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  • The Economic Situation in China

    by coldwarrior ( 184 Comments › )
    Filed under China, Debt, Donald Trump, Economy, Open thread at August 6th, 2017 - 11:41 pm

    Trump has economic leverage against China vis-a-vis North Korea, as well on some other econ/trade topics. This article explains why, in great detail, why China is in such economic trouble and might take Australia and Canada down with them.

    Please take your time and read the entire thing. This also was brought forward a zero-hedge here.

    This is terribly detailed and very important info going forward and should be used as background when watching Trump deal with the Chinese. This also begs the questions, how would have a President Hillary proceeded, I won’t bother asking how a President Cruz would have handled this given that he would have been destroyed in the general election. What does the uni-party/CoC/sell-out-America wing of the GoP WISH that Trump would do.

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    184 Responses to “The Economic Situation in China”
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    1. coldwarrior
      1 | August 6, 2017 11:43 pm

      it was a slow evening at work so i had time to really read this article closely.


    2. eaglesoars
      2 | August 7, 2017 12:24 am

      I’m on page 8 and I think I can boil it down.

      Debt


    3. eaglesoars
      3 | August 7, 2017 12:35 am

      financial sector weight in the major Chinese and Hong Kong Indices:
      36% of the Shanghai Composite ; 43% of the CSI 300; 44% of the Hang Seng
      Index. Financials only make up 25 % of the China MSCI Index because 28%
      of that one is crowded out by two tech stocks, Tencent and Alibaba

      each priced
      at a frothy 11x EV/Sales. The indices in our table below that appear cheap on P/E are heavily overweighed in the highly leveraged financial sector. The E in the P/E of Chinese banks and other financials is simply not credible. Neither is the book value

      lmao…whoever said they were credible was lying their ass off

      ok, I’ll read the rest in the morning. So far, except for the actual tech details, almost everyone who pays attention knew this was the case. Yenta mentioned months ago that the Chinese were unloading their Canadian real estate holdings, so you knew contraction of some kind was coming. They were hoarding the cash in reserve currencies.

      Alternate title for this piece – “stupid on steroids” because I find it hard to believe anyone trusted a word these people said. Ever.


    4. rain of lead
      4 | August 7, 2017 6:18 am

      hey cw
      just cross posted this at gab
      I am curious if we get ANY extra hits
      I’ll check back later on tonight


    5. rain of lead
      5 | August 7, 2017 7:17 am

      you’re a hot mess califorina, don’t ever change.

      http://hotair.com/archives/2017/08/06/california-dems-recall-assembly-speaker-insufficiently-liberal/


    6. rain of lead
      6 | August 7, 2017 7:23 am

      well school starts back today
      just waiting on the girl to finish getting ready

      gonna be a tough year for her
      taking all advanced honors classes and one collage course
      AP human geography

      her math teacher last year sucked but her teacher this year is a 20 year veteran so perhaps she will get some better instruction
      this year


    7. 7 | August 7, 2017 8:34 am

      Hmmm, so it turns out the extinction of Neanderthal’s was caused by Europe’s largest super volcano. Not by modern humans or a failure to adapt to changing environmental conditions. They were killed off the same way the Roman’s in Pompeii were.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8PHWKkJong


    8. coldwarrior
      8 | August 7, 2017 9:45 am

      rain of lead wrote:

      well school starts back today

      ours is 22 august…now the twins start too. gonna be quiet around here…


    9. coldwarrior
      9 | August 7, 2017 9:50 am

      @ doriangrey:

      no, the free-range, organic, fair trade, carbon neutral neanderthals were massacred by the evil corporatist, profit-mongers, facking homo sapiens.

      …salt mines


    10. RIX
    11. 11 | August 7, 2017 12:25 pm

      @ rain of lead:
      California, the land of nuts and flakes.


    12. eaglesoars
      12 | August 7, 2017 12:52 pm

      RIX wrote:

      http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/08/dirty-cop-major-scandals-took-place-robert-mueller-fbi-director/
      @ Gateway Pundit
      Muller not so pristine.

      from a comment by ‘idontknow’You missed a huge one!

      Operation Vigilant Eagle, began in 2009, calling patriots and veterans a greater domestic threat than ISIS. It has led to many patriots including myself being placed on the domestic terrorist watch list with no recourse to clear our names.

      Even worse, the DHS fusion centers that combine local, state, and federal law enforcement use those lists as target lists for stalking, leading to multiple cases of rights of law abiding citizens being violated for no reason.

      I have been stalked by feds since 2010, and as recently as a month ago I had an FBI agent call a person I had never met and try to get them to file a personal protection order against me, which would have immediately blocked my 2nd Amendment right to possess weapons, and leaving me open to a SWAT raid.

      My story is only one of hundreds of thousands, if not millions…


    13. 13 | August 7, 2017 1:00 pm

      Meanwhile, Chuck Todd snots at Newt Gingrich when he talks about Mueller using DC Grand Jury:

      http://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2017/08/07/chuck-todd-rejects-cynical-gingrich-concern-about-mueller-grand-jury-cue-instapundit/

      I recommend Chuck Google the words “forum shopping.” Or did he really believe illegals and refugees were landing on the shores of Hawaii? Or why the suits were brought in the 9th Circuit and not in the 5th or the 11th?


    14. 14 | August 7, 2017 1:48 pm

      right_wing2 wrote:

      @ rain of lead:
      California, the land of nuts and flakes.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDvQ77JP8nw


    15. lobo91
      15 | August 7, 2017 2:19 pm

      No Joke: Illinois Just Made Barack Obama’s Birthday An Official State Holiday…

      Former President Barack Obama got a special treat for his birthday this year – his very own holiday.

      Governor Bruce Rauner signed into law Friday a measure to designate Aug. 4 as “Barack Obama Day” across Illinois.

      The newest state holiday will be celebrated each year on the 44th president’s birthday, beginning in 2018.

      The holiday will be “observed throughout the State as a day set apart to honor the 44th President of the United States of America who began his career serving the People of Illinois in both the Illinois State Senate and the United States Senate, and dedicated his life to protecting the rights of Americans and building bridges across communities,” Senate Bill 55 reads.


    16. RIX
      16 | August 7, 2017 2:23 pm

      @ eaglesoars:
      That account is not uncommon. Logic has been turned on its head.


    17. RIX
      17 | August 7, 2017 2:27 pm

      @ lobo91:
      I live in Illinois and I have been racking my brain trying to think of an appropriate celebration for Obamas Birthday.
      I just can’t come up with a damn thing, so I’ll just pass.


    18. 18 | August 7, 2017 2:27 pm

      @ lobo91:
      Sickening


    19. RIX
      19 | August 7, 2017 5:57 pm

      http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2017/08/07/still-losing-viewers-return-nbc-network-pulls-megyn-kellys-show/
      @ Breitbart
      MeAgain giving NBC less than they bargained for.


    20. 20 | August 7, 2017 6:00 pm

      @ lobo91:

      Which means, that like California and it’s absurd “Cesar Chavez Day”, the only people who get the day off will be Municipal and State workers (it’s in summer so the teachers don’t get it off).

      Meanwhile:

      Federal Courts will be open
      The Stock Market will be open
      Mail will be delivered
      Banks will be open
      Businesses will not be given personnel the day off

      So enjoy. It’ll probably have the same effect CC has here – no one will even remember it’s a holiday.


    21. 21 | August 7, 2017 6:09 pm

      RIX wrote:

      http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2017/08/07/still-losing-viewers-return-nbc-network-pulls-megyn-kellys-show/
      @ Breitbart
      MeAgain giving NBC less than they bargained for.

      The plan was to have it run until about the start of the Football season and then resume in February when it ended. They yanked it a couple weeks early.

      Under normal circumstances, you might wonder what the effing network was thinking – did they think Fox viewers and conservatives were going to follow Kelly over to NBC? By the time Kelly left Fox she was one of the most hated on-air personalities there were. What’s odd is that Fox offered her $25M to stay and she went with NBC for $15M, if I recall correctly. Meanwhile, the hope-for audience never materialized.

      I will bet her show does NOT return in February – in fact, considering she has a huge following on MSNBC, it would not surprise me that those idiots at NBC will think Rachel Madcow is now ready for “prime time” on the network, and then give Kelly Madcow’s now-vacant spot at AMessNBC. Yeah, okay, whatever you say. Just rememver that you had to yank Keith the Olberdork off the Sunday Football broadcast because if the game wasn’t all that good, Olberdork turned them off so they changed the channel at halftime and never went back. But if you think people will watch the Madcow, by all means.

      Olberdork is now pretty much reduced to You Tube videos sponsored by Gentlemen’s Quarterly.

      I hope Kelly meets the same fate.


    22. RIX
      22 | August 7, 2017 7:52 pm

      @ Deplorable Barbarian:
      Meygan had a good thing FNC. Even after her planned ambush of Trump at the debate guys like Stirewald had
      pity parties ove Meygan as the victim She complained that Hannity and O’riely “Are not defending me”
      But I think that she left to gain Mainstream acceptance.


    23. eaglesoars
      23 | August 7, 2017 9:04 pm

      @ RIX:

      She’s been very clear that her goal is to be the next Oprah. There’s no room in the Fox culture for a touchy-feely talk show, so she went where there might be some hope. The problem is Oprah’s got game, Megyn got none. The airwaves are full to everybody’s back teeth with personality-challenged vapid blondes.


    24. eaglesoars
      24 | August 7, 2017 9:19 pm

      well. whodda thunk? It turns out that over time – thousands of years – and space – there are 32 symbols common in all the cave art. Not pictures, SYMBOLS

      Here they are


    25. Aussie Infidel
      25 | August 7, 2017 9:35 pm

      The situation in China is pretty close to the mark even from an objective position. Australia and Canada will not be in good places when the Chinese bubble pops. If China is lucky the Yuan / Remimbi will halve in value and there will be a lot of unrest and destabilisation in China. If the worst happens the Yuan will shed 70% in value and there could be breaks in the ‘party’ ranks with the wealthier coastal regions, going it alone, with the rest degenerating into insurrection and the rise in warlordism.

      The Greeks warned us about these coming ‘interesting times’.

      I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see Xi stage a military adventure in the South China Sea in an effort to re-unite China’s population against ‘foreign devils’. China appears to have reached ‘peak work available population’ right now and will suffer worker shortages (I know, I know… unbelievable as it is) until manufacturing automation kicks in . Alas that will require massive investment in foreign technology and China’s foreign exchange reserves are almost empty and down to their final $0.7 – $1.3 hundred billion.


    26. Aussie Infidel
      26 | August 7, 2017 9:38 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      @ RIX:

      She’s been very clear that her goal is to be the next Oprah. There’s no room in the Fox culture for a touchy-feely talk show, so she went where there might be some hope. The problem is Oprah’s got game, Megyn got none. The airwaves are full to everybody’s back teeth with personality-challenged vapid blondes.

      Oprah had melanin on her side. Me-again is a blonde and as such is the ‘enemy’ of all those females with colour in their hair and skins.

      She’ll be dog-tucker in that pit!

      🙂


    27. eaglesoars
      27 | August 7, 2017 9:47 pm

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      Oprah had melanin on her side

      Oprah has a rare gift for connecting to people, melanin has nothing to do with it. Also, she worked her ass off and she’s smart. There are quite a few black women who were successful at the local level but were never able to break out of their home markets. Oprah is ‘every woman’ and has managed to maintain that personna even after the acquisition of enormous wealth. She’s earned every bit of her success. She has managed to transcend black/white. She’s OPRAH


    28. eaglesoars
      28 | August 7, 2017 9:54 pm

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      Alas that will require massive investment in foreign technology

      Bloomberg has an interesting piece

      Meddling in the allocation of finance has ensured that much-needed capital gets gobbled up by the politically connected, not the competitive. Then the government tries to rectify the damage with more government. In an effort to rejuvenate exports, China has unleashed a subsidy-rich industrial program to upgrade its manufacturing called “Made in China 2025.” To help companies expand around the region, the government has cooked up the Belt and Road Initiative, an infrastructure-building scheme that looks to many like a boondoggle.

      gee, where have we seen that before?


    29. eaglesoars
      29 | August 7, 2017 9:59 pm

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see Xi stage a military adventure in the South China Sea in an effort to re-unite China’s population against ‘foreign devils’.

      Quick question: About 10 years ago, I started reading about the male/female demographic imbalance in the Chinese population, along with predictions that if those excess males couldn’t be married off and/or gainfully employed, China was looking at irresistible military adventurism. Is anybody seeing any of that so far?


    30. eaglesoars
      30 | August 7, 2017 10:06 pm

      oh, ffs

      What Lenin’s love of camping and hiking did for nature conservation in Russia

      The NYT actually went there.

      Two words. Aral Sea


    31. eaglesoars
      31 | August 7, 2017 10:15 pm

      Google Fires Viewpoint Diversity Manifesto Author James Damore

      I’ve seen a lot of posts suggesting the lawyers should just start parachuting into Damore’s living room because he’s got a helluva case.

      I don’t think so. Most companies have a stringent process for handling complaints that don’t involve memos made public to the organization and the media. If Damore didn’t avail himself of those channels first, well, the ‘at will’ clause of most employment contracts is going to kick in.


    32. AZfederalist
      32 | August 7, 2017 10:28 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      I don’t think so. Most companies have a stringent process for handling complaints that don’t involve memos made public to the organization and the media. If Damore didn’t avail himself of those channels first, well, the ‘at will’ clause of most employment contracts is going to kick in.

      Need Deplorable Barbarian’s input on this. This is California, so there are a lot of employee-friendly laws that could be an issue. Further, if Damore can show the liberal statements were made public by Google employees without following the stated process, he might have a case.

      Doesn’t really matter, he really demonstrated what his manifesto stated. Alternate viewpoints are not tolerated at Google. … and the vitriol that was directed at him strongly exposed the bias at Google.


    33. eaglesoars
      33 | August 7, 2017 10:46 pm

      @ AZfederalist:

      I haven’t read his memo, but if he’s saying there aren’t more women in tech because women think differently, I’ll second him.

      I spent 30 yrs in the field and I was one of few females. We do think differently, and it would help if we were taught differently. I was 24 yrs old before I finally taught myself algebra It’s not that I’m stupid, it’s that my head works differently.

      But you will find a lot of people in tech w/o a STEM background. They are philosophy or linguistics people. I was one of the philosophy people. There is more than one path but it seems only the STEM path is valued. Which is too bad.


    34. Ma Sands
      34 | August 7, 2017 10:53 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      @ lovely eaglesoars:
      Just now found & got a response from “idapig”. She’s fine, just taking a break from the ‘net. : )


    35. eaglesoars
      35 | August 7, 2017 11:03 pm

      Here’s a piece, quite lucid, about why Google may not have legal grounds to fire the guy. Obviously it was written before the fact, and I have to assume Google has a legal team that reviewed the ramifications/liabilities first.

      ok, nite.


    36. eaglesoars
      36 | August 7, 2017 11:04 pm

      Ma Sands wrote:

      @ eaglesoars:

      @ lovely eaglesoars:
      Just now found & got a response from “idapig”. She’s fine, just taking a break from the ‘net. : )

      oh fantastic! Please DO give her my regards and tell her I’ve been thinking about her.


    37. Ma Sands
      37 | August 7, 2017 11:11 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      I shall. : )


    38. coldwarrior
      38 | August 7, 2017 11:23 pm

      RIX wrote:

      @ lobo91:
      I live in Illinois and I have been racking my brain trying to think of an appropriate celebration for Obamas Birthday.
      I just can’t come up with a damn thing, so I’ll just pass.

      mooch a free game of golf at a private country club, then stiff them for the dinner bill, then go and bitch about the wealthy on TV.


    39. Aussie Infidel
      39 | August 7, 2017 11:54 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see Xi stage a military adventure in the South China Sea in an effort to re-unite China’s population against ‘foreign devils’.

      Quick question: About 10 years ago, I started reading about the male/female demographic imbalance in the Chinese population, along with predictions that if those excess males couldn’t be married off and/or gainfully employed, China was looking at irresistible military adventurism. Is anybody seeing any of that so far?

      That is a very interesting question. China’s ‘inevitable’ demographically generated military adventure has gone through a number of interactions over the past 2 decades. The initial simplistic scenario was that pure demographics on its own, but magnified somewhat by being attached at the hip with One Party State totalitarianism and the natural limits of the Chinese geographic reality would be sufficient to cause a war. Alas that scenario didn’t factor in technological advances especially in communications and weapons effects technologies. Massive armies were just target rich environments that placed a huge logistics burden on China . China was forced to embrace technology and it did. Even now China is in the process of further reducing the size of its army and reorganising and up-skilling what is rapidly becoming a professional defence force.

      A defence force however that has precious little experience in All Arms combat. This is especially so in the more technological arms such as Navy and Air Force.

      The demographic bulge in Males initiated under the One Child Policy that saw the killing of hundreds of millions of female babies over a 40 year period, has has a rather unintended consequence. The 400-500 million of lower middle class Chinese now see more than one child as a burden and a blockage in climbing higher up the wealth ladder. They are refusing to have more than their single child because of economic reasons, and social mobility. Hence the Chinese ‘Maximum Available Worker Demographic’ has been reached about 15 years before it was forecast. It’s happening in 2017 and from here on it’s all down hill for Chinese demographics. The fall will be MUCH more pronounced and precipitous than that of European powers such as Germany and France because of the artificial bulge a lack of female replacements in the breeding years. China is raging demographic is approaching FAST on a percentage basis.

      To answer your question:-
      China has just established its first permanent military base not in Asia but in Africa! It’s also locking in access routes to deliver commodities such as the purchase of the Panama Canal operating company by China. This links the West African suppliers of commodities with China without having to thread the needle in the South China Sea. It also explains the moves by China in Burma that also prevent China being bottles up by Naval blockades. It also explains the New Silk Road program.

      Problem is that China IS BOTTLED UP geographically and can’t really do much about it except on the fringes. China’s logistics problems are not really solved in the West by permanent Chinese bases in East Africa or by a blue water fleet and control of the Panama Canal. It just pushes the problem further away and gives China even greater logistics blockade military deployment support problems.

      Look for trouble at the fringes of China’s deployments and expect a long term Chinese program to hive off a Pacific Island for permanent Military basing to ease its logistics problems in the mid Pacific, with more West African / Panama supply routes.

      Because of the length of its resource supply routes nothing short of Chinese capture of Siberia and ever really sort out Chinese resource problems.


    40. Aussie Infidel
      40 | August 8, 2017 12:03 am

      coldwarrior wrote:

      it was a slow evening at work so i had time to really read this article closely.

      Not a bad article Cold.

      Here is some feedback from a serious leader of industry with plenty of actual runs on the board.

      His projections usually come true.

      🙂

      An interesting paper, (not sure about the last 6 pages of advertising).
       
      My feelings on the Chinese economy were the same a few years ago, however the Chinese have defied the economic fundamentals for some time now.
       
      The paper quotes Michal Pettis a professor of finance at Guanghua School of Management at Peking University as stating:
       
      “………..in a command economy, investment can be driven by factors other than the need to increase productivity, such as boosting employment or local tax revenue. What’s more, loss-making investments can be carried for decades before they’re amortized, and insolvency can be ignored. This means that GDP growth can overstate value creation for decades.”
       
      Which is exactly what has been happening. The opaqueness of the Chinese economy makes it very hard to read. The ‘credit bubble’ has been recognised by astute watchers since 2010 and yet it has persisted.
       
      In summary the conclusions of the paper are probably correct, however the two key questions are:
      When;
      and
      Whether it will be a hard landing as they are predicting, (which of course supports their view of getting ahead of the exit through shorting positions on Chinese assets and investing in gold as the ultimate hedge) or soft, through Chinese government QE, which through complex economic structures and their supposed reserves may be sustainable over a long period.
       
      If we knew the answers to these questions we would all be very wealthy.
       
      Regards
      R


    41. Aussie Infidel
      41 | August 8, 2017 12:11 am

      More Chinese Quantitive Easing (printing more M2 money) is a losing option over the medium term and we are now at that point in the Chinese economic equation. More to the point there are other factors (Trump and NORKs, sanctions, as well as problems in the EU that can trigger Chinese fiscal collapse, outside of pure fiscal concerns. The so called ‘soft landing’ has been in train for 7 years without much real progress being made on the underlying problems of the Chinese economy. This period has been squandered for both regional political reasons and central Party control reasons and makes a hard landing now more probable rather than less.


    42. Aussie Infidel
      42 | August 8, 2017 12:13 am

      When that hard landing happens as it must other economies that depend in Chinese purchases of commodities will be severely effected. Australia, Canada and Germany take note.


    43. Aussie Infidel
      43 | August 8, 2017 12:39 am

      TEL AVIV — White House National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster served at a UK-based think tank financed by a controversial, George Soros-funded group identified by the Obama White House as central in helping to sell the Iran nuclear deal to the public and news media.
      From September 2006 to February 2017, McMaster is listed as a member of International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS), where he served as consulting senior fellow. The IISS describes itself as a “world-leading authority on global security, political risk and military conflict.”

      The IISS has been supportive of the Obama administration-brokered 2015 nuclear accord with Iran, and the group has repeatedly hit back against charges that Tehran has violated the agreement.

      McMaster himself has been accused of purging the National Security Council of hardliners on Iran, and he is seen as a leading proponent of the Iran nuclear accord within the Trump administration. He has reportedly urged the White House to recertify Iran’s compliance with the Iran nuclear deal.

      IISS’s website contains a list of groups, corporations and government entities that provide funding to the think tank, including during the period of McMaster’s work there. Curiously missing from the page of donors, however, is the controversial Ploughshares Fund, a grantmaking group identified last year by the Obama White House as central in helping to market the Iran nuclear deal to the news media.

      An archived version of IISS’s donors page lists Ploughshares as a donor.

      Breitbart News has found that IISS is listed as a grantee for Iran issues in Ploughshares Fund’s budget report for 2016.

      That report spotlights IISS as a grantee for Iran work done by Michael Elleman, IISS senior fellow for missile defense.

      In a recent IISS analysis , Elleman cast doubt on charges that Iran and North Korea are working together on ballistic-missile development, claiming “there is little evidence to indicate the two regimes are engaged in deep missile-related collaboration, or pursuing joint-development programs.”

      Joseph Cirincione, president of Ploughshares Fund, is listed as a member of IISS in his Georgetown University bio .

      IISS has not returned Breitbart News requests seeking clarification on the Ploughshares funding and inquiring about McMaster’s work at IISS, including any salary that he may have received.

      Soros-Funded Ploughshares Part of ‘Echo Chamber’ to Sell Obama’s Iran Deal

      Ploughshares Fund is financed by Soros’ Open Society Institute.

      The involvement of Ploughshares in selling the Iran agreement to the public was revealed in an extensive New York Times Magazine profile of Obama’s former deputy national security adviser, Ben Rhodes, titled, “The Aspiring Novelist Who Became Obama’s Foreign-Policy Guru.” The article contains interviews with Rhodes and scores of top Obama administration officials.

      Robert Malley, then a senior director at the National Security Council, expounded on the genesis and execution of the marketing plan to sell the Iran deal.

      Malley explained to the Times that “experts” were utilized to create an “echo chamber” that disseminated administration claims about Iran to “hundreds of often-clueless reporters” in the news media.

      Times author David Samuels wrote:

      In the spring of last year, legions of arms-control experts began popping up at think tanks and on social media, and then became key sources for hundreds of often-clueless reporters. “We created an echo chamber,” he admitted, when I asked him to explain the onslaught of freshly minted experts cheerleading for the deal. “They were saying things that validated what we had given them to say.”

      Rhodes told Samuels that the marketing strategy took advantage of the “absence of rational discourse” and utilized outside groups, including Ploughshares.

      When I suggested that all this dark metafictional play seemed a bit removed from rational debate over America’s future role in the world, Rhodes nodded. “In the absence of rational discourse, we are going to discourse the [expletive] out of this,” he said. “We had test drives to know who was going to be able to carry our message effectively, and how to use outside groups like Ploughshares, the Iran Project and whomever else. So we knew the tactics that worked.” He is proud of the way he sold the Iran deal. “We drove them crazy,” he said of the deal’s opponents.

      Ploughshares says it has awarded hundreds of grants “whose aggregate value exceeded $60 million.”

      A previous investigation by this reporter showed Ploughshares has partnered with a who’s-who of the radical left, including Code Pink, the pro-Palestinian J Street, United for Peace & Justice, the U.S. Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation and Demos, a progressive economic advisory group where Obama’s controversial former green jobs czar, Van Jones, has served on the board.

      The group says its mission is to support the “smartest minds and most effective organizations to reduce nuclear stockpiles, prevent new nuclear states, and increase global security.”

      Ploughshares is in turn financed by Soros’s Open Society Institute, the Buffett Foundation, the Carnegie Corporation of New York, the Ford Foundation, the Rockefeller Brothers Fund and the Rockefeller Foundation.

      Another Ploughshares donor is the Tides Foundation, which is one of the largest funders of the radical left. Tides is funded by Soros.

      Ploughshares has donated to the Institute for Policy Studies, which calls for massive slashes in the U.S. defense budget.

      It has also financed the International Crisis Group, a small organization that boasts George Soros and his son, Alexander, on its board and where Malley now works as vice president for public policy.

      Ploughshares, McMaster and John Kerry

      Last week, McMaster removed Ezra Cohen-Watnick, a Trump aide and Iran deal opponent, from the National Security Council in what the Jerusalem Post reported was a possible “sweep of Iran hard-liners.”

      The Post reported on two other McMaster purges of Iran hardliners:

      Cohen-Watnick’s removal comes after the revelation by The Atlantic on Wednesday of the dismissal of Rich Higgins, another Iran hawk who was the NSC’s director of strategic planning. Higgins was sacked for circulating a memo in which he alleged that there was a “Maoist” insurgency within and without the government of “globalists and Islamists.”

      Also gone is Derek Harvey, who held the Middle East portfolio at the NSC, and who also was an Iran hawk, and who may assume another role in the administration. McMaster tapped Michael Bell, a retired army colonel who has a conventional career portfolio, to replace Harvey.

      Speaking at a recent event held by Ploughshares Fund, former Secretary of State John Kerry implied that McMaster is the best bet at keeping the nuclear agreement alive, according to a Ploughshares Fund description of the June 5, 2017 event.

      IISS, meanwhile, has supported the Iran nuclear agreement and has defended Tehran against reports it has violated tenets of the deal.

      Last month, IISS featured a piece by Mark Fitzpatrick, chief of the think tank’s non-proliferation and nuclear policy program, titled, “Three strikes against claims that Iran is violating the nuclear accord.”

      The IISS piece argued that “criticism of Iran’s conduct in relation to the 2015 nuclear deal does not withstand scrutiny,” and that the Trump administration’s withdrawal from the agreement “would not convince other parties to re-impose sanctions, but could trigger a global crisis.”

      In June, the IISS’s Fitzpatrick opined that “Critics are wrong: Iran remains in compliance with nuclear accord.”

      An IISS strategic comment paper, titled , “Trump’s erratic Middle East policy,” argued that Trump’s confrontational approach toward Iran is “unlikely to lend needed stability to the region.”


    44. Aussie Infidel
      44 | August 8, 2017 12:43 am

      If it’s so easy to come up with backgrounders on McMaster, how come that Trump staffers can’t do the same and prevent embarrassing appointments from happening?

      WTF are the staffers doing with their time?

      “I may be paranoid but it still doesn’t mean that the bastards aren’t after me!'”

      HEH!

      🙂


    45. Aussie Infidel
      45 | August 8, 2017 1:55 am

      SNOW DUMPED ON WARMING ALARMIST
      Andrew Bolt, Herald Sun
      August 8, 2017 1:02pm
      The gods are laughing at warming extremists.

      Fairfax’s Peter Hanna a week ago:

      Australia’s ski resorts face the prospect of a long downhill run as a warming climate reduces snow depth, cover and duration… A snow retreat has been observed for half a century, with rising temperatures rather than reduced precipitation to blame, according to a major CSIRO-Bureau of Meteorology report.

      Today:

      Victoria’s emergency services is warning skiers and snowboarders of increased risk of avalanches following heavy snowfalls of more than a metre since Thursday.

      🙂

      HEH!


    46. RIX
      46 | August 8, 2017 7:29 am

      coldwarrior wrote:

      RIX wrote:

      @ lobo91:
      I live in Illinois and I have been racking my brain trying to think of an appropriate celebration for Obamas Birthday.
      I just can’t come up with a damn thing, so I’ll just pass.

      mooch a free game of golf at a private country club, then stiff them for the dinner bill, then go and bitch about the wealthy on TV.

      It’s progressive, therefore morally superior.


    47. coldwarrior
      47 | August 8, 2017 3:12 pm

      @ Aussie Infidel:

      AHA!

      so this why trump felt it necessary to mention that mcmaster was pro-israel.


    48. coldwarrior
      48 | August 8, 2017 3:13 pm

      @ Aussie Infidel:

      thx for the china input.

      it is much appreciated


    49. coldwarrior
      49 | August 8, 2017 4:10 pm

      MOAR WINNING!!!!

      U.S. Job Openings Surge to Record in Sign of Robust Labor Demand

      wonder what the nevertrumpers have to say about that and the lower govt debt….and the de-regulation?


    50. eaglesoars
      50 | August 8, 2017 4:56 pm

      @ coldwarrior:

      I REALLY wish they would break that out by industry. Those aggregate numbers hide a lot of info.

      Did you see that the ‘hiring’ numbers dropped? From 5.46 mil to 5.36 mil. I’m not sure what that means because I don’t know WHAT FUCKING INDUSTRY they’re talking about, and no, that one sentence blurb “most industries” doesn’t cut it. As for retail declining, everyone has been citing what they call ‘The Amazon’ effect, i.e., online shopping, which I believe. When Bonnie was too sick for me to leave the house for any length of time, I had our groceries delivered, fer cryin’ out loud. Lifesaver.


    51. Deplorable Bumr50
      51 | August 8, 2017 5:00 pm

      Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell vents about Trump’s ‘excessive expectations’ regarding legislation

      http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/senate-majority-leader-mitch-mcconnell-vents-trumps-excessive/story?id=49093130

      How dare he want them to do the things they promised to do when seeking votes.


    52. eaglesoars
      52 | August 8, 2017 5:04 pm

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      SNOW DUMPED ON WARMING ALARMIST

      So the New York Times went thru this PANIC song-and-dance about a climate report that they said they were helping release early because the authors were afraid the Trump admin would suppress it, as its conclusions did not agree with the admin’s position.

      Well, either the NYT lied or it got punked, because the report has been out for almost a month. And apparently nobody read it because they all thought they were reading something along the lines of samizdat.


    53. eaglesoars
      53 | August 8, 2017 5:09 pm

      Glen Campbell has died.


    54. eaglesoars
      54 | August 8, 2017 5:17 pm

      Gut Punch

      A federal court struck down a key piece of the Obama administration’s climate agenda on Tuesday by saying the Environmental Protection Agency does not have the authority to ban the use of certain chemicals used in air conditioners blamed for exacerbating global warming.

      The EPA enacted the rule in question in 2015, responding to research showing hydroflourocarbons, or HFCs, contribute to climate change.
      []
      “EPA’s novel reading of Section 612 is inconsistent with the statute as written. Section 612 does not require (or give EPA authority to require) manufacturers to replace non-ozonedepleting substances such as HFCs,” said the opinion, written by Judge Brett Kavanaugh.

      yeah, ‘novel’. I just read the other day that someone wrote a piece showing that the EPA falsified not just the study, they falsified the methodology for the study they used to show hydroflourocarbons are a problem.


    55. Aussie Infidel
      55 | August 8, 2017 5:21 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      SNOW DUMPED ON WARMING ALARMIST

      So the New York Times went thru this PANIC song-and-dance about a climate report that they said they were helping release early because the authors were afraid the Trump admin would suppress it, as its conclusions did not agree with the admin’s position.

      Well, either the NYT lied or it got punked, because the report has been out for almost a month. And apparently nobody read it because they all thought they were reading something along the lines of samizdat.

      Today fresh off the pages of the MSM is yet another ‘story’ about ‘Gerbal Worming’. It seems the green socialists are all atwitter, this time about the Aral Sea. The Soviets diverted all of the rivers feeding the inland sea with snow melt waters and not the MSM are blaming Gerbal Worming for the drying up of the Sea. SHEESH ! Give me a break. They claim that higher temperatures have caused the Sea to evaporate. No data about local or global temperature rises are given because these creeps know that for the past 17+ years there has been virtually NONE. They easily sweep away the real reason that the Soviets diverted all of the waters entering the Aral Sea and then blame evaporation.

      Not only are these arseholes liars but they seem to think the folks are idiots as well

      SPIT


    56. Aussie Infidel
      56 | August 8, 2017 5:24 pm

      @ eaglesoars:
      You obviously didn’t get the memo about redistribution of wealth and the starving of industry of energy to break the West.

      You need to remonstrate with the Soros media organs and demand your share of memos so that you can keep up with the memes!

      🙂


    57. Aussie Infidel
      57 | August 8, 2017 5:25 pm

      Got to go chat with the Chinese about toothpaste!

      🙂


    58. coldwarrior
      58 | August 8, 2017 5:30 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      I REALLY wish they would break that out by industry. Those aggregate numbers hide a lot of info.

      if the aggregate was negative for trump they would have published it in the article


    59. coldwarrior
      59 | August 8, 2017 5:31 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Glen Campbell has died.

      brilliant songwriter and musician


    60. eaglesoars
      60 | August 8, 2017 5:32 pm

      Deplorable Bumr50 wrote:

      Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell vents about Trump’s ‘excessive expectations’ regarding legislation

      In Alabama ad war, a race to embrace Trump (and reject McConnell)

      And “Ten Commandments judge” Roy Moore, who has risen in the polls as his opponents have focused elsewhere, is up with a spot that puts the faces of Republican Senate leaders next to those of Democrats such as Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.).

      uh oh


    61. eaglesoars
      61 | August 8, 2017 5:36 pm

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      It seems the green socialists are all atwitter, this time about the Aral Sea. The Soviets diverted all of the rivers feeding the inland sea with snow melt waters and not the MSM are blaming Gerbal Worming for the drying up of the Sea.

      do you have a link please? I have ammo


    62. eaglesoars
      62 | August 8, 2017 5:41 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      if the aggregate was negative for trump they would have published it in the article

      HA! Yeah, I’m waiting for reality to catch up with Bill Kristol and his RESTART – oh, excuse me – ‘The Committee to Not Re-Elect the President’ – buddies. Their agony is going to be delicious


    63. RIX
      63 | August 8, 2017 5:45 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Glen Campbell has died.

      Damn!


    64. coldwarrior
      64 | August 8, 2017 6:37 pm

      RIX wrote:

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Glen Campbell has died.

      Damn!

      dude is a legend.


    65. RIX
      65 | August 8, 2017 6:50 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      RIX wrote:

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Glen Campbell has died.

      Damn!

      dude is a legend.

      No doubt about it.


    66. RIX
      66 | August 8, 2017 6:53 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      MOAR WINNING!!!!

      U.S. Job Openings Surge to Record in Sign of Robust Labor Demand

      wonder what the nevertrumpers have to say about that and the lower govt debt….and the de-regulation?

      They would just say that Ted did it.


    67. coldwarrior
      67 | August 8, 2017 7:04 pm

      RIX wrote:

      They would just say that Ted did it.

      has St Ted the glorious bothered to tell his peeps to knock it off or they wont have a home in the gop…we’re trading coal miners and tradesmen for elitist-pure-CONservatives.


    68. coldwarrior
      68 | August 8, 2017 7:10 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      like i said to flyover before he stomped off and had a hissy fit.

      there will be an accounting at the end of trump’s 8 years. we will tally and see what he managed to do.


    69. coldwarrior
      69 | August 8, 2017 7:15 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      HA! Yeah, I’m waiting for reality to catch up with Bill Kristol

      good luck withg that, he’ll never admit ne’s wrong and if you point it out YOU are an anti-semite and hate israel.

      so there.


    70. RIX
      70 | August 8, 2017 7:24 pm

      That’s the problem, I don’t think he is. At all.

      The Norks just called the bluff of one of the biggests narcissists in the world in one swift stroke, and because he is trigger-happy and runs his mouth too much, Donald just put thousands of American citizens, servicemen and civilians alike, potentially in harm’s way.

      This is by some poster who goes by SodaSaint. He hangs out at one of the Never Trump, I love Ted blogs.
      He certainly does not bother to support the US President in a crises.


    71. RIX
      71 | August 8, 2017 7:27 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      RIX wrote:

      They would just say that Ted did it.

      has St Ted the glorious bothered to tell his peeps to knock it off or they wont have a home in the gop…we’re trading coal miners and tradesmen for elitist-pure-CONservatives.

      Cruz is of course silent. But he is the same guy who refused to urge voting for the party nominee at the Convention.


    72. coldwarrior
      72 | August 8, 2017 7:32 pm

      @ RIX:

      the purge of the gop cant happen fast enough.


    73. coldwarrior
      73 | August 8, 2017 7:32 pm

      RIX wrote:

      Cruz is of course silent. But he is the same guy who refused to urge voting for the party nominee at the Convention.

      i expect nothing less from that fraud.


    74. 74 | August 8, 2017 7:34 pm

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      Not only are these arseholes liars but they seem to think the folks are idiots as well

      Sigh… Yes, those aresholes are liars. One of my pet peeves on this subject has to do with the Ross Ice-shelf, which they continue to insist is melting and calving because of increased temperatures, when reality is that the Ross Ice-shelf sits directly on top of an active and erupting volcanic chain.

      Yes, the ice on the Ross Ice-shelf is melting and the glaciers are calving, because active volcanoes under the Ross Ice-shelf are significantly raising the water temperatures. That’s what happens when 3000 degree plus magma is pumped into the water directly under a ice-shelf, Goebbels Warming has absolutely ZERO to do with it.


    75. RIX
      75 | August 8, 2017 7:34 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      @ RIX:

      the purge of the gop cant happen fast enough.

      It can’t survive intact.


    76. RIX
      76 | August 8, 2017 7:35 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      RIX wrote:

      Cruz is of course silent. But he is the same guy who refused to urge voting for the party nominee at the Convention.

      i expect nothing less from that fraud.

      But he is dramatic.


    77. Possum
      77 | August 8, 2017 7:35 pm

      Sorry to go off topic, but when have I ever been?

      Germinating a seed of an idea at the moment that could turn into some of the funniest shit that our happy band of warriors have ever been involved in.

      Stay tuned, I am going to need help and guidance here.. (And to be honest I am going to have to refrain from drinking while planning this)

      Do not want to post any more about it because we know we are being watched.

      I just posted this so we have a reference as to the time and date the project officially started.

      By the way, how is Little Green Footballs doing? I haven’t been there in a very long time.


    78. coldwarrior
      78 | August 8, 2017 7:37 pm

      Possum wrote:

      I just posted this so we have a reference as to the time and date the project officially started.

      duly noted.

      😆

      i cant wait!


    79. coldwarrior
      79 | August 8, 2017 7:38 pm

      doriangrey wrote:

      That’s what happens when 3000 degree plus magma is pumped into the water directly under a ice-shelf

      physics shmizics.


    80. 80 | August 8, 2017 7:39 pm

      Possum wrote:

      (And to be honest I am going to have to refrain from drinking while planning this)

      Bah… If you have to refrain from drinking before writing something, its probably now worth writing about. Just my 2 cents…


    81. 81 | August 8, 2017 7:40 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      doriangrey wrote:

      That’s what happens when 3000 degree plus magma is pumped into the water directly under a ice-shelf

      physics shmizics.

      I know…


    82. lobo91
      82 | August 8, 2017 7:42 pm

      @ doriangrey:

      That’s what happens when 3000 degree plus magma is pumped into the water directly under a ice-shelf

      Next you’re going to tell us that fire can melt steel…


    83. 83 | August 8, 2017 7:42 pm

      doriangrey wrote:

      Possum wrote:

      (And to be honest I am going to have to refrain from drinking while planning this)

      Bah… If you have to refrain from drinking before writing something, its probably now worth writing about. Just my 2 cents…

      Oops, that’s NOT, not now

      Not worth writing about.

      Clearly I should have had something to drink before hitting submit on that…


    84. lobo91
      84 | August 8, 2017 7:43 pm

      Georgia Professor Lets Business Students Choose Grades to Reduce Stress

      One university professor has proposed a “stress reduction policy” so that his business students can avoid emotional reactions in his classroom.

      According to a report from Campus Reform, Dr. Richard Watson set out the policies – including letting students choose their own grades – for two of his fall business courses at University of Georgia.

      “Emotional reactions to stressful situations can have profound consequences,” he wrote at the top, also explaining that students can take exams using their books, notes and laptop materials.


    85. 85 | August 8, 2017 7:44 pm

      lobo91 wrote:

      @ doriangrey:

      That’s what happens when 3000 degree plus magma is pumped into the water directly under a ice-shelf

      Next you’re going to tell us that fire can melt steel…

      What? Who, me? and risk Magical Jazzy Ponytail banning me from the entire interwebs? again?


    86. lobo91
      86 | August 8, 2017 7:48 pm

      Democratic Representative Flips Out After Army Refuses To Rename Confederate Street Names On Base…

      Democratic Rep. Yvette Clarke is vowing to fight the U.S. Army’s refusal to change streets named after Confederate generals at a New York base.

      The names of the two streets receiving flak from Clarke are Stonewall Jackson Drive and General Lee Avenue, both of which are located at Fort Hamilton and received the names in the first place because Lee and Jackson spent time at the base before the start of the Civil War, The Hill reports.

      So far, the Army has refused to bend to pressure by renaming the streets, earning Clarke’s ire.

      “These monuments are deeply offensive to the hundreds of thousands of Brooklyn residents and members of the armed forces stationed at Fort Hamilton whose ancestors Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson fought to hold in slavery,” Clarke said in statement Monday. “For too many years, the United States has refused to reckon with that history. I commend the city of New Orleans for initiating this important and often difficult work. I will continue to petition the Department of the Army to contribute to that effort.”

      And you know what? The Department of the Army will continue to ignore you…


    87. eaglesoars
      87 | August 8, 2017 7:52 pm

      lobo91 wrote:

      And you know what? The Department of the Army will continue to ignore you…

      until she gets on an appropriatons committee


    88. coldwarrior
      88 | August 8, 2017 7:57 pm

      lobo91 wrote:

      And you know what? The Department of the Army will continue to ignore you…

      😆

      “..what was that? musta been garbled on transmission…”


    89. coldwarrior
      89 | August 8, 2017 7:57 pm

      doriangrey wrote:

      Clearly I should have had something to drink before hitting submit on that…

      indeed.


    90. Possum
      90 | August 8, 2017 8:11 pm

      @ doriangrey:

      Well I just sent an email where one date should have been 2016 and I typed 2017

      The demon drink made me do it.

      Sometimes I have to get my shit together so as I can be accurate. Sometimes I have to let go so I can be creative.

      Creative side of me is creative tonight… The accuracy may have to wait until tomorrow though.

      Accuracy, (sophisticated word for “getting your shit together and getting things CORRECT!) Today I got my shit together and bought a gift of nicotine patches for a very close friend. No not Calo, I have other friends… Accuracy? No way! bought the wrong strength…. Within ten minutes of sticking the patch on her ass she would be in a coma.

      However didn’t take them back and exchange them. They are the correct strength for me. Tomorrow I will get her patches and possibly we can quit smoking together.

      Strange things happen to me in strange ways…


    91. eaglesoars
      91 | August 8, 2017 8:11 pm

      Hey rain!!!!!

      book suggestion for the girl, just put it on my wish list.

      The Mortecarni

      Zombie apocalypse in the Dark Ages.


    92. coldwarrior
      92 | August 8, 2017 8:13 pm

      Possum wrote:

      Strange things happen to me in strange ways…

      yessir! please quit.


    93. 93 | August 8, 2017 8:23 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      Possum wrote:

      Strange things happen to me in strange ways…

      yessir! please quit.

      Or at least quit quitting, nobody likes a quitter… /snark alert…


    94. Possum
      95 | August 8, 2017 8:32 pm

      doriangrey wrote:

      coldwarrior wrote:

      Possum wrote:

      Strange things happen to me in strange ways…

      yessir! please quit.

      Or at least quit quitting, nobody likes a quitter… /snark alert…

      Didn’t ever quit this place! littlegreenfootballs2


    95. 96 | August 8, 2017 9:46 pm

      @ Possum:
      https://youtu.be/M_LQ4_MhDu4


    96. AZfederalist
      97 | August 8, 2017 10:00 pm

      lobo91 wrote:

      Georgia Professor Lets Business Students Choose Grades to Reduce Stress

      One university professor has proposed a “stress reduction policy” so that his business students can avoid emotional reactions in his classroom.

      According to a report from Campus Reform, Dr. Richard Watson set out the policies – including letting students choose their own grades – for two of his fall business courses at University of Georgia.

      “Emotional reactions to stressful situations can have profound consequences,” he wrote at the top, also explaining that students can take exams using their books, notes and laptop materials.

      Because we all know that when you get out into the real world, there is no stress that could cause emotional reactions.


    97. Deplorable Bumr50
      98 | August 8, 2017 10:04 pm

      @ AZfederalist:

      I think I should be able to choose my own wage.


    98. AZfederalist
      99 | August 8, 2017 10:06 pm

      Deplorable Bumr50 wrote:

      @ AZfederalist:

      I think I should be able to choose my own wage.

      I could totally get behind that. After all, what causes more stress than not making enough to be able to pay your bills?


    99. RIX
      100 | August 8, 2017 10:12 pm

      @ Deplorable Bumr50:
      @ AZfederalist:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNxvVuzgS4Y

      This is how they roll.


    100. lobo91
      101 | August 8, 2017 10:13 pm

      @ AZfederalist:

      More brilliance on the education front:

      Virginia School: AP And Honors Classes Will Be Decided By Skin Color, Not Intelligence

      A Virginia high sent a disturbing letter to parents and students announcing they would be selecting students for Advanced Placement and honors classes at least partly based on skin color, a concerned parent told Fox News.

      Martin Luther King, Jr. must be turning over in his grave.[..]

      “Through our collective work, advanced classes such as AP and Honors will have proportional representation,” read the letter. “Proportional representation is 40% White, 35% Hispanic, 12% African American, 10% mixed race.”

      The letter went on to explain that public schools across the country “continue to see outcomes that are disproportionate by race and social class.”

      “American demographic trends indicate that America will be a majority minority nation in the next 25 years,” the letter read. “Therefore, the new work of American public schools is to develop systems to address disparate outcomes.”


    101. eaglesoars
      102 | August 8, 2017 10:17 pm

      Does anybody really think the Norks would do something stupid like attack Guam? I don’t. At the very worst, somebody from China is have a Come-to-Jesus talk w/L’il Kim.


    102. Deplorable Bumr50
      103 | August 8, 2017 10:17 pm

      AZfederalist wrote:

      what causes more stress than not making enough to be able to pay your bills?

      Feeling uncomfortable in the workplace?


    103. lobo91
      104 | August 8, 2017 10:19 pm

      Deplorable Bumr50 wrote:

      AZfederalist wrote:

      what causes more stress than not making enough to be able to pay your bills?

      Feeling uncomfortable in the workplace?

      Not knowing which bathroom to use?


    104. Deplorable Bumr50
      105 | August 8, 2017 10:20 pm

      lobo91 wrote:

      Deplorable Bumr50 wrote:

      AZfederalist wrote:

      what causes more stress than not making enough to be able to pay your bills?

      Feeling uncomfortable in the workplace?

      Not knowing which bathroom to use?

      Pay gap.


    105. RIX
      106 | August 8, 2017 10:25 pm

      @ lobo91:
      I think that the NBA should do the same thing.


    106. Deplorable Bumr50
      107 | August 8, 2017 10:34 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Does anybody really think the Norks would do something stupid like attack Guam?

      John McCain?


    107. eaglesoars
      108 | August 8, 2017 10:36 pm

      @ Deplorable Bumr50:

      oh, yeah, good point.


    108. AZfederalist
      109 | August 8, 2017 10:39 pm

      @ lobo91:

      That’s just shake your head stupid. … as well as the statement about how it is their job to address disparate outcomes.


    109. AZfederalist
      110 | August 8, 2017 10:39 pm

      @ lobo91:

      🙂


    110. RIX
      111 | August 8, 2017 10:40 pm

      @ Deplorable Bumr50:
      @ eaglesoars:
      Over at the Never Trump blogs they are blaming Trump for this, cause wouldn’t happen to Ted.


    111. AZfederalist
      112 | August 8, 2017 10:41 pm

      RIX wrote:

      @ lobo91:
      I think that the NBA should do the same thing.

      It only seems right. After all, not everybody is over 6′ tall, there should be quotas across height distributions.


    112. Deplorable Bumr50
      113 | August 8, 2017 10:43 pm

      @ lobo91:
      @ AZfederalist:

      These idiot school board members didn’t just come up with this out of whole cloth.

      They were GIVEN “data,” talking points, and probably advice on not just this letter but future letters.


    113. eaglesoars
      114 | August 8, 2017 10:44 pm

      RIX wrote:

      @ Deplorable Bumr50:
      @ eaglesoars:
      Over at the Never Trump blogs they are blaming Trump for this, cause wouldn’t happen to Ted.

      who cares. They’ve neutered themselves.


    114. eaglesoars
      115 | August 8, 2017 10:47 pm

      Oliver North is talking about deploying long-range bombers to Guam but why would you station them in a target area? Sounds like the Phillipines during the Pearl Harbor attack


    115. eaglesoars
      116 | August 8, 2017 10:56 pm

      another question. Why did we think this missile capability was a few years out and all of a sudden we find out it’s a done deal? Or did Iran have something to do with this? It’s all well and good to ‘punish’ China but that ain’t gonna turn MY lights back on if that little psycho bitch decides to go all Big Swinging Dick on D.C.


    116. eaglesoars
      117 | August 8, 2017 11:02 pm

      sweet dreams everybody, bed time.


    117. 118 | August 8, 2017 11:12 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      … if that little psycho bitch decides to go all Big Swinging Dick on D.C.

      Heh.

      Any missile(s) launched intending to go splodey on us or any of our allies (and that includes China in this matter) will be intercepted and destroyed before it hits the target, and his country will cease to exist.


    118. 119 | August 8, 2017 11:21 pm

      @ eaglesoars:
      Of course, if the NORKs take NetFlix down, it’s a brand new ballgame.


    119. AZfederalist
      120 | August 8, 2017 11:23 pm

      eagle, if you are still around from last night’s Google discussion, it appears there might be a case for the fired worker in court:

      https://www.weaselzippers.us/352426-google-is-more-afraid-of-moonbats-and-snowflakes-outrage-than-federal-law/#disqus_thread

      According to Dan Eaton, an attorney and ethics professor at San Diego University, the engineer certainly has grounds for a case on two fronts. “First, federal labor law bars even non-union employers like Google from punishing an employee for communicating with fellow employees about improving working conditions,” Eaton writes.

      And second, because the memo was a statement of political views, Eaton says Google may have violated California law which “prohibits employers from threatening to fire employees to get them to adopt or refrain from adopting a particular political course of action.”

      “More popcorn please”


    120. 121 | August 8, 2017 11:23 pm

      @ Bunk X:
      “Better Call Saul” is awesome.


    121. coldwarrior
      122 | August 8, 2017 11:34 pm

      Bunk X wrote:

      Any missile(s) launched intending to go splodey on us or any of our allies (and that includes China in this matter) will be intercepted and destroyed before it hits the target, and his country will cease to exist.

      wisdom.


    122. 124 | August 8, 2017 11:53 pm

      @ coldwarrior:
      The big question is “Does the US do it preemptively, or do we wait?” Same goes for Iran…

      BOOM.

      BOOM.

      My gut reaction is “Whoops, our mistake. Now STFD.”

      Then we ride out the criticism and let the other belligerants think about it.


    123. 125 | August 9, 2017 12:08 am

      @ AZfederalist:
      This is kinda viral right now. Not my stuff, but still…

      https://twitter.com/sandwich_bbq/status/895093720734760960


    124. Calo
      126 | August 9, 2017 12:15 am

      @ Bunk X:
      I believe in the phrase

      “Always ask for forgiveness instead of permission.”

      But, I have to disagree here. Somehow we have to strong arm China to do our dirty work in both places instead of us.


    125. Aussie Infidel
      127 | August 9, 2017 12:18 am

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Does anybody really think the Norks would do something stupid like attack Guam? I don’t. At the very worst, somebody from China is have a Come-to-Jesus talk w/L’il Kim.

      Not a lot of good choices to be made here. Kicking the can down the road always ends up in a situation where the number of ‘good’ choices is eventually reduced to zero, and then there are only bad choices and very bad choices left. This happened in 1930s over Czechoslovakia, on the Korean Peninsula in late 1940s and early 1950s, in Iran and now in North Korea. Politicians everywhere would rather leave the world in a precarious position with no good way out rather than taking up the cudgels early on and risking their political careers and historical legacy.

      As far as I can see the remaining options are:-

      *a decapitating conventional strike on the head of State of North Korea. (fomenting an internal decapitating strike is virtually impossible in a regime like NK given the security in place)
      *outsourcing a decapitating strike to China as a way for the Chinese to maintain their common border security in a post current NK regime world and putting a Chinese puppet in place
      *A conventional military strike on NK administrative assets in the capital in the hope that Kim Jong Un and his close associates would be killed and then negotiating a deal with who ever is left.
      *Initiating a conventional South Korean deep strike into NK by a ‘faux NK’ artillery strike on Seoul. However this would put the NK regime in a use it or lose it situation with their nukes.
      *A first strike nuclear attack on all NK sites associated with their nuclear and ballistic missile programs requiring up to 30 medium yield nukes and living with the fallout in Japan and SK.
      *Kicking the can further down the road by enforcing isolating sanctions on NK, and threatening Chinese sanction busting with a US Chinese Trade war, but risking a ‘nuclear Gotterdammerung response’ from NK.
      *Kicking the can far down the road and ignoring NK sabre rattling and awaiting a nuclear terrorist attack on the US or US allied nation and responding in kind massively on both NK and the terrorist group as a learning moment.

      Anyone else got any other obvious options that I may have missed?

      As I said when one kicks cans down the roar what remains after a time is only bad options. The more the time the worse the options left available.


    126. Calo
      128 | August 9, 2017 12:20 am

      @ Bunk X:
      If you have Amazon Prime, the 7 part John Adams series is worth looking at.

      I had to laugh when Abigail Adams said she had enough of the pompous idiots in George III’s court and wanted to go back to America


    127. coldwarrior
      129 | August 9, 2017 12:24 am

      @ Possum:

      czech yinz’s email


    128. coldwarrior
      130 | August 9, 2017 12:25 am

      @ Bunk X:
      @ Aussie Infidel:

      i’m all for smoking this fat shitbag.


    129. Calo
      131 | August 9, 2017 12:28 am

      @ coldwarrior:
      He’s out for the night, but rest assured, he’s on a mission.


    130. 132 | August 9, 2017 12:32 am

      @ Calo:
      China won’t because they’re NoRK trading partners on the black market.


    131. coldwarrior
      134 | August 9, 2017 12:33 am

      Calo wrote:

      @ coldwarrior:
      He’s out for the night, but rest assured, he’s on a mission.

      😆

      yes, i know.


    132. 135 | August 9, 2017 12:34 am

      @ coldwarrior:
      Keep it quiet. This could take months.


    133. Aussie Infidel
      136 | August 9, 2017 12:34 am

      coldwarrior wrote:

      @ Bunk X:
      @ Aussie Infidel:

      i’m all for smoking this fat shitbag.

      There is a bloody long line mate.

      Not sure there’d be much left by the time you got your turn!

      🙂


    134. 137 | August 9, 2017 12:35 am

      @ Calo:
      So am I.


    135. Aussie Infidel
      138 | August 9, 2017 12:37 am

      @ coldwarrior:
      Noted

      Cold suggests options
      *1
      *3

      The trick is to do the ‘smoking’ before the order goes out to “unleash hell”

      🙂


    136. lobo91
      139 | August 9, 2017 12:37 am

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Oliver North is talking about deploying long-range bombers to Guam but why would you station them in a target area? Sounds like the Phillipines during the Pearl Harbor attack

      No reason to do so. Besides, last time they tried deploying B-2s to Guam didn’t go so well:


    137. 140 | August 9, 2017 12:41 am

      @ Aussie Infidel:
      Someone with cojones needs to pop Pyongyang. China won’t. The U.N. won’t. Russia won’t. Etc., etc., etc. All the big talkers in the world won’t do a damn thing about it because they want the U.S. to take the blame for the fallout.


    138. Calo
      141 | August 9, 2017 12:43 am

      @ Bunk X:
      Night, Bunk.

      Nice to see you here again.


    139. coldwarrior
      142 | August 9, 2017 12:51 am

      Bunk X wrote:

      @ coldwarrior:
      Keep it quiet. This could take months.

      indeed.


    140. 143 | August 9, 2017 12:51 am

      @ Calo:
      Ditto. Keep an eye on our marsupial friend. He’s a real stand-up guy even though his taste in food and music sucks donkeys.

      https://youtu.be/1uVCvwhzctA


    141. 144 | August 9, 2017 1:02 am

      @ coldwarrior:
      The seeds have been sown and it’ll take a while for the flowers to bloom. 😀


    142. Calo
      145 | August 9, 2017 1:03 am

      @ Bunk X:
      He mentored my daughter over the last 8 months back to life since she lost her brother, quietly but with a stiff upper lip.

      I’m grateful. He truly is a kind soul.


    143. 146 | August 9, 2017 1:14 am

      @ Calo:
      Yeah. He bent my ear a few times about it. Hope you’re recovering as well. I was worried about you. Honest.


    144. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      147 | August 9, 2017 1:14 am

      lobo91 wrote:

      Democratic Representative Flips Out After Army Refuses To Rename Confederate Street Names On Base…

      Democratic Rep. Yvette Clarke is vowing to fight the U.S. Army’s refusal to change streets named after Confederate generals at a New York base.

      The names of the two streets receiving flak from Clarke are Stonewall Jackson Drive and General Lee Avenue, both of which are located at Fort Hamilton and received the names in the first place because Lee and Jackson spent time at the base before the start of the Civil War, The Hill reports.

      So far, the Army has refused to bend to pressure by renaming the streets, earning Clarke’s ire.

      “These monuments are deeply offensive to the hundreds of thousands of Brooklyn residents and members of the armed forces stationed at Fort Hamilton whose ancestors Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson fought to hold in slavery,” Clarke said in statement Monday. “For too many years, the United States has refused to reckon with that history. I commend the city of New Orleans for initiating this important and often difficult work. I will continue to petition the Department of the Army to contribute to that effort.”

      And you know what? The Department of the Army will continue to ignore you…

      “For too many years, the United States Democrat Party has refused to reckon with that history.

      Fixed it for her.


    145. 148 | August 9, 2017 1:21 am

      @ Deplorable Martian Overlord:
      The Democrat Party is attempting to rewrite its own history.


    146. Calo
      149 | August 9, 2017 1:29 am

      @ Bunk X:
      As I have told Possum, I’ll never be the same again since December 19th, 2016.

      My heart is broken, so many regrets.

      I just plod through life now, observing the idiocracy of it all, wondering if I can get the child left to carry on the family legacy. While not caring to do so myself.


    147. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      150 | August 9, 2017 1:43 am

      Bunk X wrote:

      @ AZfederalist:
      This is kinda viral right now. Not my stuff, but still…

      https://twitter.com/sandwich_bbq/status/895093720734760960

      I looked at it, it’s a parody site.


    148. 152 | August 9, 2017 2:11 am

      @ Deplorable Martian Overlord:
      Yeah, but it’s funny as hell.


    149. 153 | August 9, 2017 2:14 am

      @ Calo:
      Please do not eat yourself up.


    150. Aussie Infidel
      154 | August 9, 2017 4:06 am

      doriangrey wrote:

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      Not only are these arseholes liars but they seem to think the folks are idiots as well

      Sigh… Yes, those aresholes are liars. One of my pet peeves on this subject has to do with the Ross Ice-shelf, which they continue to insist is melting and calving because of increased temperatures, when reality is that the Ross Ice-shelf sits directly on top of an active and erupting volcanic chain.

      Yes, the ice on the Ross Ice-shelf is melting and the glaciers are calving, because active volcanoes under the Ross Ice-shelf are significantly raising the water temperatures. That’s what happens when 3000 degree plus magma is pumped into the water directly under a ice-shelf, Goebbels Warming has absolutely ZERO to do with it.

      Correct. Mt. Erebus an active volcano is right up close and cuddling the Ross Ice Shelf.

      🙂


    151. Aussie Infidel
      155 | August 9, 2017 4:15 am

      Bunk X wrote:

      because they want the U.S. to take the blame for the fallout.

      Literally!

      🙂


    152. 156 | August 9, 2017 8:21 am

      @ Bunk X:
      @ Aussie Infidel:


    153. eaglesoars
      157 | August 9, 2017 8:29 am

      good morning! Yeah, there is one more option that no one has mentioned. I doubt that it’s actually do-able but FWIW – targeted assassination. Put a bullet in the bitch’s head. It would be nice if someone in his military got a clue but I suspect they’re too cowed, so it would probably have to be a volunteer suicide mission. Or a very very good sniper.

      In other news, about those econ numbers. This is John Crudele who I like because he always calls b.s. on the BLS’ methods and explains things.

      That growth was larger than the experts had been predicting. The average growth over the last three months is 195,000 — again, decent but not worthy of a celebration.

      Walter Williams, whose Shadow Stats newsletter picks apart Washington’s economic data, says recently revised numbers on disposable income indicate the US is close to a recession.

      Officially, the government says the economy is growing very modestly — at less than 2 percent a year.

      But the latest government numbers on disposable income tell a bleaker story. Income grew at just a 0.69 percent annual rate in 2016.

      One thing I noticed is that even tho the hourly wage increased by a few cents/hr, nobody said anything about the number of hours worked. I don’t think they increased, or if they did, not by very much. And Crudele’s conclusion:

      The bottom line? Go ahead and cheer the July job numbers if you want, but in no way do they square with disposable income figures.

      Either the job figures or the disposable income numbers are wrong. Or — and this is what many people believe — all of the jobs being created are very poor-quality and poor-paying.


    154. eaglesoars
      158 | August 9, 2017 8:49 am

      Report: Hillary Clinton Considering Becoming a Methodist Preacher

      yeah, I’ll just stand over here and wait for the lightning strike


    155. 159 | August 9, 2017 9:16 am

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      *A first strike nuclear attack on all NK sites associated with their nuclear and ballistic missile programs requiring up to 30 medium yield nukes and living with the fallout in Japan and SK.

      Cough cough, sounds like a job for my last DARPA project. Think ballistic missile with a radar signature smaller than a bumble bee.


    156. 160 | August 9, 2017 9:23 am

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      Correct. Mt. Erebus an active volcano is right up close and cuddling the Ross Ice Shelf.

      I took a year of Oceanography the first time I went to college, there is a whole string of volcano’s (total of 7 if memory serves me correctly) under the Ross Ice-shelf. One of my professors was a research scientist at the Scripts Institute of Oceanography his specialty was Undersea Volcanology he had made dozens of trips to the Ross Ice-shelf to study that volcanic chain.


    157. RIX
      161 | August 9, 2017 9:42 am

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Report: Hillary Clinton Considering Becoming a Methodist Preacher

      yeah, I’ll just stand over here and wait for the lightning strike

      She could perform her own exorcism!


    158. 162 | August 9, 2017 10:16 am

      @ Possum:

      By the way, how is Little Green Footballs doing? I haven’t been there in a very long time.

      NoBucksChuck is skidding into the toilet. His GoFundMe page has raised only $7K of its $20K goal in over two years, and most of us think he’s been withdrawing the money to put it back to show “donations.” He’s ranked >59,000 at Alexa for the U.S. and >250,000 in the world. Google Adsense just sanctioned him for posting a copyrighted YouTube video. Several people have asked why he’s using their stuff without attribution.

      And oh yes, still jumping on the wrong side of a story and looks like a fool, all the while harassing important people on Twitter, thinking he’s a “playah.” I think the worst day of his life will be if the Playpen ever closes – as that’ll be the sign everyone’s really “over” him.


    159. coldwarrior
      163 | August 9, 2017 10:43 am

      @ eaglesoars:

      well, the author of that page writes for the ‘we hate trump’ ny post. i dont know of any correlation for what he offered to reach that conclusion of his. and even shadow stats has trump kicking but in comparison to the last president.

      recession? two quarters of negative growth? i dont see that happening at all.

      Manufacturing jobs increased by 16,000 in July after increasing by 12,000 in June, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.

      In July, construction employment increased by 6,000, following an increase of 15,000 in June. Employment in construction has been trending up since late last summer, largely among specialty trade contractors and in residential building.

      Overall, total nonfarm payroll employment increased by 209,000 in July. The unemployment rate, at 4.3 percent, and the number of unemployed persons, at 7 million, changed little in July.

      each manufacturing and construction job creates 3-4 service sector jobs.

      from my local eye test, we are having a hiring crisis here, every business has signs out and we have to import labor from the gulf coast and texas to keep up with the constructions and wells.


    160. coldwarrior
      164 | August 9, 2017 10:46 am

      @ coldwarrior:

      get rid of the 30 hour clause in obamacare and peeps wont have to work two shitty jobs.


    161. eaglesoars
      165 | August 9, 2017 10:48 am

      Bunk X wrote:

      Any missile(s) launched intending to go splodey on us or any of our allies (and that includes China in this matter) will be intercepted and destroyed before it hits the target, and his country will cease to exist.

      actually, I think that falls into the Fractured Fairy Tale File. IIRC, our tests don’t show a great percentage of hits. I think it’s a bit like trying to hit a bullet with a bullet. 20% odds would be excellent.

      AZfederalist wrote:

      Eaton says Google may have violated California law which “prohibits employers from threatening to fire employees to get them to adopt or refrain from adopting a particular political course of action.”

      Two words. Brendon. Eich.


    162. eaglesoars
      166 | August 9, 2017 10:55 am

      coldwarrior wrote:

      well, the author of that page writes for the ‘we hate trump’ ny post.

      no, that would be the NY Daily News. NY Post is reasonable.

      The rest of the stats in your post are very encouraging. I’m not trying to be a wet blanket or a Cassandra, but I do try to live in Reality and that requires True Facts.

      coldwarrior wrote:

      @ coldwarrior:

      get rid of the 30 hour clause in obamacare and peeps wont have to work two shitty jobs.

      And you just answered my question about any increase in number of hours worked. The hourly wage went up, but I’m betting the hours worked number didn’t and you just told me why.

      I has teh chores.


    163. 167 | August 9, 2017 11:02 am

      @ eaglesoars:

      That’s the option I was hoping for – that the NK military takes a long look at Fat Boy, remembers that they have families and march into his Palace office and perform a nuclear relief shot at this piece of crap.

      Can you imagine a united Korea – one country? The business opportunities for the impoverished and starving people in the North would be amazing. KIA and Hyundai building automobile plants, the textile expansion?


    164. coldwarrior
      168 | August 9, 2017 11:07 am

      eaglesoars wrote:

      no, that would be the NY Daily News. NY Post is reasonable.

      ah!

      cant keep em straight as i dont read any ny rags.

      i looked for the author’s bona fides….they arent posted. i usually check that first.


    165. 170 | August 9, 2017 11:32 am

      @ coldwarrior:

      Don’t tell me, let me guess…..MOTIVE unknown?


    166. coldwarrior
      171 | August 9, 2017 11:35 am

      Deplorable Barbarian wrote:

      @ coldwarrior:

      Don’t tell me, let me guess…..MOTIVE unknown?

      the guilty BMW’s steering mechanism is under heavy questioning by the gendarmerie!


    167. eaglesoars
      172 | August 9, 2017 11:37 am

      Deplorable Barbarian wrote:

      Can you imagine a united Korea – one country?

      nope. If you’ve ever read anything from a Nork defector, they are hopelessly deformed mentally and emotionally. It would take one, maybe 2 generations before they were able to develop normally.

      Hell, I’ve worked with people from mainland China and you don’t have to scratch too deep into that surface to find FUBAR


    168. RIX
      173 | August 9, 2017 12:25 pm

      http://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2017/08/09/yikes-video-of-hikers-standoff-with-mountain-lion-sends-chills-across-the-internet/
      @ Twitchy
      So like we were taking a walk in the woods, and then this happened.


    169. coldwarrior
      174 | August 9, 2017 12:34 pm

      RIX wrote:

      http://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2017/08/09/yikes-video-of-hikers-standoff-with-mountain-lion-sends-chills-across-the-internet/
      @ Twitchy
      So like we were taking a walk in the woods, and then this happened.

      44 magnum ends that standoff…and provides a nice pelt for the wall.


    170. RIX
      175 | August 9, 2017 12:57 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      RIX wrote:

      http://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2017/08/09/yikes-video-of-hikers-standoff-with-mountain-lion-sends-chills-across-the-internet/
      @ Twitchy
      So like we were taking a walk in the woods, and then this happened.

      44 magnum ends that standoff…and provides a nice pelt for the wall.

      They didn’t plan ahead.


    171. coldwarrior
      176 | August 9, 2017 12:58 pm

      hesuschristas!!!! some days you just want to punch the idiot vogon functionaries in the mouth. our borough tax collector can’t seem to see what is right in from of her face.

      me and mrs coldwarrior bought an empty lot two doors down, it was empty because the the house that was on it burned to the ground then the lot was terraced by the demolition company. its a 1.7 acre field of grass that we are going to garden next spring.

      my tax bill includes a house on the property. i’ve been to the office twice to inform them that there is in fact no house there, no structures whatever. it is an empty field of grass and rose bushes.

      the moron just told me AGAIN that her records indicate that there is a house on the structure.

      well. this time i had to involve the mayor ( a viet nam veteran of Hue ’68) he’s a very level headed guy. i walked into his office and showed him the bill that i had requested be fixed twice now then told him about his idiot vogon lazy slug tax collector and the problem i was having. (he can see this lot from his house)

      mayor calmly walked into the tax office and said this: ‘Missy, there aint no house on that property, why are you taxing this man for one?”

      she said again that her records indicate that there is a house on the structure.

      the mayor then asked her to get in the borough car and drive up to the lot and verify that there is no structure on the property.

      she then asked, why would i do that?

      …i have no time for morons, if the police weren’t there i would have flipped out.

      needless to say, it is now all fixed because the mayor was about to tear her apart. this took 3 trips to the tax office and three conversations with the idiot vogon functionary. and she LOOKS like Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz of the Galactic Hyperspace Planning Council.

      and people wonder why i drink.


    172. eaglesoars
      177 | August 9, 2017 1:03 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      she then asked, why would i do that?

      this is why, when people ask me if I worry about what will happen if the fighting actually starts, I tell them ‘nope’.


    173. coldwarrior
      178 | August 9, 2017 1:07 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      indeed


    174. eaglesoars
      179 | August 9, 2017 1:38 pm

      oh this is cool. Pittsburgh: 1950

      Someone commissioned a photog to record the happenings in Pittsburgh as it was becoming a powerhouse steel city. The pics were in Carnegie (Mellon) library but now somebody has compiled them into a book.


    175. coldwarrior
      180 | August 9, 2017 2:05 pm

      @ eaglesoars:
      i’m on the waitlist

      just had this delivered.


    176. eaglesoars
      181 | August 9, 2017 2:12 pm

      @ coldwarrior:

      Excellent, thank you!


    177. coldwarrior
      182 | August 9, 2017 2:16 pm

      just started this


    178. eaglesoars
      183 | August 9, 2017 2:22 pm

      @ coldwarrior:

      wish listed


    179. coldwarrior
      184 | August 9, 2017 2:58 pm

      new thread about my favorite bastards!


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