Remember, Lambs spend their entire lives worrying about the wolf, but, the the end, the shepherd eats them.
More on the excellent grilled lamb recipe later!
Enjoy your weekend!
Friday Open, Grilled Lamb
by coldwarrior ( 201 Comments › )Filed under Food and Drink, Friday Cigar, Open thread at April 13th, 2018 - 6:39 am
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morning y’all
preds win game 1 5-2
Deplorable Martian Overlord wrote:
AJ makes my favorite smokes…that said, today I am taking a Perdomo Lot 23 with me to the course. but now i really want to take a san latano oval…
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rain of lead wrote:
excellent, i’ll root for them as i just can’t see the penguins winning 3 stanley cups in a row.
southerners and their hockey
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lol
@ coldwarrior:
Well at least the ĐйаПагŃĐ°Đ´ BlackCocks are not in The Playoffs. Neither are my Beloved Detroit Red Wings…oh well!
coldwarrior wrote:
Hurumpf… Still don’t understand this hokey stuff ya’ll are talking bout… Why would a bunch of grown men decide to throw a riot on ice? Makes no sense what so ever.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2018/04/13/trump-slams-comey-over-book-n2470522
@ Town Hall
Comey makes the big time earning a nickname from Trump âUntruthful Slime Ballâ
@ RIX:
Looks like from advance leaks, there are people claiming that they never had the conversations with Comey that he’s claiming he had. Flynn, Lynch among them.
I guess Comey thought that if Michael Wolff could do it, HE could do it.
@ RIX:
@ Deplorable Barbarian:
Apparently he wrote that he cried when he was in Obama’s presence. Chris Plante had fun with it, wondering if he touched the hem of his robe.
I’d vote YES
Breaking: Referendum to Split Calif. Into 3 States Will Be on Ballot
https://www.westernjournal.com/breaking-referendum-to-split-calif-into-3-states-will-be-on-ballot/
Mueller has been at this for long time if you look at the Whitey Bulgar timeline.
Founder & CEO of Sex-Trafficking Site BackPage.com Worked For FBI; Robert Mueller Honored Convicted Human Trafficker With FBI Award
https://truepundit.com/founder-robert-mueller-honored-convicted-human-trafficker-with-fbi-award/
As FBI Director, Robert Mueller awarded BackPage.com CEO Carl Ferrer recognition from the Justice Department and FBI for working in an investigative capacity to assist the FBI.
That award was bestowed on Ferrer and specifically Backpage,com by the FBI in 2011. Mueller, director at the time, signed the award. The citation may have also included a cash reward, FBI sources said
@ eaglesoars:
I’ll probably still be stuck in the majority BLUE part of California. Unless of course I can convince my firm to open an office in Fresno.
@ eaglesoars:
Would that give 1 Democrat and 2 Republican states or vice versa?
@ right_wing2:
dunno
right_wing2 wrote:
1 Dem, 1 Rep and 1 Libertarian.
doriangrey wrote:
Oh, and California Libertarian, yea, not Conservatives, more Batshit crazy “I’m not saying it was Aliens, but it was Aliens” I want to tell you what you can and cannot do types than anything else.
doriangrey wrote:
it is caused by cabin fever.
RIX wrote:
seriously, that’s the best he could come up with?
@ doriangrey:
it was aliens.
doriangrey wrote:
I saw the map that Fox News drew up of the proposed three states. “SoCal” would probably be predominantly Republican/Libertarian; “Cal” – solid liberal and “NorCal” about half and half.
But I did notice ONE big problem for “CAL” – it has NO Water sources – Sierra source via the California Aqueduct originates in NorCal. No obligation to send to Cal when farmers need it in SoCal. And lots of farming country in NorCal.
I suggest if it passes, that “Cal” begin building those desalinization plants NOW.
Deplorable Barbarian wrote:
What the media is pretty much intentionally not informing people of (and yes, this includes Fox) is that the subdivision of California was basically dead in the water until the proposal of “New California”. It was the New California supporters to provided the 600,000 plus votes to get it on the ballot.
The “New California” proposal basically amounts to a 45 mile wide strip from Los Angeles to Sacramento being declared “California” and the rest of California being declared “New California”. Rather than the proposed 3 State solution, this is actually the far more likely result.
The Democrats and the Media are pushing for the 3 State solution because it gives the Marxist Democrats a lot more control and doesn’t fuck the Democrat party has badly. The “New California” option would result in the Democrats have 12 out of the 54 congressional districts, period, end of story, where as the 3 state solution would leave them with around 35.
And now you know why the media is pushing the 3 state solution even though the California general population basically hates the idea.
Interesting…
World View: Japan Finds âSemi-Infinite Supplyâ of Rare Earth Minerals in Its Territorial Waters
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2018/04/13/13-apr-18-world-view-japan-finds-semi-infinite-supply-of-rare-earth-minerals-in-its-territorial-waters/
@ eaglesoars:
Recycled news. This story came out back in 2013 the area being described is what is known as deep oceanic hydro-thermal deposit field. In other words, the mineral rich area in question lays down current from a series of deep sea hydro-thermal vents known as “Black Smokers”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xywO4j7k2g8
@ doriangrey:
Thanks for the insight. As the press has been more and more blatant in it’s attempts to manipulate it becomes easy to forget they can be subtle too. Anyone outside of California would have no idea which process would be better.
IG report on McCabe is out, trying to find link
here
https://static01.nyt.com/files/2018/us/politics/20180413a-doj-oig-mccabe-report.pdf
The OIG analysis begins on page 22. Just skimming it, it looks like there were always conflicts between what McCabe said and what Comey said and the benefit of the doubt goes to Comey.
The report isn’t long, 30 some pages
eaglesoars wrote:
Neither should get the benefit of the doubt, they’re both proven liars.
Just saw a tweet from sundance (imbedded in a thread). Did you know Cohen, Trump’s lawyer, filed a lawsuit against Fusion GPS? I didn’t. Puts a new light on that raid.
From Sundance
Remember, Lisa Page was a DOJ attorney assigned to the office of FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe specifically to provide legal guidance. Imagine how pissed off she was when she discovered (July 2017) the Deputy FBI Director who told her to leak a story -on his behalf- to the Wall Street Journal, denied ever telling her to leak the story.
so, I’m sensing no one was sorry to see him go. Awwwwwww….
It also might explain why Page and Strzok are still employed – so the IG can still have access to them.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/04/13/breaking-doj-inspector-general-michael-horowitz-releases-oig-report-on-andrew-mccabe/#more-148034
@ doriangrey:
For what it’s worth, DG, my colleague and friend Jeff Bleich is running for Lt. Governor – he’s a moderate of sorts – and we were talking about the proposed 3-states and I just looked at him and asked – What happens when NorCal/SoCal turn the Aqueduct tap off?
I personally envision a boatload of Golf Courses in Palm Desert that rival Chambers Bay (CW will get the inference).
eaglesoars wrote:
Exactly. Strzok and Page may very well be what we like to call “cooperating witnesses”. They sure as hell got nothing to lose, considering what’s come out about them.
And yes, you’re spot on about the Fusion GPS lawsuit being something that “makes you wanna go ‘HMMMMMM.'”
Comey’s book is starting to look like Michale Wolffe 2.0 on the veracity meter.
Deplorable Barbarian wrote:
I find it interesting how the IG timed the release of the McCabe rpt to step all over Comey’s book pre-release gossip.
As for Page and Strzok – remember the name Bill Priestap. His is the one name in the chain of command that never comes up. He’s talking.
McCabe is a nasty SOB. He calls 2 FBI execs to yell at them for leaks to the WSJ – that he ordered Lisa Page to make – and then threw her under the bus by denying it. I doubt he has any friends
Post-lamb stone ipa and a NUB Cameroon.
Yezzir. Mmmm
Deplorable Barbarian wrote:
No disrespect to the golfers, but I was thinking, it sure would be nice to turn the water back on to the Central Valley. You know, where California grows most of its produce…
The aussie lamb was excellent!
@ eaglesoars:
Clinton neighbors.
“You’ll have lots of things to talk about. I will to.”
@ eaglesoars:
I think the DOJ IG is an honorable guy and has to be sick over the shennanigans over there. And I don’t see this report’s release as a coincidence either.
Comey has that softball interview with Snuffalophagus over at ABC Sunday Night. Considering that the interview is already in the can and certain statements by Comey have already leaked (there’s one about the dossier that especially makes him look like a dirtbag; he didn’t tell Trump that the dossier was financed by Hillary because “it didn’t fit into my plan”), I wonder if ABC is going to call him in to redo some of the interview for damage control.
They’ve hyped the hell out of this thing so if Comey can’t come in for some rehabilitation questions, this might prove VERY embarrassing for him, depending on what else was said.
Deplorable Barbarian wrote:
Wolfe’s book was just salacious gossip, Comey’s book is a desperate attempt to keep Comey out of prison. He is painting himself as a noble warrior being attacked by a tyrant, when in reality he is a senior co-conspirator in an attempted illegal Coup D’tate.
@ doriangrey:
Oh you can BET the water’s going to be turned back on. NorCal may contain the Bay Area and Sacramento, but the concervative voting blocks of the red counties that stretch to the Sierra have a pretty good kick.
@ doriangrey:
Yinz need a pipeline from my joint
Deplorable Barbarian wrote:
If (which I am starting to profoundly doubt) Sessions ever grows a pair of balls and charges Comey with 18 US Code 2384 & 2385, that statement will literally hang Comey.
coldwarrior wrote:
ROTFLMAO… No kidding, the runoff from your yard alone could quadruple SoCal’s annual water supply.
doriangrey wrote:
He’ll send it direct to the Riviera Country Club. However, SILVERADO will be juuuuuuust fine.
Deplorable Barbarian wrote:
Heh, the water from his yard would turn both of them into estuaries.
@ doriangrey:
I can see the grounds staff from Palm Springs running over there with buckets.
OH SHIT… Somebody just dumped the entire first season of Netflix’s new series “Lost in Space”… Online here… http://ecouchtuner.to/2018/04/lost-in-space-season-1/, yea, using a popup blocker is mandatory, and yes they did the whole diversity thing to the Robinson family but wait till you see the robot… Damn it…
Deplorable Barbarian wrote:
They’ve got FIVE HOURS of interview in the can that they’ve cut down to fit into one hour minus commercials so 48 minutes max. They’ve got plenty they can slice/dice/edit.
@ eaglesoars:
Indeed. I cannot picture talking to that pendantic moron for five hours….
I will be most curious to see what the ratings are for this. I’m not up at 10:00 p.m. and I don’t consider Comey DVR-worthy.
I’ve been enjoying Mark Levin’s interview show on Fox, which will come on at the same time. He ususally waits to the end of the week to reveal who the guest will be. His interviews with Devin Nunes and Bibi Netanyahu were superb. When he’s just speaking informally, he’s actually pretty good.
Although frankly, if he says “I was chief of staff to an Attorney General in the Reagan Administration” ONE more time…..we KNOW Mark. We KNOW.
Deplorable Barbarian wrote:
Is the whole break Ca into three states just an attempt at large scale gerrymandering? Put all of the red folks together and then make the other two states blue and pick up a couple of extra Senators and a swathe of Congress-critters?
@ doriangrey:
I thought I saw a glimpse – does it look like the creature from Alien?
Deplorable Barbarian wrote:
There are some REALLY cheap de-salination plants going sale in Oz right now. Bloody socialists took freight and spent billions creating them because ‘herbal worming’ was going to cause drought so bad that the cities would dry up and die. After billions were spent the rain fell… and fell … and fell until the dams were overflowing and the water was being dumped. Not one of these white elephants has ever been used.
They are going cheap!
đ
Deplorable Barbarian wrote:
God, I’m trying to remember. Ed Meese? Big deal, Mark. Try being Nancy Reagan’s wing woman, having to protect her from those harpies – including her own worthless children.
@ eaglesoars:
Yep. Ed Meese. He was then appointed Solicitor General for the Department of the Interior. Back then it probably wasn’t such a big deal, but now with the constant litigation and fighting over Indian Casinos, I imagine the guy/gal who holds that position doesn’t have an easy time of it.
Trump delivering statement on Syria at 9 pm?
whatever we’re doing, we’re doing w/the Brits and the French I THINK. The Brits don’t have a navy so I don’t know what they’ll be doing.
@ lobo91:
this is a guy who’s made some mistakes and that book is gonna be one of the biggies.
Who saw that really crude WSJ article beating the war drum and falsifying videos of the USS Truman’s departure from Norfolk. The text didn’t match the videos which were of three Pacific based Carrier battle groups steaming together off North Korea last year.You can see the CVN numbers of the USS Roosevelt and USS Reagan and I assume the Carl Vinson a little obscured. The text of the WSJ gave totally false facts about the video that clearly showed three Pacific based carrier battlegroups steaming together and tried to pass it off as the small CVN75 USS Truman Battle Group currently steaming across the Atlantic. Even within the WSJ text they gave contradictory statements about the size of the Truman Carrier Battle Group, one hand the size of the other claim.
This obvious propaganda piece was so amateurish that one has to wonder about the WSJ as a newspaper of record.
@ Aussie Infidel:
when is comes to the U.S. MSM and military matters, always assume total ignorance first, then malice. I’m surprised they were able to pair the words ‘battle’ and ‘group’
My mistake not the WSJ. It was the Western Journal a rough and stupid Right wing? or false flag propaganda outfit? based in Arizona.
https://www.westernjournal.com/us-armada-steaming-toward-middle-east-largest-us-strike-force-in-15-years/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=WJBreaking&utm_campaign=breaking&utm_content=western-journal
Those beating the war drums should be watched very closely. When the Progressive Left and the GOPe both agree then be VERY careful and engage your brain first and ask the question …. who profits from this set up?
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My next question would have been… what the hell are the Japanese and Korean navies doing in the North Atlantic?
HEH!
Pathetic attempt to ‘get blood in the eye’ of the average US parole.
why are we bombing Damascus? Are they keeping CWs there?
eaglesoars wrote:
because that would be stupid. It would be stupid because when we blow them up, bad stuff that doesn’t get incinerated ends up in the air poisoning people in Damascus, right?
Assuming we have B2 bombers that will start with the 2nd wave of bombing, where are they based?
@ eaglesoars:
Correct
eaglesoars wrote:
Whiteman AFB, Missouri
eaglesoars wrote:
Missouri
@ lobo91:
Leonard Wood is a really pretty place, I saw a lot of the grass up close.
@ lobo91:
@ coldwarrior:
THE CONTINENTAL UNITED STATES??!!!
Dude, that’s a long drive. They’re already airborne.
I just heard B1s were part of the strike, out of Qatar
For once in my life I now wish Russia would explode an EMP nuke in retaliation,
One over London.
One over Paris.
One over Washington DC
We, USA, France, UK have to stop injecting ourselves into fights thousands of miles away.
whatever else comes out of this, I hope this sets Vlad back on his heels. Take out those S200 thingys, whatever they are, just kick his ass. Trump tried to be nice and it would have been in Putin’s best interest to take him up on it. Instead, he wanted to play Big Swinging Dick and nobody has won that one with Trump yet.
@ eaglesoars:
The b2 guys are long haul specialists.
@ Possum:
And before anyone says that “The USA will do the same to Russia” You have to know Russia and their people are not as dependent on the soft comforts we are used to, and depend on,
@ Possum:
I see no reason to go play in the sandbox over Assad.
coldwarrior wrote:
I do not either. But looks like we did.
@ Possum:
In part, I get it. But the use of chems can’t be allowed to stand, especially against your own.
Baby Assad didn’t learn his daddy’s lesson. He finished off the MB in Hama in about a month and paved it over. If you’ve got a civil war on your hands, you go total and salt the earth. I’m not advocating it, but he didn’t have any problems after that.
coldwarrior wrote:
I’m pretty sure that’s not the intent. I think the mission is narrow – just stop with the chem crap.
coldwarrior wrote:
do they make the return flight w/o landing anywhere? How long does that make the flight time?
@ eaglesoars:
24 hours or so, then a couple hours debrief, then the go to the club for a couple, go home, crash…off for days.
eaglesoars wrote:
Nobody is sure it was chemical weapons. And even worse nobody knows who released them.
Current speculation is tear gas
@ eaglesoars:
Trump wins that one.
@ Possum:
Yeah…I assume Matis et al have some info…I guess.
Possum wrote:
It was chem weapons and whoever released them won’t be doing it again.
Here’s a lovely vid of a B1 bomber. It’s very elegant, a bit smaller than what I was expecting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6r3pPFzpzaw
coldwarrior wrote:
yowser.
eaglesoars wrote:
The longest B-2 mission I’m aware of was to Afghanistan. 34 hours start to finish. 15 in-flight refuelings.
@ eaglesoars:
That particular plane is equipped for a precision bombing mission. See the targeting pod hanging down behind the nose gear?
matis is briefing the press
@ lobo91:
Are the markings on the nose in front of the cockpit to help the pilot in the event of an equipment failure?
Deplorable Bumr50 wrote:
Those are there to aid the boom operator on a tanker to locate the inflight refueling receptacle.
lobo91 wrote:
ah!
no one yells questions at Matis.
he’d rip their spine out and hang them with it
@ lobo91:
Ah!
Awesome!
@ lobo91:
@ Deplorable Bumr50:
I can’t imagine the jokes if they have trouble finding it…
lobo91 wrote:
Every 2 hrs? That has to be nerve wracking/exhausting. There aren’t going to be 15 different tankers involved in that are there?
coldwarrior wrote:
I’m so disappointed. I wanted to hear April Ryan ask Mattis if Trump ordered this to distract from Stormy Daniels.
eaglesoars wrote:
That’s typically how they’re used these days. They load one up with a bunch of JDAMs and cruise around in a big oval for 12 hours or so over the middle of Afghanistan, waiting for calls. Someone calls with a target, they fly over toward it and drop one bomb, then go back to flying in circles.
One plane can hit dozens of targets in a single mission that way.
eaglesoars wrote:
Pretty much, yeah. They stage the tankers along their planned flight path.
lobo91 wrote:
a day at the office
the logistics of that tanker refueling thing have to be awesome.
I’m going to bed. I might wake up with more questions. so you guys stay awake to answer them, m’kay?
right, nite.
oh, snap! It appears the local HQ of Hizbollah, once located in the western syrian town of qusayr, is no more. somebody messed with the target list. or not.
eaglesoars wrote:
Such a shame for such a humanitarian group to suffer such a tragedy.
This is probably one of the arguments for intervention. While Syria itself is not a strategic interest of the US, the Syrian support for terrorist groups like Hamas and the effects that group has on allies like Israel is detrimental to US interests.
@ eaglesoars:
A wee something to add to your reading list.
Worth the read and highly recommended.
https://charlierose.com/videos/3578
Cheers,
đ
morning y’all
rain of lead wrote:
Seems we is the only ones that gets up in the morning any more.
@ doriangrey:
yup. seems to be
Wow. Ok, talk about bending over backwards to avoid stating the obvious. McCabe was authorized to disclose the existence of the Clinton Foundation Investigation publicly.
You getting that part? What he wasn’t authorized to do… Was rat out his superior officers when he disclosed. No anonymous leaking, no leaking and then claiming your boss told you to leak the information. No leaking to save your own ass from prosecution. No leaking to advance your own career.
In short, McCabe had the authority to confirm that the Clinton Foundation was being investigated should investigative journalism uncover the investigation and specifically ask him about it. He was not authorized to throw his bosses under the bus in order to save his own ass.
doriangrey wrote:
That’s ok. Comey wasn’t authorized to decide whether or not to launch criminal investigations based on polls, but he’s a born ass-kisser so there ya go.
Good morning. Apparently the mission in Syria was accomplished overnight.
I would like to know what people think about it here. Assad ,Putin and Iran get no sympathy.
The question for me is tthis in our national interest? We are not seeking regime change, but if we cause Assad
to fall will Christians in Syria be eliminated? Assad actually protects them now.
What do you think?
Pentagon briefing now
@ eaglesoars:
Sounds like we slapped the snot out of em.
Not hearing a lot of Democrat complaint yet. Kristen Gilibrand issued a negative statement, but she is generally
uninformed. I think that the Dems ate trying to gauge public opinion.
@ RIX:
Iâll support trip but Iâm not in favor of bombing Syria. I also wasnt in favor of Pence as VP. Iâd prefer to give Syria to the Russians lock, stock, and barrel.
RIX wrote:
I’m seeing a lot of crap commentary based on the premise that we are ‘going into Syria’. we’re not, that is not the mission. The mission is to degrade Assad’s ability to use chem weapons. Also, people seem to be willfully ignoring the fact that this was an international coalition, not just the U.S. being a ‘cowboy’.
darkwords wrote:
Syria has been a client state of Russia for decades, since around the time of the Suez Canal crisis. You may remember that when this first started a lot of Syrians up and left for Russia because there has been so much intermarriage over the years. Syrians go to university in Russia.
@ darkwords:
I was conflicted about a strike on Syria, but once we launched I became all in.
But as bad as Assad is, removing him would just create an Islamic state and Christians would pay
a heavy price. Clearly regime change is not our goal.
RIX wrote:
not really. she just lies.
eaglesoars wrote:
She does sound like a ditz.
@ RIX:
I believe neither اسؚد The Chinless Ophthalmologist (an Arab nationalist!), nor ĐŃŃин (a Russian Nationalist!), were the targets of President Trump’s raid. Rather, the strike was a message to the Mullahs of IRAN. They’ve had way too much influence in Syria and the rest of that region…not to mention the fact that they’re butt-buddies with Hamas.
@ doriangrey:
@ rain of lead:
I’d join in the morning banter more often if I didn’t have other shit to deal with! đ
@ Deplorable Macker:
well, it does look like Hizbollah lost some real estate last nite. There goes the ‘hood.
chores, later
Deplorable Macker wrote:
Interesting
eaglesoars wrote:
No disrespect intended, but more like since the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. Russia had been attempting to obtain a warm water port for centuries. The Ottoman Empire controlled the only passage between the Black Sea and the Mediterranean i.e. The Bosporus Straight. When the Ottoman Empire fell, Syria became a French Colony.
Syria made multiple requests first to the League of Nations, and then to the United Nations to be recognized as its own independent nation. When it was finally acknowledged as an Independent Nation, Russia was the first nation to do so in the United Nations, Russia had also pushed for that recognition.
RIX wrote:
Bad as he is? I do not know that he is “BAD”, what I do know, is that the boys at Foggy Bottom and Langley are still fighting the Cold War. As far as they are concerned Russia is still every bit as much of a threat to the United States as it was back at the height of the Cold War.
More importantly, those narcissistic assholes at Foggy Bottom and Langley have suicidally decided Muslims are more trustworthy than their old Cold War adversaries. Like so many others in our “Western” civilization, they equate Muslims with a backward 3rd world pre industrial revolution intellectual capacity.
They think they understand what drives and motivates the Muslims, and thus they can easily manipulate them. Problem is, the fools at Foggy Bottom and Langley are utterly and completely wrong. They do not have the first clue.
Being a Muslim does not make you stupid, there are plenty of extremely intelligent Muslims. The imbeciles at Foggy Bottom and Langley mistake a completely and totally different set of moral and ethical values for a lack of intelligence. Their arrogance makes it impossible for them to see how badly they have fucked up that call.
Unlike the US, the Russian’s understand that Muslims are not stupid because they have completely different moral and ethical principals. More importantly, the Russians understand that yes, the Moral and Ethical foundation of Islam is completely alien to those with a Judaeo-Christian moral and ethical foundation.
The Russian/Syrian alliance is not because either Russia or Syria loves each other, its because they need each other.
What is this whole Syrian conflict about? Oil. Yea, that’s right. It’s about OIL. Or, to be more precise, about the flow of oil. The exact same thing that is responsible for the Syrian “Very Fake Civil War”.
ISIS/Al Qaeda entered Syria at the behest of Barack Obama and began its efforts to overthrow Assad. The reason, was to prevent Gasprom from running a oil/natural gas pipeline through Syria into Europe.
This is the exact same reason for the civil war in Ukraine/Crimea. Yea, I know, now you are scratching your head wondering why the Europeans would object to Russian gas and oil pipelines supplying Europe with gas and oil.
Its not the gas or oil they object to. Its who has control over the price they will pay for that gas and oil that they have a problem with. The Europeans are willing to start and wage wars over exactly which countries those pipelines go through, because whomever country those lines go through can control the price because they have the ability to shut down those pipelines.
Don’t like the price? Shut down the pipeline until you get the price you want. It really is that simple. Europe attempted to set up a puppet government in Ukraine for exactly that reason, and now they are trying the same thing in Syria for again, the exact same reason.
Europe’s Marxist/Socialist NIMBY mentality has them in a bad place. Because of it, Russia is in a position where it can literally milk Europe dry for oil if it can get gas and oil pipelines through geography that Europe is unable to politically influence.
ISIS/Al Qaeda also know this, that is why they agreed to help Obama overthrow Assad, because doing so would give them what they need most in their fight to establish a new Caliphate, a revenue source and a state sponsor.
This is why Russia is in Syria fighting ISIS/Al Qaeda. Its also why the US is involved in Syria.
To quote Frank Herbert. “He who controls the Spice (Oil) Controls the Universe. The Spice (Oil) must Flow”. Yes, oil is what he was really talking about.
doriangrey wrote:
I was trying to stay w/in the timeframe of darkwords. I get the impression we all have some years on him.
If we were going to invade anywhere, we should start with our college campuses. Those places need to be fixed.
Listening to the U.N. stuff it sounds like they’re backing us. But I just heard a little bit.
have to get Willow out for a short one. later.
@ doriangrey:
the problem that I have is if we weaken Assadtothepoint that he falls Syrian becomes a terrorist. Islamic state.
Christians are killed and persecuted and terrorism is exported.
Niki Haley at the UN. “The time for talk ended last night”
Just sitting here and thinking….
If Assad or the Syrian regime are using chemical weapons why are they using such small amounts? The saying “One might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb” springs to mind.
I may put together a few thoughts on the subject later.
Possum wrote:
Are they? I have no idea. I don’t know the size of the area they were trying to cover, I don’t know how to measure the amount of a specific chem that would be needed to – what’s the word – ‘subdue’? – an unknown number of people.
I don’t know why they did it at all. Either Assad thought Trump was bluffing or he deliberately baited him to stay involved. Why? From all reports I heard, Assad was in the process of winning. Rix and I were talking about this the other morning, what an utterly bewildering move. Logically from where we sit, it makes no sense. I have no idea what his logic looked like.
i’m having hard time figguing out why assad would bother using chems, looks like he and the russians prettymuch have the whole thing won. we stomped isis for them and would gladly leave
rain of lead wrote:
morning…4 night shifts coming up.
game 2
2nd period
1-1
go preds
Kristoff Ligero Maduro…on the deck, its 80F and i have to be at the salt mines at 7p.
2-1 preds
@ rain of lead:
as long as it aint the crapitals or the fliers, i’m happy
3-2 preds
coldwarrior wrote:
Wait a minute! Itâs 36 degrees here, and youâre sitting on the deck in 80 degree weather having a cigar?
I am on my way, what can I pick up?
@ RIX:
It was almost 80 here yesterday. Today weâre in the 30âs with 25-30mPH wind.
right_wing2 wrote:
We are up and down too.. It has been a crazy Spring so far.
4-2 preds
This has been reported almost nowhere.
NEW: Federal judge grants petition for Pres. Trump to intervene in Michael Cohen motion seeking to limit prosecutorsâ ability to review material seized in raids of Cohenâs home and office earlier this week.
https://www.minuteman-militia.com/2018/04/13/new-federal-judge-grants-petition-for-pres-trump-to-intervene-in-michael-cohen-motion-seeking-to-limit-prosecutors-ability-to-review-material-seized-in-raids-of-cohens-home-and-off/
This happened YESTERDAY
RIX wrote:
Agreed to the first point regarding persecution of Christians. To the second point, Syria already exports terrorism by their support of Hamas and other support in Jordan.
Disclaimer. I am of the opinion that the Syrian regime have nothing to gain and everything to lose by the use of chemical weapons. The reason that I am declaring my belief in the first paragraph that Assad did not order or approve this latest attack is so that you can judge what I write and know that everything I write is biased.
Also, I won’t be posting links because I do not know how many I can before I end up in the anti-spam black hole. But I will point readers to places I get my information.
So…..
Firstly, the targets of the attacks on the 7th April.
What were the three targets? Maybe I have not done enough research but even the full declassified national assessment provided by the French foreign ministry in English at haaretz dot com is confusing to me.
Was one of the attacks on a medical facility or were the images shown of the aftermath of an attack and patients entered a medical facility?
Next paragraph.
You understand my confusion, were the pictures and videos taken inside a hospital that was the target or were they from a hospital that received the dead and injured from elsewhere?
I am as yet unclear what the three targets were.
I’m about to eat a lamb burger.
Does that count as grilled lamb?
Possum wrote:
unlikely considering they’ve been bombed with chems. The pics you see are probably from those treating the wounded
eaglesoars wrote:
The way they are treating the wounded is not consistent with a nerve agent attack. Yeah I know fuck all about nerve agents and chemical warfare but to my mind this isn’t right.
To be continued.
5-4 preds final
Possum wrote:
ok, THAT should be interesting to hear.
Secondly, what chemical was used in the attacks?
So far we have conflicting reports.
I will progress from least lethal to most lethal.
From a military aviation forum ( a pprune sub forum ) some there after watching the videos seem to think that the victims were being treated the same way as you treat for a “tear gas” exposure.
As in fresh air ( oxygen ), irrigating eyes, washing hair but not stripping off all the victim’s clothing and yourself wearing a respirator.
The military people here will have gone through this many times. They get 20 seconds of “tear gas” exposure per year, then get dragged outside and recovered.
Now, I am wondering what extended exposure to “tear gas” in an enclosed structure would do to a person.
“Tear gas” is normally used in the open air, not a closed space.
I would imagine after several minutes exposure to “tear gas” in an enclosed space you would drown in your own mucus.
I put “tear gas” in quotes as there are many. Freely obtainable by anyone.
So, no clear evidence yet who did it.
@ Possum:
The last briefing I heard stated they had confirmed chlorine and were waiting on reports about sarin. The chem is tear gas isn’t one of those (it’s some long name I can’t spell, but it’s not nearly as lethal as chlorine)
gotta run. keep it up possum, I’ll check back later
https://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/607629-eve-war-6.html#post10116197
He is 74
He has seen it, and done it.
Next, Chlorine.
Well that is freely available to anyone. Pool shock tablets and muratic acid. ( hydrocloric acid )
Mix them together then run away really fast!
Does not need a vast government controlled industrial complex to make.
Your pool boy could genocide your town!
You following me so far?
Chemical warfare.
“Tear gas” Anyone can do it.
Chlorine. Anyone can do it.
Sarin…. well ASSAD DID IT! bomb him!
Possum wrote:
I also share this belief, and do not think it very likely that Assad was behind the chemical weapons use, if chemical weapons were in fact used. It has the stench of an ISIS tactic.
This said, I do not believe that Trump is stupid or easily misled, if Trump made the decision to intervene, which he clearly did, there is something else at play that we are unaware of.
I do not trust the boys at Foggy Bottom or Langley as far as I can throw Mount Everest. Nor do I trust the idiots at 12 Downing Street, Bletchley Park or the FSB.
Everyone of them have their own agenda and being truthful with regards to that agenda is not part of that agenda. There is far more than meets the eye going on in Syria that much you can be certain of.
You can also be certain that a very significant aspect of whatever is going on related to energy, and territorial control.
a) Russia is profoundly concerned that something tactical may take place and they absolutely do not want their naval fleet trapped in the Black Sea.
b) Britain and France do want the Black Fleet trapped in the Black Sea.
c) The US seems to want to maintain some kind of status quo vs-a-vie the Black Fleet. i.e. keep Russia out of whatever it is that might take place.
d) China is suspiciously quiet.
e) NKorea is suspiciously quiet.
f) Given what has transpired, Russia has been suspiciously restrained.
g) Iran has been frighteningly quiet.
I suspect the chemical attack was designed very intentionally to draw America into responding. Just who used those chemical weapons, if indeed they were used is as yet profoundly unclear, but it probably wasn’t Assad.
Now time for serious conjecture.
NKorea has been helping Iran with ICBM technology in exchange for Iranian nuclear weapons technology. My money is on the nuclear weapons NK set off actually being Iranian weapons. Yes, I believe that Iran got everything they needed for nuclear weapons from Pakistan.
I suspect that Iran was behind the Syrian rebels/ISIS/Al Qaeda and that it is a very real possibility that Iran was smuggling nuclear weapons into Syria to use against Israel combined with NK missile technology.
I would not bet money on it, but suspect that Russia might be behind the chemical weapons attack as a way of forcing the US to intervene while maintaining a plausible deniability regarding their own involvement.
I know that it sounds like a crazy theory, but the FSB know about Israel’s Samson Protocol and unlike the US have no doubt that Israel will enact it if nuked. France also knows about Israels Sampson Protocol since it was France that gave Israel nuclear weapons in the first place.
If Israel gets nuked by Iranian sponsored terrorists, Russia, Iran, and half of Europe are literally toast. The US knows about Israel’s Sampson Protocol, but most US Military strategists are not convinced it is real, or that Israel would actually enact it.
One more very unpredictable stick of dynamite to throw into the fire. Bahrain just announced that they have discovered a 80 billion barrel shale oil play. There are a lot of powerful people who very seriously want the price of crude oil to go back over $100.00 per barrel.
Bahrain’s announcement of their newest find seriously complicated that. High oil prices do two very specific things. They slow down Trump’s economic recovery and prevent the US from deciding its time to tap into the Green River Formation.
The Green River Formation is indisputably the largest known oil deposit on earth with an estimated 6 trillion recoverable barrels of oil.
Slow down Trumps economic recovery, and that slows down the US military’s rearmament.
From my perspective, only China profits from what is happening in Syria right now.
So here’s my money shot. China through its agent NKorea goaded Iran into trying to nuke Israel. Russia got wind of it, and forced the US to act. A nuclear war in Europe/Russia would benefit only China as America would probably be sufficiently tied up in it that China would have a free hand to claim pretty much all of the western pacific. Something China is clearly in the process of attempting.
Now sarin.
If sarin was used for the attack on Douma then that proves that the Syrian regime and Assad was responsible for the attack.
Or does it?
Many believe sarin can only be made in a vast state run industrial weapons facility.
I had a thought….
Where did the attackers of the Tokeo subway in 1995 get the sarin from?
Where did they steal it?
They made their own. Bought a sheep farm in Australia to perfect it and test it,
You DO NOT need a vast industrial chemical plant to make enough sarin to kill 40 people.
doriangrey wrote:
AAnnndddddd…..that’s where you lost me. China doesn’t want to see nukes unleashed anywhere, the consequences are more than unpredictable, not to mention the horrific part. Iran will nuke Israel the nanosecond the mullahs decide they’ve seen their last day on earth.
But I think the idea that Iran was behind the attacks is plausible. Can you imagine how pissed off Assad and Putin have to be? ‘We were THIS CLOSE….”
doriangrey wrote:
Included in that announcement was a huge deposit of natural gas also. But it’s offshore and they don’t have the tech for recovery and no one yet knows how much IS recoverable. So two things mitigate the impact: time to recover and amount able to be recovered. I think it will be awhile before you see this stuff showing up in a futures market. However, Halliburton is deliriously happy, they’re seeing $$ signs from here thru the next 2 decades.
@ eaglesoars:
@ eaglesoars:
To the question ….’ iâm having hard time figguing out why assad would bother using chems’…. the answer is …. You’re both asking the WRONG question…
The answer becomes very clear when you ask … WHO benefits from a chemical attack at this precise moment.
The answer is as clear as the nose on your face.
*The Sunni Saudis win because the US stays engaged in the AO
*al Qaeda / ISIS wins because the US remains engaged and is therefore the Big Satan against which to push
* Islamist ‘refugees flooding into Europe win because the Syrian Civil war continues generating ‘faux refugees streaming into Europe destabilising the continent.
* China wins because the US is distracted from its real opponent in the South China Sea and adds to the $20 trillion deficit weakening the US economy.
*Turkey / neo-Ottomons under Erdogan hive off the edges of Syria to plicate the Sunni neanderthals of central and Eastern Turkey’s hinterland, gagging for another neo-Ottomon Empire.
Now ask yourself who loses….
* Russia loses face but the chance of accidental war with the &S increases
* Syria loses every time another ‘apparent’ minor gas attack happens, just as it is finally winning this civil war
* Iran / Hezbollah loses as it ‘s forces become cut off from Shi’a support lines
* the Kurds who are being thrown to the Turks by the US as a way of maintaining Turkey membership of NATO
* Russia’s restive ‘—stans’ allies who wonder whether they should get with the strength and throw their hands in with an expansionist China’s ‘Belt and Road’ project.
*Syriac Christians as well as all of the non-Arab or non -Islamic peoples of the region who will be thrown into the butchers slaughterhouse if the Islamists win power from the Baathist Alowite protecters of the Christians.
It’s time for those scum at Langley and Foggy Bottom to sniff the air and decide who they want to win this. None of the alternatives are good, so they need to put on their big boy pants and ask who is the least bad. It’s time to cut fish or leave guys. Do the deal with the least evil group and make it conditional on the Russians and Hezbollah heading home, ensuring that the Sunni Syrians are protected within their enclaves, Turkey gets the hell out of ‘Dodge’, The Syriacs are safe and ‘refugees’ encouraged to return home. Good luck with that!
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Possum wrote:
Exactly correct mate.
Sarin is easy to manufacture as was shown. There are false flag attacks all over the place within the civil war.
@ doriangrey:
……’NKorea has been helping Iran with ICBM technology in exchange for Iranian nuclear weapons technology. My money is on the nuclear weapons NK set off actually being Iranian weapons. Yes, I believe that Iran got everything they needed for nuclear weapons from Pakistan’ …..
You mean the Chinese who stole the technology from the US, and on-sold it to the Pakistanis, who sold it to both the Saudis and Iranians and then the NORKs who swapped it with the Iranians for missile tech.
Now Erdogan has shafted his NATO partners by throwing his hand in with the Russians over oil and in particular gas pipelines to Europe. Both Russia and Turkey are playing the great game, being as they are natural enemies for centuries but finding themselves with alignedNational Interests for the time being.
Likewise Israel finds itself in a curious position of getting into bed with its erstwhile enemy Sunni / al Qaeda/ Wahabbist Saudi Arabia… for the time being.
Hey we are talking the Mid East here folks where one’s friends ALWAYS knife you in the back….. it’s in the blood!
Woohoo! The stormy winds have stopped and I have electricity again.
Iâm sensing a power vacuum in the Middle East and no clear cut front runner.
Aussie Infidel wrote:
no, we’re not. We’re both – along with Rix and possum – noting that the answer being given to the public – Syria did it – makes very little, if any, sense. Given what we know and who knows what that’s worth.
But before I forget – Mattis did note that he had seen vid of what he identified as a Syrian chopper dropper the chems. So there’s that.
@ Aussie Infidel:
. And the other missing MAJOR winner of this latest US offensive is ISRAEL.
There are plenty of potential false flag groups within the winners bunch to perpetrate this possible false flag attack.
Calo wrote:
I saw tornadoes in Arkansas. Hubby’s son is here on his way back to upstate NY and they’re warning him they will be losing power due to ice storms.
It was mid-80s here today and we took the heathen to the park. It was Mia’s first trip to wide open spaces and it was glorious. Tomorrow and the next day are due to suck – high 50s and rain.
eaglesoars wrote:
There was ONE Mi-8 helicopter that dropped TWO barrels of chlorine.
Given the access to myriad Mi-8s in the ME this doesn’t prove squat
Aussie Infidel wrote:
Ah, yes, Dr. Kahn who the Pak leader was supposedly keeping under house arrest. so Mossad couldn’t get to him, no doubt.
KAHN!!!
(star Trek reference, sorry)
Aussie Infidel wrote:
agreed. I don’t know whose vid it was either.
@ eaglesoars:
eaglesoars wrote:
Wrong on both counts. China doesn’t give a rats ass if nukes get used, just so long as they aredn’t over China. Military’s, especially Marxist/Communist Military’s know the truth about nukes, unlike the worlds general population which was brainwashed by Marxist Cold War propaganda.
Are nuclear weapons bad? Well, yes they are Dorothy. Are they as bad as you were lead to believe? No they are not. They are very very big explosions. Until the yield gets over 10 megatons the radioactive fallout while bad, is no where near as dangerous as the propaganda claims assert it is.
Let me make this perfectly clear, we, here in the US detonated 333 nuclear bombs right here in the continental United States above ground ranging from between 5 Kt to 2 Mt.
Nagasaki was a 20 Kt, Nagasaki was habitable again within 1 month. Detonation altitude was around 1500 feet. Hiroshima was 15 Kt, altitude 1870 feet, was habitable again within 1 month.
Any nuclear weapons that Iran or NKorea are capable of building are likely to be in the 10 to 20 Kt range, making them highly comparable to those used on Japan. As far as China is concerned, not a significant risk.
As to Iran, you either forget, or are unaware, Iran is home to the worst form of the Islamic Death cult. They believe in the 12th Imam, who is suppose to climb out of the well in Qom, destroy Israel with fire and brimstone and herald in the rule of Mohammad’s successor, the 12th Imam. If they die destroying Israel then they believe they all will become martyr of the most glorious kind.
Aussie Infidel wrote:
Umm, well, yea.
eaglesoars wrote:
The announcement of a find like this always impacts the price of oil within weeks of the announcement, it has to do with the hair trigger reactions of futures traders. Yes, it will be several years before anything is actually produced, but it changes the market almost instantly. Its called futures trading for a reason. Estimates are that oil from this new discovery will be hitting the market within 5 years. More likely it will be under 3.
@ Calo:
*hug*
@ rain of lead:
I had a video I was trying to post of a Star Trek talking walk-in talkie thing coming soon, but I failed!
Howâs Momcat, I see the girl is doing just fine.
@ doriangrey:
Oh, and Bahrain currently produces 50,000 barrels a day, they could double that in probably less than 6 months if they start pumping right away from the exploratory wells they drilled that confirmed the volume of this field. Bahrain is seriously cash strapped, as is practically every Middle East oil producing nation, they are going to want to start seeing a positive cash flow from this field yesterday.
Calo wrote:
Hey sweetie pie… Nice to see you…
doriangrey wrote:
oh yeah, I’m aware of it. I’m sure the mullah’s are too. Granted, I haven’t spoken to all that many Iranians and the cohort is certainly not representative, but when I mentioned it the response could be characterized as *snort*. Kind of like ‘celibate priests’.
@ doriangrey:
I need a diagram of the Middle East puppets to keep the players straight.
@ eaglesoars:
You obviously haven’t recently been taking the air in Qom!
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Calo wrote:
The linkage diagrams look like a ball of wool that several cats have been ‘at’ for hours… and it changes by the day as well …
Good luck with that mate!
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Calo wrote:
It seems only moderators can post vids. very frustrating.
@ Aussie Infidel:
This Sheila feels like the wool was pulled over Trumpâs eyes this week.
doriangrey wrote:
except for the 60k or so people who no longer habitated. I don’t know how many people died post-blast from injuries sustained or how many sustained life-changing injuries.
‘not that bad’ is bad enough
Aussie Infidel wrote:
I never get to go anywhere!
eaglesoars wrote:
Get Willow to trot you around the block!
HEH !
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Calo wrote:
Not so much dragged over his eyes… but the MSM, Dems, RNCe and assorted RINOs were ganging up on him so he did the minimum available.
That should be the GOPe of course!
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eaglesoars wrote:
That’ll teach ’em to NOT stay SPREAD OUT!
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Aussie Infidel wrote:
Please, I did 3 dog walks today and Mia is just coming down from a severe case of the puppy zoomies.
I don’t know whose idea it was to get a puppy but they’d better clean up this wreck.
I’m going to bed. Maybe the elves will show up while I’m asleep
Cities are not good places when there are nukes in the air.
Now the outback in Oz is perfect. Nobody would even know if a nuke went off and 6 months later folks would wonder why Fred and his missus haven’t been into town to collect their mail for a while!
There were dozens of Brit nukes exploded in South Australia as well as multiple hydrogen bombs detonated on Christmas Island and nobody in Oz even knew about it!
@ eaglesoars:
HEH!
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That’ll learn ‘ya having puppies.
Not really. They are worth every zoomie attack!
eaglesoars wrote:
The Chinese are not known for the humanitarianism. They won’t even blink an eye at 60k.
@ Aussie Infidel:
Wasn’t the “Gordian Knot” somewhere in the middle east? Suddenly things start to become a little clearer. Especially when you apply the Alexandrian solution to such.
They will however blink if a dialled up to max yield B-61 inside of a penetrator hits the Three Gorges Dam. It’s already in a very ‘delicate’ condition as it is and it’s
PaladinPhil wrote:
It certainly was and it was Alexander who supposedly ‘solved’ it!
Keep it simple and use ‘extreme prejudice’ to the problem usually does the job!
doriangrey wrote:
It was startling when we were taught about nukes in the military. It was amazing how much smaller everything was than what we had been led to believe. The fallout, the amount of time it hangs around, the blast radius, the secondary ring, the tertiary ring. It was all way smaller than what we had thought until you get up into the big boys.
Camacho American Barrel Aged.
Deplorable Martian Overlord wrote:
Yup. The Marxist plan was to make the use of nuclear weapons by the United States impossible by making the average citizen believe that ANY use of them was a world ending event. Pure propaganda designed to give Soviet Russia the tactical advantage by ensuring that America would not actually use their nuclear weapons.
Reality is considerably different than the propaganda pushed by the Marxist controlled media. The vast majority of nuclear weapons are under 250Kt, with even that size being in the minority. The average yield is between 20 and 40 Kt.
If you were within 5 miles of the target, yes a 20Kt nuke would pretty much ruin your day. But a war with several hundred 20 to 40Kt weapons being used would not be a world ending event, it would be more akin to all of the damage done during WWII taking place in a couple of hours instead of 6 years.
One of the super popular scare tactics is, that we have enough nuclear weapons to destroy the world. The truth, is we do not. All of the world nuclear weapons detonated all at the same time would not equal the asteroid that “Wiped out the dinosaurs”.
The Chicxulub event as it is called was 100 million Mt yield. It did not wipe the dinosaurs out over night. Contrary to what most people believe they have been taught, the dinosaurs survived the asteroid impact. In fact, they survived it by between 100 and 250 thousand years.
What the dinosaurs were not able to survive was the rapid climatic changes that the Chicxulub event caused. Most people know about the Chicxulub event, most also have heard something about the eruption of the Deccan Traps. but what they do not realize is that the two are directly related.
The Chicxulub event threw 18 million cubic miles of rock into the atmosphere, something like 150 miles up. That 18 million cubic miles of rock took a long as time to fall back to earth. The Deccan traps eruption is exactly on the opposite side of the earth as the Chicxulub event event. The Deccan traps eruption lasted nearly a million years after the eruption.
The KâT extinction is marked by the K-T or Cretaceous-Tertiary boundary, its a layer of clay and shocked quarts and mineral that contains in places as much as 30 times the amount of Iridium as is found anywhere else on earth. The K-T Boundary is about 2 inches thick, and took anywhere between 250,000 to a million years to be laid down.
There are no dinosaurs above the K-T boundary, which is why its called the K-T extinction boundary. But the dinosaurs did not all died out the same day that the asteroid struck. When the asteroid struck it caused the Deccan traps to erupt, think 10,000 Kilauea volcano’s all erupting every singles day for a million years.
Between the asteroid impact and the Deccan traps eruption earth climate was changed more rapidly than the dinosaurs could evolve, that is what wiped out the dinosaurs.
How is this all relevant? All of the nuclear weapons on earth all detonated at the same time would not cause another “Deccan Traps” level volcanic eruption, nor would they throw 18 million cubic miles of rock 150 miles into the atmosphere to rain back down over the next quarter of a million years.
Anything that wasn’t killed in the first 90 days after the Chicxulub impact basically survived until the climatic changes became to great for it to evolve fast enough to survive.
If all the nukes on earth we detonated at the same time, it would probably kill off between 1/3rd to 1/2 of all human life, that’s somewhere between 3 and 4.5 BILLION people. And yes, that would be way fucking bad. But no necessarily the end of the human race.
Where the really big bombs went off would have zones of lethal radiation that would be deadly lethal for decades but would basically be habitual again in between 300 and 1000 years.
Anything that lived in those radiation zones would not be killed instantly by the radiation, but prone to devastating genetic mutations and various forms of cancer. Chernobyl is a very good example of what those radiation zones would be like.
The plants around Chernobyl have already adapted as have most of the animal species, though cancer rates and catastrophic genetic mutations among the animal populations are pretty common.
In other words, the survival of the human race would not be impacted as much by the detonation of the entire worlds nuclear arsenal, as it would be by humanity’s ability to control its environment or adapt to the changed environment afterwards.
Nor would the change in earths environment be as profound as that caused by the combination of the Chicxulub impact and subsequent Deccan traps eruptions.
Now please please please understand, I am not advocating for a nuclear war. I am just making a case for the fact that what most people have been taught about a potential nuclear war was propaganda designed to prevent the United States from using its nuclear arsenal against Soviet Russia.
In the end a nuclear war between the Soviet Union and the US didn’t happen, not because the Soviet Union didn’t think they couldn’t survive a nuclear war, but because they could predict for certain whether the US would retaliate with nuclear weapons. 1/3rd to 1/2 of their population dying and any hope of their gaining world domination would end with that nuclear exchange. That was a gamble they eventually decided was to great to take.
That equation absolutely does not apply to Iran, and might not apply to China which makes making assumptions regarding whether they would willing engage in a all out nuclear war far more difficult to calculate.