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Anabaptists, Lutherans try to mend rift

by coldwarrior Comments Off on Anabaptists, Lutherans try to mend rift
Filed under Headlines at July 6th, 2011 - 8:03 am

This is the end of a very long fight between the Anabaptists and the Lutherans

From Wiki: Thieleman J. van Braght’s Martyrs Mirror describes the persecution and execution of thousands of Anabaptists, such as Dirk Willems, in Austria, Belgium, Germany, the Netherlands, Switzerland, and other parts of Europe between 1525 and 1660. Continuing persecution in Europe was largely responsible for the mass immigrations to North America by Amish, Hutterites, and Mennonites. There is no known account in history of persecution of other Christians by Anabaptists as a group.

 

A denomination known for peacemaking and forgiveness celebrated both in Pittsburgh Tuesday by welcoming a Lutheran bishop who reiterated his church’s apology for past persecution of Mennonites.

Bishop Donald McCoid, ecumenical executive for the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America and the former bishop of Pittsburgh, received a standing ovation from delegates of the Mennonite Church USA at the David L. Lawrence Convention Center.

“We acknowledge that we are guilty of the ways in which we acted that caused others to lose property, [suffer] imprisonment and even death,” Bishop McCoid said, echoing last year’s formal statement by the 70 million-member Lutheran World Federation to the 1.6 million-member Mennonite World Conference. Bishop McCoid was instrumental in drafting the apology.

The Lutheran World Federation asked forgiveness not only for past violence but “for the ways that Lutherans subsequently forgot or ignored that persecution” and continued to demean Anabaptists, he said. Anabaptist refers to churches, including the Mennonites, that reject infant baptism and practice nonviolence.

Persecution by fellow Protestants and Catholics shaped early Anabaptists, who died refusing to resist those who tortured and killed them. Although active persecution by Lutherans ceased long ago, a foundational document for Lutherans, the Augsburg Confession, condemns Anabaptists as heretics and schismatics.

The Rev. Andre Gingerich Stoner, director of interchurch relations for the Mennonite Church USA, called on Mennonites to move beyond a worldview in which Anabaptists are primarily victims and other churches are the enemy.

“If Mennonites and other Christians are part of the body of Christ, we cannot be satisfied simply to live next door to each other …. We need blood flow and nerve connections between these parts,” he said.

Several Mennonite leaders said the apology ought to change dynamics on a congregational level, breaking down walls of suspicion.

Richard Thomas, the moderator-elect of the Mennonite Church USA, recently attended a conference at the Lutheran Theological Seminary in Gettysburg to examine how the apology may impact both churches.

“If we fully accept that apology from the Lutherans, that will change us,” he said. “We will need to tell some of our history differently than we have told it in the past. The Lutherans and Mennonites who have been working on this dialogue have done a book on how we can tell our history together. We need to talk about more than our Anabaptist martyrs.”

The term anabaptist was used to describe and define certain Christians during the Reformation.These Christians rejected infant baptism, choosing instead believer’s baptism.

Since many of them had been baptized in their infancy, they chose to be baptized as believing adults.

So their enemies called them anabaptists — “re-baptizers.”

Even though we now embrace that term as part of our identity, it really is an inaccurate term to describe them. The Anabaptists never considered that any rebaptism took place — they outright rejected and refuted the entire concept of infant baptism. To them, infant baptism would have been an oxymoron; the individual words themselves, mutually exclusive.

The differences between the Anabaptists and the Magisterial Reformers lie much deeper than any outward sign, including that of baptism. The Anabaptists were earnestly concerned with the restitution of the true church on an Apostolic model.

The Overdue/Missing Overnight Open Thread

by coldwarrior ( 172 Comments › )
Filed under Open thread at July 5th, 2011 - 11:07 pm

As of now, the OOT is overdue…

 

From Bunk last night:

 

Folks, I’ve got an announcement to make. This may be my last post for the OOT for a while.

This is NOT a flounce, as I’ve had an awful lot of fun here. My decision has nothing to do with the admins or commenters at The Blogmocracy, or anything discussed on this blog ‘o fun. I’ve just got some personal business to take care of, nothing more, nothing less.

I’ll still be lurking and snarking from time to time, both here and on Dod.

With that said, if any Blogmockrateers want to step up to the plate, I left the light on and the seat up for you on The Overnight Open Thread.

 

Well, looks like the OOT is going to be a group effort for a while...any takers?

I ♥ Vlaams Belang (and Open Thread)

by 1389AD ( 56 Comments › )
Filed under Europe, Islam, Islamic Invasion, LGF, Open thread at July 5th, 2011 - 8:30 pm

FULDKOMMEN GAK!!!!!!

Flemish Nationalist Snipers funded by Ron Paul and big tobacco!!!!

 

Billions will die !!!!11ty!!!!

 

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Gates of Vienna: Up the Ladder to the Roof

Vlaams Belang: No mosque here!
“No mosque here!”
Members of Vlaams Belang made it all the way to the top today — the top of a building which the city of Antwerp plans to convert into a mosque:

Belgium: Flemish Nationalists Climb on Future Mosque Roof

(AGI) Brussels — Some members of Vlaams Belang, an intensely xenophobic Flemish nationalist group, occupied the roof of an Antwerp building that the municipal authorities will turn into a mosque. The protest against “the islamisation of Antwerp” and the “supermosque” (as Vlaams Belang leader Filip Dewinter defined it) may continue next week with a pork barbecue in the same building.


Hat tip: C. Cantoni. Many thanks to Vlaams Belang for sending us the photo.

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The Obama Legacy

by savage ( 102 Comments › )
Filed under Barack Obama, Cult of Obama, Economy, Election 2008, Elections 2012, Healthcare, Politics, Progressives, Republican Party, Tea Parties, Unions at July 5th, 2011 - 5:30 pm

 

Videos like this one should be used to mercilessly hammer the point to voters in the upcoming election cycle.