in the court records I can access from home.

      We do have the other girl at my facility, though. She’s in a different unit, so I don’t think I’ve ever met her.


    141. Lily
      142 | May 2, 2016 8:37 pm

      @ RIX:

      Good grief! That is about all I can say on this.


    142. Lily
      143 | May 2, 2016 8:39 pm

      @ lobo91:

      The third should be charged just as the others. Maybe she got lucky and is being treated as a juvenile. She didn’t try to stop it when she could have. That is the kicker there and she knew the dead guy was in the trunk of the car.


    143. lobo91
      144 | May 2, 2016 8:39 pm

      Wow. Now I’ve seen everything. An Australian pro-Islam forum used this case as an example of why we need Sharia law.


    144. Lily
      145 | May 2, 2016 8:40 pm

      Suppertime. Later all! 🙂


    145. eaglesoars
      146 | May 2, 2016 8:45 pm

      lobo91 wrote:

      Wow. Now I’ve seen everything. An Australian pro-Islam forum used this case as an example of why we need Sharia law.

      ‘zactly. With Sharia law, they wouldn’t have been able to drive. Problem solved.

      I have work to do. later.


    146. RIX
      147 | May 2, 2016 9:02 pm

      Lily wrote:

      @ RIX:

      Good grief! That is about all I can say on this.

      He has flipped out


    147. Iron Fist
      148 | May 2, 2016 9:02 pm

      @ lobo91:
      Most people haven’t heard of the Christian-Newsom murders. Hell, they didn’t get a hell of a lot of coverage here in Knoxville, and they are quite possibly the most heinous murders ever committed here. I know I’ve never heard of worse, not even the Zoo Man, who was a serial killer who killed a number of hookers back in the 1990s. Of course, there was an explicit racial motivation in the Christian-Newsom murders. If the races had been reversed, there would have been protest marches in the streets here in Knoxville, but when a black person commits a “hate crime” against a white, it gets swept under the rug. I know that from personal experience, having been the victim of a racially motivated hate crime. Of course, in my instance the perpetrators were college athletes, and I know that had a lot to do with why the police dropped the case. If they’d just been four black guys from over in Frenchtown (the poorer area of Tallahassee), the story might very well have been considerably different. But the treatment of the killer in the Christian-Newsom murders makes me doubt it. One of the four of them got the Death Penalty, IIRC, but the other three got lesser sentences. I’d support the death penalty for the four of them no matter what their race, but the only stink that the black community in Knoxville made about the whole thing was when someone put up a sign with four nooses on it. Then the black community was incensed, but at the guy putting the sign up, not the murderers. That was a “hate crime” in the eyes of a vocal minority. I don’t believe in judging anybody on the color of their skin, but when your racial group sell-segregates, and then does shot like that, sometimes that can be challenging. I try to avoid what Bush called the “soft bigotry of low expectations”, something that, again, a vocal minority in the black community took offense at, primarily(IMHO) because they benefit from that soft bigotry.


    148. Iron Fist
      149 | May 2, 2016 9:13 pm

      brookly red wrote:

      actually that is the root of all this evil… we stopped treating crime as crime.

      Exactly! Everybody was equally a “victim”. The victims were, obviously, victims of the perpetrator, but the perpetrator is seen as the “victim” of “society” because his or her life hasn’t been perfect. All part of the Left’s war on civilization. They want the crime rate high because they find it useful. They can then use the high crime rate to scare the voters into accepting things that they otherwise would reject. Gun control is, of course, one of those things, but there are a lot of other things. The militarization of the police, for example, which the Left has been totally complicit with. They then try to play like the police are at war with the civilians, again, as part of their war on civilization. The more arbitrary thit.the law is, the better they like it. That way they can use the law as a weapon against their domestic enemies, the way that they went after Dinesh D’Souza. That was a bullshit charge, and now he is a felon. Another example of someone that the government’s arbitrary law against “felons” owning guns impacts, when nobody in their right mind believes he represents any kind of threat to society.


    149. RIX
      150 | May 2, 2016 9:17 pm

      http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/05/trump-jumps-34-point-lead-california-leftists-mexicans-pummel-trump-supporters-riot-outside-rally/
      @GP
      The left never learns. It was the riots at the 68 Dem Convention in Chicago that elected Nixon.


    150. RIX
      151 | May 2, 2016 9:50 pm

      http://www.weaselzippers.us/269510-meanwhile-at-the-anti-trump-rally-there-is-some-pretty-spectacular-parenting-happening/
      @WZ
      Look the sign that this little girl has. This is not mother of the year.


    151. eaglesoars
      152 | May 2, 2016 10:00 pm

      RIX wrote:

      This is not mother of the year.

      I dunno. Seems the kid spelled everything right.

      I’m waiting for everybody to figure out how to tell Trump he has to make this stop.


    152. Lily
      153 | May 2, 2016 10:08 pm

      @ Iron Fist:
      I have heard of them once you mentioned the crime..talk about evil! That couple was brutally murdered. Terrible.


    153. RIX
      154 | May 2, 2016 10:16 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      RIX wrote:

      This is not mother of the year.

      I dunno. Seems the kid spelled everything right.

      I’m waiting for everybody to figure out how to tell Trump he has to make this stop.

      </blockquote
      O'reiley had a guy on who pretty much said that violence by anti Trump
      protestors is justified because Trump makes them angry.


    154. eaglesoars
      155 | May 2, 2016 10:18 pm

      RIX wrote:

      The left never learns.

      Among its other delusional – not to mention self-serving – premises is that there was no history before them and that what they build will be history’s apogee, no further evolution needed.


    155. eaglesoars
      156 | May 2, 2016 10:19 pm

      RIX wrote:

      O’reiley had a guy on who pretty much said that violence by anti Trump
      protestors is justified because Trump makes them angry.

      Well, he wasted his time on that one. All he had to do was rerun a clip of Juan Williams saying the same thing.


    156. AZfederalist
      157 | May 2, 2016 10:24 pm

      lobo91 wrote:

      McAuliffe has said people who have served their time should be given a second chance.

      So he’s OK with them being able to buy firearms as well, right? They’ve served their time.

      /Somebody probably already said this, just catching up since I just got home.


    157. RIX
      158 | May 2, 2016 10:25 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      RIX wrote:

      O’reiley had a guy on who pretty much said that violence by anti Trump
      protestors is justified because Trump makes them angry.

      Well, he wasted his time on that one. All he had to do was rerun a clip of Juan Williams saying the same thing.

      I don’t think that Trump is engaging in hate speech , although he does say some things that make me cringe.
      But either way hate speech is protected speech.


    158. eaglesoars
      159 | May 2, 2016 10:25 pm

      Iron Fist wrote:

      That was a bullshit charge,

      I’m not so sure about that. He reimbursed 3rd parties for campaign donations they had made at his behest. There are ‘straw donor’ laws in effect to make sure no one contributes more than the legal amount. He said he didn’t know it was illegal, but I never believed him.


    159. RIX
      160 | May 2, 2016 10:27 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      RIX wrote:

      The left never learns.

      Among its other delusional – not to mention self-serving – premises is that there was no history before them and that what they build will be history’s apogee, no further evolution needed.

      That’s true. They are so self absorbed that nothing of any consequence happened before them.


    160. AZfederalist
      161 | May 2, 2016 10:27 pm

      Lily wrote:

      I had a niece who lives in Washington St. being concerned about moving to TX. Because it is conservative.

      You of course told her how awful things are in Texas, right? That there is no way she wants to move there?

      /You really don’t need any more liberals moving to Texas and attempting to turn it into California or Washington


    161. RIX
      162 | May 2, 2016 10:28 pm

      I’m out, good night all.


    162. eaglesoars
      163 | May 2, 2016 10:29 pm

      RIX wrote:

      They are so self absorbed that nothing of any consequence happened before them.

      except slavery and the oppression of wymen


    163. AZfederalist
      164 | May 2, 2016 10:33 pm

      lobo91 wrote:

      we all know that 2/3 of the ones we release will be back, most within the year.

      Wow, the justice system can work that fast?


    164. eaglesoars
      165 | May 2, 2016 10:38 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      RIX wrote:

      They are so self absorbed that nothing of any consequence happened before them.

      except slavery and the oppression of wymen

      oh, and the whole Native American thing, forgot about that one


    165. AZfederalist
      166 | May 2, 2016 10:41 pm

      RIX wrote:

      Coal miners love him. Being destitute is so cool.

      What did they call it? “Funemployment”


    166. Iron Fist
      167 | May 2, 2016 10:47 pm

      @ eaglesoars:
      Maybe so, but I am pretty certain that if you looked you’d find that kind of thing is very selectively prosecuted. IIRC, there was something about a fundraiser with Buddhist nuns during the Clinton Administration doing pretty much the same thing, and nobody was prosecuted there. And then there was Gore making illegal fundraising phone calls from his office. Technical violations of campaign laws, true, but so, too, D’Souza’s offense was a technical thing. I doubt seriously he’d have been prosecuted if he’d done what he did trying to reelect Barack Obama. That is what I meant when I called the charges bullshit. If you are going to have campaign finance laws at all (something that I am of mixed mind about), it is imperative that they be administered evenhandedly. I don’t believe that is what is going on in America today.


    167. lobo91
      168 | May 2, 2016 10:48 pm

      AZfederalist wrote:

      lobo91 wrote:

      we all know that 2/3 of the ones we release will be back, most within the year.

      Wow, the justice system can work that fast?

      We released one about 10 days ago who’s due back on Wednesday.

      Parole violation. She was arrested two days after release.


    168. Iron Fist
      169 | May 2, 2016 10:52 pm

      RIX wrote:

      @ lobo91:
      Coal miners love him. Being destitute is so cool.

      Hey, but now instead of being self-sufficient they will have the option of luxurious welfare benefits. It’ll help if dad and mom will get a divorce, and dad flees the scene never to be heard from again. We all know how being fatherless can do such wonders for a kid’s self-esteem. Then they can introduce the kid to the Joy of Heroin, and they will be cranking out the kind of citizens the Left want in America.. 🙄


    169. Iron Fist
      170 | May 2, 2016 10:53 pm

      @ lobo91:
      stupid Burns


    170. eaglesoars
      171 | May 2, 2016 11:00 pm

      Iron Fist wrote:

      And then there was Gore making illegal fundraising phone calls from his office. Technical violations of campaign laws, true, but so, too, D’Souza’s offense was a technical thing.

      yeah and it was stupid. I forget exactly what they are, but my husband can’t make some fundraising calls from his office either because of some legal restrictions, I believe.


    171. AZfederalist
      172 | May 2, 2016 11:00 pm

      lobo91 wrote:

      I was in the next state over (Colorado) at the time of the crime, and I never heard of it until her file was dropped in my lap.

      The other next state over — nope, didn’t hear anything about it either.

      Of course a gun wasn’t involved, so therefore it wasn’t really a crime that rises to the level of national notoriety


    172. 173 | May 2, 2016 11:31 pm

      @ lobo91:
      They’d have been confined to their homes unless a man was with them, and he’d keep them on a short leash.

      But the biggest threats to women are the lack of free tampons and having any restrictions on abortion


    173. AZfederalist
      174 | May 2, 2016 11:52 pm

      Iron Fist wrote:

      I doubt seriously he’d have been prosecuted if he’d done what he did trying to reelect Barack Obama.

      Yep, what Mark Stein calls a “whimsical government” — laws are enforced at the government’s whim, not with blind justice. Some animals are more equal than other animals.


    174. eaglesoars
      175 | May 3, 2016 7:37 am

      good morning! Steve Doocey is interviewing people in a diner in Indianapolis and asking who they’re voting for. One guy sez “Well, if Romney had kept his mouth shut, but THAT sealed the deal for me. TRUMP”

      heh


    175. coldwarrior
      176 | May 3, 2016 7:52 am

      @ eaglesoars:

      Legendary Notre Dame Coach Lou Holtz Endorses Donald Trump

      its over.

      the golden domers have spoken.


    176. RIX
      177 | May 3, 2016 8:10 am

      coldwarrior wrote:

      @ eaglesoars:

      Legendary Notre Dame Coach Lou Holtz Endorses Donald Trump

      its over.

      the golden domers have spoken.

      Digger Phelps is on board too. With Holtz and Bobby Knight it’s covered.


    177. coldwarrior
      178 | May 3, 2016 8:21 am

      @ RIX:
      trump 43 and rising cruz 32 and falling in IN
      trump 51 and rising cruz 24 and falling in CA

      yeah, picking that evil waste fiorina really helped. that destroyed him in CA where she is very very well known. he would have lost in every state that romney lost as well with er on the ticket. so why pick her? why give her PAC 500,000…something is going on here that aint quite right yinz.

      bragging about stealing delegates hurt him as well. that was a real window into his mind right there.

      ya know what, cruz isnt the smartest guy in the room anymore, i am seeing through that line of bull as well, he’s a typical scum politician. nothing special to see here anymore. all hat and no cattle.


    178. RIX
      179 | May 3, 2016 8:23 am

      http://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2016/05/03/sorry-honolulu-louisiana-to-receive-first-federal-grant-to-resettle-climate-refugees/
      @ Twitchy
      Don’t worry about the economy or ISIS. The Fed government is on the case saving Climate Refugees from Hawaii and Louisiana.


    179. eaglesoars
      180 | May 3, 2016 8:28 am

      RIX wrote:

      Digger Phelps is on board too

      I’ sorry, who? (I’m really not a sports person)


    180. RIX
      181 | May 3, 2016 8:28 am

      @ coldwarrior:
      The “alliance” with Kasich and crowing about it hurt Rafael Jr , people do not like that.
      Carly Fiorina was a stupid stunt. A guy who is mathematically eliminated picks a running mate?
      She is at this point just a bitter woman scorned, who was at about 2% as a candidate.
      Add to that Cruz is so damn annoying.


    181. RIX
      182 | May 3, 2016 8:30 am

      eaglesoars wrote:

      RIX wrote:

      Digger Phelps is on board too

      I’ sorry, who? (I’m really not a sports person)

      Digger was the Notre Dame basketball coach back in the day. He took them to the Final Four.


    182. eaglesoars
      183 | May 3, 2016 8:41 am

      @ RIX:

      Oh ok! I can spell ‘basketball’ anyway!


    183. RIX
      185 | May 3, 2016 8:48 am

      eaglesoars wrote:

      @ RIX:

      Oh ok! I can spell ‘basketball’ anyway!

      Cruz shoots rings. Bad blooper in basketball crazy Indiana.


    184. eaglesoars
      186 | May 3, 2016 8:50 am

      @ RIX:

      Dang! I forgot about that, I coulda made a funny!

      I have to get started, busy day, later.


    185. coldwarrior
      187 | May 3, 2016 8:54 am

      eaglesoars wrote:

      coldwarrior wrote:

      all hat and no cattle.

      and goodie bags!

      On July 19th 2014 Senator Ted Cruz went to McAllen Texas and passed out bags of goodies, treats and toys to illegal aliens as they crossed the border from Mexico.

      well, well, well….and he voted for TPP.

      yep, another ‘c’onservative (inc) ™ (r) . destroy american sovereignty and economy in favor of…well, marx said it best. you cant have a revolution if there is a powerful and wealthy middle class, can you?

      say good night, ted.


    186. eaglesoars
      188 | May 3, 2016 8:57 am

      coldwarrior wrote:

      well, marx said it best.

      I read this somewhere the other day

      The message is socialism

      The goal is Marxism

      The result it totalitarianism


    187. RIX
      189 | May 3, 2016 9:02 am

      http://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2016/05/03/president-hasnt-bothered-to-read-the-28-pages-of-the-911-report-either/
      @ Twitchy
      Obama has not even read the 28 pages in the 9-11 Report. Paul Ryan has not either.


    188. coldwarrior
      190 | May 3, 2016 9:02 am

      eaglesoars wrote:

      coldwarrior wrote:

      well, marx said it best.

      I read this somewhere the other day

      The message is socialism

      The goal is Marxism

      The result it totalitarianism

      a powerful middle class does not need loyalty to political parties nor does it need to be fed an ideology to scare it into voting one way or the other.

      destroy the middle class and you can have sheeple who need to follow you to survive…the dems and the gop are guilty of this


    189. coldwarrior
      191 | May 3, 2016 9:04 am

      RIX wrote:

      http://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2016/05/03/president-hasnt-bothered-to-read-the-28-pages-of-the-911-report-either/
      @ Twitchy
      Obama has not even read the 28 pages in the 9-11 Report. Paul Ryan has not either.

      trump has.

      vindicated, again.


    190. RIX
      192 | May 3, 2016 9:05 am

      coldwarrior wrote:

      RIX wrote:

      http://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2016/05/03/president-hasnt-bothered-to-read-the-28-pages-of-the-911-report-either/
      @ Twitchy
      Obama has not even read the 28 pages in the 9-11 Report. Paul Ryan has not either.

      trump has.

      vindicated, again.

      Yes he is.


    191. RIX
      193 | May 3, 2016 9:27 am

      http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/05/02/gallup-cruz-image-among-republicans-crashes/
      @ Breibart
      Cruz approval ratings among Republicans has dropped in the last month while Trump’s have risen.
      I think that his antics have hurt Cruz, the Kasich alliance, raiding delegates, and naming a VP while
      mathematically eliminated.


    192. Daffy Duck
      194 | May 3, 2016 9:33 am

      coldwarrior wrote:

      RIX wrote:

      http://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2016/05/03/president-hasnt-bothered-to-read-the-28-pages-of-the-911-report-either/
      @ Twitchy
      Obama has not even read the 28 pages in the 9-11 Report. Paul Ryan has not either.

      trump has.

      vindicated, again.

      Link implies that the report is only available to Congresscritters. So, how has Trump read it? (i.e., can I read it?)


    193. lobo91
      195 | May 3, 2016 9:36 am

      @ Daffy Duck:

      Link implies that the report is only available to Congresscritters. So, how has Trump read it? (i.e., can I read it?)

      No, you can’t. And neither can Trump, at least not legally.

      Maybe it was in Hillary’s emails…


    194. Daffy Duck
      196 | May 3, 2016 9:39 am

      @ lobo91:

      “…in Hillary’s emails…” That would be hilarious.


    195. texasam7
      197 | May 3, 2016 9:53 am

      @ RIX:
      Senator Cruz’ campaign is firmly nailed to its perch and pining for the fjords (lovely plumage!).


    196. RIX
      198 | May 3, 2016 10:31 am

      @ Daffy Duck:
      I think that he means that Trump predicted the attack in his book. Not all of the details of course, but substantially correct.


    197. RIX
      199 | May 3, 2016 10:33 am

      texasam7 wrote:

      @ RIX:
      Senator Cruz’ campaign is firmly nailed to its perch and pining for the fjords (lovely plumage!).

      Cruz is kind of like a deceased uncle that keeps showing up for the holidays. Awkward.


    198. RIX
      200 | May 3, 2016 10:38 am

      http://www.weaselzippers.us/269544-nypost-pet-owners-deserve-family-leave-time-too/
      @WZ
      Not from the Onion, paw-ternity leave. Mandy Manners has the money quote in comments.


    199. Daffy Duck
      201 | May 3, 2016 10:53 am

      @ RIX:

      That’s not how I read the exchange between you and cw, but no matter, I now like the scenario inspired by lobo better….

      The Presidential Debates:

      Mr. Trump: “…and as can be gleaned from the ‘secret’ 28-page report, Ms. Clinton continued to support, aide, and abet foreign governments who hate us. They hate us!…”

      Ms. Clinton: “When I’m president, we’ll make sure ‘secret’ data is secret, and we will find out how Mr. Trump obtained classified information.”

      Mr. Trump: “That’s easy, I got it from your ‘secure’ email server. You can’t keep your email safe, how are you going to keep America safe?…”

      / or something like that. 🙂


    200. coldwarrior
      202 | May 3, 2016 11:51 am

      i forgot to put a smiley face after ‘trump has’.

      but seriously, if just about all of the attackers are saudis and there are documented meetings between saudi officials and the terrorists…the terrorists were lowly students with no reason to see ‘princess’ and such..

      yeah, it doesnt take much to make the conclusion


    201. coldwarrior
      203 | May 3, 2016 11:57 am

      i beleive this.

      i feel completely different when i am ouside than when i am stuck indoors for months during winter.

      How sunshine cuts blood pressure – and makes you thinner! New research reveals benefits that AREN’T linked to vitamin D

      Even taking skin-cancer risk into account, scientists say the sun is healthy
      Research indicates it protects us against a wide range of lethal conditions
      Specifically, sun exposure prompts our bodies to produce nitric oxide that helps defend our cardiovascular system

      Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3570267/New-research-reveals-sun-benefits-AREN-T-linked-vitamin-D.html#ixzz47boKvXjf
      Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

      that said…

      FORE!!!

      -later yinz! election results tonight then on to CALI!


    202. eaglesoars
      204 | May 3, 2016 1:38 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      but seriously, if just about all of the attackers are saudis and there are documented meetings between saudi officials and the terrorists…the terrorists were lowly students with no reason to see ‘princess’ and such..

      Here is Paul Sperry on his take about those 28 pages. If you don’t know of Paul Sperry, he’s been investigating terrorist networks for years. He wrote Infiltration: How Muslim Spies and Subversives have Penetrated Washington. The term ‘Wahhabi Corridor’ is from him. It was a shock to me because I actually lived RIGHT THERE.

      Anyway, Sperry sez:

      In fact, much of the information sprang from Brennan’s own files at Langley.

      I’m told the very first page of the redacted chapter quotes an Aug. 2, 2002, CIA memorandum that found “incontrovertible evidence that there is support for these terrorists within the Saudi government.” Brennan was deputy CIA director at the time.


    203. RIX
      205 | May 3, 2016 1:46 pm

      @ Daffy Duck:
      It would be funny.


    204. Daffy Duck
      206 | May 3, 2016 2:58 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      Wow, so the more things change, the more they stay the same. Cannot hardly wait to se what some of Obama’s imported “refugees” try to pull of next year.

      Then, I suppose we get another fedgov “Commission,” and start the process anew.


    205. lobo91
      207 | May 3, 2016 3:12 pm

      Daffy Duck wrote:

      @ eaglesoars:

      Wow, so the more things change, the more they stay the same. Cannot hardly wait to se what some of Obama’s imported “refugees” try to pull of next year.

      Then, I suppose we get another fedgov “Commission,” and start the process anew.

      A commission whose job is to figure out how whatever happens is the fault of Republicans.


    206. Daffy Duck
      208 | May 3, 2016 3:38 pm

      @ lobo91:

      Yeah, that, and the need for more fedgov agencies to “prevent it from happening again,” and the obligatory tax increases to pay for said agencies.

      “The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy.”


    207. Lily
      209 | May 3, 2016 4:45 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      It appears there is a clear link to the Saudi’s and they are trying to back-peddled by saying it was nothing more than heresy. Why all the redacted information then?
      /not to mention just downloaded the book to my kindle. Obama has made this situation much worse by allowing the Muslim Brotherhood access to the White House. No telling what is in store for the next president.
      Obama has coddled and associated with too many terrorist groups.


    208. Lily
      210 | May 3, 2016 4:47 pm

      Daffy Duck wrote:

      @ lobo91:

      Yeah, that, and the need for more fedgov agencies to “prevent it from happening again,” and the obligatory tax increases to pay for said agencies.

      “The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy.”

      Obama has basically made things more dangerous for our future concerning terrorists.


    209. Iron Fist
      211 | May 3, 2016 5:04 pm

      Daffy Duck wrote:

      “The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy.”

      I love that quote! That is exactly what has been going on with Fedzilla not only for my lifetime, but reallay since FDR’s first term. Even Reagan, as great a President as he was, only slowed the pace at which government grew, and GHWBush took the resistance to out-of-control spending out of the government. The Republicans again slowed the growth rate for Fedzilla when they took the House and Senate, but fastforward ten years, and they were spending like drunken Democrats.


    210. coldwarrior
      212 | May 3, 2016 5:31 pm

      Cruz: Trump is an ‘utterly amoral’ bully, narcissist, pathological liar

      ahem.

      FUCK YOU RAFAEL! and take your snake handlin’ scumbag dad and that traveling fake tent-revival road show with ya.

      back to your regular programming:

      someone sounds pretty desperate, eh rafael?


    211. RIX
      213 | May 3, 2016 5:36 pm

      I had Limbaugh on in the car today. Oh man he is so deep in the Tank for Cruz that he is going to need a step ladder to get out. I know that his brother David is a big Cruz guy but Rush sounds like he wants to have Cruz’s baby.


    212. coldwarrior
      214 | May 3, 2016 5:43 pm

      @ Iron Fist:

      both parties are more interested in the survival of DC and the gravy train than they are about america.


    213. coldwarrior
      215 | May 3, 2016 5:50 pm

      RIX wrote:

      I had Limbaugh on in the car today. Oh man he is so deep in the Tank for Cruz that he is going to need a step ladder to get out. I know that his brother David is a big Cruz guy but Rush sounds like he wants to have Cruz’s baby.

      have ya seen the television news numbers…fox has taken a huge hit in the 25-54 y.o. category.

      ‘c’onservative industries inc ™ (r) aint wining anymore because they havent delivered the promised goods. too bad we all already paid for the delivery…man were we suckers


    214. RIX
      216 | May 3, 2016 6:07 pm

      @ coldwarrior:
      FNC lost the cabal ratings to CNN the night of the Pennsylvaina Primary. That is not supposed to happen , and imo
      it was a because of Megyn Kelly as the host. Her self absorbed shtick is old, and I would say that she lost her war
      with Trump.


    215. Lily
      217 | May 3, 2016 6:11 pm

      @ RIX:

      If all she talks about is anti-Trump this and anti-Trump that..she doesn’t seem to be un-biased in the least, hence the tanking going on.
      Some people say FNC is in the tank for Trump…but I am just not seeing it.


    216. coldwarrior
      218 | May 3, 2016 6:11 pm

      RIX wrote:

      FNC lost the cabal ratings to CNN

      😆

      truth.


    217. Lily
      219 | May 3, 2016 6:12 pm

      @ coldwarrior:

      Tonight will tell the tale on his desperate attempt to win over voters. It probably will not end well for Cruz tonight.


    218. coldwarrior
      220 | May 3, 2016 6:13 pm

      new thread is up


    219. RIX
      221 | May 3, 2016 6:39 pm

      Lily wrote:

      @ RIX:

      If all she talks about is anti-Trump this and anti-Trump that..she doesn’t seem to be un-biased in the least, hence the tanking going on.
      Some people say FNC is in the tank for Trump…but I am just not seeing it.

      There are Trump supporters on FNC like Hannity, Bouling , Geraldo, and a Greta.
      In general though FNC seems really anti-Trump, Megyn Kelly, Krauthammer , Brit Hume,
      Steven Hayes, and Bret Baier, and on and on. Add to that Megyn Kelly had on the snot
      nose crew from NRO that did the anti Trump Manifesto.


    220. RIX
      222 | May 3, 2016 6:40 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      RIX wrote:

      FNC lost the cabal ratings to CNN

      truth.

      They had it coming.


    221. AZfederalist
      223 | May 3, 2016 10:30 pm

      @ RIX:

      .. and Cruz supporters complain that he is in the tank for Trump. He’s not endorsing any of the candidates, just discussing what they’ve said and the implications.


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