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St Patrick’s Weekend 2018 Open

by coldwarrior ( 71 Comments › )
Filed under History, Open thread at March 17th, 2018 - 8:10 pm

Sorry this was late,

 

UP THE REPUBLIC!

 

 

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71 Responses to “St Patrick’s Weekend 2018 Open”
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  1. RIX
    1 | March 17, 2018 8:42 pm

    Loyola of Chicago has just beat beat Tennessee and move on to the Sweet 16.Yeah baby!


  2. coldwarrior
    2 | March 17, 2018 8:44 pm

    RIX wrote:

    Loyola of Chicago has just beat beat Tennessee and move on to the Sweet 16.Yeah baby!

    my schedule is so effed up that i wont get to see, and havent got see any of the hoops.

    🙁


  3. coldwarrior
    4 | March 17, 2018 8:50 pm

    stinkin’ salt mines….


  4. Aussie Infidel
    5 | March 17, 2018 8:52 pm

    An Islamist, a Communist, and a traitor walk into an Irish bar….

    Bartender says, “What can I get you, Mr. Brennan?”

    Brennan needs to be NEXT!

    🙂


  5. RIX
    6 | March 17, 2018 8:52 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    Loyola of Chicago has just beat beat Tennessee and move on to the Sweet 16.Yeah baby!

    my schedule is so effed up that i wont get to see, and havent got see any of the hoops.

    Everybody’s brackets are broken, UMBC beats Virginia! Say what? That came out of nowhere.


  6. Aussie Infidel
    7 | March 17, 2018 8:53 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    Did you get my inquiry about that additional couple of translations the other day mate. If your good lady can’t or doesn’t want to let me know and I’ll tell Andrew C not to send any more.

    🙂


  7. RIX
    8 | March 17, 2018 8:55 pm

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORifieiZiP4
    Come Out Ye Black & Tans, Wolfe Tones.


  8. coldwarrior
    9 | March 17, 2018 8:56 pm

    Aussie Infidel wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Did you get my inquiry about that additional couple of translations the other day mate. If your good lady can’t or doesn’t want to let me know and I’ll tell Andrew C not to send any more.

    i did, will have it by friday.


  9. lobo91
    10 | March 17, 2018 9:06 pm

    Why McCabe’s Response To His Firing Just Made Life Tough For Comey And Could Finally End Mueller Probe

    Former FBI deputy director Andrew McCabe wasted little time declaring that he was a victim after being fired late Friday, claiming that he was “singled out. He pointed to an “unrelenting assault” on his reputation, to include tweets from President Trump that have “exacerbated it all.”

    But in building a case for himself, McCabe just made life a lot tough for former FBI director James Comey and Special Counsel Robert Mueller.

    At least, that’s according to Jonathan Turley, professor of law at George Washington University Law School.

    In an op-ed run Saturday by The Hill, Turley pointed to a line in McCabe’s statement criticizing his termination “that could be viewed as incriminating fired FBI director James Comey, not just in leaking sensitive information but also in lying to Congress.”

    McCabe commented on leaking information to a former Wall Street Journal reporter about the investigation of Hillary Clinton and the Clinton Foundation, saying he was authorized to “share” the information and did so with the knowledge of “the director,” which would have been Comey at the time.

    Turley explained why this is “problematic”:

    If the “interaction” means leaking the information, then McCabe’s statement would seem to directly contradict statements Comey made in a May 2017 congressional hearing. Asked if he had “ever been an anonymous source in news reports about matters relating to the Trump investigation or the Clinton investigation” or whether he had “ever authorized someone else at the FBI to be an anonymous source in news reports about the Trump investigation or the Clinton investigation,” Comey replied “never” and “no.”


  10. RIX
    11 | March 17, 2018 9:11 pm

    @ lobo91:
    Comey should be locked up, but he is a deep state oligarch, somI doubt that will happen.


  11. 12 | March 17, 2018 9:30 pm

    @ RIX:

    If AG Sessions is not part of the Deep State coup d’etat attempt, then Comey will end up in prison.


  12. RIX
    13 | March 17, 2018 9:39 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    @ RIX:

    If AG Sessions is not part of the Deep State coup d’etat attempt, then Comey will end up in prison.

    That is where he belongs. Now he is doing a book tour.


  13. Aussie Infidel
    14 | March 17, 2018 9:51 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Aussie Infidel wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:
    Did you get my inquiry about that additional couple of translations the other day mate. If your good lady can’t or doesn’t want to let me know and I’ll tell Andrew C not to send any more.

    i did, will have it by friday.

    Thanks mate and please thank your good lady.

    P

    🙂


  14. Aussie Infidel
  15. eaglesoars
    16 | March 17, 2018 10:01 pm

    Aussie Infidel wrote:

    https://cofda.wordpress.com/2015/08/26/cia-director-john-brennan-is-a-muslim-convert/

    Brennan! A Wahabbist?

    CIA stations don’t stamp visas


  16. eaglesoars
    17 | March 17, 2018 10:06 pm

    @ Aussie Infidel:

    He did storm out of the Washington Times interview when Islam came up. Interesting transcript

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2010/aug/23/wh-counter-terrorism-adviser-brennan-storms-out-tw/


  17. lobo91
    18 | March 17, 2018 10:18 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    CIA stations don’t stamp visas

    Good catch


  18. 4_Sticks
    19 | March 17, 2018 11:20 pm

    @ RIX:

    ‘James Comey warns Trump: The American people will ‘soon’ be able to judge ‘who is honorable and who is not’

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/james-comey-warns-trump-the-american-people-will-soon-be-able-judge-who-is-honorable-and-who-is-not

    Here we go. Oh, and:

    “May those who love us …
    May those who love us, love us;
    And for those who don’t love us,
    May God turn their hearts;
    And if He doesn’t turn their hearts,
    May He turn their ankles,
    So we will know them by their limping!”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qwu5OGxfi8

    Just sayin’ …
    ——————————————–
    Happy St. Patrick’s Day to one and all !!


  19. Deplorable Bumr50
    20 | March 17, 2018 11:27 pm

    4_Sticks wrote:

    The American people will ‘soon’ be able to judge ‘who is honorable and who is not’

    “After they buy my book.”


  20. darkwords
    21 | March 17, 2018 11:29 pm

    @ Aussie Infidel:
    Good one. I do think there is a high pitched sound about created by guilty Obama minions. Need to make them sing.


  21. Deplorable Bumr50
    22 | March 18, 2018 1:04 am


  22. eaglesoars
    23 | March 18, 2018 8:32 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:

    CIA stations don’t stamp visas

    Good catch

    and it’s spelled ‘Jeddah’. For all I know – or these clowns for that matter – there was no CIA station in Jeddah back then. The capital is Riyadh


  23. eaglesoars
    24 | March 18, 2018 8:50 am

    Here’s an interesting piece by Clarice Feldman about the McCabe thing. “Lacking Candor” = perjury.

    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/03/if_you_are_a_fed_official_perjury_is_lacking_candor.html

    There’s a more interesting comment from Chappaquiddick Olympian:

    The most interesting item to be revealed in this turn of events was that Judge Contreras was appointed to the FISA court May 19, 2016. Why is that?

    Because Donald Trump clinched the nomination on May 26, 2016. Nellie Hauke Ohr, spouse of DOJ top official, Bruce Ohr, received her ham radio license on May 20, 2016.

    James Comey wrote the HRC exoneration memo in May 2016, months before she was interviewed in July 2016.

    May 2016 appears to be the pivotal month in which the plot began to unfold to undermine a federal election because that’s precisely what occurred with this cast of characters.

    This entire situation should be reviewed by a grand jury, not a special prosecutor but either way the circumstances for indicting this entire cast of miscreants including Mueller should be easy to make.

    Why Mueller? It’s obvious now he was tipped off by Comey about Strzok’s illegal activities and that’s why Mueller needed him on his team. Remember, Mueller and Comey are also attorneys and have an obligation to report illegal activity and can be disbarred for not doing so.

    Mueller only removed Strzok from the investigation after IG Horowitz notified Mueller about Strzok’s illicit texts which revealed the entire plot.

    By not indicting Strzok, Mueller is guilty of obstructing justice and so is Comey.

    At this point the plot is obvious and the only question that remains is will Linda Page flash those big white teeth when she’s perp walked?


  24. eaglesoars
    25 | March 18, 2018 8:51 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    oh, h/t Pink Freud, she says ‘hey’


  25. RIX
    26 | March 18, 2018 9:30 am

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/03/matt-drudge-reminds-us-robert-mueller-hardly-saint/
    @ Gateway Pundit
    Good morning. Matt Drudge reminds why Muller is a vindictive witch hunter.
    Shut this fraud down. I have spoken.


  26. eaglesoars
    27 | March 18, 2018 9:34 am

    @ RIX:

    not only that. I think Mueller was in charge when it was closed as ‘solved’ – because the person they were after – a scientist who knew how to aerosolize it – committed suicide. How convenient.

    And Mueller is also the guy who oversaw the ‘cleansing’ of FBI manuals of ‘Islamophobic’ tilts.


  27. RIX
    28 | March 18, 2018 9:45 am

    @ eaglesoars:
    I know that it would cause Lib and Media outrage, but it is time to shut Muller down.
    He is nothing but a deep state oligarch.


  28. eaglesoars
    29 | March 18, 2018 9:53 am

    @ RIX:

    I’m of 2 minds about it (like I’ve got one to spare, I know). Somehow, hope simmers that Mueller runs out the rope and hangs himself. Someone said ‘for justice to be done, it must be SEEN to be done’. It would be the best outcome if this became so obviously corrupt that only the most rabid could deny it and the demand for fairness came from more than Trump tweets.


  29. RIX
    30 | March 18, 2018 10:09 am

    @ eaglesoars:
    I hear that but it is clear that Muller wants a scalp. He will veer of the original purpose of the investigation and
    try to get somebody for something,peferably Trump.
    At this point I think that it is clear that the goal is to stopTrump from functioning and remove him.
    This is an attempt at a coup d’ etat. The way that they deflect that is to ridicule anybody who points that out.


  30. RIX
    32 | March 18, 2018 11:26 am

    @ doriangrey:
    Imo Oscar has got it. But Deep State oligarchs project the franchise. The corruption goes deeper than I ever suspected. What I am waiting for are some FBI agents to get whistler blower protection and spill their guts.
    You just know that the field agents are pissed over Comey, McCabe and Strock antics.


  31. 33 | March 18, 2018 11:35 am

    @ RIX:

    ROTFLMAO… I am Oscar…


  32. RIX
    34 | March 18, 2018 11:46 am

    doriangrey wrote:

    @ RIX:

    ROTFLMAO… I am Oscar…

    Then Dorian is right


  33. lobo91
    35 | March 18, 2018 11:58 am

    Former Asst. FBI Director: Brennan and Obama were Committing Felonies… Not General Flynn (VIDEO)

    Former FBI Assistant Director James Kallstrom told Maria Bartiromo on Sunday Morning Futures that there was likely a “big sigh of relief” after Andrew McCabe was fired on Friday.

    Kallstrom went on to tell Maria Bartiromo that John Brennan and Barack Obama were the ones who committed the felonies and not General Flynn:

    James Kallstrom: My sources tell me [Brennan] was leaking almost weekly or daily, and he was taking that bunch of phony crap supposedly from Russia, and peddling that through the Congress and the media, he was one of the active people. I’ve known him a long time and I think he’s involved, and quite frankly, I think it goes right to the top, quite frankly.

    Maria Bartiromo: To President Obama?

    James Kallstrom: It goes right to the top, and it involves that whole strategy. They were going to win [the 2016 election], nobody would ever know this stuff, and they just unleashed the intelligence community. Look at the unmaskings? We haven’t even heard about that yet. Look at the way they violated the rights of these American citizens?… I hope Gen. Flynn sues a lot of people, because he was handled so bad… He didn’t lie to the FBI. They didn’t even interview him about a crime. They are the people who committed felonies, not the General.


  34. RIX
    36 | March 18, 2018 12:05 pm

    N.O Mayor Mitch Landreu was just on with Stephanapolous for an interview. These two were in rare form.
    George called the Trump era “dark times” Landreu compared Trump to David Duke. He also said that Trump
    supporters are listening to their. “darker angels” But they don’t use hyperbole and smears at all./


  35. Deplorable Bumr50
    37 | March 18, 2018 3:49 pm

    This guy is trying to get of rid of our slug of a GOP State Senator, and I think I want to help him.

    Never really got involved in a campaign before.

    https://www.shaffer4pa.com/


  36. 38 | March 18, 2018 6:23 pm

    @ Deplorable Bumr50:
    Looks like a good choice.


  37. RIX
    39 | March 18, 2018 7:34 pm

    https://thegatewaypundit.us17.list-manage.com/track/click?u=a1f9b29171f5fb45edb2520ae&id=b0e64eada1&e=d43a186674
    @ Gateway Pundit
    Marco Rubio is a swamp creature, nothing more or less.


  38. lobo91
  39. lobo91
    41 | March 18, 2018 8:45 pm

    Eric Holder Sends Ominous Warning to Deep State DOJ and FBI Officials ‘Be Prepared It’s Going to Get Worse’

    Former Attorney General Eric ‘Fast and Furious’ Holder sent an ominous message to Deep State DOJ and FBI officials on Sunday.

    Eric Holder isn’t taking the news of McCabe’s firing well. He knows he’s next.

    Holder tweeted: I said about 8 months ago that the actions and integrity of the men & women at DOJ/FBI would be unfairly questioned. It’s happening. And it will get worse. Be prepared, be strong. You have the support of millions committed to truth, justice and the defense of this nation

    Eric Holder is referring to a midnight tweet he sent out June 30th, 2017 warning career FBI and DOJ employees to ‘be prepared and stay strong.’

    Attorney General Sessions’ decision to fire Andrew McCabe had nothing to do with President Trump.

    As TGP’s Kristinn Taylor reported, Fox News’ Adam Housley said that the Inspector General-Office of Professional Responsibility report had uncovered “tons of stuff” on McCabe unrelated to the Trump investigation and that McCabe’s firing was a morale boost to FBI agents.

    Adam Housley also reported the investigation into McCabe was not political and it started BEFORE Trump became president.

    Housley also confirmed this had nothing to do with Trump’s tweets or Nunes’ memo and said much more will be revealed in the much-anticipated IG report which will be released shortly.


  40. RIX
    42 | March 18, 2018 8:53 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ RIX:

    And then there’s the truth:

    Gowdy: Wasn’t GOP Or Trump Who Recommended McCabe Be Fired, It Was His Own Fellow Agents

    That keeps getting left out of news reports. The truth is apparenty hateful if it is at odds with the narrative.


  41. rain of lead
    43 | March 18, 2018 9:04 pm

    so in other news
    the girl and I just got back from watching Tomb Raider
    the lara croft reboot movie based on the game by the same name

    DAMN GREAT popcorn movie
    CW, ya gotta take the girls to see it

    here is the trailer for the game

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xH66YdKR-rw

    and here is the trailer for the movie

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ndhidEmUbI

    it was so very well done


  42. eaglesoars
    44 | March 18, 2018 9:06 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Adam Housley also reported the investigation into McCabe was not political and it started BEFORE Trump became president.

    I missed that part.

    There’s a new show on Fox on Sunday’s at 8 pm called Wise Guys. It got torpedoed for awhile because Steve Wynn was one of the original Wise Guys but it’s back – with the very classy Maria Bartaromo.

    Anyhoo, Oliver North is one of the WG and he was talking about something keeping people up at night. Swarming drones, controlled by AI, too many to take out, carrying as little as 2 grams of explosives, can penetrate helmets, flak vests, etc.

    good thing I can sleep thru just about anything.


  43. rain of lead
    45 | March 18, 2018 9:16 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    this is what Ollie was referring to

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlO2gcs1YvM


  44. rain of lead
    46 | March 18, 2018 9:20 pm

    and this

    SCIFI Weapons That Actually EXIST!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REi8y34Y8Bc


  45. RIX
    48 | March 18, 2018 10:11 pm

    UMBC loses to K State. They played hard & hung tough. No matter what they made history a 16 knocking offf
    a 1.


  46. eaglesoars
    49 | March 18, 2018 10:39 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    https://twitter.com/OscarWildeGrey/status/975550910033047553

    love to see the contributor list on that one.


  47. eaglesoars
    50 | March 18, 2018 10:44 pm

    The Rothschilds control the climate. According to a D.C. council member by the name of Trayon White

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/dc-lawmaker-says-recent-snowfall-caused-byrothschilds-controlling-the-climate/2018/03/18/daeb0eae-2ae0-11e8-911f-ca7f68bff0fc_story.html?utm_term=.fe52591d4c5c

    I got past the paywall using google


  48. eaglesoars
    51 | March 18, 2018 10:45 pm

    rain of lead wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:

    this is what Ollie was referring to

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlO2gcs1YvM

    I got nuthin’


  49. coldwarrior
    52 | March 18, 2018 10:46 pm

    methinks the worm is turning.


  50. eaglesoars
    53 | March 18, 2018 10:54 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    methinks the worm is turning.

    snow on Tuesday, crap on Weds.


  51. eaglesoars
    54 | March 18, 2018 10:57 pm

    oh goody

    Diversity Fail? All-Women Engineering Team Blamed for Collapse of Miami Pedestrian Bridge

    http://sandrarose.com/2018/03/diversity-fail-women-engineering-team-behind-collapse-miami-pedestrian-bridge/


  52. rain of lead
    55 | March 18, 2018 10:59 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    lets see how fast that story gets squashed into the ground


  53. eaglesoars
    56 | March 18, 2018 11:03 pm

    Interesting piece on how Erdogan/Turkey has managed to destroy its own air force

    http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/how-turkey-destroyed-its-own-air-force-24942


  54. eaglesoars
    57 | March 18, 2018 11:06 pm

    rain of lead wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:

    lets see how fast that story gets squashed into the ground

    to be fair, it seems there was a problem with the installation (and not the design). The center support and cables hadn’t been placed yet. The phone call that wasn’t picked up advising about cracks is also about implementation.

    OTOH, this company seems to have a history of engineering fuck ups, so I dunno


  55. eaglesoars
    58 | March 18, 2018 11:51 pm

    There’s been another bombing in Austin

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5516859/Two-injured-Austin-explosion.html

    bedtime, nite


  56. 59 | March 19, 2018 12:03 am

    @ eaglesoars:
    The people building the bridge wanted it to fail because women had designed it. It’s all because of sexism .

    ////


  57. coldwarrior
    60 | March 19, 2018 2:25 am

    @ eaglesoars:
    math


  58. eaglesoars
    61 | March 19, 2018 8:30 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    math

    *Disclaimer: This assumes the flaw is in the design, not construction

    YES. There are some women really good at math, but as a percentage of the female population, not nearly as many as there are men really good at math.

    I can’t use myself as an example, because I had other developmental oddities (synesthesia, etc.) that interfered with how I understood lots of things compared to how the establishment THOUGHT I should.

    But we know female brains are physically different from males’ and we see the differences in performance in numerical, spatial and verbal. Yet math is taught to female brains in the exact same manner as it’s taught to male brains. Square peg, round hole. Women are certainly capable of understanding the stuff, but in my observational experience, the lights go on later, when the curriculum has passed them by. I suspect different teaching approaches may be helpful.


  59. 62 | March 19, 2018 8:36 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    math

    There is a reason that the math in structural engineering is so damned hard… This is it. Get it wrong, and people die.


  60. 63 | March 19, 2018 8:54 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    Its funny how straight forward and simple, yet amazing complicated and difficult the equations in structural engineering are. From what I have heard so far, I am pretty sure that the “Engineers” involved in that bridge violated at least one of structural engineering sacrosanct laws. Triple redundancy of structural support.

    Because there have been so many structural collapses of structures that resulted in multiple deaths due to the engineer relying on only 1 or 2 structural support devices it has become pretty much religious canon that any structure that will involve regular constant human traffic must have a triple redundant structural reinforcement element, and those elements may not be interdependent.

    Most structural building codes allow an engineer to rely on only 2 which may be interdependent and it sounds as if this is why this structure failed. Using only 2 with the secondary element being interdependent on the first is a highly controversial “Cost cutting/saving” technique that most engineers consider a unacceptable practice.


  61. 64 | March 19, 2018 9:02 am

    @ doriangrey:

    Oh, and on a bridge, that triple redundancy is usually a combination of, 1) the compressive strength of the concrete, 2) the tensile strength of the steel reinforcement, and 3) the diameter and distance of the structural colonnade support (this is predicated on what is known as great circle arc support its how the Romans used to support their bridges).


  62. eaglesoars
    65 | March 19, 2018 9:13 am

    doriangrey wrote:

    a triple redundant structural reinforcement element, and those elements may not be interdependent.

    Yes. (I dated an arch. eng. student). But my understanding in this case is that those redundant elements – cables and center support column – had not yet been installed. If that report is correct, then the redundancies were part of the structure as designed, something went wrong with the construction/implementation.


  63. 66 | March 19, 2018 9:34 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    cables and center support column – had not yet been installed.

    Those are known as interdependent support elements, and relying on them is strictly verboten. They are verboten because if the structural element they are dependent on fails, they automatically fail as well.

    Remember, this bridge was not a cable stay bridge. In a cable stay, the cables work to provide one of the primary structural support elements, they are the “Great circle arcs” in the bridges support.

    Great circle arc supports are called great circle arcs, because if you take the arc in question and draw a circle using that arc, 30% of that circle has to be within the arc in question. More or less of the circle in the arc and the arc is no longer providing structural support. It has to do with how gravity pulls down on the arc and the material strength of the arcs resists gravity.

    They are extremely stable because side a) and side b) of the arc have equal and opposing force acting on the key stone of the arc. At greater than or less than 30% of the great circle the forces are not equal and opposing and they create multiple failure points where load builds up and compromises the structural integrity of the structure.


  64. eaglesoars
    67 | March 19, 2018 9:48 am

    doriangrey wrote:

    Remember, this bridge was not a cable stay bridge. In a cable stay,

    Oh, I didn’t understand that part, I thought it was/is. Then why even have them?


  65. 68 | March 19, 2018 11:16 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Then why even have them?

    That is exactly the question that the American Society of Civil Engineers is going to be asking.

    The answer is probably going to end up being… To reduce the cost of the bridge.

    Now, do not misunderstand me on this. Interdependent structural support has its place. That place however is and never should be as primary structural support. Its proper place is for secondary and tertiary external load conditions.

    In other words, primary support deals with gravity. Where as secondary support deals with ground movement and tertiary deals with atmospheric conditions (i.e. rain, snow, ice and wind).

    You every see the video footage of the Tacoma Narrows Bridge collapse? Its primary and secondary structural support was about as perfect as it could be. It had zero tertiary support. A constant 40mph wind caused it to sway and buckle to the point of complete catastrophic failure, they called it “Galloping Gertie” the harmonic oscillations were so bad.

    Less experienced and desperate engineers will sometimes attempt to use secondary or tertiary interdependent structural support elements in place of the more expensive primary support in order to cut corners on construction costs. Its a dangerous risk that more experienced engineers consider verboten.


  66. 69 | March 19, 2018 11:32 am

    @ doriangrey:

    Oh, BTW, there is a requirement on lateral support strength, and my guess, is that the bridge design used the bare minimum of lateral support required and was counting on the secondary and tertiary support to buttress the primary support.

    Don’t quote me on this, but if memory serves me correctly lateral support is required to be 5 times the maximum weight of materials plus expected maximum traffic load.

    Their primary lateral support was probably under that limit and they were counting on the secondary and tertiary support providing an excess greater than the lateral support requirement. That bridge should not have been opened for traffic until that secondary and or tertiary support was in place if that was the case.

    Remember, I am just speculating here, all I have seen are pictures of the bridge before and after and not the actual architectural blueprints. I could be completely wrong, it could be a case of substandard building materials, though, to be honest, that is relatively rare here in the US.

    I’m not sure that the public will ever hear the real reason why it collapsed, but you can pretty much bet that the architect/engineer, the construction supervisor and quiet possibly the building material supplier will all be hung out to dry on this.


  67. AZfederalist
    71 | March 19, 2018 9:10 pm

    doriangrey wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    math

    There is a reason that the math in structural engineering is so damned hard… This is it. Get it wrong, and people die.

    My high school counselor’s brother had his PhD in Civil Engineering. She told us that he had one class as an undergrad that everyone, and she meant everyone failed. the first time they took the class. The Prof’s reasoning was that if you become a doctor, you can only kill one patient at a time, if you screw up as a Civil Engineer, you can kill hundreds or thousands at a time.


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