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  • NAFTA Renegotiation Starts Today.

    by coldwarrior ( 135 Comments › )
    Filed under Economy, Open thread at August 16th, 2017 - 4:39 am

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    Discussions to begin renegotiating the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) are set to begin Wednesday in Washington, D.C., when the United States, Canada and Mexico will come together to work out new terms for the trilateral trading pact.

    Mexican officials have said the plan is to hold seven rounds of talks at three-week intervals, according to Reuters.

    President Donald Trump, who has called NAFTA “the worst trade deal” the U.S. has ever approved, is not expected to be included in the initial rounds of talks, as he continues his 17-day working vacation. Trump officially announced his intentions to renegotiate the agreement shortly after his inauguration, part of his campaign promise to put “America First.”…

    According to the White House, since the implementation of NAFTA in 1994, the U.S. trade balance with Mexico has shifted from a surplus of $1.3 billion to a $64 billion deficit in 2016.

    That deficit is the ‘giant sucking sound’ of American jobs going south. It is not Free Trade if one country grossly undercuts wages, environmental protections, and workplace safety. Adam Smith was talking about trade of British Wool for Portuguese Port wine, not exporting thousands and thousands of jobs to another country to sell back those goods to us. Smith would have never gone for exporting the British Woolen mills to Portugal, ever. NAFTA is not Free Trade nor was it ever meant to be. It was a sellout of America.

    Another likely source of dispute is Washington’s desire to eliminate an infrequently used dispute resolution process under which a NAFTA panel can overrule individual countries’ decisions on dumping and unfair subsidies.

    Washington views Chapter 19 as unfair, since it can overrule decisions made by US agencies on imports thought to receive unfair subsidies.

    But for Canada especially, which has successfully used the process in the longstanding timber dispute with the United States, Chapter 19 is not negotiable.

    And Mexico’s Congress passed a resolution last month calling for negotiators to resist any move to eliminate the mechanism.

    The question remains whether that becomes a red line for the US side, and would prompt Washington to withdraw from the trade deal that has allowed vast multinational supply chains to form throughout the region

    I don’t think Adam Smith would have went for Chapter 19 either. He was a huge fan of British Sovereignty. I’m a huge fan of American Sovereignty.

    Canadian Foreign Minister Chrystia Freeland suggested on Monday that Canada could walk away from the talks if the United States insisted on scrapping the mechanism to resolve trade disputes between the three NAFTA countries.

    You tipped your hand sweetie, you don’t play much poker or negotiate real often do you?

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    135 Responses to “NAFTA Renegotiation Starts Today.”
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    1. coldwarrior
      1 | August 16, 2017 4:57 am

      off topic

      team blogmocracy is really getting the work done!

      thank you guys so much!


    2. rain of lead
      2 | August 16, 2017 6:10 am

      morning y’all


    3. Aussie Infidel
      12 | August 16, 2017 7:38 am

      rain of lead wrote:

      http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/08/gregg-jarrett-comey-caught-major-lie-clinton-loretta-lynch-tarmac-meeting-video/

      This from a good friend and a former director of an intel agency……

      The founder and editor of National inquirer is a very close friend and supporter of Trump and assisted the campaign in featuring Hilary’s incontinence on the front page !

      But isn’t it interesting that no critical study of Soros global subversion and his piggy backing for the Russians has been written or published ?

      The Russians have funded anti fracking movement in the US as has Soros….interesting confluence .

      I also note that the new DCI has calmed the agency – no longer have a public interface .

      Trump is one of Hegels world historical figures as he raised the issue of truth ie the liberal media.

      That makes him very powerful.

      Fascinating.


    4. eaglesoars
      14 | August 16, 2017 9:17 am

      rain of lead wrote:

      the left NEVER, EVER STOP!

      http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2017/08/15/abrams-calls-for-removal-of-confederate-faces-off-stone-mountain/

      has anybody mentioned Mt. Rushmore yet? The #Nevertrumpers who find themselves gleeful at what they consider Trump’s missteps, need to hear the footsteps coming up behind them. Kurt Schlichter said it better than anybody: “You need to understand something. Trump is not our last chance. Trump is your last chance.”

      This ‘analysis’ that’s become so beloved about why Trump’s base will never leave him no matter what – because they’re racist – ignores what even James Carville understood: The market is up, NAFTA is about to be detonated, coal mines are opening.

      It’s the economy, stupid.

      All these people whose entire world view is built on race are going to find themselves stranded on an historical archipelago as everybody else finds work, money and opportunity.

      And Hope Hicks is the WH new Communications Director. I think she’s something like 12 years old, but she’s been around since the beginning and she hasn’t pissed off the media. Yet.


    5. 15 | August 16, 2017 9:26 am

      eaglesoars wrote:

      and she hasn’t pissed off the media. Yet.

      Don’t be absurd. She pissed the media off 12 hours before even being named as the WH new Communications Director. It does not matter who is nominated to be Trump’s Communications Director, the media already hates them even before they know who it is.


    6. rain of lead
      16 | August 16, 2017 10:32 am

      Hey, remember when a Black Lives Matter activist murdered five White Cops while saying he “wanted to kill white people” and then Obama refused to condemn BLM and continued inviting them to the White House and John McCain didn’t say shit cause he’s a fucking traitor?

      I do.


    7. eaglesoars
      17 | August 16, 2017 10:42 am

      This is for Lobo, you got to watch an AR-15 blow up yesterday.

      The guys over at IraqVeteran8888 have, hands down, one of the most entertaining YouTube channels on the Internet. With great reviews, the always laughable “We’ll Shoot Your Stuff” series, and educational videos, IraqVeteran8888 has some truly fantastic content.

      However, the videos that never fail to please are the “Meltdown” series. The recipe? Take one gun everyone loves. Add a fully-automatic capability. Stir in a ridiculous amount of loaded magazines and drums. Shoot the bejeezus out of the gun that everyone loves until it fails, hopefully while catching fire in the process.


    8. eaglesoars
      18 | August 16, 2017 10:57 am

      This is why Trump fights. Because for all the threats and scolding and moral preening of the media, they are pussies. Here are some post-presser tweets from some of the supposedly grown men reporters.

      “I am totally rattled by that presser. Chest tight, stomach queasy. Feel sick,”

      “I vomited on election night. Today, I bawled for 20 minutes. The stress and anxiety brought on my a threatening president is overwhelming”:

      #LiterallyShaking


    9. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      19 | August 16, 2017 12:51 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      This is why Trump fights. Because for all the threats and scolding and moral preening of the media, they are pussies. Here are some post-presser tweets from some of the supposedly grown men reporters.

      “I am totally rattled by that presser. Chest tight, stomach queasy. Feel sick,”

      “I vomited on election night. Today, I bawled for 20 minutes. The stress and anxiety brought on my a threatening president is overwhelming”:

      #LiterallyShaking

      Seriously? And President Stompyfoot McPointyfinger wasn’t a threatening President. What dumbasses. Trump would be crucified by these bastards if he pulled half the crap that Obama did.


    10. lobo91
      21 | August 16, 2017 2:17 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      I watched a video the other day of someone firing a suppressed M-249 on full auto until the suppressor blew up.

      Took about 700 rounds. The barrel and suppressor were red-hot.

      Don’t try this at home…


    11. lobo91
      22 | August 16, 2017 2:18 pm

      Baltimore Pulls Down Confederate Monuments In Dead Of Night

      The city of Baltimore took down a number of Confederate statues in the early hours of Wednesday.

      A seven-member commission — chosen by the city’s mayor — proposed to remove both the Roger B. Taney monument and a dual monument to Robert E. Lee and Thomas J. “Stonewall” Jackson earlier this year, according to the Baltimore Sun.

      Some of those monuments had been vandalized over the weekend in the wake of the racist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia.


    12. 23 | August 16, 2017 2:55 pm

      Chicago pastor wants statues of Washington and Jefferson removed. Of course. https://www.chicksontheright.com/2017/08/16/chicago-pastor-wants-george-washington-statues-removed/.


    13. eaglesoars
      24 | August 16, 2017 3:16 pm

      lobo91 wrote:

      suppressed M-249 on full auto until the suppressor blew up.

      what is the point? Did they really need to know a tech spec of some sort? I dunno, destruction for its own sake is stupid.

      So Trump has disbanded his business councils. I’m watching all these ‘conservative’ leaders, business and political, yammer the ‘white supremacy is evil’ line and run away from Trump, hoping the Eye of Sauron will pass them by. It will. This time. But once all their Trumpster enemies have been sacrificed to the fires of purity, things won’t be returning to normal like they think they will. Fires need fuel. And they should REALLY pay more attention to that Bible thing they claim to revere. There’s something in there about unleashing the wind and reaping the whirlwind.


    14. eaglesoars
      25 | August 16, 2017 3:19 pm

      And as long as people who question the wisdom of removing those statues are being told they are white supremists, people who support Planned Parenthood should be told they are eugenicists. That’s what Margaret Sanger was and we should make them own it.


    15. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      26 | August 16, 2017 3:34 pm

      Only an insane country or one just coming out of long dictatorship destroys their history. Guess which one we are now? This SJW insanity needs to be cleansed with fire.


    16. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      27 | August 16, 2017 3:35 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      And as long as people who question the wisdom of removing those statues are being told they are white supremists, people who support Planned Parenthood should be told they are eugenicists. That’s what Margaret Sanger was and we should make them own it.

      I already do. It has no impact. They won’t listen to actual history. “Uh Uh, not true”. Erases all impact of facts.


    17. eaglesoars
      28 | August 16, 2017 4:50 pm

      Deplorable Martian Overlord wrote:

      They won’t listen to actual history.

      did you see Bunk’s post the other nite about his daughter? lemme see if I can find it.


    18. eaglesoars
      29 | August 16, 2017 4:54 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      lemme see if I can find it.

      Eldest daughter Bunkessa is in town, hadn’t seen her in months. The topic of Charlottesville and #BlackLivesMatter came up and I said that both BLM and the neonazi/white supremacists were racists. She claimed that blacks were being persecuted by white police, and I called her on it. She asked for proof.

      So rather than go into a long search for statistics, I gave her a link to this interview between Sheriff David Clarke and CNN’s Don Lemon from a few years ago:

      https://youtu.be/dAu44wVgb58

      She said she wouldn’t watch it because he ran a prison with human rights violations… so I included his Wiki page and told her that Sheriff Clarke was a Democrat. [Nope. Not gonna read it.]

      Then she handed me a book, over 800 pages, titled “Lonesome Dove” and asked me to read it. I handed her my copy of Dr. Thomas Sowell’s “Black Rednecks and White Liberals” and asked her to read that, and she refused.

      The indoctrinated liberal mind is never been open to opposing views.

      One day she’ll wake up. Or maybe never.

      Comment #24 on the Section 301 thread


    19. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      30 | August 16, 2017 5:04 pm

      @ eaglesoars:
      Yeah, I read it. Fits my experiences too.


    20. coldwarrior
      31 | August 16, 2017 5:22 pm

      😆 the renegotiation of nafta isnt even in the news cycle.

      USTR reads the riot act

      https://ustr.gov/about-us/policy-offices/press-office/press-releases/2017/august/opening-statement-ustr-robert-0

      I’ve always thought that communities along our borders have a particular equity in this agreement. In many cases their lives, businesses, and families are very much on both sides of the dividing line. They too are hardworking men and women trying to raise a families and accumulate wealth. We must keep their interests paramount.

      But for countless Americans, this agreement has failed.

      We cannot ignore the huge trade deficits, the lost manufacturing jobs, the businesses that have closed or moved because of incentives — intended or not — in the current agreement.


    21. coldwarrior
      32 | August 16, 2017 5:25 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      So Trump has disbanded his business councils. I’m watching all these ‘conservative’ leaders, business and political, yammer the ‘white supremacy is evil’ line and run away from Trump, hoping the Eye of Sauron will pass them by. It will. This time. But once all their Trumpster enemies have been sacrificed to the fires of purity, things won’t be returning to normal like they think they will. Fires need fuel. And they should REALLY pay more attention to that Bible thing they claim to revere. There’s something in there about unleashing the wind and reaping the whirlwind.

      trillions of dollars at at stake. they hate him and what he is doing. these guys are globalist scum at their hearts.


    22. RIX
      33 | August 16, 2017 5:43 pm

      https://www.weaselzippers.us/353442-breaking-john-kasich-suggests-there-may-be-a-primary-challenge-to-trump-in-2020/
      @ WZ
      Kasich booting up to run in 2000. We are saved!/ First, stop eating pizza with a fork.


    23. RIX
      34 | August 16, 2017 5:56 pm

      @ RIX:
      2020,


    24. eaglesoars
      35 | August 16, 2017 5:58 pm

      @ RIX:

      toldja

      next up – Jeb!

      you know what? I need a keyboard that lets me do the Spanis thing with the exclamation point in the front upside down when I type his name


    25. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      36 | August 16, 2017 5:59 pm

      RIX wrote:

      https://www.weaselzippers.us/353442-breaking-john-kasich-suggests-there-may-be-a-primary-challenge-to-trump-in-2020/
      @ WZ
      Kasich booting up to run in 2000. We are saved!/ First, stop eating pizza with a fork.

      Well, if that’s the quality of the competitors we have nothing to worry about. Kasich literally has nothing anyone wants. He’s too liberal for even one side, to conservative for the other. He’s been riding the rail so long, neither side wants him. But, he’ll be the great saviour of the #NeverTrump crowd. Hahaha.


    26. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      37 | August 16, 2017 6:00 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      @ RIX:

      toldja

      next up – Jeb!

      you know what? I need a keyboard that lets me do the Spanis thing with the exclamation point in the front upside down when I type his name

      No, didn’t you get the memo, it’s JEB!. lol. Another rail rider with nothing going for them.


    27. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      38 | August 16, 2017 6:17 pm

      Wanted to go shooting today. Found out the painful way that the Jeep has developed the “death wobble”. FML. Time to shell out another 200 bucks to find out what has caused it this time. (Already repaired the “death wobble” three times. First; track bar, second; stabilizer shock, third; tie rod adjustment sleeve/warped rotors.)


    28. eaglesoars
      39 | August 16, 2017 6:18 pm

      Did anyone see Ted Nugent on The Specialists? He kicked butt. And if I hear Eboni Williams say “As a Christian…” one more time, I’m clubbing her like a baby seal with the Bible.


    29. 40 | August 16, 2017 6:20 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      hoping the Eye of Sauron will pass them by. It will. This time.

      No it won’t. The left may ignore them for awhile, but the right will not. The Right will take notice of those who tried to stab Trump in the back, and there will be hell to pay.


    30. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      41 | August 16, 2017 6:23 pm

      doriangrey wrote:

      eaglesoars wrote:

      hoping the Eye of Sauron will pass them by. It will. This time.

      No it won’t. The left may ignore them for awhile, but the right will not. The Right will take notice of those who tried to stab Trump in the back, and there will be hell to pay.

      The left won’t either. Purity of leftist belief is all for them. Temporary allies must be destroyed. It’s a lot like Islam. All these clowns have done is make sure both sides will hate them.


    31. Deplorable Bumr50
      42 | August 16, 2017 6:27 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      @ Deplorable Martian Overlord:

      YEB! works.


    32. eaglesoars
      43 | August 16, 2017 6:36 pm

      doriangrey wrote:

      No it won’t. The left may ignore them for awhile, but the right will not.

      We aren’t Sauron. We’ll simply expel them. Sauron will enslave them.

      oh yeah. The next time you hear a lib talking about how racist we all are, ask them about the history of the Dem party and why that’s their preferred affiliation.


    33. eaglesoars
      44 | August 16, 2017 6:37 pm

      Deplorable Bumr50 wrote:

      YEB! works.

      it does! like Yawn Williams!


    34. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      45 | August 16, 2017 6:40 pm

      Deplorable Bumr50 wrote:

      @ eaglesoars:

      @ Deplorable Martian Overlord:

      YEB! works.

      I like it.


    35. 46 | August 16, 2017 6:52 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      doriangrey wrote:

      No it won’t. The left may ignore them for awhile, but the right will not.

      We aren’t Sauron. We’ll simply expel them. Sauron will enslave them.

      oh yeah. The next time you hear a lib talking about how racist we all are, ask them about the history of the Dem party and why that’s their preferred affiliation.

      The left is louder, more violent and given a megaphone by the Fifth Column Treasonous Marxist Media. The Right is already calling for Boycotts of the companies that abandoned Trump.

      We shall shortly see who actually has the greater purchasing power.

      The Fifth Column Treasonous Marxist Media wants a Civil War, they are doing everything they can to provoke one. They are under the delusion that their Press Credentials will give them a free pass.

      If they get their Civil War I will be profoundly shocked if they aren’t the first ones lined up against the wall and shot.


    36. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      47 | August 16, 2017 6:57 pm

      doriangrey wrote:

      eaglesoars wrote:

      doriangrey wrote:

      No it won’t. The left may ignore them for awhile, but the right will not.

      We aren’t Sauron. We’ll simply expel them. Sauron will enslave them.

      oh yeah. The next time you hear a lib talking about how racist we all are, ask them about the history of the Dem party and why that’s their preferred affiliation.

      The left is louder, more violent and given a megaphone by the Fifth Column Treasonous Marxist Media. The Right is already calling for Boycotts of the companies that abandoned Trump.

      We shall shortly see who actually has the greater purchasing power.

      The Fifth Column Treasonous Marxist Media wants a Civil War, they are doing everything they can to provoke one. They are under the delusion that their Press Credentials will give them a free pass.

      If they get their Civil War I will be profoundly shocked if they aren’t the first ones lined up against the wall and shot.

      Historically they always are, followed by the academia, then the true believers whos belief system isn’t pure enough.


    37. eaglesoars
      48 | August 16, 2017 7:00 pm

      @ doriangrey:

      Iron Fist said the Left will try to provoke the war they think they want and will get a war of annihilation.

      How does one boycott Merck? That’s idiotic on its face.


    38. 49 | August 16, 2017 7:02 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      How does one boycott Merck? That’s idiotic on its face.

      Where there is a will, there is always a way.


    39. lobo91
      50 | August 16, 2017 7:16 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      what is the point? Did they really need to know a tech spec of some sort? I dunno, destruction for its own sake is stupid.

      Not that I could see..Someone with more money than sense, as far as I could tell.

      An M-249 costs as much as a small car. I didn’t even know they made suppressors for them, but that’s at least $1,000 plus a $200 ATF tax stamp.

      And 700 rounds of linked 5.566 ammo isn’t cheap.


    40. lobo91
      51 | August 16, 2017 7:18 pm


    41. eaglesoars
      52 | August 16, 2017 7:21 pm

      @ lobo91:

      that’s just stupid


    42. Bordm
      53 | August 16, 2017 7:22 pm

      You mean like this? Jeb¡eaglesoars wrote:

      @ RIX:

      toldja

      next up – Jeb!

      you know what? I need a keyboard that lets me do the Spanis thing with the exclamation point in the front upside down when I type his name

      Make sure the Num(eric) lock is on, on your keyboard…. Press and hold the ‘Alt’ key, type 0161 on the numeric keypad, then let go of the ‘Alt key…. ¡Violà ¡¡¡


    43. eaglesoars
      54 | August 16, 2017 7:29 pm

      @ Bordm:

      sheesh. no num lock on this board. my setup upstairs has it, I’ll try later, thank you!


    44. Bordm
      55 | August 16, 2017 7:37 pm

      @ eaglesoars:
      You can also click on the start button and type charmap to bring up the character map, then find it from there….


    45. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      56 | August 16, 2017 8:03 pm

      ¡YEB


    46. RIX
      57 | August 16, 2017 8:03 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      @ RIX:

      toldja

      next up – Jeb!

      you know what? I need a keyboard that lets me do the Spanis thing with the exclamation point in the front upside down when I type his name

      Jebra again? Lord stop the madness!


    47. RIX
      58 | August 16, 2017 8:06 pm

      Deplorable Martian Overlord wrote:

      RIX wrote:

      https://www.weaselzippers.us/353442-breaking-john-kasich-suggests-there-may-be-a-primary-challenge-to-trump-in-2020/
      @ WZ
      Kasich booting up to run in 2000. We are saved!/ First, stop eating pizza with a fork.

      Well, if that’s the quality of the competitors we have nothing to worry about. Kasich literally has nothing anyone wants. He’s too liberal for even one side, to conservative for the other. He’s been riding the rail so long, neither side wants him. But, he’ll be the great saviour of the #NeverTrump crowd. Hahaha.

      Good point. Kasich got no traction and just would not drop out. Really annoying


    48. eaglesoars
      59 | August 16, 2017 8:09 pm

      %


    49. eaglesoars
      60 | August 16, 2017 8:12 pm

      !


    50. eaglesoars
      61 | August 16, 2017 8:14 pm

      ok, Alt+0161 gave the ampersand, the charmap code gave ‘U+0021’ as the code for the exclamation point but it didn’t work, but copying it from the charmap worked.


    51. eaglesoars
      62 | August 16, 2017 8:18 pm

      oh good, Tucker is going after Bill Kristol after the break. I don’t know what Kristol said, but I’m sure we’ll find out. Kristol has declined Tucker’s invitation to appear. Why am I not surprised?


    52. Bordm
      63 | August 16, 2017 8:23 pm

      @ eaglesoars:
      The num lock has to be on AND you have to use the numeric keypad on the right hand side on the keyboard….. On the character map app, click on the special character, then look at the bottom right, it will say Keystroke: Alt + xxxx….


    53. 64 | August 16, 2017 8:27 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      ok, Alt+0161 gave the ampersand, the charmap code gave ‘U+0021’ as the code for the exclamation point but it didn’t work, but copying it from the charmap worked.

      Do you have the number lock on?

      It only works on the keypad. Not the numbers about the letters.


    54. 65 | August 16, 2017 8:28 pm

      Bordm wrote:

      @ eaglesoars:
      The num lock has to be on AND you have to use the numeric keypad on the right hand side on the keyboard….. On the character map app, click on the special character, then look at the bottom right, it will say Keystroke: Alt + xxxx….

      Yup, has to be the keypad… { ¡ ¥ and so forth and so on.


    55. Canoe Convoy
      66 | August 16, 2017 8:38 pm

      @ eaglesoars:
      This fits my experience, as well — one reason why I don’t go on many dates ( if at all ). Too many individuals make up their minds, and will not tolerate any discussion on certain topics.


    56. 67 | August 16, 2017 8:58 pm

      @ RIX:
      I already sent him a message that he couldn’t count on my support.


    57. eaglesoars
      68 | August 16, 2017 8:59 pm

      ¡

      there it is!


    58. eaglesoars
      69 | August 16, 2017 9:19 pm

      I DO hope Acting Sec. McCarthy tells him to just fuck right off.

      New York Governor Andrew Cuomo is calling for the removal of Confederate Generals’ names from New York City streets.

      In a letter to the Secretary of the Army, Cuomo urged the renaming of Stonewall Jackson Drive and General Lee Avenue in Fort Hamilton, Brooklyn.


    59. lobo91
      70 | August 16, 2017 9:23 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      But leaving the place named Fort Hamilton is cool, since Alexander Hamilton was black and all…
      /s


    60. Canoe Convoy
      71 | August 16, 2017 9:27 pm

      @ Deplorable Martian Overlord:
      Correct. They think they will come out victors in any conflict. They will be among the first to go. Some are so filled with self-righteousness that they cannot perceive that the response to their provocations may be furious.


    61. eaglesoars
      72 | August 16, 2017 9:29 pm

      @ lobo91:

      tell Andy and deBlasio that Manhatten owes reparations to those In – um, Native Americans – it was stolen from.


    62. lobo91
      73 | August 16, 2017 9:31 pm

      @ Canoe Convoy:

      Since firing an AR-15 causes many of them to have panic attacks from the tremendous recoil, I don’t think we have too much to worry about.


    63. eaglesoars
      74 | August 16, 2017 10:12 pm

      A Black Lives Matter chant around the Thomas Jefferson statue at UVA.

      they need to REALLY think this thru.


    64. 75 | August 16, 2017 10:24 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      they need to REALLY think this thru.

      Thinking is not their strong suit.


    65. eaglesoars
      76 | August 16, 2017 11:19 pm

      For his (her?) sake, I hope nobody ever doxxes the person behind the sean_spicer parody account. Freaking brilliant.

      We will reuse the steel and concrete from the downed statues to help build the wall. Good for the environment and a money saver

      I’m out, nite.


    66. AZfederalist
      77 | August 16, 2017 11:39 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      Gads these are weak-kneed snowflakes.

      /For cryin’ out loud, you are supposed to be journalists — grow a spine for goodness sake!


    67. AZfederalist
      78 | August 16, 2017 11:44 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      oh yeah. The next time you hear a lib talking about how racist we all are, ask them about the history of the Dem party and why that’s their preferred affiliation.

      They’ll just tell you that the Republican and Democrat parties switched places. They won’t be able to tell you when it happened, they just know that’s what happened.

      /facts bounce off these idiots like bullets off Superman


    68. AZfederalist
      79 | August 16, 2017 11:46 pm

      @ lobo91:

      Waste of good hardware


    69. lobo91
      80 | August 17, 2017 12:00 am

      @ AZfederalist:

      I’m still trying to figure out who has a suppressed M-249. And why.

      I can’t even see a purpose for it. A belt-fed machine gun is noisy as hell, even with one.


    70. Canoe Convoy
      81 | August 17, 2017 12:23 am

      @ AZfederalist:
      You’re correct. This isn’t a “R” or a “D” issue, its a “Right” vs “Left” issue. Plus, there’s no logic involved — its strictly emotion.


    71. Canoe Convoy
      82 | August 17, 2017 12:33 am

      @ lobo91:
      One thing I’ve noticed is that many ( not all ) of these Antifa folks count on people acting civilized, and with restraint and fairness. I think they have no idea what it would be like if there were no civility or restraint. They are counting on the fact that the Right abides by order & the rule of Law, while the leftist protesters get away with all sorts of things, the right is being demonized and gas-lit. Eventually, people will lose patience with these circumstances.


    72. lobo91
      83 | August 17, 2017 12:38 am

      @ Canoe Convoy:

      Same thing as the west vs. Islam. They use our laws against us, and demand that we adhere to them, while they go around blowing up children and cutting people’s heads off.


    73. rain of lead
      84 | August 17, 2017 7:12 am

      morning y’all

      what fresh hell does today bring?


    74. rain of lead
      85 | August 17, 2017 8:33 am

      hmmm…

      While Russian media calls the Su-57 an “aerial ghost,” a senior scientist working on stealth aircraft for the US called it a “dirty aircraft,” with many glaring flaws that would light up radars scanning for the plane.

      http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-su-57-stealth-fighter-disappointment-2017-8


    75. 86 | August 17, 2017 8:40 am

      Good grief. Watching the talking Idiots on the news. The Weather Idiots keep blathering on about how its only August even though it feels like October.

      The idiots (Cause all of the local talking weather idiots are saying this) while mentioning that it is 5 to 10 degrees cooler than seasonally normal.

      This just goes to show how incredibly stupid these talking imbeciles are. This is Southern California, not Pennsylvania, October is ALWAYS hotter than August.

      October is the hottest month of the year here. Winter literally arrives here like the flipping of a light switch and that light switch gets flipped every year on October 31st.

      Southern California is a freaking desert. That means our weather patterns are those of a dessert. We do not have the nice smooth transition between seasons, hell, we don’t even have all four seasons.

      We have Summer, and Winter. Summer starts in June and goes until the end of October. The rest of the year is fricking winter. Winter for us does not mean snow. It does not mean cold frigid temperatures.

      It means the temps drop down into the 60’s during the day and the high 40’s at night. It means the rainy season is upon us. Most of you get more rain during a single good storm then we get all year. (Where I live, 7 or 8 inches all year)

      The temps have been in the high 80’s for the last couple of weeks, this is what they are going nuts about. Normally the temps here this time of year are in the mid 90’s.

      Yea, it snows here in the mountains during the winter. That’s at elevations of 4000 feet. It doesn’t snow until early January and the snow only lasts a few weeks.

      It has snowed where I live 4 or 5 times in the 17 years I have been here. Always at night and it never stays on the ground, it melts on contact.


    76. eaglesoars
      87 | August 17, 2017 9:02 am

      rain of lead wrote:

      what fresh hell does today bring?

      well, Dorian is gonna have to move.

      California Bill: 1 Year in Jail for Using Wrong Transgender Pronoun

      unless, of course, ‘idiot’ is added to the list……..


    77. darkwords
      88 | August 17, 2017 9:27 am

      @ eaglesoars:
      The progressive snowflakes need to be slapped around before they get real.


    78. lobo91
      89 | August 17, 2017 9:38 am

      Atlanta’s Peace Monument, Desecrated By Protesters, Champions Unity, Not The Confederacy

      Protesters took to the streets in Atlanta and elsewhere Sunday night, outraged over the violence in Charlottesville, where a “Unite the Right” rally clashed with counter protesters. Heather Heyer, 32, was killed when a car plowed through a group of pedestrians. James Alex Fields Jr., 20, a failed military aspirant whose former high school teacher said he was “fascinated with Nazism” and “idolized Adolf Hitler,” was charged with second-degree murder and was denied bond on Monday.

      The Atlanta march traveled from Woodruff Park to Piedmont Park Sunday, where some damaged the Peace Monument, erected in 1911. The sculpture features an angel standing above a Confederate soldier, guiding him to lay down his weapon.

      “I completely understand what happened,” said Thornton Kennedy, a sixth generation Atlantanwho has taken his children to visit it many times to explain Atlanta’s history. “It’s a statue that, to the observer, looks like a Confederate memorial.”

      But it was erected to champion unity, not venerate the Confederacy.

      Idiots


    79. darkwords
      90 | August 17, 2017 9:41 am

      I imagine that there is a sizeable workforce in the U.S. that would cement a brick into a wall for free. But alas I seem to prefer chain gang labor made of media pundits wrong in the 2016 election.


    80. rain of lead
      91 | August 17, 2017 10:11 am

      MEDIC!!!!

      “At an age when he could be playing with his grandchildren, he’s glued to social media like a slot machine junkie in Reno.”

      http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/16/like-a-slot-machine-junkie-in-reno-tucker-unloads-on-bill-kristol-after-kristols-cheap-shot/


    81. 92 | August 17, 2017 2:04 pm

      Trump’s response to Charlottesville wasn’t as strong as it could have been. I know, nothing he could have said would have satisfied the left, but it could have been better.


    82. Buckeye Abroad
      93 | August 17, 2017 2:36 pm

      rain of lead wrote:

      morning y’all

      what fresh hell does today bring?

      13 dead in Barcelona and counting.


    83. eaglesoars
      94 | August 17, 2017 2:40 pm

      @ right_wing2:

      When did POTUS don the mantle of National Healer when some protected class finds a fucking hangnail? I missed the memo. Yesterday I watched 2 black men and 2 white women, all pundits of some sort, weep on national television because they were so ‘hurt’. What total crap. They need therapy, not solace.

      This is self-induced mass psychosis that doesn’t have a damn thing to do with Trump and everything to do with belonging to the hive of Penitent Purity.

      A couple hundred dork losers dressed up in cardboard uniforms with stick weapons were bused in from out of state to play gladiator. Somebody smacked a car with a stick, the driver, who has been on anti-psychotic meds for at least 4 yrs, hit the gas and plowed into people. One of whom he killed. That is a sad tragedy. In no way is there any inherent social or political import to it. None, nada, zilch. That every influence peddler in the known universe is trying to tell the story as though there is doesn’t make it so. THAT is the only reason for the attempt to give such weight to what Trump did or did not say, because the reality is smoke.

      So I don’t give a monkey’s butt what Trump did or didn’t say about an incident that is going to fade from memory with the arrival of the next target, which should be in about a week, given recent history.


    84. rain of lead
      95 | August 17, 2017 3:07 pm

      Can we stop calling the GOP Party the “Stupid Party” now, and start calling them the “Quisling Party?


    85. rain of lead
      97 | August 17, 2017 3:40 pm

      what the fuck is going on with Tn politicians

      https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sen-corker-says-trump-has-not-demonstrated-stability/


    86. 98 | August 17, 2017 5:10 pm

      rain of lead wrote:

      what the fuck is going on with Tn politicians

      https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sen-corker-says-trump-has-not-demonstrated-stability/

      Not a God Damned thing. You are just now seeing them for who they really always have been.


    87. rain of lead
      99 | August 17, 2017 5:27 pm

      @ doriangrey:

      nah, I’ve always known that Corker was a globalist jackass


    88. coldwarrior
      100 | August 17, 2017 5:46 pm

      this is all the same crap that got re-elected in a LANDSLIDE…

      juss sayin…


    89. coldwarrior
      101 | August 17, 2017 5:48 pm

      …and salt mines…..4 more nights to go and then its eclipse and steak day…then first day of school evah for the twins.

      …the days trudge on while the years fly past…


    90. rain of lead
      102 | August 17, 2017 5:49 pm

      …the days trudge on while the years fly past…

      So. Much. Truth.


    91. rain of lead
      103 | August 17, 2017 5:54 pm

      skynet was last seen rolling around on the floor laughing hysterically

      https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/4262775/scientists-create-terminator-style-immortal-robot-with-self-healing-flesh/


    92. 105 | August 17, 2017 7:09 pm

      @ right_wing2:
      A simple statement like ‘The idea of racial supremacy is has been discredited, and has no place in Americ’ lets the white supremacists know that no matter what they think, Trump isn’t on their side.


    93. lobo91
      106 | August 17, 2017 7:38 pm

      Hit List: CNN Publishes Map of Confederate Monuments in U.S.

      CNN posted a map on August 17 showing the location of approximately 1,500 Confederate monuments and/or official symbols in the U.S.

      The map will, no-doubt, serve as a hit-list for the frenzied Workers World Party members and others seeking the removal and destruction of Confederate statues in city after city across America.

      CNN reports, “Roughly 1,500 Confederate symbols still exist on public land more than 150 years after the conclusion of the Civil War.” It explains that 718 of the Confederate symbols are “monuments and statutes.”


    94. 107 | August 17, 2017 7:47 pm

      You could have some fun with these calls to tear down statues and monuments to Jefferson, Washington, Lee and others. Levin just suggested doing the same to statues of FDR for the internment of Japanese during WWII. I’m sure there are plenty of other liberal icons who fall short of perfection, too.


    95. eaglesoars
      108 | August 17, 2017 7:52 pm

      right_wing2 wrote:

      plenty of other liberal icons who fall short of perfection, too.

      Margaret Sanger


    96. lobo91
      109 | August 17, 2017 7:53 pm

      @ right_wing2:

      There’s a statue of Robert Byrd in the Capitol.

      Not to mention about 100 things named for him in WV.


    97. Aussie Infidel
      112 | August 17, 2017 8:40 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      right_wing2 wrote:

      plenty of other liberal icons who fall short of perfection, too.

      Margaret Sanger

      + 200 grams of C-4 explosive to the statue in the dead of night.

      Gone in a thousand different directions

      🙂

      Two can play the lets destroy all historical perspective game but that just leads to pissed off folks and lots of rubble as well as ignorant children,

      Oh I forgot that that is the whole aim of the destruction of history!

      An ignorant population is a manipulatable population.


    98. Aussie Infidel
      113 | August 17, 2017 8:43 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Not kidding….@wolfblitzer just said the Barcelona attack is a “copycat” of the Charlottesville attack.

      Blitzer is NOT a moron. He’s playing the Progressive language manipulation game to engender civil unrest. That seems to be the current Progressive plan at the moment. Stir civil unrest.

      Be careful what you wish for Wolf, as it might just bite you personally in your arse.

      🙂


    99. lobo91
      114 | August 17, 2017 8:43 pm

      New Orleans’ Joan Of Arc Statue Vandalized With ‘Take It Down’

      Another day, yet another statue of a military hero is reportedly under fire. This figure astride a horse was vandalized with the spray-painted words “Tear It Down”.

      Who was this historical figure? General Lee? Stonewall Jackson? Nathan Bedford Forrest?

      No, this was a figure who hails from the north.

      Of France:

      The phrase “Tear it Down” was hastily sprayed in black paint across the base of the golden Joan of Arc statue on Decatur Street in the French Quarter sometime earlier this week. It has since been removed, with only the vaguest traces of the paint remaining.

      The “Tear it Down” tag would seem to relate to the debate surrounding the city’s ongoing removal of four Confederate monuments. But the statue of Joan of Arc, a 15th-century military leader, martyr and Catholic saint, hasn’t been mentioned in the controversy to this point.

      Amy Kirk Duvoisin, the founder of the annual Joan of Arc parade that ceremonially pauses at the statue on the first day of Carnival season, says she’s confused by the vandalism.

      “Surely, people realize she’s not related to American history,” she said referring to the French icon.


    100. Aussie Infidel
      115 | August 17, 2017 8:45 pm

      @ eaglesoars:
      Apologies Eagles for not sending the ‘Pass Along’ Janes form.

      IT Problems with my e-mailer addy book and now my scanner wants to play non-cooperation games with me. I’ll go to a copy store and get them to scan the form and dump it onto a thumb drive and then I can send it to Cold and he can send it to you.

      🙂


    101. eaglesoars
      116 | August 17, 2017 8:46 pm

      lobo91 wrote:

      “Surely, people realize she’s not related to American history,” she said referring to the French icon.

      I’m afraid Ms. Duvoisin is about to find out nobody gives a shit about the statue, as long as it can be spray painted.


    102. Aussie Infidel
      117 | August 17, 2017 8:48 pm

      @ lobo91:
      CNN is making a very tempting target of itself!

      Think all of those unguarded data transmission and video feet cables all unguarded and vulnerable


    103. eaglesoars
      118 | August 17, 2017 8:48 pm

      @ Aussie Infidel:

      no worries, I’m somehow managing to keep busy.

      Looking for a new puppy for one thing. This house needs some mayhem.


    104. Aussie Infidel
      119 | August 17, 2017 8:51 pm

      @ eaglesoars:
      Actually that is just another hate stream bubbling to the surface. Check the spray painter and you’d find an anti- catholic radical.

      Ho hum!

      There are haters aplenty out these in scary US land

      🙂


    105. Aussie Infidel
      120 | August 17, 2017 8:52 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      @ Aussie Infidel:

      no worries, I’m somehow managing to keep busy.

      Looking for a new puppy for one thing. This house needs some mayhem.

      Mayhem is always a good thing. Innovative stuff comes from a little well placed mayhem!

      🙂


    106. AZfederalist
      121 | August 17, 2017 8:55 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Not kidding….@wolfblitzer just said the Barcelona attack is a “copycat” of the Charlottesville attack.

      Not the sharpest tool in the shed. Charlottesville was not the first vehicle attack. But then, the whole idea is to advance a narrative. A year from now, they will still be comparing the Charlottesville attack to the latest muslim vehicle attack.


    107. eaglesoars
      122 | August 17, 2017 8:57 pm

      AZfederalist wrote:

      Not the sharpest tool in the shed.

      he’s not stupid, somebody just did a price-discovery on his ass


    108. lobo91
      123 | August 17, 2017 8:59 pm

      Well, at least we’ll have something to keep us entertained while the idiots are tearing down statues. Season 1 of The Defenders hits Netflix tomorrow:


    109. RIX
      124 | August 17, 2017 9:04 pm

      http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/08/missouri-state-senator-calls-assassination-potus-trump-facebook/
      @ Gateway Pundit
      Mizzou State Senator calls for assasination of the President on Facebook.
      These idiots are playing with fire.


    110. lobo91
      125 | August 17, 2017 9:08 pm

      @ RIX:

      Missouri Senator: ‘There’s No Way In Hell That I’m Resigning’

      Missouri senator Maria Chappelle-Nadal says she will not wilt to the political leaders who are calling for a resignation.

      Chappelle-Nadal told KMOX’s Carol Daniel, “There is no way in hell that I’m resigning. There are legislators who have cheated on their wives, they have smoked in the legislature, in the state capitol. If they have not been asked to resign for those acts, which I do believe that cheating on your wife or your spouse is immoral, I am not resigning for a mistake that I made and that I’m owning up to.”

      In a statement issued Thursday, Missouri Democratic Party Chair Stephen Webber called for her resignation.

      “State Senator Chappelle-Nadal’s comments are indefensible. All sides need to agree that there is no room for suggestions of political violence in America – and the Missouri Democratic Party will absolutely not tolerate calls for the assassination of the President. I believe she should resign,” Webber said.

      U.S. Senator Claire McCaskill agrees. In a statement released Thursday afternoon, McCaskill stated, “I condemn it. It’s outrageous. And she should resign.”[…]

      KMOX’s Carol Daniel asked Chappelle-Nadal if she was going to apologize for her comments. Chappelle-Nadal replied, “When the President apologizes, I’ll apologize. I’m not apologizing for being frustrated and angry at the bigot that we have in our White House.”


    111. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      126 | August 17, 2017 9:17 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Not kidding….@wolfblitzer just said the Barcelona attack is a “copycat” of the Charlottesville attack.

      That takes a special kind of stupid.


    112. lobo91
      127 | August 17, 2017 9:18 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Not kidding….@wolfblitzer just said the Barcelona attack is a “copycat” of the Charlottesville attack.

      They have Confederate statues in Spain?


    113. RIX
      128 | August 17, 2017 9:26 pm

      @ lobo91:
      This is a deep thinker. She equates calling for the assiisnation of the President of the United States with
      filandering and firing up a cigarette in the State House?


    114. Calo
      129 | August 17, 2017 9:27 pm

      @ lobo91:
      Hah! Ok, that was funny.


    115. RIX
      130 | August 17, 2017 9:28 pm

      lobo91 wrote:

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Not kidding….@wolfblitzer just said the Barcelona attack is a “copycat” of the Charlottesville attack.

      They have Confederate statues in Spain?

      Of course, there is a statue dedicated to Roberto Ediuardo Lee de la Mancha.


    116. Calo
      131 | August 17, 2017 9:42 pm

      New post up by Mr Bunk. Complete, with a cartoon strip.


    117. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      132 | August 17, 2017 9:43 pm

      lobo91 wrote:

      @ RIX:

      Missouri Senator: ‘There’s No Way In Hell That I’m Resigning’

      Missouri senator Maria Chappelle-Nadal says she will not wilt to the political leaders who are calling for a resignation.

      Chappelle-Nadal told KMOX’s Carol Daniel, “There is no way in hell that I’m resigning. There are legislators who have cheated on their wives, they have smoked in the legislature, in the state capitol. If they have not been asked to resign for those acts, which I do believe that cheating on your wife or your spouse is immoral, I am not resigning for a mistake that I made and that I’m owning up to.”

      In a statement issued Thursday, Missouri Democratic Party Chair Stephen Webber called for her resignation.

      “State Senator Chappelle-Nadal’s comments are indefensible. All sides need to agree that there is no room for suggestions of political violence in America – and the Missouri Democratic Party will absolutely not tolerate calls for the assassination of the President. I believe she should resign,” Webber said.

      U.S. Senator Claire McCaskill agrees. In a statement released Thursday afternoon, McCaskill stated, “I condemn it. It’s outrageous. And she should resign.”[…]

      KMOX’s Carol Daniel asked Chappelle-Nadal if she was going to apologize for her comments. Chappelle-Nadal replied, “When the President apologizes, I’ll apologize. I’m not apologizing for being frustrated and angry at the bigot that we have in our White House.”

      She shows her level of insanity by equating smoking with infidelity. She needs intense psychotherapy. Preferably early 1900’s variety.


    118. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      133 | August 17, 2017 10:05 pm

      Two majorly anti-jihad books are free on Amazon right now.

      https://www.amazon.com/dp/B015YJ0AD8/?ie=UTF8&link_code=as3&camp=211163&creative=375279&creativeASIN=B015YJ0AD8&tag=false

      https://www.amazon.com/Caliphate-Tom-Kratman-ebook/dp/B00ARPJDLA/ref=sr_1_2?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1503021693&sr=1-2&keywords=caliphate

      One is a comic called The Infidel: Featuring Pigman #1 The Trigger.

      The second is Caliphate by Tom Kratman whom some of you may remember from the swamp way back when. Tom’s State of Disobedience is also free right now. Haven’t read that one yet, but it looks interesting.

      https://www.amazon.com/State-Disobedience-Tom-Kratman-ebook/dp/B00AP9CO4G/ref=la_B001IXNZFA_1_15?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1503021886&sr=1-15&refinements=p_82%3AB001IXNZFA


    119. AZfederalist
      134 | August 17, 2017 10:50 pm

      lobo91 wrote:

      they have smoked in the legislature, in the state capitol.

      Wait. What? Smoking in the legislature is equivalent to cheating on one’s spouse or calling for the assassination of the president (a crime by the way)? How old is this snotflake?


    120. Guggi
      135 | August 18, 2017 6:44 am

      They act like the Taliban in Afghanistan. “Tear those evil statues down”

      Buddhas of Bamiyan

      Another perfect example for the ideological comparability of radical left with radical Islam.


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