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  • The Neocons and The Dems Re-Unite

    by coldwarrior ( 113 Comments › )
    Filed under Democratic Party, Neocon Bastards, Open thread at August 9th, 2017 - 2:56 pm

    It seems that the Neocons have cozied up to their former spouse, the Democrat Party. After ruining the GOP, the spineless chicken-hawks have decided to leave and go back to their ex. See, the GOP voters picked Trump, that means no room for the Neocon bastards any more. We here in flyover country are sick and tired of sending our kids to go fight and die in ideological driven and quite endless wars that have NO national interest worth spilling blood and spending treasure over.

    But Democrats and neocons share far more than revulsion toward Trump; particularly once Hillary Clinton became the party’s standard-bearer, they share the same fundamental beliefs about the U.S. role in the world and how to assert U.S. power. In other words, this alliance is explained by far more than antipathy to Trump.

    Indeed, the likelihood of a neocon/Democrat reunion long predates Trump. Back in the summer of 2014 — almost a year before Trump announced his intent to run for president — longtime neocon-watcher Jacob Heilbrunn, writing in the New York Times, predicted that “the neocons may be preparing a more brazen feat: aligning themselves with Hillary Rodham Clinton and her nascent presidential campaign, in a bid to return to the driver’s seat of American foreign policy….

    One sees this same dynamic repeated with many other of the world’s most militaristic, war-loving neocons. Particularly after his recent argument with Tucker Carlson over Russia, Democrats have practically canonized Max Boot, who has literally cheered for every possible war over the two past decades and, in 2013, wrote a column titled “No Need to Repent for Support of Iraq War.” It is now common to see Democratic pundits and office holders even favorably citing and praising Bill Kristol himself.

    There’s certainly nothing wrong with discrete agreement on a particular issue with someone of a different party or ideology; that’s to be encouraged. But what’s going on here goes far, far beyond that.

    What we see instead are leading Democratic foreign policy experts joining hands with the world’s worst neocons to form new, broad-based policy advocacy groups to re-shape U.S. foreign policy toward a more hostile, belligerent and hawkish posture. We see not isolated agreement with neocons in opposition to Trump or on single-issue debates, but a full-scale embrace of them that is rehabilitating their standing, empowering their worst elements, and reintegrating them back into the Democratic Party power structure.

    If Bill Kristol and Mike Chertoff can now sit on boards with top Clinton and Obama policy advisers, as they’re doing, that is reflective of much more than a marriage of convenience to stop an authoritarian, reckless president. It demonstrates widespread agreement on a broast range of issues and, more significantly, the return of neocons to full-scale D.C. respectability, riding all the way on the backs of eager, grateful establishment Democrats.”

    Yeah, I just checked, Max Boot has no military creds and was educated at Berkley. Real brave there Max…real brave.

    Thankfully, the re-alignment of the GOP is happening faster than even I would hope for! Good riddance Neocon scum. I’ll trade one smug, beta-male, non-veteran chicken-hawk like Bill Krystol and Max Boot for real Patriots like a Joe the Coal miner and a Bob the Electrician any day. Let the Realignment continue!

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    113 Responses to “The Neocons and The Dems Re-Unite”
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    1. coldwarrior
      1 | August 9, 2017 3:02 pm

      gonna send generalissimo krystol and colonel boot these to play with.

      made in america! maga!!!!


    2. coldwarrior
      2 | August 9, 2017 3:34 pm

      why not go HOME and rebuild your shitty country.


    3. coldwarrior
      3 | August 9, 2017 3:38 pm

      black lives matter


    4. eaglesoars
      4 | August 9, 2017 4:56 pm

      in a bid to return to the driver’s seat of American foreign policy….

      It says quite a bit that one of the few places you find punch-in-the-face-honest reporting is in – Glenn Greenwald’s Intercept.

      I’m surprised the piece missed Kristol’s new clique “The Committee to Not re-Elect Trump”, or whatever the hell he calls it. Oh, yeah, and his pathetic RESTART manifesto. What was written as a cri de coeur ended up as the whimpering of eunuchs


    5. 5 | August 9, 2017 4:59 pm

      We here in flyover country are sick and tired of sending our kids to go fight and die in ideological driven and quite endless wars that have NO national interest worth spilling blood and spending treasure over.

      Made all the worse by the fact that the bastards starting them have ZERO intentions of actually wining them.


    6. eaglesoars
      6 | August 9, 2017 5:03 pm

      yeah, fingers crossed but I’ll believe it when I see it

      The Justice Department has reopened the investigation of Hillary Clinton’s mishandling of classified material on her private email system while she was secretary of state, and is considering offering her a plea bargain if she will agree to plead guilty to charges of breaking the law, according to a Clinton attorney

      She wouldn’t take it. She’d tell them to prove it or go piss up a rope


    7. 7 | August 9, 2017 5:08 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      She wouldn’t take it. She’d tell them to prove it or go piss up a rope

      Lets ope she is that narcissistic and arrogant.


    8. 8 | August 9, 2017 5:09 pm

      Snicker snicker…. https://twitter.com/OscarWildeGrey/status/895390018197348352


    9. eaglesoars
      9 | August 9, 2017 5:10 pm

      @ doriangrey:

      oh I think we can bet on it……


    10. 10 | August 9, 2017 5:14 pm

      Things to make coldwarriors skin crawl (aka as thing former Rock Stars sometimes do that you should never attempt)

      Mix Red Moscato and Green Monster Energy Drink to create home made Sparkling Red Wine.


    11. coldwarrior
      12 | August 9, 2017 5:45 pm

      @ doriangrey:

      we used to take monster mean bean java and mix it with shots of espresso vodka and a touch of whipped cream vodka and caramel vodka.

      nice!


    12. coldwarrior
      13 | August 9, 2017 5:47 pm

      doriangrey wrote:

      Snicker snicker…. https://twitter.com/OscarWildeGrey/status/895390018197348352

      😆


    13. eaglesoars
      14 | August 9, 2017 5:57 pm

      Deplorable Martian Overlord wrote:

      http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2017/08/09/mcmasters-former-group-quietly-took-massive-funding-from-sharia-ruled-bahrain/

      bahrain’s sharia rule is fairly light, all things considered. It’s one of the places the Saudis go to party. Not to say that they aren’t totally corrupt in the Arab tradition.


    14. 15 | August 9, 2017 6:21 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      @ doriangrey:

      we used to take monster mean bean java and mix it with shots of espresso vodka and a touch of whipped cream vodka and caramel vodka.

      nice!

      Just because you’re all out to get me doesn’t mean I’m not paranoid…


    15. Aussie Infidel
      16 | August 9, 2017 7:55 pm

      @ doriangrey:
      The Corollary :-

      “I may be paranoid but it doesn’t mean that they are still not out to get me”.

      🙂 HEH !


    16. lobo91
      17 | August 9, 2017 8:23 pm

      72 Types Of Americans That Are Considered “Potential Terrorists” In Official Government Documents

      I wonder if there’s a prize for being in the most categories simultaneously?


    17. Aussie Infidel
      18 | August 9, 2017 8:56 pm

      Tuesday’s bombshell Washington Post story that the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) has determined North Korea is capable of constructing miniaturized nuclear weapons that could be used as warheads for missiles – possibly ICBMs – left out a crucial fact: DIA actually concluded this in 2013. The Post also failed to mention that the Obama administration tried to downplay and discredit this report at the time.
      During an April 11, 2013, House Armed Services Committee hearing, Congressman Doug Lamborn, R-Colo., inadvertently revealed several unclassified sentences from a DIA report that said DIA had determined with “moderate confidence” that North Korea has the capability to make a nuclear weapon small enough to be launched with a ballistic missile.
      The Director of National Intelligence and Obama officials subsequently tried to dismiss Lamborn’s disclosure by claiming the DIA assessment was an outlier that did not reflect the views of the rest of the U.S. Intelligence Community.
      Obama officials tried to downplay the DIA assessment to prevent it from being used to force the president to employ a more assertive North Korea policy.
      It was clear what Obama officials were doing in 2013. The DIA report represented inconvenient facts that threatened President Obama’s North Korea “strategic patience” policy — a policy to do nothing about North Korea and kick this problem down the road to the next president. Obama officials tried to downplay the DIA assessment to prevent it from being used to force the president to employ a more assertive North Korea policy.


    18. Aussie Infidel
      19 | August 9, 2017 9:12 pm

      https://fas.org/sgp/crs/nuke/RL30143.pdf

      I can’t remember the name of this ethnic Chinese who spilled all of the US Livermore Labs nuke miniaturisation technology to the Chinese government 30 years ago?… who then based it on to Pakistan, Iran and NK.


    19. lobo91
      20 | August 9, 2017 9:18 pm

      Anti-Trump Fanatic Executes GOP Committeeman with Two Bullets to the Head — While His Wife Was Watching

      A man is under arrest, accused of killing his next door neighbor in West Goshen, Chester County.

      Police have charged Clayton Carter, 51, in the shooting death of G. Brooks Jennings.

      Shortly before 8 p.m. Monday, police responded to the 300 block of Box Elder Drive for a dispute between Carter and Jennings about cursing and video recording in the back yard. Police said they were able to resolve that dispute.

      Then at approximately 1 a.m. Tuesday, police say the neighbors got into another dispute. Carter told police that Jennings shined a light into his eyes while he was outside. Carter then allegedly pulled a car onto his lawn, shining the high beams of the car on Jennings’ property.

      Carter then allegedly retrieved a .380 semi-automatic handgun from his house and confronted the victim again outside.

      Officials say Carter shot Jennings once in the head, knocking him to the ground. Carter then allegedly stood over Jennings’ body and shot him once more in the head.

      The victim was on his own property, police said…

      …Jennings’ wife allegedly heard the first gunshot, then saw Carter stand over her husband as he fired the second shot.

      Police recovered two shell casings, the gun and a knife at the scene. One shell casing was located on Carter’s property. The second shell casing was found on the victim’s property, near Jennings’ body.

      Carter has been charged with murder and related offenses, and is currently being held at the Chester County Prison.

      Neighbor Brian Dougherty got emotional when speaking of Jennings.

      “You don’t want to sound cliche, you see this on TV all the time, but he is probably the nicest, best guy I’ve ever met in my whole life. Really, seriously,” Dougherty said.

      Police say Carter had disputes with a number of other neighbors, and even pulled a gun on Jennings during a past altercation.

      Neighbors say Carter was a quarrelsome, argumentative man. Court records claim Carter had a history of disputes with multiple neighbors. His front yard was crowded with cars and hand lettered anti-Trump signs.


    20. eaglesoars
      21 | August 9, 2017 9:26 pm

      @ Aussie Infidel:

      The reports have been that in their mtg Obama told Trump Nk was going to be his big problem, but it was several years down the road

      I asked last nite how is it our intel agencies so mis-timed this development and if Iran has had anything to do with it. Now I wonder if that ‘cash on pallets’ deal with Iran had anything to do with it. We tried to bribe Iran to not help the Norks?


    21. lobo91
      22 | August 9, 2017 9:26 pm

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      https://fas.org/sgp/crs/nuke/RL30143.pdf

      I can’t remember the name of this ethnic Chinese who spilled all of the US Livermore Labs nuke miniaturisation technology to the Chinese government 30 years ago?… who then based it on to Pakistan, Iran and NK.

      Wen Ho Lee?


    22. eaglesoars
      23 | August 9, 2017 9:29 pm

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      I can’t remember the name of this ethnic Chinese

      I remember a Wen Ho Lee? But that wasn’t 30 yrs ago


    23. lobo91
      24 | August 9, 2017 9:32 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      1999 or so


    24. eaglesoars
      25 | August 9, 2017 9:42 pm

      lobo91 wrote:

      @ eaglesoars:

      1999 or so

      I know it was 1995 or later because we were living in this house when that story broke and we moved in in 1995


    25. Canoe Convoy
      26 | August 9, 2017 10:22 pm

      @ doriangrey:
      I continue to believe that the Weinburger Doctrine should be brought back. No more sending folks off to wars in which our nations have no compelling national interest, and no intention of being victorious.


    26. eaglesoars
      27 | August 9, 2017 10:25 pm

      bedtime nite


    27. coldwarrior
      28 | August 9, 2017 11:26 pm

      Canoe Convoy wrote:

      @ doriangrey:
      I continue to believe that the Weinburger Doctrine should be brought back. No more sending folks off to wars in which our nations have no compelling national interest, and no intention of being victorious.

      amen


    28. Aussie Infidel
      29 | August 10, 2017 6:02 am

      I watched the Tucker Carlson program Wednesday and saw a clip shot a few days ago as Brian Kilmey was hosting.

      Tucker was totally unprepared and woefully under briefed to foot it with a Global Warming author. The guy ran rings around Tucker and tossed up the usual memes but they fell on deaf ears as Tucker had no background knowledge the put this propagandist in his place. Hell . Even the old 97% of climate scientists agree blah blah blah bullshit was tossed up yet again and Tucker had no idea at all that it was all proven garbage. He just rolled over and tried to laugh it all off.

      VERY poor scene, and a bad look for Carlson who is usually reasonably well briefed.


    29. rain of lead
      30 | August 10, 2017 7:20 am

      morning y’all
      I’ve said it before and I will say it again,

      “I don’t like interesting times.”


    30. rain of lead
      32 | August 10, 2017 7:23 am

      this crap is starting to look not so funny anymore


    31. rain of lead
      33 | August 10, 2017 7:28 am

      what the hell?
      I know, cnn, but still…?

      http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/09/politics/us-cuba-acoustic-attack-embassy/index.html


    32. 35 | August 10, 2017 8:14 am

      @ lobo91:
      I fit in to about 30-35 of those.


    33. RIX
      36 | August 10, 2017 9:11 am

      @ right_wing2:
      You are in serious trouble. I am too.


    34. 37 | August 10, 2017 9:21 am

      @ right_wing2:
      @ RIX:

      I didn’t even bother to count. It was obvious to me that the Government has declared pretty much everybody a terrorist kind of like throwing spaghetti at the wall, but they wanted to be damned certain that something stuck, so they covered the wall with Lestor Hayes infamous stick-em first.


    35. RIX
      38 | August 10, 2017 10:13 am

      http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2017/08/09/judge-orders-searches-for-clinton-benghazi-emails-241470
      @ Politico
      Fed Judge orders State Department to do an additional search of Hillarys Benghazi emails.
      Wait for it “She’s a woman!” that’s why


    36. RIX
      39 | August 10, 2017 10:15 am

      @ doriangrey:
      Yeah, but the missed the Little Sisters of the Poor, the real threat.


    37. 40 | August 10, 2017 11:01 am

      That’s all I can stands, I can’t stands no more….

      This a.m., I got in to find an UNSOLICITED email from a rabid liberal I know, one who I told to leave me the EFF alone, stating, I am not kidding, the following (lifted straight from the email):

      I hope you Republicans are happy putting a madman in the White House. He’s probably more than happy to goad the North Koreans into firing a nuclear missal into California because the state voted for Hillary and gave her the popular vote. I can’t sleep at night knowing he’s going to lead us into nuclear war. I blame all of you. Good people are going to die because of you.

      I had only this to say to her:

      “What part of ‘F**K off didn’t you understand?”


    38. lobo91
      41 | August 10, 2017 11:38 am

      @ Deplorable Barbarian:

      “nuclear missal”?


    39. lobo91
      42 | August 10, 2017 11:42 am

      @ Deplorable Barbarian:

      Never mind the fact that North Korea wouldn’t have any “nuclear missals” were it not for Obama and Clinton.


    40. RIX
      43 | August 10, 2017 12:00 pm

      @ Deplorable Barbarian:
      She sounds unhinged. I have a cousin just like that.


    41. 44 | August 10, 2017 12:02 pm

      lobo91 wrote:

      @ Deplorable Barbarian:

      Never mind the fact that North Korea wouldn’t have any “nuclear missals” were it not for Obama and Clinton.

      Irrelevant, its all the evil republicans fault eleventie111111


    42. 45 | August 10, 2017 12:25 pm

      @ lobo91:

      I know!! She’s Roman Catholic, like I am, and I’m “WTF – are you saying Trump’s planning to unload prayer books on them?”


    43. 46 | August 10, 2017 12:27 pm

      @ doriangrey:

      Oh check out the Washington Post now! They have decided to ride to Blow-Job Billy’s rescue on this by blaming….wait for it…..REAGAN and his invasion of Grenada!

      http://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2017/08/10/puh-leeze-wapo-rides-to-bill-clintons-rescue-on-nk-nukes-blame-trickles-down-to-previous-prez/


    44. eaglesoars
      48 | August 10, 2017 2:14 pm

      @ lobo91:

      wouldn’t it be great if they asked for Mudslide Maxine?


    45. 49 | August 10, 2017 2:16 pm

      @ lobo91:
      A .50 caliber round to that tubby little psychos head?


    46. RIX
      50 | August 10, 2017 3:57 pm

      Is Shepard Smith a dick? The question is rhetorical , He is doing everything to mock Trump and make him the
      heavy in the standoff with the NORKS. Classy guy Shep.


    47. 51 | August 10, 2017 5:22 pm

      So Kim Dong Fatboy is saying he’s going to launch a missile “off the waters of Guam” in mid-August.

      But Trump’s wrong for telling him “if you do, your country is toast.”


    48. eaglesoars
      52 | August 10, 2017 5:44 pm

      Deplorable Barbarian wrote:

      So Kim Dong Fatboy is saying he’s going to launch a missile “off the waters of Guam” in mid-August.

      But Trump’s wrong for telling him “if you do, your country is toast.”

      I can’t figure out what the Norks think the end game is. I suspect there’s a domestic politics aspect to this we’re not seeing.


    49. Aussie Infidel
      53 | August 10, 2017 6:39 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Deplorable Barbarian wrote:

      So Kim Dong Fatboy is saying he’s going to launch a missile “off the waters of Guam” in mid-August.

      But Trump’s wrong for telling him “if you do, your country is toast.”

      I can’t figure out what the Norks think the end game is. I suspect there’s a domestic politics aspect to this we’re not seeing.

      Simple !

      Un believes that Trump has painted himself into a corner by threatening to turn Pyongyang into a parking lot. Un now actually believes that NK can fire a ‘shot across the US’ bows’ and get away with it because he thinks that the US can’t respond with an ACTUAL attack on NK that wouldn’t escalate into nuclear war.

      Kim Long Un believes that whichever side initiates the ‘shot across the bows’ action has the propaganda advantage because anything ‘more’ than that means war.

      This is just a pure piece of propaganda ‘bragging rights’ theatre that Un believes will make the US look weak and all mouth with no resolve the back it up.

      He wants to trap Trump between having to respond to Un’s brinkmanship but having nowhere to go short of war.

      Iran is watching this little bit of brinksmanship theatre with rapt attention.


    50. Aussie Infidel
      54 | August 10, 2017 6:43 pm

      lobo91 wrote:

      @ Deplorable Barbarian:

      “nuclear missal”?

      That would be ‘The Roman Missal 1962’ would it?

      🙂


    51. rain of lead
      55 | August 10, 2017 6:44 pm

      hey y’all

      https://www.weaselzippers.us/352629-north-korea-lays-out-specific-details-for-launching-missiles-near-guam/

      the missles would fly OVER?!?! japan…. oh hell no


    52. rain of lead
      56 | August 10, 2017 6:50 pm

      because walmart. that’s why.

      https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/08/10/freak-out-walmart-hangs-back-to-school-banner-near-gun-display/

      smack my damn head.


    53. Aussie Infidel
      57 | August 10, 2017 7:02 pm

      rain of lead wrote:

      http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/09/us/russian-air-force-tu154-overflight-dc/index.html

      This flight will be monitored by the US Capitol Police Command Centre….. and these DC fantasists with badges can actually do … WHAT ?


    54. Aussie Infidel
      58 | August 10, 2017 7:08 pm

      rain of lead wrote:

      hey y’all

      https://www.weaselzippers.us/352629-north-korea-lays-out-specific-details-for-launching-missiles-near-guam/

      the missles would fly OVER?!?! japan…. oh hell no

      rain of lead wrote:

      hey y’all

      https://www.weaselzippers.us/352629-north-korea-lays-out-specific-details-for-launching-missiles-near-guam/

      the missles would fly OVER?!?! japan…. oh hell no

      I call bullshit to that.

      NK can’t overfly Japan to the EAST of NK and then land the same missiles close to Guam to the SOUTH.

      I have never heard of a ballistic trajectory that involves a right hand turn !

      HEH!

      🙂

      Kim Jong Un is just trying to mess with ya!

      …. and not doing much of a job of it!

      One can only hope that Un’s trajectory specialists are better at their jobs than Un’s propagandists.

      🙂


    55. Aussie Infidel
      59 | August 10, 2017 7:17 pm

      @ Aussie Infidel:
      One option would be for the US to shoot down all four missiles ….. as a DEMONSTRATION.and then back it up with an ICBM strike overhead Pyongyang at 100,000 feet with a conventional warhead …. again as a DEMONSTRATION.

      The Lesson being. We can neutralise your threat with our technology and can kill you whenever we wish!


    56. Aussie Infidel
      60 | August 10, 2017 7:23 pm

      https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2017/08/10/starbucks-muslim-refugee-jobs/

      Ain’t it the truth

      Boycott Starbucks

      🙂


    57. eaglesoars
      62 | August 10, 2017 8:02 pm

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      One option would be for the US to shoot down all four missiles

      I’m not sure we can do that. IIRC, our testing shows about a 20% hit rate.


    58. Aussie Infidel
      63 | August 10, 2017 8:12 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      One option would be for the US to shoot down all four missiles

      I’m not sure we can do that. IIRC, our testing shows about a 20% hit rate.

      Trust me Eagles. That statistic incorporates all of the testing phases and development work. The operational deployment stats tell a VERY different story across the THAAD and Standard 3 systems.

      The information is not a secret and neither should it be. The US wants its enemies to know that it has an operational anti- missile defence system that works, as this reduces the chance of ‘mistakes’ in launch policy by opponents.

      Janes is a good place to begin your research .

      🙂


    59. Aussie Infidel
      64 | August 10, 2017 8:17 pm

      A quick count of THAAD / Std 3 battery sites shows 6 US, 4 Japanese, 2 Korean based and that is just the first close in tier deployments. Then there is the second tiers in Alaska and California plus the terminal phase tier scattered around the States. There is more of a shield than most imagine and it’s getting thicker and better all the time.

      Nothing will stop ‘leakage’ in a massive strike, but the system was not designed for that. It’s there for the limited strike from NK or Iran.


    60. eaglesoars
    61. eaglesoars
      66 | August 10, 2017 8:22 pm

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      Janes is a good place to begin your research .

      Yes, it is.

      Now, gimme the money.


    62. Aussie Infidel
      67 | August 10, 2017 8:28 pm

      @ eaglesoars:
      The US response would not necessarily be massive but would rather try to decapitate the leadership and possibly limit the further launch capability in the short term until an alternative administration and arise.

      The massive capability of the US to turn an enemy like NK into a glass carpark precludes such a scenario. The world would never forgive a massive US response that killed almost all 25 million NKs because it would be clear that the US had other less extreme options, of limited strikes.

      What is happening here is that all this talk is just sabre rattling that will probably never happen. It’s designed to push a VERY reluctant China to initiate a regime decapitating strike in NK and the installation of a Chinese puppet government that will protect China from having SK and US forces up close and personal with the Chinese border. This is the Chinese nightmare. The only Chinese alternative is to keep SK and the US at arms length by controlling what happens in NK through a Chinese surrogate regime in Pyongyang.

      Hence the movement of almost a quarter million of China’s best and most capable troops to the NK border. This deployment has been almost totally glossed over by the MSM who are fixated on the shiny object of possible US / NK exchange.

      Relax Eagles as the real ‘stuff’ is proceeding apace behind the scenes and as usual the MSM has missed it totally and are TYPICALLY ‘out to lunch!”

      🙂


    63. eaglesoars
      68 | August 10, 2017 8:29 pm

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      The operational deployment stats tell a VERY different story across the THAAD and Standard 3 systems.

      oh, yeah, look at this. There’s a handy dandy chart showing all the tests right thru July 30 this year.


    64. Aussie Infidel
      69 | August 10, 2017 8:32 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      This is fun.

      Getting medieval: A military analysis of Game of Thrones’ Westeros War

      Great shot of Medieval airpower and prototype napalm

      🙂


    65. eaglesoars
      70 | August 10, 2017 8:33 pm

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      It’s designed to push a VERY reluctant China to initiate a regime decapitating strike in NK

      that’s what I said the other nite when we were going over options – targeted assassination to take the L’il Psycho Bitch out. The question was by whom?

      It’s ironic – we fought the Korean War to prevent China from taking over the place and now the best option looks like having China just sit on half of it.


    66. Aussie Infidel
      71 | August 10, 2017 8:34 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      Janes is a good place to begin your research .

      Yes, it is.

      Now, gimme the money.

      I get Janes for free and they keep sending me ‘Pass Along’ free subs for ‘friends’

      Want one?

      Seriously


    67. eaglesoars
      72 | August 10, 2017 8:41 pm

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      Want one?

      Seriously

      THANK YOU YES!!


    68. Aussie Infidel
      73 | August 10, 2017 8:42 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      It’s designed to push a VERY reluctant China to initiate a regime decapitating strike in NK

      that’s what I said the other nite when we were going over options – targeted assassination to take the L’il Psycho Bitch out. The question was by whom?

      It’s ironic – we fought the Korean War to prevent China from taking over the place and now the best option looks like having China just sit on half of it.

      Actually that was ALWAYS the Chinese position. China like the Soviets and now Russia demand buffer states under their control to act as surrogates on which to wage war. It’s NEVER a good idea to be involved in a war on one’s own territory, and that’s why the US has a two ocean advantage !

      The problem for both Russia and China is when they loose control of their ‘buffer states’ which is VERY threatening to them. It suggests having to fight a future war on home turf.

      Russia has lost Eastern Europe and most importantly Ukraine and now China has lost control of their surrogate in NK to a megalomaniac partially outside their immediate control.


    69. Aussie Infidel
      74 | August 10, 2017 8:44 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      Want one?

      Seriously

      THANK YOU YES!!

      I’ll get your e-Mail addy off Cold and scan and send you a ‘Pass Along’ application. Or alternatively if you have a PO type post box I can send you a snail mail form.


    70. eaglesoars
      75 | August 10, 2017 8:59 pm

      @ Aussie Infidel:

      cold has my email, it will be faster.

      Russia has more land mass than it can protect with people, but it’s geography has defeated all modern land armies. And nobody in their right mind wants to invade China. Their food isn’t all THAT great, especially the dog part.

      Russia is a brutal place. One of the best documentaries I’ve ever seen is called “The Happy People of Taiga”. It’s a Siberian Snow Forest. Alaska has nothing on that place.


    71. Aussie Infidel
      76 | August 10, 2017 9:13 pm

      @ eaglesoars:
      OK I’ll contact Coild and pass it along and he can then get it to you.

      You should get Janes Defence Weekly plus Janes Naval Review ( a monthly which is very good if you are a ‘Fish-head’ and also the Janes Defence Review ( a monthly) and worth its weight in ‘rocking horse shit’.
      Excellent.

      If you have a close family member then use his ‘creds’ and suggested professional interest to ensure a seamless free subscription process. A PO box rather than a private address is also a good plan, and ensure that you ask for the ‘Hard Copy’ magazines. Janes will try to foist the electronic copies onto you. RESIST that and go for the hard copies. Janes have had problems with their electronic copies that come out of their Singapore offices. Don’t EVER relent and take their electronic offerings as they will cancel your hard copy subscription.

      You have to understand Janes marketing philosophy:-

      *


    72. Aussie Infidel
      77 | August 10, 2017 9:18 pm

      @ eaglesoars:
      *Free subs go to decision makers and decision formers
      * You can probably get a freebie by admitting that you’re a ‘past’ decision maker of decision former but if you’re current or someone close is still with some decision forming power it’s better to use that to ensure that you get the Janes tick!
      * Suggest that copies are available to more than a single person. Personally I give all of my old copies to the library at Auckland Grammar School and they are hoovered up by lots of would be strategic analysts want-a-bes in training. 🙂
      * Enjoy the free Janes for life.

      🙂


    73. eaglesoars
      78 | August 10, 2017 9:36 pm

      @ Aussie Infidel:

      will do, thx


    74. eaglesoars
      79 | August 10, 2017 10:03 pm

      I’m just going to say it. #NRA & @DLoesch are quickly becoming domestic security threats under President Trump. We can’t ignore that.

      Dem Congresswoman Kathleen Rice, Long Island, NY

      Note to self: buy more ammo


    75. Aussie Infidel
      80 | August 10, 2017 10:24 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      I’m just going to say it. #NRA & @DLoesch are quickly becoming domestic security threats under President Trump. We can’t ignore that.

      Dem Congresswoman Kathleen Rice, Long Island, NY

      Note to self: buy more ammo

      Don’t you just love a plan that comes together that automatically pisses rabid socialists off to the extent that they identify themselves as future security risks attracting sanctions.

      Two can play this game !

      HEH !

      🙂


    76. lobo91
      81 | August 10, 2017 10:25 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      Note to self: buy more ammo

      I have ammo.

      Need more guns, though.

      I really want one of those Mossberg Shockwaves. Seems like a perfect truck gun.


    77. eaglesoars
      82 | August 10, 2017 10:31 pm

      This is a pic of James Damore, the guy fired from Google for Bad Thoughts. It’s been driving me up the wall trying to figure out who he reminds me of. Then I remembered.

      Ron Reagan Jr.

      spitting image


    78. eaglesoars
      83 | August 10, 2017 10:33 pm

      @ lobo91:

      yeah, I’m wanting that too but I really can’t justify it. It is sweet.


    79. eaglesoars
      84 | August 10, 2017 10:37 pm

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      Two can play this game !

      you should see twitter. “law enforcement is aware of Domestic Terror threats like the NRA and @Loesch’, etc. etc.

      uh huh.

      Our side has 800 katrillion rounds of ammo and they’re figuring out which bathroom to use. I ain’t losing any sleep.

      But I AM going to bed. Nite, and Aussie, thanks again for the very kind offer, I can’t wait. And pester you with questions!


    80. AZfederalist
      85 | August 10, 2017 11:26 pm

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      Boycott Starbucks

      Would really like to do that, but since I don’t shop there anyway, I can’t not shop there anymore than I already am.


    81. AZfederalist
      86 | August 10, 2017 11:27 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      I’m not sure we can do that. IIRC, our testing shows about a 20% hit rate.

      Consider the source of what you read.

      /Don’t believe everything you read


    82. AZfederalist
      87 | August 10, 2017 11:33 pm

      @ lobo91:
      So, I need to replace my grandfather’s old double barrel 12 gauge. It is an old Riverside Arms with exposed double hammers — the thing has been used so much, the firing pin on the right barrel is intermittent. It will go into the safe as an archive. I’m going to replace it with one of these:

      http://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com/prodimages/alt_images/browning-maxus.jpg


    83. rain of lead
      88 | August 10, 2017 11:53 pm

      @ AZfederalist:

      I’ve always thought these beauties were badass

      http://www.cimarron-firearms.com/1878-coach-gun-12-ga-20-barrel-standard-blue.html


    84. Aussie Infidel
      89 | August 10, 2017 11:55 pm

      rain of lead wrote:

      @ AZfederalist:

      I’ve always thought these beauties were badass

      http://www.cimarron-firearms.com/1878-coach-gun-12-ga-20-barrel-standard-blue.html

      http://modernfirearms.net/shotgun/it/benelli-m4-m1014-e.html

      M-4 Tac with 14 inch barrel!

      …. and it’s even legal in NZ!

      🙂

      fantastic firearm. No jams and easy to strip. Perfect home defence weapon in tight spaces.


    85. AZfederalist
    86. rain of lead
      92 | August 11, 2017 6:09 am

      morning y’all


    87. rain of lead
      93 | August 11, 2017 7:18 am

      how big a boom would a house sized rock, slamming into the earth,be?

      https://www.yahoo.com/news/asteroid-shave-past-earth-inside-moon-orbit-esa-155009565.html


    88. 94 | August 11, 2017 9:50 am

      rain of lead wrote:

      how big a boom would a house sized rock, slamming into the earth,be?

      Not this big. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meteor_Crater


    89. 95 | August 11, 2017 4:15 pm

      There’s a certain amount of chair dancing that’s going on because the District Judge in Sarah Palin’s lawsuit has ordered the author into court to testify as to his prior knowledge regarding the NYT’s 12(b)(6) motion to dismiss:

      https://www.weaselzippers.us/352684-authors-of-ny-times-palin-editorial-ordered-to-give-testimony-in-court/#disqus_thread

      Typically for a Motion to Dismiss, the briefing is completed and the parties argue during the hearing (although some judges will consider the motion submitted on the pleadings). So the judge ordering testimony regarding the author’s knowledge of the retraction by the New York Times as to original allegations about Palin at the time of the Giffords shooting is significant and everyone is celebrating.

      I’m not. The judge has essentially telegraphed to this piece of crap how he can wiggle out of the lawsuit. “Say you didn’t know.” That’s all he has to do. And since there is no discovery as yet, his computer hard drives cannot be subpoenaed and subjected to forensic examination to determine his search history. Once the 12(b)(6) motion is granted, the lawsuit is over. No discovery. The upside of course is that granting a motion to dismiss is appealable.

      I’d love to be wrong on this.


    90. 96 | August 11, 2017 6:37 pm

      Everyone of the screaming chicken littles in my office cannot understand how I can be so “calm” in the face of certain nuclear death at the hands of the insane Donald Trump.

      I tell them to Google “Cuban Missile Crisis.”

      And then I tell them I was 9 years old at the time with a father in the Air Force that I didn’t see for two weeks.

      This ain’t my first rodeo.


    91. eaglesoars
      97 | August 11, 2017 8:01 pm

      Deplorable Barbarian wrote:

      I’d love to be wrong on this.

      If I understand correctly, that foreknowledge of previous articles that RETRACTED the false stories is required to establish malice.

      I don’t see the problem here. If the NYT printed the original false story, then retracted it, and the reporters/editors are claiming they knew only of the original story, but not the retraction, that’s not credible.

      (Did the NYT have an ombudsman at the time?)

      I see the possible land mine you see, but I also see that it’s possible the judge is cutting off any chance the plaintiffs have of appealing or asking for a mistrial because they were not informed of their rights. The judicial version of CYA

      As for your office mates and the NORKS – one thing I’ve noticed about some of the people that have come after us – they’ve completely romanticized the Cold War/Viet Nam era. It’s hard to imagine yourself as part of a planetary drama w/o the drama, so they’ll just make one up. It probably never occurs to them that the really scary stuff is happening off-screen, beneath the waves, above the clouds, and in the back alleys of squalid towns in 3rd world countries and they’ll never know about any of it.


    92. lobo91
      98 | August 11, 2017 8:11 pm

      @ Deplorable Barbarian:

      The North Korean threat to the continental US is non-existent. They don’t have anything (aside from a cargo ship) that could deliver a warhead here.

      The Chinese do, but their ICBM/SLBM force is relatively tiny. Maybe 100 missiles total, most with single warheads. Our missile defenses would probably take care of most anything they launched in our direction. And about 20 minutes later, there would be a whole bunch of craters in what used to be China.

      Of course, the Chinese know this. Since they probably have no desire to glow in the dark, I seriously doubt that they’ll do anything to harm the precious snowflakes in the Bay Area.


    93. eaglesoars
      99 | August 11, 2017 8:18 pm

      This is interesting. They need someone to replace Kelly at DHS. How about Rick Perry, currently heading of DOE? Ok, then who replaces Perry?

      How about Joe Manchin?


    94. 100 | August 11, 2017 8:26 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      I’m really hoping that YOUR scenario vis-a-vis the editor is correct – like I said, I’d love to be wrong on the judge’s motivations for compelling testimony at a hearing. It’s highly unusual. The upside is that I’ll assume Palin’s attorney will get a crack at cross and I’m pretty sure if I’ve thought of this “just say you didn’t know” scenario, he has as well, and is preparing the appropriate kabob skewers.

      Oh, and harkening back to my chicken littles in the office. One advised me that she had indeed seen “Thirteen Days” and it didn’t seem like it was “all that scary.”

      No, honey, it probably didn’t seem so “scary” in hindsight — you had to BE there.


    95. 101 | August 11, 2017 8:31 pm

      @ lobo91:

      Chinese joined in the U.N. resolution, with Russia, as I recall, earlier this week. So the World is united against this dumpy little dirtbag. Except Rosie O’Donnell, who posted a video today apologizing to Kim for Trump. Career over.

      I found it worthwhile during a break this afternoon to play a video of Stevenson’s exchange with Zorin at the U.N. in 1962 — “I am prepared to wait for my answer until HELL freezes over…”


    96. lobo91
      102 | August 11, 2017 8:48 pm

      @ Deplorable Barbarian:

      There’s a semi-official English-language newspaper out of China that’s basically considered to be the government’s position of things. I can’t remember the name at the moment, though.

      Anyway, the other day, they had an editorial that essentially said that if North Korea attacks the US, they’re going to remain neutral, but if we strike first, they’ll side with Kim.


    97. lobo91
      104 | August 11, 2017 8:56 pm

      Ghost Voters

      Some 3.5 million more people are registered to vote in the U.S. than are alive among America’s adult citizens. Such staggering inaccuracy is an engraved invitation to voter fraud.

      The Election Integrity Project of Judicial Watch — a Washington-based legal-watchdog group — analyzed data from the U.S. Census Bureau’s 2011–2015 American Community Survey and last month’s statistics from the federal Election Assistance Commission. The latter included figures provided by 38 states. According to Judicial Watch, eleven states gave the EAC insufficient or questionable information. Pennsylvania’s legitimate numbers place it just below the over-registration threshold.

      My tabulation of Judicial Watch’s state-by-state results yielded 462 counties where the registration rate exceeded 100 percent. There were 3,551,760 more people registered to vote than adult U.S. citizens who inhabit these counties.

      “That’s enough over-registered voters to populate a ghost-state about the size of Connecticut,” Judicial Watch attorney Robert Popper told me.

      These 462 counties (18.5 percent of the 2,500 studied) exhibit this ghost-voter problem. These range from 101 percent registration in Delaware’s New Castle County to New Mexico’s Harding County, where there are 62 percent more registered voters than living, breathing adult citizens — or a 162 percent registration rate.

      Washington’s Clark County is worrisome, given its 154 percent registration rate. This includes 166,811 ghost voters. Georgia’s Fulton County seems less nettlesome at 108 percent registration, except for the number of Greater Atlantans, 53,172, who compose that figure.

      But California’s San Diego County earns the enchilada grande. Its 138 percent registration translates into 810,966 ghost voters. Los Angeles County’s 112 percent rate equals 707,475 over-registrations. Beyond the official data that it received, Judicial Watch reports that LA County employees “informed us that the total number of registered voters now stands at a number that is a whopping 144 percent of the total number of resident citizens of voting age.”

      All told, California is a veritable haunted house, teeming with 1,736,556 ghost voters. Judicial Watch last week wrote Democratic secretary of state Alex Padilla and authorities in eleven Golden State counties and documented how their election records are in shambles.

      “California’s voting rolls are an absolute mess that undermines the very idea of clean elections,” said Judicial Watch president Tom Fitton in a statement. “It is urgent that California take reasonable steps to clean up its rolls. We will sue if state officials fail to act.”


    98. eaglesoars
      105 | August 11, 2017 9:01 pm

      lobo91 wrote:

      We will sue if state officials fail to act.”

      questions for Barbarian: What standing does Judicial Watch have to sue; what state court would they sue in? what state law would be cited?


    99. lobo91
      106 | August 11, 2017 9:12 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      It would be in federal court.

      Here’s an amicus brief they filed in another related case


    100. eaglesoars
      108 | August 11, 2017 9:18 pm

      lobo91 wrote:

      @ eaglesoars:

      It would be in federal court.

      Here’s an amicus brief they filed in another related case

      If I wanted to read 27 pgs of legalese I would have gone to law school. Having to read that crap is one of the reasons I DIDN’T go to law school.


    101. eaglesoars
      109 | August 11, 2017 10:09 pm

      bedtime. Just a quick note – in remembrance of our friend Iron Fist, who left us one year ago this evening.

      nite.


    102. AZfederalist
      110 | August 11, 2017 10:18 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      bedtime. Just a quick note – in remembrance of our friend Iron Fist, who left us one year ago this evening.

      nite.

      It’s been that long? Wow.


    103. rain of lead
      111 | August 11, 2017 10:43 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      Damn.


    104. 112 | August 11, 2017 10:44 pm

      @ eaglesoars:
      Damn.


    105. Deplorable Bumr50
      113 | August 11, 2017 11:12 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      What a great man.


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