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  • SOTU 2019 OPEN

    by coldwarrior ( 222 Comments › )
    Filed under Open thread, Politics at February 5th, 2019 - 8:09 am

    It’s that time of year again! This is when President Trump goes to Congress, gives the State Of The Union, looks and sounds Presidential and level headed…and the Dems lose their collective mind and throw a psychotic-break driven response that makes them look ridiculous to everyone but their core base.

    Should be a good one! And…I hear the mummified remains of RBG will be in attendance. Neat trick, if I were off from work that long and then just showed up at a social event and not to work, I would get fired.

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    1. RIX
      1 | February 5, 2019 8:40 am

      https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/democrats-block-senate-bill-requiring-medical-care-for-babies-that-survive-abortion
      @ Sashington Examiner
      Ben Sasse who imo usually gets everything wrong got this right. He introduced a bill for unanimous consent to protect BORN babies. Slam dunk right? No, Patty Murray objected! What is wrong with the wiring of your brain to do that?
      I am not a fan of hyperbole, but when Mary Shelly wrote Frankenstein, she never envisioned a monster like Patty Murray.


    2. coldwarrior
      2 | February 5, 2019 9:20 am

      @ RIX:
      Its amazing to watch.


    3. eaglesoars
      3 | February 5, 2019 10:49 am

      WHO??

      Report: Bill Weld Registers Republican To Primary Trump

      https://thelibertarianrepublic.com/report-bill-weld-registers-republican-to-primary-trump/

      This guy’s got less name recognition than Howard what’s-his-name. He can’t even bleed off votes. Gotta be a money scam somehow.


    4. eaglesoars
      4 | February 5, 2019 12:15 pm

      RIX wrote:

      What is wrong with the wiring of your brain to do that?

      This from the woman who praised bin Laden for day care stuff, right? I can’t even think of a sane strategy behind her vote. Now – I think – they get a roll call and every Democrat gets to go on record.

      effing brilliant


    5. RIX
      5 | February 5, 2019 12:48 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      @ RIX:
      Its amazing to watch.

      And disturbing.


    6. RIX
      6 | February 5, 2019 12:50 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      RIX wrote:

      What is wrong with the wiring of your brain to do that?

      This from the woman who praised bin Laden for day care stuff, right? I can’t even think of a sane strategy behind her vote. Now – I think – they get a roll call and every Democrat gets to go on record.

      effing brilliant

      She has never demonstrated judgement or intellect.


    7. coldwarrior
      7 | February 5, 2019 3:19 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Now – I think – they get a roll call and every Democrat gets to go on record.

      yep.

      nail the pelts to the wall

      to be honest, im fairly libertarian on abortions. i dont want anyone’s morals pushed on me, nor will i push my morals on someone else.

      HOWEVER, THE CHILD IS VIABLE at about 20 weeks, anything after that is in fact murder.


    8. coldwarrior
      8 | February 5, 2019 3:20 pm

      got to the hotel, turned on foxnews.

      yep, shepp is a jagoff. i havent seen his song and dance for years.


    9. eaglesoars
      9 | February 5, 2019 3:55 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      HOWEVER, THE CHILD IS VIABLE at about 20 weeks, anything after that is in fact murder.

      I think you know my BFF is a nurse. I asked her what happens at 20 wks that all of a sudden the pregnancy has to be terminated. “She changed her mind, period”.

      The ONLY circumstance my imagination can come up with is that a young girl is raped and doesn’t understand she’s pregnant or is too afraid to say anything. As tragic as it is, it’s nobody else’s business.

      It’s a glorious 72 degrees. I kept Willow home with me for ‘mom time’. We went to her favorite pet store where she was fawned over, snuck behind the counter to beg treats, and then to the park where she could wander to her heart’s content. She’s sleeping it off now. Worth. It.


    10. 10 | February 5, 2019 4:29 pm

      Apologies to all re Noodles and Daddy photo not making the Sunday thread. I have yet to figure out how to add photos using a Mac.

      Daytona is President’s Day weekend – NASCAR’s going back to basics! Last 10 years they’ve been running it the weekend after.

      CW – AT&T Pebble Beach this weekend – but it might be a rain out. Weather here is lousy and is expected to last through Sunday. But at least we’re looking at temps in the low 50’s.


    11. coldwarrior
      11 | February 5, 2019 4:29 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      I think you know my BFF is a nurse. I asked her what happens at 20 wks that all of a sudden the pregnancy has to be terminated. “She changed her mind, period”.

      bingo.

      oh, little stat fact. in europe, their new born death rate is lower than ours.

      yinz know why?

      we will make an attempt to save the baby at 13 weeks, they abort.


    12. coldwarrior
      12 | February 5, 2019 4:31 pm

      @ The Barbarian:

      ahhhh…i thought daytona was this weekend.

      a rainout at pebbel beach? mais non!


    13. 13 | February 5, 2019 4:33 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      I often thought that’s exactly what Jill Stein’s GoFundMe Recount Page was all about. When she hit her limit, she figured she could bleed the plebes for more . I often wondered what happened with all that money since as far as I can tell, NO recount was ever commenced. But the “Hillary Might Get to Be President” idiots were forking over their Christmas shopping money. The fact that they couldn’t wait to pay off the perjurer Ballsey-Fraud should have surprised NO ONE.


    14. coldwarrior
      14 | February 5, 2019 4:34 pm

      gonna go here for dinner…

      https://www.google.com/maps/place/Yellow+Dog+Lantern+Restaurant/@41.434675,-79.7104857,17z/data=!4m7!3m6!1s0x0:0x181676d3b494be0!8m2!3d41.4346713!4d-79.708297!9m1!1b1

      i think i was there about 25 years ago…its a blur.

      will report!


    15. coldwarrior
      15 | February 5, 2019 4:35 pm

      @ The Barbarian:

      fool

      money

      soon parted


    16. 16 | February 5, 2019 4:43 pm

      Of course, I will again miss the SOTU because my commute home occurs right at peak speech time. Even if I leave on time, I don’t make it through my front door until quarter to seven.

      I imagine AOC and the bigot posse will contrive to get themselves placed right in camera range so that they can mug and preen for the audience. Is there ONE camera feed for the networks, or are all of them allowed to have cameras? Because I remember when Joe Wilson yelled out “you lie!” and Nancy looked like she’d swallowed her dentures, we didn’t see the camera pan to Wilson. The only angles I’ve seen are the podium with the President, Speaker and V.P, the area in front to the left, with SCOTUS attendees and the area to the right.

      The question is, of course, WILL AOC ignore protocols and yell out things to the President? I would not put it past her. She’s already made a big show of saying she won’t shake Trump’s hand. My guess is that she’s going to want to position herself so that news outlets will be talking about HER. She really really believes that most of the country adores her. Honey, they think you’re a blithering idiot.

      I wonder if Nancy will be calling her little gaggle of troublemakers into her chambers and tell them that any violations of protocol will result in severe consequences. She’s going to have enough problems not clapping when Trump gives out the good economic news.


    17. Aussie Infidel
      17 | February 5, 2019 6:22 pm

      @ coldwarrior:
      @ eaglesoars:
      – China
       GA and Wuhan University, China, have an agreement for GA to operate three Beidou/GNSS ground stations in Australia at Yarragadee, Western Australia; Mount Stromlo, Australian Capital Territory; and Katherine, Northern Territory. When deployed these stations will contribute to precise Beidou satellite orbit determination in the Southern Hemisphere.

      From a VERY well connected US specialist in the CCP technical capability comment:
      Hosting orbit controlling ground stations in Aus is critical for the PRC to sustain the orbital precision necessary to make Beidou/Compass an essential tool for military and civil operations. Unlike GPS, Beidou has a secondary data relay communication function, text messaging essentially, that is already enabling global anti-submarine ops for the PLAN, via deployed sonobouys. Not yet deployed, but they revealed early successful tests last week. Beidou may prove to be as useful or even better than GPS, but it is controlled by the CCP. If you let your electronic infrastructure slide into dependence on Beidou, you are in yet another form of hock to the CCP.

      Do you know about this? Australia ‘helping’ China develop its rival system to American GPS

      Glad that a few more people have noticed the problem.

      I wrote about Beidou and the Antarctic/Arctic connection in my book China as a Polar Great Power (CUP, 2017) and raised the issue of the WA ground station in my article in The Australian last year about the space race at the poles. The editors took the hyperlinks out of the story, so you had to do your own research to find out what I meant. SMH have just built on that story from last year, taking the newsworthy bits out of an interview I did with Peter Hartcher.

      The ASPI Strategist piece that appeared after my article in The Australian was written by the ONA (Organisation of National Assessment)person in charge of Antarctic security analysis during the era when the decision was made to allow the Beidou station in Australia to go ahead.

      from beautiful Akaroa today,

      Anne-Marie

      Professor Anne-Marie Brady, Department of Political Science and International Relations, University of Canterbury, Otautahi-Christchurch. Aotearoa-New Zealand

      Anne-Marie has been under CCP physical threat from CCP agents and has had several break-ins at her home with data stolen as well as having her car sabotaged, as a form of threat.


    18. coldwarrior
      18 | February 5, 2019 6:29 pm

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      Anne-Marie has been under CCP physical threat from CCP agents and has had several break-ins at her home with data stolen as well as having her car sabotaged, as a form of threat.

      In America that would get the agents aerated.

      I live or you live, comrade


    19. 19 | February 5, 2019 6:37 pm

      I see where this last Super Bowl was the lowest-rated since 2008. Interesting since the 2008 featured an UNDEFEATED Patriots team and featured the Giants’ miraculous “helmet catch.”

      Now of course, some of the Patriots are saying they won’t visit the White House if Trump invites them. Eh.

      News flash, New England. Those ratings should tell you without question the country doesn’t care crap what you do. All your game was was background noise for a party on the first Sunday in February.


    20. Aussie Infidel
      20 | February 5, 2019 6:48 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      Anne-Marie has been under CCP physical threat from CCP agents and has had several break-ins at her home with data stolen as well as having her car sabotaged, as a form of threat.

      In America that would get the agents aerated.

      I live or you live, comrade

      There have been two break-ins at her office at the University of Canterbury near Christchurch and two now at her home in Akaora about 40 Km outside Christchurch plus the sabotage of her car’s brakes. This is a typical standover tactic by the CCP agents ) including some activist students working for China at the university, to frighten Anne-Marie Brady and silence her.

      Sorry to break this to you comrades, but A-MB is made of sterner stuff and now the NZSIS is on the job as are the DPS tasked with investigating the threats and protecting her.


    21. coldwarrior
      21 | February 5, 2019 6:49 pm

      @ The Barbarian:

      Phil’s party at Punxutawney on feb 2 is much better…insane


    22. coldwarrior
      22 | February 5, 2019 6:52 pm

      @ Aussie Infidel:

      house, car, street, etc.

      PA is stand your ground/castle doctrine.

      you eff that up, you get shot. the Quaker State…:lol:


    23. Aussie Infidel
      23 | February 5, 2019 6:55 pm

      @ coldwarrior:
      My guess is that the Aussies know that it’s better to have the stations located in Oz where at the touch of a switch they can be disabled thus instantly destroying the PLA’s ability to use the system offensively.

      Watch out for the cheque book diplomacy throughout the Pacific by China. There are LOTS of corrupt Island nations willing to sell their grandmas for Chinese money that immediately goes into Swiss banking accounts of tribal ‘elders.

      The US had better get its shit together and SOON, before the Chinese get established throughout Polynesia and Melanesia and begin to get into the face of the USN in blue water regions. Up until now the Pacific has been the backwater of world affairs. Not for much longer!


    24. coldwarrior
      24 | February 5, 2019 6:57 pm

      @ coldwarrior:

      it hasnt changed. not one bit. sinatra, duke, assorted cool jazz

      for real excellent american cuisine. the prime rib was perfect.

      the funny part: one ipa, one cali red, one neat tequila with the prime rib…out the door at less than 50.

      except i ate free, one of the old time MDs who is semi retired and admits to the hospital im at bought my dinner.

      there are still some class joints and class guys left.


    25. Aussie Infidel
      25 | February 5, 2019 6:57 pm

      @ coldwarrior:
      You have to catch the cunning bastards first!

      Most of this is just smoke and mirrors, trying to ‘monster’ Anne-Marie Brady into silence.

      Alas for CCP it’s NOT working.


    26. coldwarrior
      26 | February 5, 2019 7:05 pm

      @ Aussie Infidel:
      the us navy is the single most destructive and dominate force in the history of man kind…relatively and otherwise.

      this, from me, an army guy.

      blue water is ours, period. china does not have the culture or mindset or creativity that can defeat the USN in the blue.


    27. coldwarrior
      27 | February 5, 2019 7:07 pm

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      @ coldwarrior:
      You have to catch the cunning bastards first!

      Most of this is just smoke and mirrors, trying to ‘monster’ Anne-Marie Brady into silence.

      Alas for CCP it’s NOT working.

      a dead agent being eaten by that local cats and possums and raccoons…

      would send a message.

      i think possum likes chinese?


    28. rain of lead
      29 | February 5, 2019 7:55 pm

      the girl filed her first tax return tonight

      she’s a full blown American now


    29. coldwarrior
      30 | February 5, 2019 7:58 pm

      @ lobo91:
      Well…she is American..

      Indian…well… she ate at an Indian restaurant once…

      So…maybe…


    30. coldwarrior
      31 | February 5, 2019 7:59 pm

      rain of lead wrote:

      the girl filed her first tax return tonight

      she’s a full blown American now

      Did you show her what she paid for. Of course you did.


    31. eaglesoars
      33 | February 5, 2019 8:11 pm

      lobo91 wrote:

      Elizabeth Warren Claimed On Her State Bar Of Texas Application Her Race Was ‘American Indian’

      Document at the link

      I stopped by to post that. This is hilarious. Handwritten (hers) in 1986. It blatantly says ‘American Indian’, no other ethnicity/race.

      @ Aussie Infidel:

      for some reason, all this sounds familiar.


    32. rain of lead
      34 | February 5, 2019 8:29 pm

      @ coldwarrior:

      she paid a whopping 31 cents in income tax

      “NO REFUND FOR YOU!!”


    33. rain of lead
      35 | February 5, 2019 8:49 pm

      lets get this shit show going


    34. Calo
      36 | February 5, 2019 8:51 pm

      @ rain of lead:
      Yep, ready to watch.


    35. eaglesoars
      37 | February 5, 2019 8:52 pm

      This is from 2012

      Warren maintained a practice in Mass. for over a decade – but was never licensed to practice law in that state

      https://legalinsurrection.com/2012/09/elizabeth-warrens-law-license-problem/


    36. rain of lead
      38 | February 5, 2019 8:52 pm

      @ Calo:

      {{{calo}}}


    37. rain of lead
      39 | February 5, 2019 8:55 pm

      huh no rbg


    38. AZfederalist
    39. rain of lead
      41 | February 5, 2019 8:55 pm

      wait, only 6 sc justices?


    40. rain of lead
      42 | February 5, 2019 8:56 pm

      watching on the fox stream and chat is just screaming by


    41. yenta-fada
      43 | February 5, 2019 8:57 pm

      rain of lead wrote:

      @ Calo:

      {{{calo}}}

      Make that a double. {{Calo}}


    42. rain of lead
      44 | February 5, 2019 8:58 pm

      Melania be looking fine…


    43. yenta-fada
      45 | February 5, 2019 8:59 pm

      rain of lead wrote:

      watching on the fox stream and chat is just screaming by

      aargh. The Juan of Williams. 🙁


    44. rain of lead
      46 | February 5, 2019 9:01 pm

      @ yenta-fada:

      no, no the straight feed

      link

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXep_uf-ESY

      no talking heads


    45. eaglesoars
      47 | February 5, 2019 9:03 pm

      rain of lead wrote:

      Melania be looking fine…

      she’s gonna get slammed for wearing black, I bet. You’ll notice a lot of Dem women are wearing white to show they’re “for women” or something.


    46. rain of lead
      48 | February 5, 2019 9:05 pm

      i hope he names names and busts some heads


    47. Calo
      49 | February 5, 2019 9:11 pm

      What’s up with the white clothes?


    48. yenta-fada
      50 | February 5, 2019 9:12 pm

      Those wimmen wearing white are not jumping up and clapping so much when he talks about unity for the nation


    49. rain of lead
      51 | February 5, 2019 9:14 pm

      @ Calo:

      the suffergette {sp} movement wore white


    50. Calo
      52 | February 5, 2019 9:17 pm

      @ rain of lead:
      There’s a reason I tuned out of politics over the past few months… crap like this. Everybody needs to be a victim.


    51. rain of lead
      53 | February 5, 2019 9:20 pm

      geez, the Dems would frown if he was handing out gold bars


    52. yenta-fada
      54 | February 5, 2019 9:23 pm

      Calo wrote:

      @ rain of lead:
      There’s a reason I tuned out of politics over the past few months… crap like this. Everybody needs to be a victim.

      They look like the female cast of “A Handmaid’s Yale” A future with no children. Or perhaps some other kind of dystopia. I find it distressing. They’re all wearing that popular perfume “The Stench of Stalin” They look dyspeptic as a horde.


    53. lobo91
      55 | February 5, 2019 9:25 pm

      rain of lead wrote:

      geez, the Dems would frown if he was handing out gold bars

      It’s interesting to watch the Democrats refusing to applaud for stuff that they claim to want


    54. rain of lead
      56 | February 5, 2019 9:27 pm

      @ lobo91:

      orange man bad..or something


    55. yenta-fada
      57 | February 5, 2019 9:28 pm

      rain of lead wrote:

      geez, the Dems would frown if he was handing out gold bars

      They HATE America. They are acting like two year olds. They are supposed to look distinguished. Trump is putting out a positive set of messages. That’s part of the job you partisan hacks. I’m ready for wimmen to lose the vote. Not really, but look at those bitchezz.


    56. rain of lead
      58 | February 5, 2019 9:33 pm

      here we go


    57. yenta-fada
      59 | February 5, 2019 9:36 pm

      Kamala Harris has a huge smirk on her face and shaking her head ‘no’.
      I believe she will be the Democrat choice to run against Trump.
      She was brought to Washington for that purpose.


    58. Aussie Infidel
      60 | February 5, 2019 9:39 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      @ coldwarrior:
      You have to catch the cunning bastards first!

      Most of this is just smoke and mirrors, trying to ‘monster’ Anne-Marie Brady into silence.

      Alas for CCP it’s NOT working.

      a dead agent being eaten by that local cats and possums and raccoons…

      would send a message.

      i think possum likes chinese?

      Actually you don’t appreciate the attitude that the CCP has towards its agents. It literally doesn’t give a damn about them and the attitude is that there are 100 others to take the dead guy’s place. That is why trying to negotiate the release of Western spooks for Chinese spooks never works.

      I agree that the USN remains a class on its own for blue water ops they can still lose a lot of ships to Chinese missile strikes and EW attacks when combined with asymmetric warfare and mining threats based out of Island bases.


    59. rain of lead
      61 | February 5, 2019 9:52 pm

      heh

      ” I haven’t seen this many Democrats wearing white since the last time Nathan Bedford Forrest rode into town….


    60. eaglesoars
      62 | February 5, 2019 9:57 pm

      rain of lead wrote:

      heh

      ” I haven’t seen this many Democrats wearing white since the last time Nathan Bedford Forrest rode into town….

      ” the Bleached Estrogen Borg section”

      https://pjmedia.com/blog/liveblogevent/live-blog-180/entry-252267/


    61. rain of lead
      63 | February 5, 2019 10:02 pm

      god, shumer just oozes evil


    62. yenta-fada
      64 | February 5, 2019 10:07 pm

      rain of lead wrote:

      god, shumer just oozes evil

      He enjoys it.


    63. yenta-fada
      65 | February 5, 2019 10:09 pm

      He gets so little credit for progress in North Korea. I’m not so sure he should have taken on the huge problems in Venezuela.


    64. yenta-fada
      66 | February 5, 2019 10:11 pm

      @ rain of lead:

      Everybody is at other blogss. I don’t blame them, but I wish it was livlier in here.


    65. yenta-fada
      67 | February 5, 2019 10:19 pm

      Wow, he got the handmaids to stand up and clap for a policeman.


    66. Deplorable Bumr50
      68 | February 5, 2019 10:21 pm

      @ yenta-fada:

      I think the speech is excellent, yenta.

      A lot of impatience on our side other places, but he’s addressing the Nation.

      So far he’s delivered the most pro-life, pro-border security, pro-freedom, and anti-socialist speech I’ve ever heard from an American President.

      (Oh, and now he’s on to neverending neocon interventionalism)


    67. rain of lead
      69 | February 5, 2019 10:21 pm

      bloody hell
      the birthday song at a stotu


    68. eaglesoars
      70 | February 5, 2019 10:38 pm

      rain of lead wrote:

      bloody hell
      the birthday song at a stotu

      loved it.

      Now for that LOSER from Georgia. If this is what the Dems think of as a ‘rising start’, we’re golden for a generation


    69. 71 | February 5, 2019 10:38 pm

      Does anyone still think FOX News is right wing?


    70. rain of lead
      72 | February 5, 2019 10:49 pm

      @ Bunk X:

      well, nobody around here


    71. eaglesoars
      73 | February 5, 2019 10:49 pm

      @ Bunk X:

      what was ‘biased’? Other than Yawn Williams saying he thought it was a ‘hum drum speech’?


    72. 74 | February 5, 2019 10:49 pm

      @ Deplorable Bumr50:
      It’s confirmed. Mitch McConnell is a dickhead. He had two thumbs stuck up his Maxine.


    73. 75 | February 5, 2019 10:50 pm

      @ eaglesoars:
      I watched the FOX “reply” analysis.


    74. 76 | February 5, 2019 10:51 pm

      @ rain of lead:
      😀


    75. eaglesoars
      77 | February 5, 2019 10:52 pm

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      I agree that the USN remains a class on its own for blue water ops they can still lose a lot of ships to Chinese missile strikes and EW attacks when combined with asymmetric warfare and mining threats based out of Island bases.

      There was that Admiral Lin a few weeks ago who gave a speech advocating another Pearl Harbor to see how afraid Americans really are.

      I suspect he’s in a re-education camp these days. Muslims are suicidal, Chinese are not


    76. eaglesoars
      78 | February 5, 2019 10:56 pm

      Bunk X wrote:

      @ eaglesoars:
      I watched the FOX “reply” analysis.

      Brett Baier just said “he really landed it”, Brit Hume gave it high marks.


    77. 79 | February 5, 2019 10:58 pm

      @ eaglesoars:
      Yeah, right. The Chinese know the power of irrational sacrifice.


    78. 80 | February 5, 2019 11:24 pm

      @ eaglesoars:
      Was there more than one FOX News response? I didn’t see Brett Baer or Brit Hume.


    79. eaglesoars
      81 | February 5, 2019 11:36 pm

      Bunk X wrote:

      @ eaglesoars:
      Was there more than one FOX News response? I didn’t see Brett Baer or Brit Hume.

      It was in 2 parts, Hume was on the first, don’t remember if he was on the 2nd.

      I’m off to bed, nite.


    80. Deplorable Bumr50
      82 | February 6, 2019 1:18 am

      @ Bunk X:


    81. Deplorable Bumr50
      83 | February 6, 2019 2:19 am

      Hey Blogmocracy kids. I ain’t been around much. Last time I talked personal I was getting a job at U S Steel. This didn’t happen. I had a heart condition (frequent and irregular PVCs – had em my whole life but I guess they got worse) By the time the cardiologist cleared me the position was filled.

      I was pretty depressed and didn’t tell anyone. Ended up cashing in some shit and working for UPS over the holidays.

      I’m in line for another position at PPG pretty close to my abode. Springdale’s about 20-25 minutes away. Another Steelworkers position.

      I apologize for being a bit of a hermit. The whole thing threw me for a loop.


    82. rain of lead
      84 | February 6, 2019 6:48 am

      @ Deplorable Bumr50:

      life happens
      you can always come here to vent
      it’s like therapy only cheaper


    83. rain of lead
      85 | February 6, 2019 6:49 am

      CBS NEWS POLL: 76 percent of viewers approved of what they heard in Pres. Trump’s #SOTU speech; 72 percent said they approved of Pres. Trump’s ideas for immigration.

      ya know that has to be filling their cracks with sand


    84. eaglesoars
      86 | February 6, 2019 7:41 am

      VDH has an interesting piece up.

      In less melodramatic terms, we are watching a rare revolutionary phase in American politics as leftists have devoured Democrats. Progressives ate liberals. And progressives are now being devoured by socialists, and soon no doubt socialists will be eaten by hard leftists, Communists, anarchists, and nihilists. In such revolutionary logic, perhaps only Antifa will emerge as pure.

      The result is that the 2020 election will offer the starkest choices in the past 50 years, far eclipsing the radical contrasts of 1972. The current parade of would-be Democratic presidential hopefuls is already apologizing for their past sins of Democratic centrism, in fear of being politically guillotined.

      I predict ‘American Indian’ Warren is first under the blade

      https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/02/remodeling-america-modern-day-jacobins/

      Deplorable Bumr50 wrote:

      I was pretty depressed and didn’t tell anyone

      That’s not the way this works. Dummy.


    85. rain of lead
      87 | February 6, 2019 7:56 am

      @ Deplorable Bumr50:

      *fistbump*

      @ eaglesoars:

      {{{hug}}}

      later, got a busy day


    86. RIX
      88 | February 6, 2019 8:12 am

      https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/02/poll-stunner-76-percent-of-viewers-approve-president-trumps-state-of-the-union-speech-72-percent-approve-his-immigration-ideas/
      @ Gateway Pundit
      Instant CNN & CBS polls on the SOTU do not yield numbers that they wanted.


    87. RIX
      89 | February 6, 2019 9:00 am

      https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2019/02/06/peak-tds-howard-dean-blames-realdonaldtrump-for-guy-deported-from-the-uk-to-jamaica/
      @ Twitchy
      It appears that Howard Dean is blaming trump for deportation of Jamaicans.
      The deportations are from the UK!


    88. 90 | February 6, 2019 9:36 am

      From what I gather and the bits I’ve seen and some notices on Twitchy, it appears the SOTU was a roaring success and there were plenty of shots of dumb Democrats upset over no socialism and Horizontal Harris making faces when Trump said he wanted to stop drugs and gangs getting into the U.S. And Nancy disrespectfully reading during the speech. Thanks, Dems. Plenty of great visual for the 2020 campaign! FOR THE REPUBLICANS.

      Haven’t seen anything substantive on the Georgia idiot’s response.

      Horizontal Harris will be DESTROYED if she’s the nominee. They’re all about gender and color. They can’t look at her for the tremendously flawed and nasty individual that she is.


    89. rain of lead
      91 | February 6, 2019 9:53 am

      : TRUMP CAMPAIGN ANNOUNCES MAGA RALLY MONDAY, FEBRUARY 11 – EL PASO, TX

      election begun, it has


    90. eaglesoars
      92 | February 6, 2019 9:56 am

      @ RIX:

      Kingston has become a a former pol who, by his behavior, discourages young people from going into politics lest they end up like him, an embittered old man.

      Howard Dean is 70 yrs old. Jack Kingston is early 60s

      https://twitter.com/GovHowardDean/status/1093110893683060737


    91. eaglesoars
      93 | February 6, 2019 9:58 am

      The Barbarian wrote:

      Horizontal Harris will be DESTROYED if she’s the nominee.

      I think the media is already rooting for her


    92. rain of lead
      94 | February 6, 2019 10:04 am

      @ eaglesoars:

      they wouldn’t be picking sides now would they?
      that’s unpossable


    93. 95 | February 6, 2019 10:15 am

      rain of lead wrote:

      : TRUMP CAMPAIGN ANNOUNCES MAGA RALLY MONDAY, FEBRUARY 11 – EL PASO, TX

      election begun, it has

      They’re saying Beto should hold his own rally the same day in El Paso and announce he’s running.


    94. eaglesoars
      96 | February 6, 2019 10:16 am

      rain of lead wrote:

      @ eaglesoars:

      they wouldn’t be picking sides now would they?
      that’s unpossable

      well, that Elizabeth Warren Texas Bar card didn’t come out of nowhere. Altho if I were Harris, it wouldn’t be Warren in my sights, it would be Gillibrand. She’s as smooth a liar as Harris. Warren at least knows she’s lying, Gillibrand really is pathological. I don’t use that word as hyperbole, the woman is mental.


    95. eaglesoars
      97 | February 6, 2019 10:17 am

      @ The Barbarian:

      he’d get 3 people, all of them looking for the nearest gas station. bad idea.


    96. yenta-fada
      98 | February 6, 2019 10:22 am

      @ eaglesoars:

      Funny you should mention the international fascist Antifa movement.

      https://www.thepostmillennial.com/german-antifa-members-post-instructions-to-assassinate-right-wing-politicians/


    97. yenta-fada
      99 | February 6, 2019 10:27 am

      eaglesoars wrote:

      The Barbarian wrote:

      Horizontal Harris will be DESTROYED if she’s the nominee.

      I think the media is already rooting for her

      FOX had her camera shot subtitled “Presidential Candidate” The fix was in during Obama. She was made a Senator by the insiders just like Warren was. They want a woman who is a person of color. She has a killer aspect to her. She’s ice.


    98. yenta-fada
      100 | February 6, 2019 10:37 am

      Deplorable Bumr50 wrote:

      Hey Blogmocracy kids. I ain’t been around much. Last time I talked personal I was getting a job at U S Steel. This didn’t happen. I had a heart condition (frequent and irregular PVCs – had em my whole life but I guess they got worse) By the time the cardiologist cleared me the position was filled.

      I was pretty depressed and didn’t tell anyone. Ended up cashing in some shit and working for UPS over the holidays.

      I’m in line for another position at PPG pretty close to my abode. Springdale’s about 20-25 minutes away. Another Steelworkers position.

      I apologize for being a bit of a hermit. The whole thing threw me for a loop.

      I knew something was wrong, but I wasn’t going to put you on the spot by asking. I’m completely crippled and don’t talk about it. I have never been good at spilling my guts, so I get it. I’m just glad you let go and told us what you have been dealing with. I love you and miss your valuable takes on politics. Thankfully, we aren’t twitter
      here. {{Bumr}}


    99. yenta-fada
      101 | February 6, 2019 10:39 am

      @ RIX:

      Howard Dean has a Groundhog Day moment. lol


    100. rain of lead
      102 | February 6, 2019 11:35 am

      @ yenta-fada:

      he went all YARGGGHHH! again?


    101. 103 | February 6, 2019 11:55 am

      eaglesoars wrote:

      rain of lead wrote:

      @ eaglesoars:

      they wouldn’t be picking sides now would they?
      that’s unpossable

      well, that Elizabeth Warren Texas Bar card didn’t come out of nowhere. Altho if I were Harris, it wouldn’t be Warren in my sights, it would be Gillibrand. She’s as smooth a liar as Harris. Warren at least knows she’s lying, Gillibrand really is pathological. I don’t use that word as hyperbole, the woman is mental.

      Gillibrand was in my office in 2016 at a stump for Hillary reception (I don’t remember if it was any sort of fundraiser – might have been) and I wisely went home early.

      I would like to point out that when Newt Gingrich visited a scant month later on behalf of Trump, I did go and was told by several in attendance at both events that the turnout for Mr. Newt was bigger. My only regret was not asking for a photo, but thought that would be declasse….


    102. 104 | February 6, 2019 12:01 pm

      @ yenta-fada:

      Ditto what Yenta said, Bummr….Hugs and Hugs.


    103. rain of lead
      105 | February 6, 2019 12:01 pm

      OH. MY. GOD!

      BREAKING: Virginia’s Democratic attorney general, second in line to be governor, says he wore blackface at a college party in 1980, deepening state scandal.


    104. rain of lead
      106 | February 6, 2019 12:01 pm

      http://ace.mu.nu/


    105. eaglesoars
      107 | February 6, 2019 12:27 pm

      rain of lead wrote:

      deepening state scandal.

      no it doesn’t. It absolutely clears Northam. Now back to infanticide.

      I’m laughing my ass off. Is this a great country or WHAT?

      @ The Barbarian:

      If you ever get another chance to meet her, pro tip: from my personal observations, I think she has a ‘tell’ when she’s lying to your face. She bats her eyelashes.


    106. eaglesoars
      108 | February 6, 2019 1:01 pm

      I’ve been reading about this for a couple years. Don’t have the background to evaluate it, but it’s interesting.

      Age reversal via blood

      https://joshmitteldorf.scienceblog.com/2019/02/05/rumors-of-age-reversal-the-plasma-fraction-cure/


    107. eaglesoars
      109 | February 6, 2019 1:21 pm

      Larry Sabato has gone all prissy

      “Isolated incident” for Herring, perhaps, but not for @UVA. A certain element here has long thought blackface was amusing and acceptable. I favor automatic expulsion for any student engaging in this disgraceful conduct.

      https://twitter.com/LarrySabato/status/1093207845573672965


    108. eaglesoars
      110 | February 6, 2019 1:32 pm

      wut?

      Bank Of America: Oil Demand Growth To Hit Zero Within A Decade

      By 2030, oil demand could hit a peak and then enter decline, according to a new report.

      For the next decade or so, oil demand should continue to grow, although at a slower and slower rate. According to Bank of America Merrill Lynch, the annual increase in global oil consumption slows dramatically in the years ahead. By 2024, demand growth halves, falling to just 0.6 million barrels per day (mb/d), down from 1.2 mb/d this year.

      But by 2030, demand growth zeros out as consumption hits a permanent peak, before falling at a relatively rapid rate thereafter.

      The main driver of the destruction in demand is the proliferation of electric vehicles

      https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02-06/bank-america-oil-demand-growth-hit-zero-within-decade


    109. eaglesoars
      111 | February 6, 2019 1:46 pm

      watch this video. Kristen Sinema is standing and applauding something in Trump’s speech and one of the Estrogen Bleach Brigade tells her “Watch your ass”. I don’t know who she is.

      https://twitter.com/Va_Funculo/status/1093176160824053760


    110. eaglesoars
      112 | February 6, 2019 1:48 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      I don’t know who she is.

      Sen Jacky Rosen, Nevada

      https://twitter.com/SenJackyRosen


    111. 113 | February 6, 2019 2:21 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      eaglesoars wrote:

      I don’t know who she is.

      Sen Jacky Rosen, Nevada

      https://twitter.com/SenJackyRosen

      She’s getting called out about it on her Twitter feed – asking if she was making a threat to the Senator. I guess she didn’t know they’d caught her on tape.


    112. yenta-fada
      114 | February 6, 2019 2:28 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      watch this video. Kristen Sinema is standing and applauding something in Trump’s speech and one of the Estrogen Bleach Brigade tells her “Watch your ass”. I don’t know who she is.

      https://twitter.com/Va_Funculo/status/1093176160824053760

      Sinema didn’t don the white garb either. Den of poisonous snakes. I was wondering why Pelosi was going to Egypt and Afghanistan. More likely to be meeting Iranians there imho. That seems to be a popular set up from the Obama years.


    113. eaglesoars
      115 | February 6, 2019 2:35 pm

      @ The Barbarian:

      I saw that. I doubt it makes a dent. She doesn’t answer to those people, she answers to the hive.

      I have no comment on the idea that it never occurred to her every fart during SCOTUS is going to be captured somehow.

      There’s something else glowing that may become a dumpster fire. Some Hispanic Congresswoman seems to have threatened a teenager. And not just any teenager

      Rep. Velazquez to teenage activist: ‘Be afraid’ and ‘learn my name’

      https://1010wins.radio.com/articles/rep-nydia-velazquez-tells-conservative-teen-he-should-be-afraid-after-twitter-jab

      She was talking to CJ Pearson, the young black kid.

      oops

      gotta hop, later


    114. eaglesoars
      116 | February 6, 2019 2:37 pm

      yenta-fada wrote:

      More likely to be meeting Iranians there imho.

      I have to think about that one.


    115. yenta-fada
      117 | February 6, 2019 2:39 pm

      Stalinists at twitter don’t have a sense of humor.

      https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02-06/twitter-locks-daily-caller-eics-account-over-traumatizing-learn-code-tweet


    116. 118 | February 6, 2019 2:45 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      @ coldwarrior:
      a dead agent being eaten by that local cats and possums and raccoons…
      would send a message.

      i think possum likes chinese?

      I saw what you did there.


    117. 119 | February 6, 2019 2:51 pm

      yenta-fada wrote:

      He gets so little credit for progress in North Korea. I’m not so sure he should have taken on the huge problems in Venezuela.

      We could just watch Venezuela rot until even the bacteria starve, but Russia is messing around down there, too.


    118. RIX
      120 | February 6, 2019 2:53 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      @ RIX:

      Kingston has become a a former pol who, by his behavior, discourages young people from going into politics lest they end up like him, an embittered old man.

      Howard Dean is 70 yrs old. Jack Kingston is early 60s

      https://twitter.com/GovHowardDean/status/1093110893683060737

      Howard Dean is an old fool who prepped as a young fool


    119. 121 | February 6, 2019 3:14 pm

      @ yenta-fada:

      Truthfully I’m getting over Twitter. All my conservative followeds are constantly being invaded by attention seeking no-following liberal trolls who want SOMEONE to pay attention but only succeed in annoying the crap out of me. It’s getting that way with Twitchy too.


    120. coldwarrior
      122 | February 6, 2019 5:10 pm

      looks like the sotu speech was a smashing success.

      CBS POLL: 76% APPROVE OF SPEECH

      and i just saw rep hank johnson (moron, Guam) stating on fox that the dems could vote for a smart wall…the dems are caving

      i watched the speech and thought it was well done.


    121. 123 | February 6, 2019 5:42 pm

      @ coldwarrior:

      And all that great video of Democrats not happy about not caving to socialism, of Horitzonal Harris shaking her head about not letting in criminals and drugs. Priceless.


    122. coldwarrior
      124 | February 6, 2019 6:12 pm

      https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/25/4/18-1305_article

      Heads up, yinz


    123. Aussie Infidel
      125 | February 6, 2019 6:20 pm

      Just in . Yet another travesty of Justice. Cop son collared a murdering SOB. The guy stove the back of some poor sod’s head in at work with a metal pipe. The jury found him guilty of murder but the judge allowed him out on bail awaiting sentencing. He didn’t turn up and the cops had to go hunting him down. They finally caught up with him over and STILL the judge gives this ‘victim of the system’ 10 MONTHS … for MURDER.

      WTF?

      Welcome to the Peoples democratic republic of socialist NZ ! Bloody activist judges and a dime a dozen here and the bad guys know that they are easy street when it comes to sentencing. This Labour government has emptied out 20% of prisoners in jails and it takes some serious shit to actually get sent up the river these days. Most get fines( that they never pay) and/or Home Detention.

      SPIT


    124. Aussie Infidel
      126 | February 6, 2019 6:22 pm

      I hope that this goes to the Supreme Court on appeal but I’m NOT holding my breath!


    125. eaglesoars
      127 | February 6, 2019 6:35 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/25/4/18-1305_article

      Heads up, yinz

      I know it means I’m a bad person, so be it. But I do so wish that every one of these open-borders pols has someone in their family seriously harmed by the result of the policy. Someone they love more than life.

      CW, did you see that piece I posted upthread about age reversal via blood proteins?


    126. eaglesoars
      128 | February 6, 2019 6:38 pm

      The Barbarian wrote:

      @ coldwarrior:

      And all that great video of Democrats not happy about not caving to socialism, of Horitzonal Harris shaking her head about not letting in criminals and drugs. Priceless.

      Unlike you, I still get a kick out of twitter. Right now I’m seeing hilarious justifications of socialism because the post office and public roads are all examples of socialism and we’re all jerk offs for not understanding that.


    127. eaglesoars
      129 | February 6, 2019 6:41 pm

      Holy Mother of God

      MUTANT MICE Aborted babies’ BODY PARTS fused with mice to ‘humanise’ them for grim ‘Frankenstein’ experiments in US labs

      Abortion clinics have been supplying researchers in the United States with terminated fetuses, parts of which are then fused with rodents as part of a bid to stamp out diseases and save millions of people

      https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8367760/aborted-baby-body-parts-sewn-mice-experiments-us-labs/


    128. 130 | February 6, 2019 7:38 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      You’re not alone. I have wished the same thing.


    129. 131 | February 6, 2019 7:38 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      The Barbarian wrote:

      @ coldwarrior:

      And all that great video of Democrats not happy about not caving to socialism, of Horitzonal Harris shaking her head about not letting in criminals and drugs. Priceless.

      Unlike you, I still get a kick out of twitter. Right now I’m seeing hilarious justifications of socialism because the post office and public roads are all examples of socialism and we’re all jerk offs for not understanding that.

      Oh those are fun.


    130. 132 | February 6, 2019 7:39 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Holy Mother of God

      MUTANT MICE Aborted babies’ BODY PARTS fused with mice to ‘humanise’ them for grim ‘Frankenstein’ experiments in US labs

      Abortion clinics have been supplying researchers in the United States with terminated fetuses, parts of which are then fused with rodents as part of a bid to stamp out diseases and save millions of people

      https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8367760/aborted-baby-body-parts-sewn-mice-experiments-us-labs/

      I am officially sick to my stomach.


    131. Possum
      133 | February 6, 2019 7:47 pm

      @ The Barbarian:
      I know nothing.

      Cold warrior can put me straight.

      Can’t they do most if this shit with umbilical cord samples, or cells from Amniocentesis tests?


    132. eaglesoars
      134 | February 6, 2019 7:52 pm

      Possum wrote:

      @ The Barbarian:
      I know nothing.

      Cold warrior can put me straight.

      Can’t they do most if this shit with umbilical cord samples, or cells from Amniocentesis tests?

      you’re referring to stem cell research. this is about actual organs


    133. RIX
      135 | February 6, 2019 8:16 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Holy Mother of God

      MUTANT MICE Aborted babies’ BODY PARTS fused with mice to ‘humanise’ them for grim ‘Frankenstein’ experiments in US labs

      Abortion clinics have been supplying researchers in the United States with terminated fetuses, parts of which are then fused with rodents as part of a bid to stamp out diseases and save millions of people

      https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8367760/aborted-baby-body-parts-sewn-mice-experiments-us-labs/

      Good Lord, have we reached bottom yet? The depravity gets stronger.


    134. Possum
      136 | February 6, 2019 8:17 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      But a stem cell can be any organ that is told to be.

      As I understand, and forgive me, times have changed since I was a medical student in 1976 a stem cell has no idea what it will divide and become until it is influenced by other factors that say “Hey stem cell, you are a liver! ” and off it goes, dividing and multiplying and its grand, grand….. grand children are a liver!

      OK so taking fetal tissue who’s cells were already pre-destined to be a liver is a short cut.

      Now, as to the whole abortion thing. Yes I understand the reasons. I am not anti abortion at an early stage. That is another discussion.

      As to using the results of an abortion to eventually grow organs that can be then transplanted into humans that need an organ transplant?

      Yes, let us try it.

      As a society we have no problem with donated organs from a car crash victim. How about donated organs from an abortion?


    135. Possum
      137 | February 6, 2019 8:38 pm

      Um, I am now in a strange place. Equating a car crash victim to an abortion victim.

      However, if whatever needs to be done to save another life because of an organ transplant I am OK with this.

      Taking it to the limit.

      A patient needs a kidney transplant, they are on almost continual dialysis and no donors are available.

      Then it is found an abortion will take place because the woman was raped but the tissue type of the fetus is a perfect match!

      Abort the fetus and grow a new kidney and after 18 months when it is large enough transplant it.


    136. AZfederalist
      138 | February 6, 2019 8:45 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      The main driver of the destruction in demand is the proliferation of electric vehicles

      … and those electric vehicles are charged by electricity coming from what source? Not enough solar or wind to cover that much demand.

      /somebody is taking BofA fully into SJW territory.


    137. AZfederalist
      139 | February 6, 2019 8:50 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      wish that every one of these open-borders pols has someone in their family seriously harmed by the result of the policy. Someone they love more than life.

      Those open border pols? The only people they love more than life are themselves.


    138. eaglesoars
      140 | February 6, 2019 9:10 pm

      Possum wrote:

      How about donated organs from an abortion?

      no. and I’m too tired to go into it but it’s worth a discussion.


    139. 141 | February 6, 2019 9:10 pm

      AZfederalist wrote:

      Those open border pols? The only people they love more than life are themselves.

      No, the only people they love more than life itself, are a bunch of dead presidents printed on green strips of paper. Don’t ever get that fucked up. For their GOD, they will do ANYTHING.


    140. AZfederalist
      142 | February 6, 2019 9:11 pm

      @ doriangrey:

      You have a very valid point.


    141. AZfederalist
      143 | February 6, 2019 9:13 pm

      @ doriangrey:

      Although after a little thought, I would also add that even more than their god of money, they value power over other people and the ability to exercise that power more than life itself. That is a truly addicting attitude.


    142. eaglesoars
      144 | February 6, 2019 9:17 pm

      AZfederalist wrote:

      /somebody is taking BofA fully into SJW territory.

      they were, I believe, the first bank to boycott Dick’s for carrying weapons and Dick caved.

      Now I’m willing to bet that these guys would or maybe are backing electric vehicle research. EVs need lithium batteries which depend on cobalt.

      Which is mined by children as young as 4 yrs old.

      So if these asswipes want to start a ‘social justice’ war, I’m loaded for bear.

      There’s a very nice gay couple down the street with a hybrid that they leave plugged in in their driveway. The license plate says LOL GAS, which I get a kick out of. Especially the next time we have a power failure, which we do several times a year.

      Seriously, I don’t understand how they still have that car. I could put it in my purse. But nobody seems to want to steal it. Wonder why.


    143. lobo91
      145 | February 6, 2019 9:20 pm

      Apple Gives Deep State Access To Roger Stone’s iCloud Account, After Refusing To Violate Privacy of San Bernardino Terrorists

      Three years after Apple refused to give the federal government access to the devices used by the San Bernadino terrorists who killed and injured dozens in a mass shooting event, the company has given the office of the Special Counsel complete access to Trump advisor Roger Stone’s iCloud account, reports Apple Insider.

      According to the Washington Post, Apple objected to giving the federal government backdoor access to the shooters iPhones, claiming it would “set a dangerous precedent.”

      “From the beginning, we objected to the FBI’s demand that Apple build a backdoor into the iPhone because we believed it was wrong and would set a dangerous precedent. As a result of the government’s dismissal, neither of these occurred. This case should never have been brought.”

      Fast forward to present, and we see that Apple no longer seems to have the same privacy concerns it once did in 2015. Without any fight, they simply turned over Roger Stone’s iCloud passwords and God knows what else, because Orange Man Bad. The fact that Apple views a political persecution less of a hill to die on than protecting the rights of terrorists who killed and maimed dozens of Americans is quite telling.


    144. eaglesoars
      146 | February 6, 2019 9:53 pm

      @ lobo91:

      let’s see ’em do it for one of Hillary’s devices. One that she hasn’t had hammered to death


    145. Possum
      147 | February 6, 2019 10:46 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Possum wrote:

      How about donated organs from an abortion?

      no. and I’m too tired to go into it but it’s worth a discussion.

      I agree, worth a discussion some day


    146. Aussie Infidel
      148 | February 6, 2019 10:55 pm

      I won’t go into the history of NZ occupation prior to the arrival of the Maori between 1250 and 1350 depending on who you talk to. There is some evidence that there was sparse occupation prior to the arrival of the Maori including Europeans from Northern Europe, Egypt and China.There are also artefacts of later European occupation by Spanish Portuguese and Dutch and Able Tasman mapped part of the NZ East coast in the 1600s. There is genetic evidence of Northern European genes around Lake Taupo that showed up in the remains of early Maori from the area. As well there are myths of forest people with blue eyes and red hair inhabiting the Taupo area when the Mairi arrived there in the 1400-1500s. Meanwhile leaving all that speculation to one side and seeing that NZ has just celebrated Waiting Day which is as close NZ gets to a National Day, and as usual is marked with a lot of political and racial hot air.

      Interesting historical information that never seems to be discussed. Given that the population in NZ of Maori at the beginnings of the 1800s was around 230,000 Maori about 20% were killed by other Maori and another 20% were made slaves. The Maori Musket Wars had arrived. The enslaved Maori tribes were forced to farm Flax and grow potatoes for trade, to get money to buy more muskets from European traders both locally but mostly from New South Wales in Australia. As well slaves made up ‘food on the hoof’ for Maori war parties, who would eat them during their raids. No wonder by 1840 when the Treaty of Waiting was signed by the British Governor Hobson and various tribal Hapu, that so many tribes were VERY keen to sign as a way of escaping from the raids of the Ngapuhi of Northland, and their tribal land encroachment against their neighbours to their immediate South. Increasing contact with European whalers and sealers also infected many Maori with diseases against which they had no immunity. Up to perhaps another 40% were carried off by disease during the 1800s.

      Given that the minuscule numbers of Maori in NZ prior to 1600 ( numbering in just their thousands spread over an area the size of Britain or Italy) and their loose tribal areas based around extended family groups of around 40 persons. it was only the importation of the sweet potato (kumura) from South America (Puru) via Tahiti and Easter Island in around 1600 that allowed an explosion in population, that resulted in inter-tribal warfare and Pa-building (defensive hill forts).The period between the early 1600s and the early 1800s was a time of almost continual tribal warfare, with continually shifting Tribal boundaries, slaving of adjacent tribal Hapu and endemic cannibalism. It’s a wonder how any agreement was reached between the British and Maori in 1840 over confused traditional tribal boundaries given what had transpired for 2 centuries.

      The arrival of Muskets just added to the carnage and the Musket Wars combined with deadly infections posed an existential threat to Maori. By 1840 Maori and especially those Maori where were under threat from the Ngapuhi of the North were VERY keen to come under the protection of the British.

      Well peace didn’t prevail.

      The British Army units had a hard time up in Northland in 1845 with sudden ambushes and rebellions led by the Ngapuhi including the murder of Europeans and then in the early 1860s there were the Land Wars ( in the Waikato South of Auckland) with some serious battles like at Rangiriri and Orakau that accompanied massed confiscations of land by the British and establishment of 100 acre farms in the Waikato for British and NZ colonial troops who had fought in the Land Wars. ( This facilitated the establishment of the NZ dairy industry in the Waikato). There were some more minor rebellions around New Plymouth and with the followers of a Maori mystic from the hinterland behind the East Coast but by the late 19th Century the fighting had ceased. Only 40,000 Maori remained and only about half were full blooded Maori, mostly in the North and the East Cape regions. Maori were given the choice of voting on the General Rolls or in protected Maori Rolls that guaranteed that a Maori voice was always represented in parliament.

      During WWI Maori fought as construction battalions only, in the trenches of the Great War. In WWII the Maori fought in the 28th. Maori Battalion with stunning success winning several Victoria Crosses. ( like Medal of Honour). Maori also fought in other general units with the 1st. NZ Division in the Middle East and Italy and the 2nd. NZ Division in the Pacific. Again they won several Victoria Crosses for Valour including a double VC for Maj Upham fighting in North Africa.

      Happy Waiting Day


    147. Aussie Infidel
      149 | February 6, 2019 10:57 pm

      The Musket Wars were a series of as many as 3,000 battles and raids fought throughout New Zealand (including the Chatham Islands) among Māori between 1807 and 1845, after Māori first obtained muskets and then engaged in an intertribal arms race in order to gain territory or seek revenge for past defeats.[1] The battles resulted in the loss of between 20,000 and 40,000 lives and the enslavement of tens of thousands of Māori and significantly altered the rohe, or tribal territorial boundaries, before the imposition of colonial government in the 1840s.[2][3] The wars are seen as an example of the “fatal impact” of indigenous contact with Europeans.[4]

      The increased use of muskets in intertribal warfare led to changes in the design of pā fortifications, which later benefited Māori when engaged in battles with colonial forces during the New Zealand Wars.

      Responsibility for the beginning of the musket wars is usually attributed to Ngāpuhi chief Hongi Hika, who in 1818 used newly acquired muskets to launch devastating raids from his Northland base into the Bay of Plenty, where local Māori were still relying on traditional weapons of wood and stone. In the following years he launched equally successful raids on iwi in Auckland, Thames, Waikato and Lake Rotorua,[2] taking large numbers of his enemies as slaves, who were put to work cultivating and dressing flax to trade with Europeans for more muskets. His success prompted other iwi to procure firearms in order to mount effective methods of defence and deterrence and the spiral of violence peaked in 1832 and 1833, by which time it had spread to all parts of the country except the inland area of the North Island later known as the King Country and remote bays and valleys of Fiordland in the South Island. In 1835 the fighting went offshore as Ngāti Mutunga and Ngāti Tama launched devastating raids on the pacifist Moriori in the Chatham Islands.

      Historian Michael King suggested the term “holocaust” could be applied to the Musket War period;[5] another historian, Angela Ballara, has questioned the validity of the term “musket wars”, suggesting the conflict was no more than a continuation of Māori tikanga (custom), but more destructive because of the widespread use of firearms.[4]

      Contents

      1Origin and escalation of warfare
      2Conflict and consequences
      3Historiography
      4Use of the musket by Māori
      5Prohibition measures
      6References
      6.1Further reading
      7External links
      Origin and escalation of warfare[edit]

      Māori began acquiring European muskets in the early 19th century from Sydney-based flax and timber merchants. Because they had never had projectile weapons, they initially sought guns for hunting. Their first known use in intertribal fighting was in the 1807 battle of Moremonui between Ngāpuhi and Ngāti Whātua in Northland near present-day Dargaville. Although they had some muskets, Ngāpuhi warriors struggled to load and reload them and were defeated by an enemy armed only with traditional weapons—the clubs and blades known as patu and taiaha. Soon after, members of the Ngāti Korokoro hapū of Ngāpuhi suffered severe losses in a raid on the Kai Tutae hapu despite outnumbering their foe ten to one, because the Kai Tutae were equipped with muskets.[5]

      Under Hongi Hika’s command, Ngāpuhi began amassing muskets and from about 1818 began launching effective raids on hapu throughout the North Island against whom they had grievances. Rather than occupy territory in areas they defeated their enemy, they seized taonga (treasures) and slaves, who they put to work to grow and prepare more crops—chiefly flax and potatoes—as well as pigs to trade for even more weapons. A flourishing trade in the smoked heads of slain enemies and slaves also developed. The custom of utu, or reciprocation, led to a growing series of reprisals as other iwi realised the benefits of muskets for warfare, prompting an arms race among warring groups.[5] In 1821 Hongi Hika travelled to England with missionary Thomas Kendall and in Sydney on his return voyage traded the gifts he had obtained in England for between 300 and 500 muskets, which he then used to launch even more devastating raids, with even bigger armies, against iwi from the Auckland region to Rotorua.[5][4]

      Conflict and consequences[edit]

      The violence brought devastation for many tribes, with some wiped out as the vanquished were killed or enslaved, and tribal boundaries were completely redrawn as large swathes of territory were conquered and evacuated. Those changes greatly complicated later dealings with European settlers wishing to gain land.

      Between 1821 and 1823 Hongi Hika attacked Ngāti Pāoa in Auckland, Ngāti Maru in Thames, Waikato tribes at Matakitaki, and Te Arawa at Lake Rotorua, heavily defeating them all. In 1825 he gained a major military victory over Ngāti Whātua at Kaipara north of Auckland, then pursued survivors into Waikato territory to gain revenge for Ngāpuhi’s 1807 defeat. Ngāpuhi chiefs Pōmare and Te Wera Hauraki also led attacks on the East Coast, and in Hawke’s Bay and the Bay of Plenty. Ngāpuhi’s involvement in the musket wars began to recede in the early 1830s.[2]

      Waikato tribes expelled Ngāti Toa chief Te Rauparaha from Kāwhia in 1821, defeated Ngāti Kahungunu at Napier in 1824 and invaded Taranaki in 1826, forcing a number of tribal groups to migrate south. Waikato launched another major incursion into Taranaki in 1831–32.[2]

      Te Rauparaha, meanwhile, had moved first to Taranaki and then to the Kapiti coast and Kapiti Island, which Ngāti Toa chief Te Pehi Kupe captured from the Muaupoko people. About 1827 Te Rauparaha began leading raids into the north of the South Island; by 1830 he had expanded his territory to include Kaikoura and Akaroa and much of the rest of the South Island.[2]

      In 1835 Ngāti Mutunga, Ngāti Tama and Ngāti Toa warriors hijacked a ship to take them to the Chatham Islands where they slaughtered about 10 percent of the Moriori people and enslaved the survivors, before sparking war among themselves.[2]

      The final South Island battles took place in Southland in 1836–37 between forces of Ngāi Tahu leader Tūhawaiki and those of Ngāti Tama chief Te Puoho, who had followed a route from Golden Bay down the West Coast and across the Southern Alps.

      Historiography[edit]

      Historian James Belich has suggested “Potato Wars” as a more accurate name for these battles, due to the revolution the potato brought to the Māori economy.[6] Historian Angela Ballara says that new foods made some aspects of the wars different.[6] Potatoes were introduced in New Zealand in 1769[7] and they became a key staple with better food-value for weight than kūmara (sweet potato), and easier cultivation and storage. Unlike the kūmara with their associated ritual requirements, potatoes were tillable by slaves and women and this freed up men to go to war.[2]

      Belich saw this as a logistical revolution, with potatoes effectively fueling the long range taua that made the musket wars different from any fighting that had come before. Slaves captured in the raids were put to work tending potato patches, freeing up labour to create even larger taua. The duration of the raids was also longer by the 1820s; it became common for warriors to be away for up to a year because it was easier to grow a series of potato crops.

      Use of the musket by Māori[edit]

      The 1807 Battle of Hingakaka, fought between two opposing Maori alliances near modern Te Awamutu, with an estimated 16,000 warriors involved,[8] can be considered the last of the non-musket wars, although as late as about 1815 some conflicts were still being fought with traditional weapons.

      The musket slowly put an end to the traditional combat of Māori warfare using mainly hand weapons and increased the importance of coordinated group manoeuvre. The legendary one-on-one fights such as Potatau Te Wherowhero’s at the battle of Okoki in 1821 became rare.

      Initially, the musket was a tool that inflicted “shock and awe” and enabled traditional and iron weapons to be used to great effect against a demoralised foe. But by the 1830s equally well-armed taua engaged each other with varying degrees of success. Māori learnt most of their musket technology from the various Pākehā Māori who lived in the Bay of Islands and Hokianga area. Some of these men were skilled sailors well experienced in the use of muskets in battles at sea. Maori were not beyond customising their muskets; for example, some enlarged the touch holes which, while reducing muzzle velocity, increased rate of fire.

      Initially Māori found it very hard to obtain muskets as the missionaries refused to trade them or sell powder or shot. The Ngāpuhi put missionaries under intense pressure to repair muskets even at times threatening them with violence. Most muskets were initially obtained while in Australia. Pakeha-Maori such as Jacky Marmon were instrumental in obtaining muskets from trading ships in return for flax, timber and smoked heads. Most muskets sold were low quality, short barrel trade muskets, made cheaply in Birmingham with inferior steel and less precision in the action. The range and accuracy of a trade musket (40m range) could not be compared with that of a proper military (“Tower”) musket such as a Brown Bess or the later standard issue Enfield which required the less common fine grain black powder.[citation needed]

      Maori often preferred the double-barreled tupara (two barrel), shotguns loaded with musket balls, as they could fire twice before reloading. In some battles women were used to reload muskets while the men kept on fighting. Later this presented a problem for the British and colonial forces during the New Zealand Land Wars, when iwi would habitually keep women in the pā. Northern Maori, such as Ngāpuhi, learnt to speed load their muskets by holding three lead balls between the fingers of the left hand. The powder was premeasured in paper twists. When the powder was poured down the barrel, instead of using the ramrod which was slow and awkward, they thumped the butt on the ground.[citation needed] As the barrel was fouled by partly burnt powder residue, the warriors used progressively smaller balls.[citation needed] The muzzle velocity dropped as a result but the smaller balls could still cause severe wounds at close range.

      Prohibition measures[edit]

      From 1845 after the rebellion of Hone Heke, the government enacted a number of laws to attempt to slow or stop the flow of muskets, gunpowder and other warlike stores into New Zealand. The first was the Arms, Gunpowder and other Warlike Stores Act 1845. On 12 November 1846 the Arms Ordinance was passed, followed by the Gunpowder Ordinance Act 1847. Penalties were severe with fines of ₤100–200 for selling a musket to a native in 1848. These laws combined to put a stop to gunrunners selling muskets to Maori. In June 1857 the government passed a law allowing people to have guns and powder for sporting purposes, but in November that year Lt Colonel Wynyard wrote to Governor Brown expressing his concern that this was allowing large quantities of weapons going to Maori, far beyond what was required for sporting purposes. He expressed concern that iwi would use the weapons to settle tribal squabbles with arms. Te Wherowhero, the first Maori king, came to see to the governor at the same time and expressed his concern that so many weapons could be sold to volatile Maori.

      A Maori veteran of the Battle of Ōrākau 1864 told Members of Parliament that Maori had been collecting large quantities of weapons for years prior to the battle to protect their land against other tribes, not with the intention of fighting Europeans. After the land wars the government passed the Firearms Amendments Act 1869 making it illegal for any person to sell weapons to a Maori in rebellion. The only punishment was the death sentence.[9]


    148. Aussie Infidel
      150 | February 6, 2019 11:01 pm

      Possum wrote:

      Um, I am now in a strange place. Equating a car crash victim to an abortion victim.

      However, if whatever needs to be done to save another life because of an organ transplant I am OK with this.

      Taking it to the limit.

      A patient needs a kidney transplant, they are on almost continual dialysis and no donors are available.

      Then it is found an abortion will take place because the woman was raped but the tissue type of the fetus is a perfect match!

      Abort the fetus and grow a new kidney and after 18 months when it is large enough transplant it.

      Lack of consent.

      The car accident victim would give his consent as part of his vehicle licensing paperwork. The foetus doesn’t get to choose.

      A better equivalent for your model is the Chinese system where political prisoners and criminals are now farmed for organs.


    149. Possum
      152 | February 6, 2019 11:07 pm

      @ Aussie Infidel:

      You are correct, I am backing out of this because for the first time I am out of my depth and unsure.

      My initial thought was that a life is lost, but as a result of that others may be able to live.

      I see the other ethical side now….


    150. eaglesoars
      153 | February 6, 2019 11:10 pm

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      A better equivalent for your model is the Chinese system where political prisoners and criminals are now farmed for organs.

      a better model would be if the mother and fetus were both killed in the car accident, no abortion involved.

      Now back to your Maori stuff – before potatoes, what did they eat? Besides each other?


    151. Aussie Infidel
      154 | February 6, 2019 11:14 pm

      lobo91 wrote:

      Apple Gives Deep State Access To Roger Stone’s iCloud Account, After Refusing To Violate Privacy of San Bernardino Terrorists

      Three years after Apple refused to give the federal government access to the devices used by the San Bernadino terrorists who killed and injured dozens in a mass shooting event, the company has given the office of the Special Counsel complete access to Trump advisor Roger Stone’s iCloud account, reports Apple Insider.

      According to the Washington Post, Apple objected to giving the federal government backdoor access to the shooters iPhones, claiming it would “set a dangerous precedent.”

      “From the beginning, we objected to the FBI’s demand that Apple build a backdoor into the iPhone because we believed it was wrong and would set a dangerous precedent. As a result of the government’s dismissal, neither of these occurred. This case should never have been brought.”

      Fast forward to present, and we see that Apple no longer seems to have the same privacy concerns it once did in 2015. Without any fight, they simply turned over Roger Stone’s iCloud passwords and God knows what else, because Orange Man Bad. The fact that Apple views a political persecution less of a hill to die on than protecting the rights of terrorists who killed and maimed dozens of Americans is quite telling.

      Can’t agree. We need to be more straight forward and admit that a LOT of water has gone under the bridge since the San Bernadino terrorists. The facts are that the Apple iCloud got cracked for the US authorities courtesy of the Israelis. At that the guys at Apply pretty much threw in the towel and someone in management decided getting dissed in the media and industry, for being uncooperative with the Feds, was a losing gambit seeing that the Feds could crack the system anyway. Apple fell into line and that status quo holds to this day.
      Roger Stone is now just reaping the result of that battle between Apple and the Feds 3 years ago.


    152. Aussie Infidel
      155 | February 6, 2019 11:16 pm

      @ Possum:
      Not a problem mate.

      🙂


    153. 156 | February 6, 2019 11:16 pm

      @ Possum:
      If the baby is viable, and is born in the US, the baby is now a Citizen of the United States of America and is endowed with certain Inalianable Rights.

      One of those Rights is the Right to Life.


    154. eaglesoars
      157 | February 6, 2019 11:19 pm

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      getting dissed in the media and industry, for being uncooperative with the Feds,

      I’m pretty sure the Feds knew how to crack those phones anyway.


    155. eaglesoars
      158 | February 6, 2019 11:21 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      getting dissed in the media and industry, for being uncooperative with the Feds,

      I’m pretty sure the Feds knew how to crack those phones anyway.

      so there’s no confusion – by ‘Feds’ I don’t mean FBI, altho they may have been able to do it. But I know for a fact that intelligence agencies in the gov’t could get into those phones.


    156. Aussie Infidel
      159 | February 6, 2019 11:26 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      A better equivalent for your model is the Chinese system where political prisoners and criminals are now farmed for organs.

      a better model would be if the mother and fetus were both killed in the car accident, no abortion involved.

      Now back to your Maori stuff – before potatoes, what did they eat? Besides each other?

      Before the early 1600s there were bugger all Maori in NZ. Probably no more that 10,000 or so. For the 250-300 years living in NZ in extended family groups of around 40 with unfortified villages, they are local roots (mainly fern) and killed off All of the large non flying bird life. The various 3-10 foot Moa types vanished in the space of 300 years. There was almost no carbohydrates however. LOTS of Protein, including each other but I digress. Probably little inter tribal mixing and conflict because there was plenty of room and resources.

      Then carbs arrives in the form of Kumra from Puru via the Pacific Island chains of trade. That caused a population explosion and 200 years of inter tribal warfare, cannibalism and fort building . Then when the Europeans traded the potato it was as if a super kumura had arrives and with the potato came the musket and the bloodbath followed between Maori.

      Blame it all on Carbohydrates!

      🙂


    157. Aussie Infidel
      160 | February 6, 2019 11:29 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      getting dissed in the media and industry, for being uncooperative with the Feds,

      I’m pretty sure the Feds knew how to crack those phones anyway.

      Given I know some of those Feds I know that you are correct. However for one reason or another they ‘outsourced’ to the Israelis and it was some Israeli who cracked the Apple iCloud security.


    158. Aussie Infidel
      161 | February 6, 2019 11:31 pm

      @ Bunk X:
      True even if the Governor of the Commonwealth of Virginia thinks otherwise.


    159. eaglesoars
      162 | February 6, 2019 11:38 pm

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      However for one reason or another they ‘outsourced’ to the Israelis and it was some Israeli who cracked the Apple iCloud security.

      my understanding is that the intel agencies who could crack the phones told the FBI to piss up a rope because they think the FBI are amateurs and the FBI didn’t want to crack the phones because they’d already been drama queens about needing the key and it would have looked bad.

      The FBI didn’t want the public to know they can break into phones, so they fucked up the whole thing.

      I’m going to bed.


    160. Aussie Infidel
      163 | February 6, 2019 11:39 pm

      @ eaglesoars:
      G’noite Eagles.

      Sitting here with a Corona and lemon chatting to Rohan. well I’m chatting and Rohan is chirping and smiling!

      “:


    161. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      165 | February 7, 2019 1:32 am

      lobo91 wrote:

      Apple Gives Deep State Access To Roger Stone’s iCloud Account, After Refusing To Violate Privacy of San Bernardino Terrorists

      Three years after Apple refused to give the federal government access to the devices used by the San Bernadino terrorists who killed and injured dozens in a mass shooting event, the company has given the office of the Special Counsel complete access to Trump advisor Roger Stone’s iCloud account, reports Apple Insider.

      According to the Washington Post, Apple objected to giving the federal government backdoor access to the shooters iPhones, claiming it would “set a dangerous precedent.”

      “From the beginning, we objected to the FBI’s demand that Apple build a backdoor into the iPhone because we believed it was wrong and would set a dangerous precedent. As a result of the government’s dismissal, neither of these occurred. This case should never have been brought.”

      Fast forward to present, and we see that Apple no longer seems to have the same privacy concerns it once did in 2015. Without any fight, they simply turned over Roger Stone’s iCloud passwords and God knows what else, because Orange Man Bad. The fact that Apple views a political persecution less of a hill to die on than protecting the rights of terrorists who killed and maimed dozens of Americans is quite telling.

      Apple also made an announcement last week saying that they would not be allowing any form of law enforcement access to other peoples apple devices or accounts. Only took them a couple days to prove they were lying.


    162. eaglesoars
      167 | February 7, 2019 8:44 am

      Conrad Black at his best

      Faced with a Trump they could not defeat and cannot destroy, Democrats appear to be entering a frenzy of primal extremism. If the Democrats go to the voters next year as the party of infanticide, open borders, a 70 percent top personal income tax rate, and the practical abolition of private health care, they will vanish more quickly, and with less distinction, than the Whigs, who at least had serious leaders like Henry Clay, Daniel Webster, and Abraham Lincoln before their party imploded. This thronging riff-raff of Democratic presidential aspirants couldn’t lead the country across Washington’s Francis Scott Key Bridge, and won’t get an invitation to try.

      Even if the Dems try to change the planks of infanticide, etc., to something more benign (like what?), I don’t think people are going to forget. And they’ll never let go of the immigration fraud

      https://amgreatness.com/2019/02/06/donald-trumps-annihilation-of-the-democratic-party/


    163. 168 | February 7, 2019 9:54 am

      @ eaglesoars:
      I pray he’s right.


    164. eaglesoars
      169 | February 7, 2019 10:26 am

      It begins.

      Pelosi didn’t assign AOC to some climate panel committee and WHAT a smack in that pretty face!


    165. 170 | February 7, 2019 11:51 am

      @ right_wing2:

      The visual of AOC and Bernie’s vinegar puss when Trump said no to socialism, of Harris’s stink face when Trump said yes to stopping trafficking and drugs, said it all. But their failure to applaud stopping infanticide is what may do them in most of all.

      The trouble for all of them is that they really believe that the country supports their point of view. I imagine those poll numbers after the speech made Nancy and Chuck realize that their WORST nightmare about the SOTU had come through. The American people SUPPORT the Trump agenda and the Democrats were in full view of the nation rejecting it.

      Oh, and by the way, AOC, it was not “ironic” that Trump mentioned more women in Congress than ever before, yet most of them were Democrats. He was applauding an achievement – it was your petty mind that went elsewhere.


    166. 171 | February 7, 2019 11:53 am

      @ eaglesoars:

      She apparently has also made disparaging remarks about Occasional-Cortex’s silly “Green Deal Resolution” which of course, is no plan at all. AOC believes high-speed rail is the way to go and will eliminate air travel.

      Really, dumbkoff? Come to California. I’ll show you ten years of nothing except a half-finished elevated structure and $50 billion in cost overruns without a single mile of track being laid.


    167. eaglesoars
      172 | February 7, 2019 12:32 pm

      The Barbarian wrote:

      She apparently has also made disparaging remarks about Occasional-Cortex’s silly “Green Deal Resolution” which of course, is no plan at all. AOC believes high-speed rail is the way to go and will eliminate air travel.

      Now that you mention it, I just ran across this piece that has the outline of the ‘Green Deal’. Hilarity ensues.

      —————–

      – Rebuild every single building in the U.S.

      “Upgrade or replace every building in US for state-of-the-art energy efficiency.”

      – Will end all traditional forms of energy in the next ten years.

      The Green New Deal is “a 10-year plan to mobilize every aspect of American society at a scale not seen since World War 2 to achieve net-zero greenhouse gas emissions.”

      – Plans to ban nuclear energy within 10 years if possible.

      “It’s unclear if we will be able to decommission every nuclear plant within 10 years, but the plan is to transition off of nuclear and all fossil fuels as soon as possible.”
      Build trains across oceans and end all air travel!

      – “Build out highspeed rail at a scale where air travel stops becoming necessary”.

      – Don’t invest in new technology of Carbon Capture and Storage, just plant trees instead!

      “We believe the right way to capture carbon is to plant trees and restore our natural ecosystems. CCUS technology to date has not proven effective.”

      – Mandates all new jobs be unionized.

      “Ensure that all GND jobs are union jobs that pay prevailing wages and hire local.”

      – May include a carbon tax.

      “We’re not ruling a carbon tax out, but a carbon tax would be a tiny part of a Green New Deal”
      May include cap and trade.

      “…Cap and trade may be a tiny part of the larger Green New Deal plan”

      How much will it cost?

      No estimate of the total cost of implementing the Green New deal is offered by Ocasio-Cortez.


    168. eaglesoars
      173 | February 7, 2019 12:36 pm

      here’s a piece on Pelosi disparaging the Green Deal – “The green dream or whatever they call it, nobody knows what it is, but they’re for it, right?” -and her announcement of the panel members – which doesn’t include AOC.

      *snort*

      https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/02/07/nancy-pelosi-slights-green-new-deal-green-dream-or-whatever/

      off to get a (badly needed) hair cut, later.


    169. coldwarrior
      174 | February 7, 2019 1:02 pm

      @ eaglesoars:
      And I was hoping aoc would be front and center 24×7


    170. 175 | February 7, 2019 1:51 pm

      @ coldwarrior:
      @ eaglesoars:

      Little lass is going to find herself on her way down. This proposal of hers is SO ridiculous it reads like it was written by a 12-year-old.

      Erick Erickson’s take (much as I dislike him) on her proposal was pretty cool – “This is what happens when Tide Pod eaters try to make public policy.”


    171. 176 | February 7, 2019 2:45 pm

      The millennials who love Tippy Top Tax Lady are lambasting Pelosi and mocking her all over Twitter. If AOC wasn’t an attention whore and grandstander and had an OUNCE of common sense and political acumen, she’d know she’s treading in water up to her neck. But she doesn’t and so….the following quote from Hans Gruber in “Die Hard” immediately came to mind….

      “They’re about to be taught a lesson in the real use of power…you will be witnesses.”


    172. yenta-fada
      177 | February 7, 2019 4:23 pm

      It’s Probably Nothing. Systemic outage of Banking services for Wells Fargo customers. They smell smoke at ONE power facility. Yeah, that’s the ticket. Updates so far have brought some ATMs back. Credit cards, getting your money out or in, meh.

      https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02-07/wells-fargo-online-banking-goes-down-customers-unable-access-accounts


    173. yenta-fada
      178 | February 7, 2019 4:37 pm

      @ yenta-fada:

      Ah ha. Bank came online again a few minutes ago. Never mind. Just a glitch. Always keep some cash at home in case that this becomes more common. Cyber attack? You won’t be told. Remember the term “anti-fragile’? That’s what you should strive for if you can.


    174. 179 | February 7, 2019 4:40 pm

      And Horizontal Harris, not to be outdone and trying desperately to make herself seem hip, has CO-SPONSORED AOC’s ridiculous green bill for the Senate.

      https://www.chicksonright.com/blog/2019/02/07/kamala-girl-what-are-you-doing-even-libs-think-this-was-dumb/

      Haha. Even Californians are done with that whole “high-speed rail” schtick. At this rate, she won’t even win her home state.

      And I can’t wait to see her conduct her Presidential Campaign via ox cart.


    175. darkwords
      180 | February 7, 2019 4:52 pm

      @ eaglesoars:
      The anti Dem ads need to be powerful and persuade people on their own identities.

      Babykillers? You? Me? Of course we say NO! but does the democratic leadership and your elected rep silently approve? Then have a boundary poll and ask people which side they are on. The cautious side where life probably begins at 20 weeks. The irresponsible progressive approach where life begins at birth? Women which are you? Where do you want your sons and daughters to lean? Error on the side of good.


    176. darkwords
      181 | February 7, 2019 4:53 pm

      BSM could probably write those ads well. Just needs a few socialmedia interns to assist.


    177. darkwords
      182 | February 7, 2019 4:55 pm

      Does anyone have any resources about and around crystal meth. I am just starting to research it a bit. NO dealers please!!! Trying to figure out why people take it after I watched a Netlfix on it. And how people recover from it.


    178. 183 | February 7, 2019 5:04 pm

      With all the talk about these lib Democrats (including Joy Behar) talking about dressing up in blackface, I find it odd that here I am, a conservative, pro-life Catholic, and for all the talk about how I’m supposed to be a deplorable racist, it would never, EVER occur to me to dress myself in a manner demeaning to a minority group.


    179. eaglesoars
      184 | February 7, 2019 5:26 pm

      darkwords wrote:

      Trying to figure out why people take it after I watched a Netlfix on it. And how people recover from it.

      I was addicted in 1967. You take it because it makes you feel you have infinite energy, that your IQ is up by 100 pts, and you’re happy.

      Until you crash and THAT is a nightmare, sometimes literally.

      I went cold turkey. Locked myself in my bedroom for 4 days and just did it. After that I did the occasional tab of LSD and smoked a little weed, but I was pretty much done w/the drugs.

      What I took was called back then Black Beauties because they were black gel caps. I had a plastic bag of them, probably about 5000.


    180. RIX
      185 | February 7, 2019 5:50 pm

      The Barbarian wrote:

      With all the talk about these lib Democrats (including Joy Behar) talking about dressing up in blackface, I find it odd that here I am, a conservative, pro-life Catholic, and for all the talk about how I’m supposed to be a deplorable racist, it would never, EVER occur to me to dress myself in a manner demeaning to a minority group.

      Exactly, it never occurred to me or anyone that I know, even when we were kids.


    181. eaglesoars
      186 | February 7, 2019 6:07 pm

      ok, it probably isn’t funny, but I laughed.

      Discarded smart lightbulbs reveal your wifi passwords, stored in the clear

      https://boingboing.net/2019/01/29/fiat-lux.html

      Your internet-of-shit smart lightbulb is probably storing your wifi password in the clear, ready to be recovered by wily dumpster-divers; Limited Results discovered the security worst-practice during a teardown of a Lifx bulb; and that’s just for starters: the bulbs also store their RSA private key and root passwords in the clear and have no security measures to prevent malicious reflashings of their ROMs with exploits, network probes and other nasties.

      ‘internet-of-shit’ is getting stolen.


    182. eaglesoars
      187 | February 7, 2019 6:23 pm

      Wow. Good on Jeff Bezos. The National Enquirer threatened to publish embarrassing photos unless WaPo backed off assertions about the Enquirer. Instead of caving, Bezos has issued a major FUCK YOU and published everything, including the letters from the Enquirer.

      He’s got ’em on blackmail and extortion.

      https://medium.com/@jeffreypbezos/no-thank-you-mr-pecker-146e3922310f


    183. RIX
      188 | February 7, 2019 6:42 pm

      https://www.weaselzippers.us/410388-ocasio-cortezs-green-new-deal-is-light-on-specifics-but-plans-to-eliminate-cow-farts/
      @WZ
      Ocasio Cortez had one some deep thinking about her Green Energy Initiative, which of course she would mandate.
      One glitch here is how to quickly eliminate airplanes and”farting cows”
      This woman is an idiot.


    184. eaglesoars
      189 | February 7, 2019 6:44 pm

      @ RIX:

      my favorite part is rebuilding every building in the country.


    185. 190 | February 7, 2019 6:52 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      Yeah, let’s just tear down all those skyscrapers in every metropolitan area.
      Of course, San Francisco and/or Los Angeles could be hit with earthquakes which might help speed the process.


    186. RIX
      191 | February 7, 2019 7:06 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      @ RIX:

      my favorite part is rebuilding every building in the country.

      She are ejamacted in ecomicics.


    187. eaglesoars
      192 | February 7, 2019 7:09 pm

      @ The Barbarian:

      And let’s not forget places like…Mt Vernon. National Cathedral. Library of Congress. Holocaust Museum. Oh, yeah. And my house. I read thru that thing and I didn’t see anything about taking my guns, cuz that’s what they’d need to do.

      Kim Strassel tweeted that the required solar panels, wind turbines, etc., needed to go 100% renewable would require more land than the square mileage of California.


    188. 193 | February 7, 2019 7:14 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      She’s such an effing idiot. I’m curious if CNN or MSNBC even booked her tonight or if they’re starting to back away. Nancy sent a very powerful signal by refusing to appoint the Green Goddess, aka Tippy Top Tax Tootsie, to that select committee on climate change. She was on NPR earlier today sounding like an idiot, and I imagine that was before the tweets and comments about how stupid these ideas were started hitting the internet.


    189. lobo91
      194 | February 7, 2019 7:46 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      The part about taking your guns is in a separate bill:

      Nadler: ‘We Mean Business’ on Gun Control; ‘It’s Not About Mental Health’

      “We came in, and we mean business,” House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerrold Nadler, a New York Democrat, told CNN’s Chris Cuomo Wednesday night.

      And one major item of Democrat business is gun control:

      I believe there are legislative fixes,” Nadler said. “And you need the political will to pass it, and I think the American — after eight years of the Republicans doing nothing and mass murder after — mass shooting after mass shooting — I think the politics of this country has changed. I think the election results last year showed that.

      We will pass — I would venture to predict that we will pass possibly into law this year universal background checks, maybe the Charleston loophole, and we will develop the political pressure to pass assault weapons bans and other things in the next few years.

      Nadler dismissed concerns that mentally ill people are the ones, by and large, pulling the trigger in mass shootings:

      Well, it’s not about mental health. There are — other countries do not exceed several hundred gun violence deaths a year. We have 35 to 40,000. It’s a slander on the American people to say that our people are so much more mentally ill than people in Europe or Canada or Switzerland.

      Yes, we should deal with mental health, but the real issue is, when you control the number of guns available to people who shouldn’t have them, you reduce gun violence, as was proven in Australia, as we know from various states in the united States, and they (Republicans) don’t want to — they don’t want to recognize this.


    190. eaglesoars
      195 | February 7, 2019 7:47 pm

      OH WAIT!! I HAVE A NEW FAVORITE PART!!

      Read all about how to recycle your own piss to make your morning coffee!

      https://twitter.com/MarkDice/status/1093629910017425408

      somebody should ask AOC if she actually does this now.


    191. eaglesoars
      196 | February 7, 2019 7:48 pm

      @ lobo91:

      fuck him.


    192. lobo91
      197 | February 7, 2019 7:59 pm

      Vet sentenced for implanting heroin in puppies as drug mules

      A veterinarian who surgically implanted liquid heroin in puppies on behalf of Colombian drug traffickers was sentenced to six years in prison Thursday.

      One of the puppies went on to become a drug-detection dog named Heroina.

      The sentence for Andres Lopez Elorez was announced in Brooklyn by U.S. Attorney Richard P. Donoghue and other law enforcement officials.

      Elorez, who pleaded guilty in September to conspiring to import heroin into the United States, was part of a scheme that turned puppies and dogs into drug couriers by stitching packets of liquid heroin into their bodies.

      The U.S. government said Elorez leased a farm in Medellin, Colombia, where he secretly raised dogs and surgically implanted bags of liquid heroin in nine puppies for importation.

      On Jan. 1, 2005, law enforcement searched the farm and seized 17 bags of liquid heroin, including 10 bags that were removed from puppies.

      Three of the puppies died after contracting a virus following the surgeries.

      The Colombian-born Elorez was a fugitive until he was arrested in Spain in 2015; he was extradited to the United States in May 2018.

      At least two of the puppies went on to a better existence.

      Donna, a beagle, was adopted by a Colombian police officer and his family. Heroina, a Rottweiler, was trained by Colombian police to be a drug detection dog.


    193. coldwarrior
      198 | February 7, 2019 8:32 pm

      darkwords wrote:

      Does anyone have any resources about and around crystal meth. I am just starting to research it a bit. NO dealers please!!! Trying to figure out why people take it after I watched a Netlfix on it. And how people recover from it.

      meth is THE PERFECT molecule for the human brain. your brain LOVES it.

      the german blitzkreig was built on it. it works great for a very short term…the problem is that it is highly addictive as it is a full agonist of the catecholamine system and crosses the blood/brain barrier easily.


    194. coldwarrior
      199 | February 7, 2019 8:36 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Green Energy Initiative

      trumps quotes on socialism wasnt a throw away.

      he just claimed more of the middle and drove the dems farther to the left.

      this is like watching the emperor, chuck knoll, dissect and destroy opposing football teams.

      now, the base needs to realize that we are beyond ideology tests. trump is destroying the dems.


    195. coldwarrior
      200 | February 7, 2019 8:43 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      meth is THE PERFECT molecule for the human brain. your brain LOVES it.

      hence the reason i wont go near it. i know what im like. i never did coke, heroine, or meth. i would be stone-assed dead in months.

      like eagles, hey…some acid…you are so beat up the next day there is no way its addictive….shrooms… much fun, i’d smoke a joint if it were legal. that said, its been a good few years since some acid or shrooms.

      so now, a nice cigar and a shot or two of good booze.

      and i need this

      https://www.northernbrewer.com/collections/grainfather-all-grain-brewing/products/the-grainfather-connect

      mmmhmmm. fat beagle brewery needs that!


    196. coldwarrior
      201 | February 7, 2019 8:47 pm

      @ lobo91:

      the dems lose on gun control every time


    197. coldwarrior
      202 | February 7, 2019 8:49 pm

      RIX wrote:

      Exactly, it never occurred to me or anyone that I know, even when we were kids.

      blackface.

      OH HELL NO. i would never have thought to do that.


    198. eaglesoars
      203 | February 7, 2019 8:53 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      this is like watching the emperor, chuck knoll, dissect and destroy opposing football teams.

      now, the base needs to realize that we are beyond ideology tests. trump is destroying the dems.

      spot on with the Chuck Knoll analogy (no way to explain that to people who didn’t get to see the Steelers back then).

      I think the base has always, itself, been past the ideology test because they know exactly the ground they stand on, they have no need for it. It’s the independents who need to make a decision, and for some – especially the ones who dislike Trump – it’s going to be tough. Hubby talked to a work friend today who doesn’t like Trump and said he’s looking for a Dem to vote for. Hubby just laughed at him. For these people, it’s an ego thing. They can’t admit they were wrong.

      My worry is – fraud. Up to and including assassination.


    199. eaglesoars
      204 | February 7, 2019 8:54 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      RIX wrote:

      Exactly, it never occurred to me or anyone that I know, even when we were kids.

      blackface.

      OH HELL NO. i would never have thought to do that.

      does anyone remember that Megyn Kelly got fired from NBC about 3 mos. ago for saying blackface wasn’t considered a bad thing when/where she grew up?


    200. AZfederalist
      205 | February 7, 2019 9:33 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      does anyone remember that Megyn Kelly got fired from NBC about 3 mos. ago for saying blackface wasn’t considered a bad thing when/where she grew up?

      Yeah, but that really doesn’t count. The powers that be were just trying to find an excuse to fire that train wreck. This was a convenient occurrence.


    201. darkwords
      206 | February 7, 2019 9:35 pm

      @ coldwarrior:
      Black face wasn’t present in my area in the midwest. Maybe its an east coast thing? No one even thought of it. I did see people as Harlem Globetrotters at Halloween. They were popular all over my state.


    202. darkwords
      207 | February 7, 2019 9:35 pm

      Dressing up as Freddy Krueger seemed uncalled for.


    203. coldwarrior
      208 | February 7, 2019 9:40 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      the emperor did the same thing lombardi did. run the same play over and over again until they could stop it.

      then when they did, do something else…and then run it again

      this shit aint hard


    204. coldwarrior
      209 | February 7, 2019 9:42 pm

      darkwords wrote:

      @ coldwarrior:
      Black face wasn’t present in my area in the midwest. Maybe its an east coast thing? No one even thought of it. I did see people as Harlem Globetrotters at Halloween. They were popular all over my state.

      all of this seems rather odd


    205. coldwarrior
      210 | February 7, 2019 9:43 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      spot on with the Chuck Knoll analogy (no way to explain that to people who didn’t get to see the Steelers back then).

      it was beautiful to watch.

      the same play, over and over again


    206. coldwarrior
      211 | February 7, 2019 9:51 pm

      darkwords wrote:

      Black face wasn’t present in my area in the midwest.

      the more i think of this…

      blackface? no way in hell. we had three black families in my school, their dads worked in the mills. they lived in my town to get the hell away from aliguippa. these cats were hard core family and busted their balls. sell-outs to the black cause? mr and mrs carter produced an MD, ans a CSM.

      guess what, yinz is all mill hunkies in the end

      the degos worked the rail road, the hunkies (east-europe) worked the mills.


    207. eaglesoars
      212 | February 7, 2019 9:52 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      the same play, over and over again

      yeah, but Bradshaw never scrambled quite the same way every time. God, that was fun to watch.

      JEEZUS BRADSHAW THROW THE BALL!!

      I’m sore, I’m going to bed, nite.


    208. coldwarrior
      213 | February 7, 2019 9:55 pm

      gonna dew a new thread…

      taking a shitload of neurontin is a thing now…looks like pcp or bad acid with seizures when they show up at me.

      more on that later.


    209. eaglesoars
      214 | February 7, 2019 9:56 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      the hunkies (east-europe)

      yeah, the hunkies were the slavs. There was a kid in my class we actually called ‘Hunkie’ (his name is Ray). My mother was horrified, Dad thought it was hilarious. He is Polish.


    210. coldwarrior
      215 | February 7, 2019 9:56 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      JEEZUS BRADSHAW THROW THE BALL!!

      😆

      my god, you just channeled my dad


    211. eaglesoars
      216 | February 7, 2019 10:00 pm

      John Dingell has died at 92 and the aliens have arrived. I’m not sure if those two events are related

      The head of Harvard’s astronomy department Avi Loeb believes that a cigar-shaped object discovered in 2017 is an sail, claiming that it is travelling far too quickly to be an asteroid. In an interview with Chicago Tribune Mr Loeb shared that he has been working on an equation that will prove that the strange interstellar object, called Oumuamua and currently passing the orbit of the Jupiter, is a part of an alien spaceship. The astronomer, who has been derided by his colleagues, thinks that Oumuamua is a lightsail that was once the driving force of “advanced technological equipment.”

      https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1083360/alien-space-ufo-harvard-spaceship-asteroid-comet-oumuamua-conspiracy-Chicago-tribune


    212. coldwarrior
      217 | February 7, 2019 10:00 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      i have been a member of the serbian club in my town since, well.

      forever.

      i didnt join SOI yet.


    213. eaglesoars
      218 | February 7, 2019 10:01 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      my god, you just channeled my dad

      hell, that was EVERYBODY’S dad!

      k, nite.


    214. coldwarrior
      219 | February 7, 2019 10:03 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      coldwarrior wrote:

      my god, you just channeled my dad

      hell, that was EVERYBODY’S dad!

      k, nite.

      i learned ‘words’ during those years


    215. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      220 | February 7, 2019 11:09 pm

      I had maybe one to three black kids in my school at any given point, sometimes we went years without. Never would have considered blackface and no one in my school ever did.


    216. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      221 | February 8, 2019 1:24 am

      Asylum 13 11/80. And ice water.


    217. Buckeye Abroad
      222 | February 8, 2019 2:44 am

      eaglesoars wrote:

      coldwarrior wrote:

      the hunkies (east-europe)

      yeah, the hunkies were the slavs. There was a kid in my class we actually called ‘Hunkie’ (his name is Ray). My mother was horrified, Dad thought it was hilarious. He is Polish.

      There was a guy in my unit with a polish last name who everyone called “Sgt. Ski.” To this day I recall what he looks like, but cannot remember his name for the life of me.


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