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New NAFTA Deal With Mexico

by coldwarrior ( 79 Comments › )
Filed under Economy, Open thread at August 17th, 2018 - 5:00 am

https://pilotonline.com/business/consumer/article_599976db-fea0-540a-a95b-6e3e924fc1a0.html

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  1. rain of lead
    1 | August 17, 2018 6:19 am

    your links for this and the last post be broke as hell


  2. RIX
    2 | August 17, 2018 9:24 am

    https://thegatewaypundit.us17.list-manage.com/track/click?u=a1f9b29171f5fb45edb2520ae&id=f0299ff86a&e=d43a186674
    @ Gateway Pundit
    Good morning. Bill Krystal a swamp creature? Why yes he is.
    Steven Hsyes works for him and he was a speaker at a conference that I attended.
    In a brief conversation I said to him that his boss needed to get under control.
    He said nothing. Hey I am that way about the guy who signs my paycheck.


  3. RIX
    3 | August 17, 2018 9:25 am

    @ RIX:
    Steven Hayes


  4. eaglesoars
    4 | August 17, 2018 9:28 am

    @ RIX:

    I’m jealous. I would have asked him how he could call a man who knowingly jailed 4 innocent people, 2 of whom died in prison, ‘an honorable man’.

    forget where I saw it so no link, but looks like the Chinese are in town trying to work out some new trade deals.


  5. eaglesoars
    5 | August 17, 2018 9:54 am

    Oh, guess where Strzok got his FBI start? Boston. The same FBI office where Mueller worked, where the agents let the Boston bombers slip thru their net, etc.I wonder if he was the agent who decided to ignore the Russian’s warnings about the Tsaraev brothers.

    But it makes perfect sense that Mueller would want somebody from the Boston office to handle his frame-up, I mean investigation. Who knows more about railroaded people who didn’t commit a crime than the Boston FBI office?

    Just ask former U.S. District Court Judge Nancy Gertner. In 2003, she threatened to cite Mueller for contempt of court for his refusal to turn over exculpatory evidence when the wronged men sued. (She eventually awarded them $107 million.)

    “The position the FBI is taking is chilling,” she informed Mueller. “This Court is not remotely satisfied.”

    http://www.bostonherald.com/news/columnists/howie_carr/2018/08/howie_carr_peter_strzok_drank_that_dirty_water


  6. 6 | August 17, 2018 12:25 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    I keep having to put down Sidney Powell’s “Licensed to Lie” until my blood pressure returns to normal.


  7. 7 | August 17, 2018 12:33 pm

    The MSM: We only report the news – we are not partisan.
    Me: How many segments have you devoted to Assorama, whose “facts” are being called into question and who has been called a liar by just about everyone mentioned in her book?
    The MSM: We don’t keep track but we’re sure it’s at least 2o?
    Me: And how about Michael Wolfe, who had no attributable sources for his book?
    The MSM: Probably about the same.
    Me: So how many segments have you devoted to the researched, annotated and footnoted works by Sidney Powell in “Licensed to Lie” and Greg Jarrett in “The Russia Hoax”?
    The MSM: WHO?


  8. yenta-fada
    8 | August 17, 2018 12:41 pm

    Nafta linky

    https://pilotonline.com/business/consumer/article_599976db-fea0-540a-a95b-6e3e924fc1a0.html

    See if that works. Later I’ll comment on the Canadian fustercluck of a miserable failure Trudeau. Also on his Minister of I’M SUPerior, Chrystia Freeland, the generational Ukrainian Nazi and her serial screw ups in not brokering a deal. Going behind Lighthizer’s back in Washington has consequences. Globalist power hungry scrunt selling out Canada.


  9. 9 | August 17, 2018 3:59 pm

    So apparently a host of Lib MSM outlets – CNN, NBC, WaPo, AP, NYT, Buzzfeed and Poltico – filed a motion to unseal the names and addresses of the jurors in the Manafort trial. Ellis heard the motion and wisely denied it. (CNN must have had the news trucks all geared up for their ambush on the front lawn – of course, the rest of them would simply DOX them and let Antifa come after them)

    But Jake Tapper’s tweet about the denial of the motion NEVER mentions that it was his own network that wanted this information, so of course the liberals are all believing that it was Fox or Breitbart that wanted this “to intimidate them.”

    This is what Trump meant when he said your FakeNews is the enemy of the people, Tapper.


  10. eaglesoars
    10 | August 17, 2018 5:26 pm

    This is BIG. My guess is the FBI will appeal

    U.S. District Judge Amit P. Mehta has ruled that the FBI cannot issue a Glomar response when it comes to whatever verification attempts they may have used for the contents of the infamous Christopher Steele dossier. In other words, the FBI can no longer hide behind the “we can neither confirm nor deny” response in order to stonewall records requests regarding how they may have tried to determine the validity of the synopsis of the dossier that raised concerns President Donald Trump might be compromised by Russia, pee tapes and all.

    more at the link

    https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/major-crack-in-governments-defenses-we-may-finally-learn-how-the-fbi-handled-the-steele-dossier/


  11. eaglesoars
    11 | August 17, 2018 5:28 pm

    @ The Barbarian:

    Judge Ellis said he has been threatened and he is now protected by U.S. Marshals.

    The judge in Paul Manafort’s fraud trial said Friday he has received threats over the case.
    U.S. District Judge T.S. Ellis III made the comments as the jury deliberated for the second day, and as he rejected a motion to release information about the jurors. He said he’s confident the jurors would be threatened as well if their information was public.

    Ellis said that because of the threats against him, he travels with U.S. Marshals.

    “The Marshals go where I go,” Ellis said.


  12. eaglesoars
    12 | August 17, 2018 5:29 pm

    oh, sorry, link

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/376623.php


  13. eaglesoars
    13 | August 17, 2018 5:57 pm

    @ The Barbarian:

    somebody commenting at instapundit had a thought: what if they actually know at least one of the jurors – say an actual informant – and need a way to justify knowing the jurors


  14. 14 | August 17, 2018 6:12 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    This would not surprise me. Nor, frankly, would I put it past ANYONE in the Liberal MSM to use an intermediary to slip the court clerk $10,000 to obtain the juror list.

    Other than the obvious reasons they want this information – ambush interviews and DOXing – my guess is that they want to find their social media accounts.


  15. eaglesoars
    15 | August 17, 2018 6:37 pm

    The Barbarian wrote:

    that they want to find their social media accounts.

    oh jeez. I never even thought of that one


  16. 16 | August 17, 2018 8:18 pm

    Part of me hopes that lunatic Fauxahauntas is the Democratic nominee in 2020, another part is afraid the SJW’s and antifa types would give her the support she’d need to win.

    https://www.weaselzippers.us/394176-elizabeth-warrens-batty-plan-to-nationalize-everything/


  17. RIX
    18 | August 17, 2018 9:23 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    Krystal is an ass.


  18. RIX
    19 | August 17, 2018 9:39 pm

    https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2018/08/17/che-strikes-again-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-attempts-to-explain-her-press-ban-makes-it-hilariously-worse/
    @ Twitchy
    You may have been wondering if this Osacio-Cortez woman is an idiot.
    Ok, you were’t , but if you were this would remove all doubt.


  19. eaglesoars
    20 | August 17, 2018 9:46 pm

    HA! Netflix has cancelled Michele Wolf’s show. lasted about 3 months


  20. RIX
    21 | August 17, 2018 9:53 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    HA! Netflix has cancelled Michele Wolf’s show. lasted about 3 months

    But she is so appealing. /


  21. lobo91
    22 | August 17, 2018 9:57 pm


  22. eaglesoars
    23 | August 17, 2018 10:02 pm

    @ RIX:

    I’m waiting for the Obama productions to crash and burn


  23. Aussie Infidel
    24 | August 17, 2018 10:25 pm

    https://pjmedia.com/trending/pro-trump-pentagon-analyst-was-stripped-of-his-security-clearance-by-obama-holdovers/

    Don’t confuse this Baker (James H – still head of ONA) with the really bad news Baker (James A – former FBI General Counsel)


  24. RIX
    25 | August 17, 2018 10:28 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    @ RIX:

    I’m waiting for the Obama productions to crash and burn

    A beautiful thought.


  25. eaglesoars
    26 | August 17, 2018 10:39 pm

    @ Aussie Infidel:

    one of my senators wants to introduce an amendment to prevent Trump from ‘arbitrarily’ revoking anyone’s security clearance.

    I’m thinking of sending him a copy of the Constitution but I don’t think he can read.

    RIX wrote:

    A beautiful thought.

    all the more so for its rarity

    ok, bedtime, nite. I was totally useless today, I think I’ll get a head start on a do-over.


  26. AZfederalist
    28 | August 18, 2018 1:16 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    @ RIX:

    I’m waiting for the Obama productions to crash and burn

    Those will never crash. Even if their only viewers are Barack, Michelle, and Valerie, Netflix will never cancel them no matter how much money they lose.


  27. AZfederalist
    30 | August 18, 2018 1:21 am

    doriangrey wrote:

    https://thewildernessofmirrors.wordpress.com/2018/08/17/an-astounding-level-of-corruption/

    Depressingly, I agree with what you wrote. While those social media sites are corporations and not companies, they are every bit the monopolies that Microsoft was a decade or so ago when the left went after Internet Explorer as a monopoly. Only what the social media companies are doing is way more destructive and evil.


  28. AZfederalist
    33 | August 18, 2018 1:36 am

    @ AZfederalist:

    That should have said, “… while those social media sites are corporations and not governments … ”

    /need an edit function


  29. 34 | August 18, 2018 1:42 am

    @ The Barbarian:
    Exactly.


  30. yenta-fada
    35 | August 18, 2018 1:43 am

    AZfederalist wrote:

    @ AZfederalist:

    That should have said, “… while those social media sites are corporations and not governments … ”

    /need an edit function

    Don’t be too hard on yourself. 🙂 We’re sort of war horses after battle by now. Can’t embed vids, edit, posters peel off and get lost in the shuffle. Yet we stay vigilant.


  31. yenta-fada
    36 | August 18, 2018 1:48 am

    @ Bunk X:

    Did you know that in Quebec they call a raccoon ‘raton laver’? i.e. The rat that washes itself.


  32. 37 | August 18, 2018 1:54 am

    @ yenta-fada:
    Apparently Jack’S Twitter Empire decided to purge bots and anyone who had ever been suspended for any reason, justified or not. Do I care that I lost my 8th Twitter account that I used for innocuous political commentary and late night snark? Nope.

    Do I care that the same thing happened to hundreds of others for political reasons? HELL YEAH.


  33. 38 | August 18, 2018 1:56 am

    @ yenta-fada:
    In German, the literal translation is “Wash Bear.”
    So what’s your point?


  34. 39 | August 18, 2018 1:59 am

    @ yenta-fada:
    Staying vigilent doesn’t do dick.


  35. 40 | August 18, 2018 2:04 am

    @ Bunk X:
    “Captain! The enemy is approaching! What should we do?”
    “Stay vigilent.”


  36. yenta-fada
    41 | August 18, 2018 2:09 am

    @ Bunk X:
    @ Bunk X:

    You are harshing my marsh-mellow. I think you are the bestest Bunk that ever existed on earth. So there.


  37. 42 | August 18, 2018 2:16 am

    @ yenta-fada:
    Lotta stuff going on in meatworld that frustrates the hell out of me, and I didn’t mean to harsh your mellow. I’m just venting in arbitrary directions.

    Nice to see you and some other familiar faces around here. I’ve been gone too long.


  38. Aussie Infidel
    43 | August 18, 2018 2:20 am

    4_Sticks wrote:

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-former-cia-officials-sign-letter-against-trumps-security-clearance-decision/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab6a&linkId=55696679

    The plan is coming together perfectly as more swamps in the CIA expose themselves to the cleansing light of day.

    The swamp is both broad and deep and it’s denizens are emerging in what will be a knock down drag out fight to the finish!


  39. yenta-fada
    44 | August 18, 2018 2:29 am

    @ Bunk X:

    There’s always a light on in the rec room for you. 🙂


  40. Aussie Infidel
    45 | August 18, 2018 3:12 am

    Feinstein delivered to the Chinese

    The byline by a good Kiwi mate of mine Trevor Laudon

    (a farmer / baker / counter intelligence supremo par excellence )

    🙂

    Enjoy

    https://www.theepochtimes.com/feinsteins-ties-to-china-extend-beyond-chinese-spy_2616284.html


  41. darkwords
    46 | August 18, 2018 3:01 pm

    @ yenta-fada:
    Good one.


  42. Possum
    47 | August 18, 2018 4:24 pm

    @ yenta-fada:
    *Possum sneaks in to the rec room. Takes a running and then flying leap at the light bulb and smashes it in his powerful jaws*


  43. lobo91
    48 | August 18, 2018 6:39 pm

    @ Possum:

    I hope it wasn’t a CFL bulb


  44. darkwords
    49 | August 18, 2018 6:43 pm

    @ Aussie Infidel:
    I wonder why they would think Trump is uniformed and cavalier about this? If he was he would have pulled the plug long ago. Brennan is an embarrassment to leadership anywhere. He was promoted by Obama because he was different? This deep state and resistance thing is real and it’s meant to slow Trump down whatever the outcome.


  45. eaglesoars
    50 | August 18, 2018 8:30 pm

    Aussie Infidel wrote:

    Feinstein delivered to the Chinese

    Well, SOMEBODY did. I remember reading that our entire network in China had been wiped out. Here’s some background. Get this. They’re blaming it on communication software they transported from the theater in the Middle East. It wasn’t secure enough to withstand Chinese hackers.

    uh huh.

    Over a span of the next two years (2010-2012), the Chinese government “systematically dismantled” the CIA’s network of spies. To play it down, it was originally reported as “more than a dozen” instead of almost three dozen assets killed by China. Since then, everyone has been wondering how they were able to do it.
    .
    .
    The “throwaway” system was still encrypted, the agents explain and it allowed “remote communication between an intelligence officer and a source.” More importantly, it “also separated from the main communications system used with vetted sources, reducing the risk if an asset goes bad.”

    They were supposed to be totally separate. If the interim system was breached, those using the main system should still be safe. If done correctly, there would be no way to “trace the communication back to the CIA.”

    It was not done correctly. According to the sources, the “CIA’s interim system contained a technical error.” It was “architecturally” connected to “the CIA’s main covert communications platform.”

    That isn’t a technical error.

    https://conservativedailypost.com/cia-china-ops-wiped-out-by-botched-spy-contact-system/


  46. eaglesoars
    51 | August 18, 2018 8:32 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Was it ‘architecturally connected’ in the Middle East theater where it was ported from? Then why wasn’t the entire network there blown?


  47. eaglesoars
    52 | August 18, 2018 9:24 pm

    Apparently this was in today’s NYT, which I don’t read so I’m relying on this report

    White House lawyer Donald McGahn has spent 30 HOURS ‘cooperating extensively’ with Robert Mueller’s obstruction of justice probe into Trump ‘setting him up to take the fall’

    Trump tweeted this is being done with his knowledge and permission

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6074353/White-House-lawyer-cooperating-Robert-Muellers-obstruction-justice-investigation-Trump.html


  48. Aussie Infidel
    53 | August 18, 2018 10:09 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    First Half:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7Sw_cK85eE

    Second Half

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGNd6uYz0Mc

    Of match #1 of the 2018 Bledesloe Cup series between the Aussie Wallabies and the Kiwi All Blacks

    Enjoy

    🙂


  49. eaglesoars
    54 | August 18, 2018 10:15 pm

    @ Aussie Infidel:

    thank you! It’s so nice to watch real men in shorts.

    As opposed to this –

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d5a34eea6704dc37c75811f90acc50c58c43e4f0d00f3db873e495acd07b28f7.jpg


  50. eaglesoars
    55 | August 18, 2018 10:17 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Oh, to explain to non-USA people – that’s one of our NFL teams, the New Orleans Saints, who have modified their requirements for the cheerleading squad


  51. AZfederalist
    56 | August 19, 2018 1:00 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:

    Oh, to explain to non-USA people – that’s one of our NFL teams, the New Orleans Saints, who have modified their requirements for the cheerleading squad

    Well, isn’t that special?


  52. coldwarrior
    57 | August 19, 2018 5:10 am

    @ Aussie Infidel:
    got home from work early and have time to kill before everyone wakes up and wants waffles and bacon…thanks!

    the waffles are made on my great-granmother’s griswold cast-iron waffle iron, its about a hundred years old. they don’t make em like that any more!


  53. coldwarrior
    58 | August 19, 2018 6:29 am

    @ Aussie Infidel:
    sloppy handling, all blacks.


  54. coldwarrior
    59 | August 19, 2018 6:44 am

    That’s better, 3 tries in 15 minutes


  55. coldwarrior
    60 | August 19, 2018 6:54 am

    The dummy from the #4!!!!! He looked like a back!


  56. coldwarrior
    61 | August 19, 2018 7:13 am

    The wallabies have a lot to think about before Eden Park next week.


  57. eaglesoars
    62 | August 19, 2018 10:16 am

    Guiliani on Maria Bartaromo: My payoff for representing the president is getting to depose John Brennon, this biggest fraud in this whole thing


  58. 63 | August 19, 2018 11:12 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Guiliani on Maria Bartaromo: My payoff for representing the president is getting to depose John Brennon, this biggest fraud in this whole thing

    Sigh…. If only those interrogatories would somehow make it into the public sphere…


  59. 64 | August 19, 2018 12:08 pm

    @ doriangrey:

    Question #21: Mr Brennan, are you now, or have you ever been a cock-sucking Marxist/Socialist/Communist Camel Dick loving Treasonous Bastard?


  60. coldwarrior
    65 | August 19, 2018 5:17 pm

    Funny how the fbi/cia/NSA inc are lived by the left now.


  61. 66 | August 19, 2018 6:03 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Funny how the fbi/cia/NSA inc are lived by the left now.

    May that new found love (by the Grace of God) soon come to bite their asses clean off.


  62. Aussie Infidel
    68 | August 19, 2018 8:07 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    The wallabies have a lot to think about before Eden Park next week.

    Especially with the Wallabies Line outs. To lose 7 against the throw means that there is something serious wrong with the Aussie Lineout tactics. There is a great deal of work to do for the Wallabies before match 2 at Eden Park in Auckland. Given the Eden Park ‘hoodoo’ for visiting Aussie teams I don’t like the Wallabies’ chances. I really REALLY hope that the Wallabies score an upset at Eden Park so that the decided in Tokyo will be a stunner of a game of rugby.

    🙂


  63. Aussie Infidel
    69 | August 19, 2018 8:15 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    The dummy from the #4!!!!! He looked like a back!

    Broady Retallick the #4 forward couldn’t believe his eyes when he sold a that ‘dummy’ to a world class back like that. His timing was perfect giving the Wallaby no time to change his pace. The 6’7″ 260lb Retallick with his gappy mouthguard, had a smile a mile wide as he scored. Forwards cherish tries like that whereas backs… it’s just a normal day at the office for them. The All Black forward pack ground down the Wallabies in a boring first half and then opened up in the second half after the damage had been done.


  64. lobo91
    70 | August 19, 2018 8:17 pm

    I wonder if this will be happening where I work?

    Inmates Across The Country Plan To Go On Strike Refusing To Eat And Work To Protest ‘Prison Slavery’

    Prison inmates across the country are preparing to go on strike by refusing to eat or work, as a way to protest what they call ‘prison slavery’ and poor conditions.

    Though the extent of the planned strike is not known, prisoners in at least 17 states say they will be taking part in coordinated action, which will begin on Tuesday and last through September 9.

    Organizers say the strike is partly in response to the April riot in South Carolina’s Lee Correctional Institution, where seven inmates were killed by other prisoners when gang tensions boiled over.

    The masterminds of the strike have issued a list of 10 ‘demands’, including an improvement of prison conditions, an end to life imprisonment, and an end to low-paid jobs behind bars.

    Currently, hundreds of thousands of inmates work behind bars, in jobs ranging from GED tutors to custodial and other work that helps prisons run. The average pay runs about 20 cents an hour.

    In California, more than 1,000 minimum-security inmates have been deployed at trained firefighters to combat the wildfires blazing across the state. They are paid $2 a day plus $1 an hour.

    Now, prisoner advocates say that the low-paid work amounts to ‘slavery’ and demanding that taxpayers pay inmates higher wages for their work behind bars.

    ‘Prisoners do like having the opportunity to earn, because they do have to support themselves financially in a lot of ways,’ Amani Sawari, a spokesperson for the protests, told Vox.

    ‘They have to buy food if they want to eat outside the three times a day most prisons serve…. Any little thing they need, they have to buy that. So they want to be able to.’


  65. Aussie Infidel
    71 | August 19, 2018 8:28 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    The dummy from the #4!!!!! He looked like a back!

    That where the All Blacks name came from when the Brits cast them as a team that All ran like Backs. It was contorted into the All Blacks because of that comment as well as them wearing all black uniforms.

    🙂

    I really feel for poor Bernard Foley the Wallaby 5/8 (#10) for getting suckered with a ‘dummy’ by a forward like that. You could see it in Foley’s body language when #4 Ritallick scored.


  66. lobo91
    72 | August 19, 2018 8:35 pm

    Worth watching if you’re interested in the events of 9/11/12 in Benghazi:


  67. RIX
    73 | August 19, 2018 9:30 pm

    @ lobo91:
    ,Inmates on a hunger strike? That’s like putting a gun to your own head and saying “Stop or I’ll shoot!”
    They will eat when they get hungry enough,


  68. Aussie Infidel
    74 | August 19, 2018 9:52 pm

    RIX wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    ,Inmates on a hunger strike? That’s like putting a gun to your own head and saying “Stop or I’ll shoot!”
    They will eat when they get hungry enough,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upvZdVK913I

    HEH!

    🙂


  69. eaglesoars
    75 | August 19, 2018 10:11 pm

    For CW. Chicago trauma docs

    —————–
    We got a guy who was in the basement of one of the high-rise construction projects downtown. An industrial drill bit—about six feet long—fell from the fourth floor and hit him. It went in the top of his head and came out his cheek. Went through his hardhat and pinned him to the ground. They had to use a welding iron to cut the drill bit, because they couldn’t pull it out of the ground. That probably saved his life, because it heated the rod, and so it stopped bleeding. He actually made a pretty good recovery. He had some ongoing difficulty with word finding and a little weakness in his right arm, and that’s about it. But his brother was standing next to him in the basement when this happened and went into some sort of catatonic state and never came out of it. Two years later, he was still institutionalized. You talk about a visceral reaction to trauma
    ———————————

    Dead for us is called triple zeros: no pulse, no breathing, no blood pressure. We just had a guy come in who was triple zeros. One of my fellows took him in the OR, opened his chest, started internal CPR, squeezing his heart, cross-clamped his aorta to shunt the blood to keep it between his heart and his brain. Basically the iliac vein was torn in half by a bullet. She tied that off, got control of the bleeding, gave him back about 30 units of blood. She resurrected a dead man.
    ——————————
    I’d say twice a month I’ll have some kid come in with an injury to his penis or testicles, his knee, and his big toe. And he’s like, “Some guy shot me.” And I’ll look at him and go, “No, you put the gun down your pants, pulled the trigger accidentally, and shot yourself.”
    ————————————
    The one thing that always haunts you is when they come in and say, “Don’t let me die.”

    http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/August-2018/What-Trauma-Docs-Know/


  70. eaglesoars
    76 | August 19, 2018 10:34 pm

    Did you know the conquistadores actually made it to…Kansas? Me neither. But they did. The lost city of Etzanoa has been found. Smack dab in Arkansas City, Kansas.

    http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-kansas-lost-city-20180819-htmlstory.html#


  71. Aussie Infidel
    77 | August 19, 2018 11:44 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    The CIA must be getting punch-drunk from these blows. First in China when the CIA networks were rolled and by inference Russia as well.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/01/jerry-chun-shing-lee-cia-mole-china/550658/

    Then we have the situation in Iran a coup[le of decades earlier when again the CIA networks were rolled up

    http://articles.latimes.com/2005/feb/12/world/fg-cia12

    In both cases it was shoddy procedures and garbage OPSEC procedures that began the rot and caused so many agent deaths

    In 2018 how confident that the new crop of OPSEC gurus at the CIA have learned their bloody lessons? Given the politicisation of most of the security agencies I’d hazard a guess that there another security penetration embarrassment brewing in the wings. Politics, faction fights, dodgy /lazy OPSEC procedures, and questionable staff selection procedures and clearance protocols seem to suggest that little has changed in the US security community.

    🙁


  72. Aussie Infidel
    78 | August 19, 2018 11:55 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    For a little more background on the Iranian cases. The US seems to have a serious blindspot in retaining its objectivity and not projecting US secular norms onto cultures that are clearly not of the same mind.

    http://providencemag.com/wp-content/uploads/Through-a-Glass-Darkly-Josh-Craddock.pdf

    They US administrations seem to all refuse to admit that one can’t transport and establish democracy anywhere at will. Likewise the US attitude to foreign culture appears to be a massive blindspot. Too many US players can’t separate their own culture from their workday security objectivity when dealing with alien cultures.

    When in Rome do as the Romans do ! Writ large.

    Then you get the career ‘cultural aficionados’ who totally become subjective when dealing with alien cultures and suffer from Stockholm Syndrome cultural capture.

    Neither loss of objectivity nor cultural capture can be good got security agencies if they want to be effective at doing their jobs.


  73. RIX
    79 | August 20, 2018 2:12 am

    Aussie Infidel wrote:

    RIX wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    ,Inmates on a hunger strike? That’s like putting a gun to your own head and saying “Stop or I’ll shoot!”
    They will eat when they get hungry enough,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upvZdVK913I

    HEH!

    My point exactly. Funny


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