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  • A Few Words From Commerce

    by coldwarrior ( 122 Comments › )
    Filed under Economy, Open thread at April 15th, 2017 - 8:50 am

    Pay VERY VERY close attention to who is against this. Note where they get their money, understand at a gut level that this current so called ‘free trade’ system that we have been in over the past 25 years is not what Adam Smith had in mind when he wrote “Weath of Nations”. Mr Smith and Milton Friedman would have never agreed to gut our economy like this.

    So, now we begin to fix it:

    Free and Fair Trade for American Workers and Businesses
    APRIL 13, 2017 AT 4:00 PM ET BY SECRETARY OF COMMERCE WILBUR ROSS
    Secretary of Commerce Wilbur Ross

    The United States is the least protectionist country in the world but has the largest trade deficit, while other countries are highly protectionist and have huge trade surpluses. This cannot continue.

    We can no longer afford to be ignorant or naive in the aggressive global marketplace, and there is no reason why we should be forced to singlehandedly absorb the $500 billion trade surplus of the rest of the world.

    Since inauguration, the Administration and the Department of Commerce have been moving rapidly to institute the vision and policies of President Trump. We are acting to vigorously protect the interests of the United States and to restore the primacy of American workers and businesses.

    This administration will not be taken advantage of or cheated through illegal subsidies and market manipulation, and we are acting aggressively against those countries that mock our trade laws.

    To start, we have brought a new energy to enforcement, working to ensure that all countries play fair and by the agreed-upon rules. We have been executing these trade investigations very rapidly.

    In our short time in office, Commerce has opened investigations into dumping or unfair subsidization of over $1 billion dollars of aluminum and metal imports from China and other countries; progressed in investigating over $14 billion in dumped or illegally subsidized imports of steel, chemicals, and other products into the United States; and issued final determinations and imposed duties on imports of steel and other products valued at over $2 billion, including steel from China.

    We have also begun the process of self-initiating trade cases, which speeds up the process of taking corrective action while allowing the Department of Commerce to shield American businesses from retaliation.

    To further these efforts, the President recently issued two executive orders giving the federal government additional tools to ensure fair treatment of American workers and businesses.

    The first order tasks the Department of Commerce with an omnibus review of our nation’s trade deficit. We are now going through country by country, product by product, to identify and study the sources of America’s trade imbalance. While some of this information is already collected by various government agencies, there has never been such a systematic collection, review, and analysis of the data. As we seek to rebalance our trade relationships, this report will be our go-to resource.

    The second executive order provides another more concrete weapon in the fight against unfair trade practices. I was amazed to hear that the government has failed to collect literally billions of dollars in antidumping and countervailing duties that we impose pursuant trade judgements in favor of American industry. Many importers use straw man companies with little or no assets to import their goods, so that when it comes time to collect the duties, there is nothing to collect.

    It makes no sense to expend the time and resources to get an affirmative ruling if you cannot then take the necessary action to punish and deter bad actors. This will no longer occur, as the President’s second executive order empowers the Department of Homeland Security to require companies to put up collateral in the form of cash, insurance bonds, or letters of credit in order to import goods.

    While we will ensure that there is a full and fair assessment of the facts in all enforcement cases, we intend to act swiftly and harshly to halt any unfair or improper trade practices.

    Commerce is also charged with protecting our national security from those who would harm this country. In executing that mission, our Bureau of Industry and Security (BIS) recently led the federal government in imposing a $1.19 billion dollar fine against Chinese telecommunications manufacturer ZTE, the largest fine ever in an export control case. BIS caught ZTE shamelessly exporting sensitive telecommunications products to both Iran and North Korea.

    Our message is simple – the games are over, and improper treatment of the United States will no longer be tolerated. We will approach future negotiations and actions with a clarity of purpose guiding us as we work to establish both free and fair trade. Unfortunately, NAFTA negotiations cannot begin until Congress accepts our 90-day notification letter in compliance with the Trade Promotion Act. But, under President Trump’s leadership, I have no doubt that we will be successful in rebalancing American trade in favor of American workers and businesses.

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    122 Responses to “A Few Words From Commerce”
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    1. coldwarrior
      1 | April 15, 2017 9:03 am

      THIS is going to be so fun to watch!

      –later yinz—salt mines for me


    2. RIX
      2 | April 15, 2017 9:06 am

      http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/926/article/p2p-93052438/
      @ Chicago Tribune
      GoodvholybWeek Saturday Morning.
      Sorry to go off topic, but this is interesting. The Chicago White Sox make MLB history yesterday.
      Ok, when you are the afterthought twam in a Cubs ton you take what you can get.
      Sox fans are an oppressed minority, I tells ya. Sox it to em!


    3. RIX
      3 | April 15, 2017 9:07 am

      @ RIX:
      Use spell check, it’s your friend.


    4. RIX
      4 | April 15, 2017 9:25 am

      Reading this article Tom Donohoe and his U.S Chamberof Commerce kept going through my mind.
      He is a smarmy creep who gives less tha a dam about Americn jobs. He was vitriolic toward Trump and opposes
      any trade policies that would protect jobs. CW is right, Adam Smith never had this crisp in mind.


    5. eaglesoars
      5 | April 15, 2017 9:46 am

      where is the WTO in this?


    6. 6 | April 15, 2017 10:28 am

      Trump asks for advice on reforming/reorganizing the executive branch. What would you cut? Eliminate? Change?


    7. lobo91
      7 | April 15, 2017 12:48 pm

      Good News! Number Of ISIS Killed By Mother Of All Bombs Rises To 94, Includes Leaders

      Afghan officials said Saturday that 94 militants were killed in a massive U.S. bomb blast targeting Islamic State’s regional affiliate, nearly three times as many as was reported a day earlier.

      Ismail Shinwari, governor of Achin district in the eastern Afghan province of Nangarhar, where the 20,000-pound bomb struck Thursday evening, said there were no reports of civilian casualties.

      The dead included several leaders of the Islamic State affiliate, which is loosely connected to the main militant organization based in Iraq and Syria, Afghan officials said.

      U.S. military officials said the Massive Ordnance Air Blast bomb — dubbed the “mother of all bombs,” the largest non-nuclear weapon ever used in combat — targeted an underground network of caves and tunnels that Islamic State fighters had used for weeks to evade an ongoing operation by U.S. and Afghan forces.


    8. eaglesoars
      8 | April 15, 2017 1:07 pm

      @ lobo91:

      nice if true, but I treat any numbers from these people with a salt lick


    9. eaglesoars
      9 | April 15, 2017 1:08 pm

      Is this important?

      UNITED STATES Successfully Tests New Nuclear Gravity Bomb.

      the US National Nuclear Security Administration announced the successful field test of the modernized gravity nuclear bomb in Nevada.

      The NNSA and the US Air Force completed the first qualification flight test of the B61-12 gravity nuclear bomb on March 14 at the Tonopah Test Range in Nevada, the agency announced on Thursday.


    10. lobo91
      10 | April 15, 2017 1:28 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      Is this important?

      Nothing earth-shattering. Routine test of the latest upgrade of the B-61, which is the backbone of our air-delivered nuclear arsenal.


    11. eaglesoars
      11 | April 15, 2017 1:32 pm

      @ lobo91:

      Thank you.

      So, wanna talk about rigged elections? This is how Le Pen will lose

      Le Pen Faces Disaster In Election After “Monumental” Computer Error

      half a million people received duplicate polling cards in the post, which would allow them to cast two votes at the first round of the election, held on April 23.

      most French nationals living outside of their country are not right wing – demonstrated by the fact many feel they depend on the European Union (EU) to guarantee their stay in foreign countries.

      Voting twice is a crime, but police will only find out if they run a check on the individual through their computer systems.

      France’s Interior Ministry has said it will not be invalidating the election because of the duplicate voting glitch.


    12. lobo91
      12 | April 15, 2017 1:35 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      In May 2010 the National Nuclear Security Administration asked Congress for $40 million to redesign the bomb to enable the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II to carry the weapon internally by 2017.[26] This version is designated Mod 12.[27] The four hundred B61-12 bombs will be used by both tactical aircraft (such as the F-35) and strategic aircraft (such as the B-2) and the Tail Subassembly (TSA) will give them Joint Direct Attack Munition levels of accuracy, allowing the fifty kiloton warhead to have strategic effects from all carrying aircraft.[28] However, refitting the 400 weapons is now expected to cost over $10 billion.[29] The B61 Mod 12 tail assembly contract was awarded to Boeing on November 27, 2012 for $178 million.[30] Boeing will use their experience with the Joint Direct Attack Munition to yield JDAM equivalent accuracy in a nuclear bomb.[31] This contract is only the first part of the billion dollar expense of producing and applying the tail kits, over and above the $10 billion cost to refurbish the warheads.[32] The B61-12 uses an internal guidance system and can glide to its target. The bomb has four selectable yields: 0.3; 5; 10; and 50 kilotons.[33] On 1 July 2015, the National Nuclear Security Administration (NNSA) conducted the first of three flight tests of the B61-12 tail kit assembly.


    13. eaglesoars
      13 | April 15, 2017 1:53 pm

      lobo91 wrote:

      the Tail Subassembly (TSA) will give them Joint Direct Attack Munition levels of accuracy, allowing the fifty kiloton warhead to have strategic effects from all carrying aircraft.

      is that a fancy way of saying we can actually hit the target?


    14. lobo91
      14 | April 15, 2017 2:13 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      is that a fancy way of saying we can actually hit the target?

      To use a Clintonism, “It depends on the meaning of ‘hit the target.'”

      If you look at the history of nuclear weapons development, one thing that stands out is that the trend has been toward smaller, rather than larger, yields over time. That’s the result of increased accuracy in the delivery systems.

      The upper end of the yield spectrum for our deployed (as opposed to experimental) systems was the W-53 warhead used on the Titan II ICBM, with a 9 megaton yield. Officially, it had a CEP of about 1,400 yards (meaning that half the warheads fired would land in a circle of that diameter around the intended target). That’s accurate enough to destroy a major city, but nowhere near good enough to take out a target like a missile silo.

      The Trident D-5, by comparison, has a CEP of 90 meters, and each missile can carry up to 14 independently-targeted warheads, typically 100 kt each (meaning that the Titan warhead was 90 times as powerful).

      The CEP for a JDAM is 30 meters, which is what they expect to achieve with the B-61 mod 12.


    15. lobo91
      15 | April 15, 2017 2:22 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      An interesting article on the topic:

      The Myth of Missile Accuracy

      It’s an open secret that a large part of our (as well as the Soviets’) nuclear deterrent threat was based on bogus statistics during the Cold War. Yes, we were really good at hitting Kawajalien Atoll with missiles fired from Vandenburg on the California coast. We should be. We’ve fired hundreds of missiles over the exact same flight path over the decades. That doesn’t necessarily translate into real-world performance, though.

      Fun fact: Not once was a Minuteman ICBM successfully test-fired from a silo. They tried it several times, and every one of them exploded. They worked fine when launched from an above-ground launch pad at Vandenburg, though.

      We had over 1,000 of them deployed at one time, as the backbone of our deterrent force. Probably never would have hit anything with them, though.


    16. eaglesoars
      16 | April 15, 2017 2:46 pm

      lobo91 wrote:

      They tried it several times, and every one of them exploded. They worked fine when launched from an above-ground launch pad at Vandenburg, though.

      did they ever figure out why? (i’m still reading your link, so if it’s there, just give me a ‘spoiler alert’)


    17. lobo91
      17 | April 15, 2017 2:48 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      did they ever figure out why? (i’m still reading your link, so if it’s there, just give me a ‘spoiler alert’)

      That particular article doesn’t cover it.

      Basically they weren’t stable enough in the initial boost phase out of a silo. The missile bodies tended to hit the sides of the silo.


    18. eaglesoars
      18 | April 15, 2017 2:54 pm

      @ lobo91:

      no wonder they all blew up. So I’m reading your link and seeing $$$$$$ for nothing. Didn’t some rock band do a song by that name?


    19. eaglesoars
      19 | April 15, 2017 3:03 pm

      lobo91 wrote:

      The Myth of Missile Accuracy

      well that was…disheartening.

      wow.


    20. lobo91
      20 | April 15, 2017 3:08 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      The basic problem with them is that they used a “cold launch” system, similar to what’s used with SLBMs. The missile is ejected from the silo by compressed gas. and the main engine only fires once it’s clear (with SLBMs, it fires when the missile clears the ocean’s surface).

      This is a Trident D-5 being launched from a submerged SSBN. Watch how it moves as it clears the water. Then imagine what would happen if the same missile was in a concrete tube, rather than water:


    21. eaglesoars
      21 | April 15, 2017 3:16 pm

      lobo91 wrote:

      Then imagine what would happen if the same missile was in a concrete tube, rather than water:

      physics is a bitch

      My dad flew a B26 during the war. He said ‘bombing accuracy’ was a joke, altho the Norden bomb site improved things considerably


    22. lobo91
      22 | April 15, 2017 3:22 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      physics is a bitch

      My dad flew a B26 during the war. He said ‘bombing accuracy’ was a joke, altho the Norden bomb site improved things considerably

      Really, up until the development of the current generation of JDAMs and similar guided bombs, it hadn’t changed that much.

      Even the “smart bombs” used during Desert Storm weren’t that great. Yeah, they showed some amazing footage on TV of bombs going through windows and stuff, but what they didn’t show was the other 9 that completely missed the target.


    23. eaglesoars
      23 | April 15, 2017 3:26 pm

      lobo91 wrote:

      but what they didn’t show was the other 9 that completely missed the target.

      well, to be fair, during Desert Storm, whatever it hit we decided WAS the target. We were all a little pumped.

      And in the You Just Thought of This NOW?? dept we have:

      Pentagon Works To Protect Power Grid Amid Fears Of Attack By North Korea


    24. lobo91
      24 | April 15, 2017 3:30 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      “According to the Congressional EMP Commission, a single warhead delivered by North Korean satellite could blackout the national electric grid and other life-sustaining critical infrastructures for over a year — killing nine of 10 Americans by starvation and societal collapse,” Woolsey recently wrote in an op-ed column for The Hill.

      That’s absolutely true.

      Within a few months, America would look a lot like The Walking Dead, minus the zombies.


    25. eaglesoars
      25 | April 15, 2017 3:33 pm

      We have a mystery in the house today that has Hubby and me shaking our heads.

      6 a.m. Bonnie wakes us up because she’s rooting around blankets on the bed, making an ‘nest’ to get comfortable. I reached over to pet her and calm her down and….she was SOAKING WET. And only on her left side. You could have drawn a line down her back. From the tip of her nose to the tip of her tail. Except for the outside of her ear flap. The inside of the flap was wet, but not the outside. There was no smell, it could have been water. We went all over the house looking for something that spilled, etc. Nothing.

      We have no idea what happened. She hadn’t peed on the bed or anywhere else and as I said, there was no odor. I had to give her a bath today anyway, the shampoo lathered normally, the water ran clear.

      ?????


    26. eaglesoars
      26 | April 15, 2017 3:48 pm

      lobo91 wrote:

      minus the zombies.

      yeah, I’m not sure about that part


    27. lobo91
      27 | April 15, 2017 4:26 pm

      For any Joe Bonamassa fans, here’s a link to a free 12 track album download


    28. Deplorable Idapig
      28 | April 15, 2017 4:37 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      @ lobo91:

      nice if true, but I treat any numbers from these people with a salt lick

      The people who were chased from their homes puts the number that evicted them at around 100. They were glad the we bombed them so they could get their homes back.


    29. eaglesoars
      29 | April 15, 2017 4:39 pm

      lobo91 wrote:

      Within a few months, America would look a lot like The Walking Dead, minus the zombies.

      remember that show The Last Ship? Whatever happened to that? The last episode I saw the doctor was shot on her way to a fancy dinner in the hotel.


    30. Deplorable Idapig
      30 | April 15, 2017 4:49 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Pentagon Works To Protect Power Grid Amid Fears Of Attack By North Korea

      This should have been done decades ago!


    31. RIX
      31 | April 15, 2017 4:59 pm

      @ eaglesoars:
      Hmmm, we always had dogs, and I have never heard of anything like that. Along with the unexplained wetness it sounds like something really had her upset.


    32. RIX
      32 | April 15, 2017 5:13 pm

      Today marks the 4th year anniversary of the Boston Marathon bombing.
      Coincidently we watched the Mark Whalberg film Patriots Day last night. It is a great film with Whalberg, Kevin Bacon
      and John Goodman.
      They told the story vary well with the carnage and the manhunt. There was no lecture about ” peaceful religion ”
      and that BS . The Kevin Bacon’s FBI character made a comment about backlash against Muslims, and he sounded like a fool. Mother Theresa could not watch this movie and not want to reenact the final scene of Braveheart with the Tsarnev brothers.
      It’s on Netflix.


    33. eaglesoars
      33 | April 15, 2017 5:14 pm

      RIX wrote:

      @ eaglesoars:
      Hmmm, we always had dogs, and I have never heard of anything like that. Along with the unexplained wetness it sounds like something really had her upset.

      she wasn’t upset. I thought maybe a mild seizure – there can be a lot of spit – but we were right there, there’s no way we would not have known and she showed no post-ictal signs at all. Perfectly normal. Just. Wet. Gave me kisses, rub my tummy mummy, the whole thing.

      At this point, we’re looking at poltergeists.


    34. eaglesoars
      34 | April 15, 2017 5:15 pm

      RIX wrote:

      It’s on Netflix.

      oh good! thanks.


    35. eaglesoars
      35 | April 15, 2017 5:26 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      RIX wrote:

      It’s on Netflix.

      oh good! thanks.

      nope. not anymore!


    36. Deplorable Bumr50
      36 | April 15, 2017 5:33 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      There was another season after that.


    37. lobo91
      37 | April 15, 2017 5:58 pm

      Deplorable Bumr50 wrote:

      @ eaglesoars:

      There was another season after that.

      And will be another one soon. Season 4 premieres in June


    38. eaglesoars
      38 | April 15, 2017 6:02 pm

      Deplorable Bumr50 wrote:

      @ eaglesoars:

      There was another season after that.

      so what did I miss?


    39. lobo91
      39 | April 15, 2017 6:10 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      so what did I miss?

      China. Also Bridget Regan


    40. RIX
      40 | April 15, 2017 6:11 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      eaglesoars wrote:

      RIX wrote:

      It’s on Netflix.

      oh good! thanks.

      nope. not anymore!

      That’s too bad, we watched it just last night.


    41. RIX
      41 | April 15, 2017 6:12 pm

      @ eaglesoars:
      she wasn’t upset. I thought maybe a mild seizure – there can be a lot of spit – but we were right there, there’s no way we would not have known and she showed no post-ictal signs at all. Perfectly normal. Just. Wet. Gave me kisses, rub my tummy mummy, the whole thing.

      At this point, we’re looking at poltergeists.

      Yup, that’s my guess.


    42. RIX
      42 | April 15, 2017 6:16 pm

      @ eaglesoars:
      Wait no!!!!! not poltergeists. It’s the Russians, they do everything.
      Or it was Trump, Bannon, and Jerod Kusner with Ivanka driving the get away car.


    43. eaglesoars
      43 | April 15, 2017 7:06 pm

      @ RIX:

      wait till I tell the vet.

      I’m off to watch The Celts. This episode is Bodicia. Kick-ass broad.


    44. lobo91
      45 | April 15, 2017 7:36 pm

      Lois Lerner Demands Secrecy At Deposition, Blames Death Threats Over IRS Tea Party Targeting…

      Former IRS senior executive Lois G. Lerner told a federal court this week that she faces the possibility of death threats if her role in the tax agency’s tea party-targeting becomes public, and asked a judge to forever seal her upcoming deposition in a class-action lawsuit brought by hundreds of groups that were targeted.

      Mr. Lerner and Holly Paz, another figure from the IRS tea party targeting, told the judge they’ve already faced “harassment and death threats” before, and said they fear another media firestorm if their version of events from the tea party targeting were to become public.

      The two women said they are willing to testify, but said they could be putting “their lives in serious jeopardy.”

      “Mss. Lerner and Paz have demonstrated that the public dissemination of their deposition testimony would expose them and their families to harassment and a credible risk of violence and physical harm,” they said in documents submitted by their lawyer to Judge Michael R. Barrett.

      The two women submitted secret evidence to the judge that they said backed up the death threat claim. They said the threats they’ve already gotten contained “graphic, profane and disturbing language” that they said has caused them embarrassment.

      The groups suing the IRS in the class action lawsuit have objected to the secrecy order, leaving the matter to Judge Barrett to decide.

      Both Ms. Lerner and Ms. Paz are among the IRS figures who’ve been ordered to be deposed in the class action lawsuit. Ms. Paz already gave one deposition in the case in 2015.

      The women want that past deposition and their future testimony to remain hidden from the public and only available to the lawyers involved in the case. They asked that the seal be permanent.


    45. Aussie Infidel
      46 | April 15, 2017 8:39 pm

      @ lobo91:
      94 and growing. They are having trouble counting the multiple smears on the cave walls.

      🙂


    46. Aussie Infidel
      47 | April 15, 2017 8:42 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      @ lobo91:

      Thank you.

      So, wanna talk about rigged elections? This is how Le Pen will lose

      Le Pen Faces Disaster In Election After “Monumental” Computer Error

      half a million people received duplicate polling cards in the post, which would allow them to cast two votes at the first round of the election, held on April 23.

      most French nationals living outside of their country are not right wing – demonstrated by the fact many feel they depend on the European Union (EU) to guarantee their stay in foreign countries.

      Voting twice is a crime, but police will only find out if they run a check on the individual through their computer systems.

      France’s Interior Ministry has said it will not be invalidating the election because of the duplicate voting glitch.

      Arch-bastardary from the socialist left bureaucracy of France. Their mantra is vote often and multiple times. So much for democracy in Europe. They are just later-day soviets.

      SPIT


    47. eaglesoars
      48 | April 15, 2017 8:56 pm

      This is priceless. I’m supposed to be watching the Celts but this is 7 minutes of laugh out loud funny and every word is true.

      The Universal Hot vs Crazy Matrix – a Man’s Guide to Women

      this is your redheads, your strippers, anyone named ‘Tiffany’…


    48. Aussie Infidel
      49 | April 15, 2017 9:21 pm

      The United States is the least protectionist country in the world but has the largest trade deficit, while other countries are highly protectionist and have huge trade surpluses. This cannot continue.

      Ohhh come on . Seriously? You can’t make blanket statements like that and not expect a LOT of pushback. I can agree that there are a huge number of nations who practice rampant protectionist policies and then hypocritically moan about others doing the same thing.

      Australia has had tariff protection in the past but has pretty well stripped it all away. Yet they have been waiting for a decade for the US to come out from behind their tariff walls. Meanwhile the US has has tariff free access to the Aussie marketplace almost from day 1. The Kiwis have been almost totally free of tariff and non-tariff trade restrictions since the mid 1980s total overhaul in trade barriers. 30 years of almost total unilateral exposure to world trade barriers and yet it’s worked pretty well because of market efficiencies and aggressive marketing initiatives.

      So don’t even go there with the canard that the US is one of the least protectionist nation states. It’s just not true. Sure the US has suffered from tariff restrictions, unfair foreign government subsidies and non-tariff walls with its trading partners. But and it’s a massive BUT the US is equally complicit in rigging tariff and especially non-tariff trade restrictions to protect US home market interests.

      Say it isn’t so.

      Complaining about unfair trade practices is fine but don’t you guys dare to suggest that the US is not equally guilty of doing the same thing.

      We won’t even go to the facts where supposed US allies are royally screwed by US mercantile interests and complicit US government , union and mercantile bureaucracies, that erect complex multi faceted barriers to both free and fair trade with the US and those nations who have stripped their own barriers bare 10-30 years ago.

      “The United States is the least protectionist country in the world but has the largest trade deficit, while other countries are highly protectionist and have huge trade surpluses. This cannot continue.

      It’s a damnable lie guys and you have got to own it and stop trotting out those types of falsehoods. Especially when you inflict these calumnies on your ‘friends’!


    49. Deplorable Bumr50
      50 | April 15, 2017 10:51 pm

      @ eaglesoars:
      @ lobo91:

      Yes.

      Sorry for the delayed response!

      I’ve been working 7 day weeks mandatory for the past 4, and that’s supposed to continue until at least May 16 with tomorrow being my ONLY day off. Just getting the ordinary stuff done like laundry, and shaving my head and face.


    50. Deplorable Bumr50
      51 | April 15, 2017 11:03 pm


    51. coldwarrior
      52 | April 15, 2017 11:57 pm

      @ Aussie Infidel:

      there is a cute little trick that gets played on the US, we get our goods whacked with a VAT tax (20-25%) at the dock upon unloading from the boat even though ZERO percent of the goods were ever on the shores of those countries nor were they getting ‘value added’ there. how s it then possible to apply a VAT? because it is a tariff.

      we dont slap on an arbitrary VAT here on imports here even though our ‘partners’ do it to us just about everywhere. oh my! now we are going to fight back against the countries who have screwed us over for decades. ya know what? it’s about time. time to pay the piper.

      sure, its not called and listed as a tariff, its listed as a VAT, slick little maneuver there…its a tariff and just about all of our trading partners do it to us…and that is not free trade when one side is applying a defacto tariff and the other side is not. this charade is ending.

      we have not gone after the dumpers either, that will change too.

      so, have the american restrictions that you cite offset the VAT (tariff) applied to american goods, the currency manipulation, and the subsidized industries who dump in america? given our trade deficit and destroyed economy, the answer is a resounding NO.

      protectionist, indeed! we just got played for 25 years and now its time to stop the game…and now everyone is getting nervous.


    52. coldwarrior
      53 | April 16, 2017 12:02 am

      kim can’t get it up, and when he does, it goes off too early:

      NKOREA MISSILE LAUNCH FAILS
      SHOW OF STRENGTH FIZZLES
      KIM PROJECTILE BLEW UP IMMEDIATELY…


    53. Deplorable Bumr50
      54 | April 16, 2017 12:11 am

      coldwarrior wrote:

      protectionist, indeed! we just got played for 25 years and now its time to stop the game…and now everyone is getting nervous.

      Amen.


    54. lobo91
      55 | April 16, 2017 12:14 am

      At least I wasn’t the only one to have this thought:

      Dwayne Johnson lost out on Jack Reacher role to Tom Cruise

      It has been revealed that Dwayne Johnson auditioned for Jack Reacher but eventually lost out to Tom Cruise.

      Dwayne Johnson, a.k.a. former pro wrestler The Rock, has had quite the career, becoming more and more of a star with each passing year. And it turns out, about ten years ago, the actor had a chance to land his own franchise, with Johnson revealing on Twitter that he lost out on the part of Jack Reacher.

      Responding to a fan’s question about why he didn’t play the role, Johnson tweeted the following:

      Dwayne Johnson‏Verified account @TheRock

      Yup, luv the character. Bout 10yrs ago I went after the role, but Cruise got it. Was great motivation for me to always stay hungry.

      This certainly would have given the film a different look, and he actually matches up more closely than Cruise with the character’s description in the book – with Reacher being a hulking 6 ft 5 – 200lb beast.


    55. Deplorable Bumr50
      56 | April 16, 2017 12:20 am

      @ coldwarrior:
      @ Deplorable Bumr50:

      When wages move, and move in a significant way, I’ll begin to give a fuck about anyone other than those in my own household.

      That sounds rough, but it’s an honest statement.

      If wages DON’T move, all bets are off.

      I have a fear that American business has become so addicted to a set, cheap labor percentage that things are going to get worse before they get better.


    56. Deplorable Bumr50
      57 | April 16, 2017 12:22 am

      @ lobo91:

      I was told to read the books first.


    57. Deplorable Bumr50
      58 | April 16, 2017 12:50 am

      Happy Easter, everyone!!

      Christ is risen.


    58. lobo91
      59 | April 16, 2017 12:56 am

      Deplorable Bumr50 wrote:

      @ lobo91:

      I was told to read the books first.

      The books are good. The movies don’t really follow them that faithfully.

      They’re okay…just not the same.


    59. Aussie Infidel
      60 | April 16, 2017 12:57 am

      coldwarrior wrote:

      @ Aussie Infidel:

      there is a cute little trick that gets played on the US, we get our goods whacked with a VAT tax (20-25%) at the dock upon unloading from the boat even though ZERO percent of the goods were ever on the shores of those countries nor were they getting ‘value added’ there. how s it then possible to apply a VAT? because it is a tariff.

      we dont slap on an arbitrary VAT here on imports here even though our ‘partners’ do it to us just about everywhere. oh my! now we are going to fight back against the countries who have screwed us over for decades. ya know what? it’s about time. time to pay the piper.

      sure, its not called and listed as a tariff, its listed as a VAT, slick little maneuver there…its a tariff and just about all of our trading partners do it to us…and that is not free trade when one side is applying a defacto tariff and the other side is not. this charade is ending.

      we have not gone after the dumpers either, that will change too.

      so, have the american restrictions that you cite offset the VAT (tariff) applied to american goods, the currency manipulation, and the subsidized industries who dump in america? given our trade deficit and destroyed economy, the answer is a resounding NO.

      protectionist, indeed! we just got played for 25 years and now its time to stop the game…and now everyone is getting nervous.

      I can see your concern CW. But the US response is One-Size-Fits-All and that is unfair.

      Typically NZ exports leave the country with ZERO GST (Goods and Services Tax imputed) What the US Government does to those arriving goods at the US dock is the business of the US Customs Authorities and yes they do load NZ goods with import duties.

      When US goods are exported to NZ whether you load them with a US VAT or allow them to leave the US free of tax is again the business of US Authorities, just as it the business of NZ government authorities to load NO GST on NZ exports.

      One would assume that you export goods free from a US based ‘turnover’ (goods and services) tax . When those goods arrive in NZ they are subject to 15% GST (Goods & Services Tax), just the same as any other good or service manufactured in NZ for NZ consumers to use. A fair system that does NOT discriminate between locally manufactured goods or imported goods. Other than that 15% GST there are few to no other import duties payable on US goods entering the NZ Marketplace.

      NZ GST applies across the whole range of goods and services consumed by New Zealanders, whether they originate overseas or whether they originate inside NZ. A ‘level playing field’ if there ever was one. US Manufactured goods and services are in exactly the same boat as NZ manufactured goods and services as far as GST is concerned.

      GST is a government consumption tax pure and simple on ALL Goods and Services. This offsets Income Tax to some extent (a tax on a sliding scale with a maximum of 33% but averages around18-20% for 95% of taxpayers) as well as NZ Company tax (currently at 28%).

      No GST is payable because the Goods and Services are NOT consumed by Kiwis inside NZ so there is no NZ Consumption hence no tax. What the US authorities do when faced with NZ sourced goods arriving at the dock is completely up to US Authorities just as when NZ goods or services arrive at the dock in NZ it is up to NZ authorities to decide whether to charge GST on imported goods to ‘level the playing field’ with NZ manufactured goods and services.

      It’s a Consumption tax that is blind to the origin of the goods manufacture.

      It’s NOT a Tariff, a Levy or a sales impost, on imported goods and services. As US imports are treated no different to locally manufactured goods how is that discriminatory?

      What you guys do to NZ goods and services entering the US are a whole different ‘kettle of fish’ and THAT just stinks because Kiwis and Aussies get lumbered in with a ‘US One Size Fits All’ tariff slap down.

      Please explain how and especially WHY the US used its economic power to impost draconian tariffs, taxes and imposts on Australian exports whilst for a decade forcing Australian consumers to accept US trade imposts on BIG pharma IP that doubled the cost of drugs from US based BIG Pharms companies as well as destroying the Australian film industry by forcing the imposition of feather-bedded US Hollywood union power on formally competitive Aussie film makers? I won’t even go to the almost US 100% tariffs on high quality beef that were placed a decade ago to protect high cost US beef producers from Aussie beef imports that didn’t even compete with US grain fed beef. All Aussie beef are grass fed.

      Glass, don’t, houses, People, stones, throw!

      Indeed !

      The United States is the least protectionist country in the world

      Get a grip mate

      🙂


    60. Aussie Infidel
      61 | April 16, 2017 1:00 am

      Deplorable Bumr50 wrote:

      Happy Easter, everyone!!

      Christ is risen.

      He is risen Indeed!

      🙂


    61. 62 | April 16, 2017 1:08 am

      @ Deplorable Bumr50:
      Yeah, I agree. I’m at a call center for a life insurance company. Third party, so we get lower pay than the in house agents of course. I just got a raise which puts me at just over 14/hour after 6 1/2 years.

      Part of the problem too, though, is that Americans have become addicted to cheap products. When you can buy a pair of jeans made in Honduras or somewhere for $30, or you can buy a pair made in the US for 50-100 or more, it’s a difference.

      To an extent, I can understand what liberals complain about when they say that 50 years ago a single wage earner earned enough to buy a car & a house. You can’t do that today. Costs have gone up a hell of a lot faster than wages have. And while I don’t think it’s the government’s job to set pay, I’d personally have trouble justifying some of the pay differences between top management and your average employee. Of course an executive’s decision means a lot more at stake than how I treat a customer, or if someone’s burger isn’t made right. But I can understand concern when a CEO’s making several hundred times as much before incentives are figured in. And yeah, I think a lot of actors and entertainers are overpaid, too. And it’s still not the government’s business.


    62. 63 | April 16, 2017 1:10 am

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      Deplorable Bumr50 wrote:
      Happy Easter, everyone!!
      Christ is risen.
      He is risen Indeed!

      Amen!


    63. Deplorable Idapig
      64 | April 16, 2017 1:21 am

      Deplorable Bumr50 wrote:

      Happy Easter, everyone!!

      Christ is risen.

      Happy Resurrection Day!


    64. Guggi
      65 | April 16, 2017 7:02 am

      coldwarrior wrote:

      the currency manipulation

      Trump just told us that China is NOT a currency manipulator.


      Happy Easter, everyone!


    65. Deplorable Bumr50
      66 | April 16, 2017 8:22 am

      right_wing2 wrote:

      o an extent, I can understand what liberals complain about when they say that 50 years ago a single wage earner earned enough to buy a car & a house.

      Sorry I fell asleep, but yeah. There IS a problem.

      I got a lot of grief back when the Occupiers had taken over New York, because I agreed with their STATED premise that there is an extremely troubling gap between Wall Street and Main Street. (Not their underlying political agenda, their protest in general, the people who paid for their protest, and certainly not their proposed Marxist solutions)

      Bitching that “Kids just don’t want to work anymore” isn’t cutting it. I’ve seen PLENTY of “kids,” many from rough urban backgrounds who were willing to work hard, only to have their first experience at a full time job be a kick in the nuts for a paycheck that’s right around what they would get from the government if they didn’t work (or less.) I’ve also seen plenty of seasoned workers just hanging on to take retirement tell me that it’s never been this bad in their lifetimes at several different companies.

      I feel that I can safely say that Donald Trump won the Presidency because of this problem. It’s that big.


    66. 67 | April 16, 2017 8:56 am

      @ Deplorable Bumr50:
      Maybe as a party we should focus more on ‘Main Street’. Small & mid-sized businesses. They’re the ones, especially the small business owner, who has more trouble complying with all these regulations because it’s harder for them to absorb the cost.

      The call center I work for has a lot of single moms. I don’t like seeing people working full time & still needing government assistance. I don’t know the solution, other than to have the company stockholders demand some changes. I don’t, and I never will believe that we need to have some bureaucrat up in DC dictating everything that’s done. FDR did a lot of micromanaging of the economy back in the 30’s, and I think it slowed the end of the Depression.


    67. coldwarrior
      68 | April 16, 2017 9:25 am

      @ Aussie Infidel:

      you are arguing from a micro pov, i am arguing from a macro pov.

      therefore we3 are talking past each other.

      my point is that since free trade really started, and that is gatt/nafta/ etc in the mid 90’s american trade deficits and unemployment have ballooned while wages and gdp have dropped while the economy was gutted.

      i can prove this over and over again and have on these pages. therefore, because the destruction of the american economy has been more severe than our major trade partners economies, then america is among the least protectionist countries out there.

      in fact, our major trading partners economies have benefited mightily and directly from our destruction at the altar of free trade making the fact that america is one of the least protectionist countries quatifiable using basic economic indicators across time.

      also, we dont tax goods imported when they hit they hit the dock. other counrties tax ours gst/vat 20-25% the instant that they are off loaded. that is a tarriff becasue those goods are not made there, nor do they require services there other than a truck ride to the store. these goods are taxed well beyond a level that they should be. if i make a wiidget and sent it on a boat to your dock and it gets unloaded and moved 15 miles to a store shelf, the full tariff of a gst/vat is gouging and is absurd because that good has only been there for a few hours and consumed no domestic services or had value added at the level of the tarriff/tax.

      we tax our income at point of sale and it is up to the individual state if they have a sales tax or not.


    68. coldwarrior
      69 | April 16, 2017 9:27 am

      Guggi wrote:

      coldwarrior wrote:

      the currency manipulation

      Trump just told us that China is NOT a currency manipulator.

      Happy Easter, everyone!

      and the chinese have agreed to pressure little kim, refused his coal barges, and moved 2000k troops tot he nork border.

      so far that looks like a good trade…we’ll see what happens in te long run over this.

      and yes, he is risen! Happy Easter All!

      …salt mines for me…


    69. Deplorable Bumr50
      70 | April 16, 2017 10:24 am

      coldwarrior wrote:

      …salt mines for me…

      DOUBLE TIME!!!


    70. Deplorable Bumr50
      71 | April 16, 2017 10:58 am

      TIME Mag: Koch Brothers Helping Illegal Immigrants Get Driver’s Licenses

      WASHINGTON, D.C. – Anti-Trump conservative billionaires Charles and David Koch are helping illegal immigrants in the U.S. obtain driver’s licenses, as well as preparing them for citizenship tests.
      A fluff piece by TIME Magazine spotlights the Koch Brothers’ LIBRE Initiative organization for its work being done to help illegal immigrants while President Trump and Department of Homeland Security (DHS) have successfully increased immigration enforcement.

      “It is chaotic. People are very, very worried about their situation,” says Aguado. “One of the things that has been a positive thing through this stress that people have is that they’re more interested in becoming U.S. citizens. She now spends time volunteering to help her neighbors and strangers alike to figure out their immigration status, get papers in order and, in many cases, start the process of converting their legal status into citizenship.

      The patrons who organize these consultation? The conservative billionaires Charles and David Koch and their deep-pocketed pals who are continuing to spend millions to help promote free-market ideas in Latino communities across the country. Through the Koch network’s LIBRE Initiative, volunteers and advisers are helping immigrants study for drivers’ license exams so they have some form of government ID, others prepare for citizenship tests and still others earn a G.E.D. And it doesn’t matter if they are here legally or not.

      Longtime Koch manager Daniel Garza touted the fact that the organization does not ask immigrants seeking help what their legal status is.

      “We do not ask what anybody’s legal status. To us, that’s irrelevant. We want to help people drive. We let the politicians worry about whether someone is documented or not documented,” Garza told TIME.


    71. RIX
      72 | April 16, 2017 10:58 am

      Of t o Easter Brunch. Happy Easter to all.
      He is Risen!


    72. eaglesoars
      73 | April 16, 2017 11:14 am

      @ Deplorable Bumr50:

      The only venue where you will see the Kochs described as ‘conservative’ is the MSM. They deny it and see themselves as ‘libertarian’. But it’s in the MSMs interest to portray conservatives as divided (which we are but not in the ways that help them)


    73. lobo91
      74 | April 16, 2017 11:33 am

      ISTANBUL (AP) — The Latest on the referendum in Turkey, set to decide whether more power should be concentrated in the hands of the president (all times local):

      6:20 p.m.

      Turkey’s state-run Anadolu news agency says with 57 percent of ballots counted, the “yes” votes are leading with 56.5 percent in a referendum on whether to expand the president’s powers.

      If the “yes” vote prevails in Sunday’s historic referendum, the 18 constitutional changes will replace Turkey’s parliamentary system of government with a presidential one, abolishing the office of the prime minister and granting sweeping executive powers to President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

      Erdogan and his supporters say the “Turkish-style” presidential system would bring stability and prosperity in a country rattled by a coup attempt last year and a series of devastating attacks by the Islamic State group and Kurdish militants.

      Opponents fear the changes will lead to autocratic one-man rule by the 63-year-old Erdogan, who has been accused of repressing rights and freedoms.

      ___


    74. Deplorable Idapig
      75 | April 16, 2017 12:02 pm

      right_wing2 wrote:

      FDR did a lot of micromanaging of the economy back in the 30’s, and I think it slowed the end of the Depression.

      He turned a small recession into the full blown Depression and increased the length of it from a year or so into a the lost decade.

      His best course of action would have been to do nothing and let the economy right itself. His actions are still being dealt with today.


    75. Deplorable Idapig
      76 | April 16, 2017 12:06 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      @ Deplorable Bumr50:

      The only venue where you will see the Kochs described as ‘conservative’ is the MSM. They deny it and see themselves as ‘libertarian’. But it’s in the MSMs interest to portray conservatives as divided (which we are but not in the ways that help them)

      I think it has more to do with their need to have a Soros shield. It’s clear Soros is a financial benefactor of the left. Their schtick is that the right has one as well – the Kochs. It’s a lie, but one that has worked.


    76. Guggi
      77 | April 16, 2017 1:04 pm

      @ lobo91:

      With 99% counted “Yes” is 51,4%

      The Nato member Turkey is now officially an Islamist dictatorship. Voluntary.


    77. eaglesoars
      78 | April 16, 2017 1:35 pm

      Deplorable Idapig wrote:

      I think it has more to do with their need to have a Soros shield.

      Excellent point


    78. Canoe Convoy
      79 | April 16, 2017 3:39 pm

      @ Deplorable Idapig:
      I’m willing to bet that, if we were to read any high school history book currently in use at present, there would be no mention of this. Many young people have their only contact or discussion of national history, in high school. The presentation of only one version of this issue is why it has been thought of this way for so many decades.

      I wonder what our members from Down Under would say about their nation’s experiences during the Depression of the 1930s ?


    79. Deplorable Idapig
      80 | April 16, 2017 4:06 pm

      Canoe Convoy wrote:

      @ Deplorable Idapig:
      I’m willing to bet that, if we were to read any high school history book currently in use at present, there would be no mention of this. Many young people have their only contact or discussion of national history, in high school. The presentation of only one version of this issue is why it has been thought of this way for so many decades.

      I wonder what our members from Down Under would say about their nation’s experiences during the Depression of the 1930s ?

      I was taught in HS that FDR was a savior and saved America after the greedy people on Wall Street bankrupted the country. I continued in the belief until some time later when I saw a program on American and learned that just the opposite occurred. That particular profile was on another president – one of the lesser known ones – like Grover Cleveland. In fact if COULD have been Cleveland who they were speaking about, but I can’t be sure.

      They said he’s generally thought of as an un-noteworthy president except he faced the same economic challenges as FDR, but unlike FDR he left the economy alone to fix itself as he felt it wasn’t governments place to interfere. It wasn’t too much longer after that I began hearing the same from other economists who were saying the same thing. That FDR’s interference turned a minor recession into a major depression – that ultimately engulfed the whole world – and dragged it on for a decade.


    80. 81 | April 16, 2017 4:44 pm

      @ Canoe Convoy:
      Read ‘The Forgotten Man’ by Amity Shlaes.


    81. Deplorable Idapig
      82 | April 16, 2017 5:35 pm

      Easter Brunch tucked away and now it’s tyme for a nap!


    82. Aussie Infidel
      83 | April 16, 2017 7:11 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      @ Aussie Infidel:

      you are arguing from a micro pov, i am arguing from a macro pov.

      therefore we3 are talking past each other.

      my point is that since free trade really started, and that is gatt/nafta/ etc in the mid 90’s american trade deficits and unemployment have ballooned while wages and gdp have dropped while the economy was gutted.

      i can prove this over and over again and have on these pages. therefore, because the destruction of the american economy has been more severe than our major trade partners economies, then america is among the least protectionist countries out there.

      in fact, our major trading partners economies have benefited mightily and directly from our destruction at the altar of free trade making the fact that america is one of the least protectionist countries quatifiable using basic economic indicators across time.

      also, we dont tax goods imported when they hit they hit the dock. other counrties tax ours gst/vat 20-25% the instant that they are off loaded. that is a tarriff becasue those goods are not made there, nor do they require services there other than a truck ride to the store. these goods are taxed well beyond a level that they should be. if i make a wiidget and sent it on a boat to your dock and it gets unloaded and moved 15 miles to a store shelf, the full tariff of a gst/vat is gouging and is absurd because that good has only been there for a few hours and consumed no domestic services or had value added at the level of the tarriff/tax.

      we tax our income at point of sale and it is up to the individual state if they have a sales tax or not.

      OK mate rather then call Goods & Services Tax call the GST tax sales tax.

      Fixed.

      🙂

      It’s a government tax on everything sold in NZ and is totally independent on where it is manufactured. The tax is added to ALL products at cost + GST. There is no discrimination between imports or locally manufactured. If you want to split hairs just call it a sales tax which I guess it is.

      What you WILL NOT see are a bunch of imposts, tariffs, non-tariff barriers to trade and all of the other ‘mechanisms’ that imports to the US face. You rep quoting a group called ‘our major trading partners’ who have broken the US economy. FYI NZ has a microscopic impact on the US market and the US regularly runs trade surpluses with NZ because of the US trade restrictions and levies it places on NZ products that out compete US manufacturers not through unfair subsidies (of which there are zero in NZ) but because we have natural advantages to selected products.

      It pisses Kiwis off when they get roped into a US narrative that bashes ‘importers’ IN GENERAL and claims that they are destroying US jobs. That may be true CW but it’s NOT kiwis and it is they who are being bashed by the US with various trade restrictions even though the US runs trade surpluses with NZ. Don’t get me started on the Australian / US trade situation. Again the US is in surplus and has restrictive trade practices all their own way for the past decade and still whine like a pubescent schoolgirl.The US used its trade and economic power to monster the Aussies for a decade and now when the Aussies are FINALLY about to get parity on trade access back the other way, now Trump looks as if he will stomp on that agreement.

      Doesn’t sound like fair trade to me CW.

      Say is isn’t so mate.


    83. Aussie Infidel
      84 | April 16, 2017 7:20 pm

      @ Deplorable Bumr50:
      The Koch brothers are libertarians on social issues and RINO when it comes to finance. They are out to make ‘squillions’ like all billionaires.

      The only groups that describe the Kochs as conservatives are Progressives who are fine with the Kochs’ liberal social policies but bridle at not getting BIG government with its restrictive fiscal policies.

      The Kochs are liberal RINOS and are part of the deep end of the ‘swamp’.

      They are certainly NOT Conservatives or Traditionalists.


    84. 85 | April 16, 2017 7:48 pm

      So, my brother brought over his wife and kids, we had my beer cooler Sous vide Rib-eye Steaks, Tragedian pasta and Salsa salad. A very nice Easter diner was had by all. I hope each and everyone one of you had as nice an Easter as I did.


    85. Aussie Infidel
      86 | April 16, 2017 7:53 pm

      Deplorable Idapig wrote:

      right_wing2 wrote:

      FDR did a lot of micromanaging of the economy back in the 30’s, and I think it slowed the end of the Depression.

      He turned a small recession into the full blown Depression and increased the length of it from a year or so into a the lost decade.

      His best course of action would have been to do nothing and let the economy right itself. His actions are still being dealt with today.

      100% correct. FDR added another 3 years to the Depression in the US. Europe was coming out by early 1936 the US not so much.


    86. Aussie Infidel
      87 | April 16, 2017 7:56 pm

      @ doriangrey:
      Thanks Dorian. And I do hope that you had a very Happy Easter with you and yours.

      🙂


    87. lobo91
      88 | April 16, 2017 8:00 pm

      @ doriangrey:

      We had maple-glazed rotisserie ham, grilled asparagus, and stuffed mushrooms


    88. Deplorable Idapig
      89 | April 16, 2017 8:06 pm

      doriangrey wrote:

      So, my brother brought over his wife and kids, we had my beer cooler Sous vide Rib-eye Steaks, Tragedian pasta and Salsa salad. A very nice Easter diner was had by all. I hope each and everyone one of you had as nice an Easter as I did.

      Oh I’m so GLAD you had such a wonderful day with your family!

      God Bless you and yours!


    89. Deplorable Bumr50
      91 | April 16, 2017 9:51 pm

      @ right_wing2:

      MSN??

      While I do believe Trump consults with Cohn, I don’t believe any of this claptrap coming from mainstream sources.

      Is there a bit of tension at the White House? Sure. Is it anywhere NEAR the level of what’s being reported? Did Hillary Clinton actually win the election but had it stolen by the Russians?

      I believe this is their new, dedicated effort to separate Trump from his base.

      Convince them he’s “establishment.”

      Trump’s a lot smarter than the entire MSM gives him credit for, so they report things as though he doesn’t have a brain and simply does whatever people tell him to.


    90. eaglesoars
      92 | April 16, 2017 9:59 pm

      doriangrey wrote:

      Tragedian pasta

      ???

      your pasta was a tragedy?


    91. Deplorable Bumr50
      93 | April 16, 2017 10:08 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      Overcooked?


    92. 94 | April 16, 2017 10:35 pm

      @ Deplorable Bumr50:
      The administration at least seems to be a bit chaotic at times. People losing influence already maybe? Or maybe it is just the way things are being presented by the media.


    93. eaglesoars
      95 | April 16, 2017 10:36 pm

      Deplorable Bumr50 wrote:

      @ eaglesoars:

      Overcooked?

      I don’t know. I thinking along the lines of Greek cuisine –


    94. Deplorable Bumr50
      96 | April 16, 2017 10:53 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      I need a gyro.

      I’m holding out for a gyro.

      Nite, all.


    95. Deplorable Bumr50
      97 | April 16, 2017 10:59 pm

      right_wing2 wrote:

      @ Deplorable Bumr50:
      The administration at least seems to be a bit chaotic at times. People losing influence already maybe? Or maybe it is just the way things are being presented by the media.

      I just don’t believe the media.

      I’m absolutely sure that Trump has fostered adversarial relationships, because that’s how he does things, and some of the influence bothers me.

      I’m also sure that there were heated disagreements within the Obama White House that I NEVER heard of.


    96. Aussie Infidel
      98 | April 16, 2017 11:18 pm

      A little ‘light reading for you eagles

      🙂

      Enjoy or something

      http://catholicism.org/ad-rem-no-289.html


    97. eaglesoars
      99 | April 16, 2017 11:26 pm

      @ Aussie Infidel:

      ooo, thank you, looks delectable! brb


    98. eaglesoars
      100 | April 16, 2017 11:35 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      @ Aussie Infidel:

      ooo, thank you, looks delectable! brb

      That the Church seems willing to be this helpless spectator is itself a sign of how far this cultural Marxism, along with other spiritual pathogens, has penetrated even into the very institutions of the Church herself.

      The emphasis on ‘seems’ is in the original. I wonder if he’s exposing his own concerns or expressing his confidence that it really isn’t the case. And I wonder what those ‘other spiritual pathogens’ are.

      It’s good to see, in any case, that people w/in the Church are eyes-wide-open


    99. Aussie Infidel
      101 | April 16, 2017 11:48 pm

      Hi there Eagles. Here is a little something to put the whole shebang in crystal clear perspective.

      http://rorate-caeli.blogspo

      Where will you be on 13 May 2017 for the centenary of Fatima?

      To say that we live in interesting times is somewhat of an understatement.

      🙂

      Hope your Easter was ‘spiffingly’ wonderful

      🙂


    100. Aussie Infidel
      102 | April 16, 2017 11:51 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      eaglesoars wrote:

      @ Aussie Infidel:

      It’s good to see, in any case, that people w/in the Church are eyes-wide-open

      There are a lot of them too but they are vastly outnumbered by other pretty reprehensible types, many wearing the red cardinals’ caps. And if you believe your ‘lying eyes’ one wearing a white cap as well.

      Frank!


    101. eaglesoars
      103 | April 17, 2017 12:08 am

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      Frank!

      I had Frank’s number as soon as he said “wealth not shared is theft”. I thought “Well, there he is, the one the KGB has been working on all these years”


    102. eaglesoars
      104 | April 17, 2017 12:11 am

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      Here is a little something to put the whole shebang in crystal clear perspective.

      link isnt working.

      Anybody here familiar with Ancient Rome back in Nero’s time. Apparently he had a close advisor whose name was – I think – Vigilanus – not sure of the spelling – son of a merchant who became a senator. I can’t google or bing any results on him.


    103. eaglesoars
      105 | April 17, 2017 12:14 am

      eaglesoars wrote:

      link isnt working.

      nevermind..got it


    104. eaglesoars
      106 | April 17, 2017 12:16 am

      And the first truth to remember, if he doesn’t want to deceive himself and the world, is that the attackers in Cairo, like those in Stockholm and London, are not unhinged or psychologically unstable, but bringers of a religious vision going back to the 7th century that has since then been combating Christianity.

      they don’t get it. He’s on the other side, you guys!


    105. Aussie Infidel
      107 | April 17, 2017 12:25 am

      @ eaglesoars:
      Try try again!

      🙂

      This one is a zoozey!

      🙂


    106. Aussie Infidel
      108 | April 17, 2017 12:26 am

      @ eaglesoars:
      Bugger. How come it didn’t send???

      … and try again


    107. Aussie Infidel
      110 | April 17, 2017 12:27 am

      Bingo!


    108. eaglesoars
      111 | April 17, 2017 12:37 am

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      Bingo!

      He gets it.

      May 13. hmmmmm………this is unnerving.


    109. 112 | April 17, 2017 12:41 am

      eaglesoars wrote:

      doriangrey wrote:

      Tragedian pasta

      ???

      your pasta was a tragedy?

      I have no idea where that came from. Mediterranean…


    110. eaglesoars
      113 | April 17, 2017 12:43 am

      @ Aussie Infidel:

      I look at Freerepublic all the time. Somebody is always posting stuff about Amoris Leatitia for months so I knew there was a fight going on, but I didn’t know who the good guys and bad guys were. Rorate Caeli is often linked to but I had no way to evaluate the site, so I never posted anything here. Also, not being Christian, let alone Catholic, who cares what I think about it, I have no ‘standing’. But I DO know that the reach of the Vatican is enormous and there is a very good reason the USSR tried so hard to eliminate John Paul.

      Vladimir Bukovsky why do I know that name.


    111. eaglesoars
      114 | April 17, 2017 12:44 am

      On Monday, 12 December 2016, Russian dissident and activist Vladimir Bukovsky appeared in Crown Court in Cambridge, UK, to face a jury trial for possession of child pornography on his home computer. The files were found by law enforcement officers, who raided his home shortly before Bukovsky was to testify in the inquiry into the murder of his close friend, former Russian secret service officer Alexander Litvinenko, which he did in early 2015.

      That’s why. How terribly convenient


    112. eaglesoars
      115 | April 17, 2017 12:52 am

      cripes it’s 1 in the morning! good nite!


    113. Aussie Infidel
      116 | April 17, 2017 6:12 am

      @ eaglesoars:
      Good night

      🙂

      Remember that there is absolutely nothing to worry about. We’ve already won.

      Half a millennium and we might actually be in the right place and time to get to see the evening of the score


    114. 117 | April 17, 2017 8:00 am

      @ Deplorable Bumr50:
      Yeah, I’m not 100% comfortable with some of the family members having positions.


    115. eaglesoars
      118 | April 17, 2017 8:59 am

      good morning! look at these numbers!

      Buried in an otherwise humdrum jobs report for March was the jaw-dropping pronouncement by the Labor Department that [coal] mining jobs in America were up by 11,000 in March. Since the low point in October 2016 and following years of painful layoffs in the mining industry, the mining sector has added 35,000 jobs.

      There’s no link to the referenced report, so I have no more detail to add. But as noted by someone in the comments, perhaps this will help w/the drug problem in West Virginia. Good article, quick read.


    116. coldwarrior
      119 | April 17, 2017 11:31 am

      new thread


    117. Deplorable Idapig
      120 | April 17, 2017 11:46 am

      right_wing2 wrote:

      @ Deplorable Bumr50:
      Yeah, I’m not 100% comfortable with some of the family members having positions.

      Well, it’s not without precedent. JFK made his brother AG. I don’t think any of the Trump kids are being paid for their “services.” He probably wants some people around him that he absolutely trusts.


    118. Guggi
      121 | April 17, 2017 4:46 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Apparently he had a close advisor whose name was – I think – Vigilanus – not sure of the spelling – son of a merchant who became a senator. I can’t google or bing any results on him.

      Are you sure the name was “Vigellinus” and not “Tigellinus”? But he became prefect and senator.

      Ofonius Tigellinus


    119. Guggi
      122 | April 17, 2017 4:48 pm

      Guggi wrote:

      prefect and senator

      prefect and NOT senator.


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