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  • Flagstaff Blues & Brews Festival–Day Two

    by lobo91 ( 148 Comments › )
    Filed under Music, Open thread at June 13th, 2019 - 9:20 pm

    After getting my Larkin Poe fix the first day, I was ready for Day Two of the Flagstaff Blues & Brews festival. My hearing had mostly returned by morning, so I went off in search of coffee before making my way back across town.

    It was just about time for the complimentary lunch to be served in the VIP corral when I arrived, so that was my first stop. It was surprisingly good. Of course, I spent the better part of three decades eating MREs and stuff, so what do I know?

    Saturday’s lineup included a total of six bands, with Kenny Wayne Shepherd as the evening’s headliner. Of course, there was really only one person I was there to see: Samantha Fish.

    Samantha Fish originally hails from Kansas City, Missouri, which has a pretty well-known blues scene. As a teenager, she frequently visited local blues joints with her dad, where she soaked up everything she could about not only music, but what it meant to be a working musician on the road today. By the time she was 18, she began sitting in with various performers, and soon became a local phenomenon.

    Her big break came in 2011, when she was signed by the German label Ruf Records and embarked on the label’s annual Blues Caravan tour of clubs and festivals all over the US and Europe. One result of that tour was a compilation album called “Girls With Guitars,” which featured Samantha along with tour-mates Dani Wilde and Victoria Smith, both of whom are originally from Brighton in the UK. In the middle of that tour, the label released Samantha’s first solo album, “Runaway.” The title track quickly became a staple of the shows on the Caravan tour. As this video shows, Samantha was already at home playing to large audiences, and had become adept at working the crowd.

    By 2013, Sam was touring relentlessly with her new band, which included veteran musicians “Go-Go Ray” Pollard on drums and Scot Sutherland on bass, each of whom had been playing professionally since before she was born. The years she spent touring with these veteran road warriors acted as a finishing school of sorts, as they pushed her to higher and higher levels musically. It was during this time that her second album, “Black Wind Howlin’,” was released to significant critical acclaim. She still plays the title track on occasion as an encore during live shows.

    2015 saw the release of her third album, “Wild Heart,” which solidified her status in the blues world. At about the same time, Pollard decided to return to his first love, teaching music to kids, while Sutherland went off to pursue solo projects. A number of lineup changes followed, until Austin native Chris Alexander became her full-time bass player after filling in frequently over the years. Chris has since become an indispensable member of the tour, taking charge of the equipment setup.

    2017 saw a radical departure for the Samantha, with the release of not one but two new albums, both of which were completely different from anything she’d done before—and from each other.  In March, she released “Chills and Fever,” which was a collection of lesser-known R&B songs from the 1950s and ‘60s. Along with the new album came a newly-expanded band, which now included keyboards and a horn section, as well as a makeover for herself. Gone was the long red (or sometimes dark blonde) hair, to be replaced with a Marilyn Monroe-inspired platinum blonde cut. The retro look was completed with false eyelashes, heels, and pancake makeup.

    In November of that year, “Belle of the West” came out, which was a much more intimate album. Featuring mostly acoustic songs, it was recorded in the Mississippi hill country and featured a number of guest musicians from the area. One notable song on the album was “Gone for Good,” which she has played in her live shows for years but had never gotten around to recording. These days, her live set list consists about 80 percent of songs from these last two albums. She’s also begun playing a couple of new songs off her upcoming album, “Kill or Be Kind,” which is due out in September. In Flagstaff, she played both of the new singles, “Love Letters” and “Watch it Die,” which the crowd loved. I predict another hit.

    Between those two tracks and a third song, “Bulletproof,” which she played a number of times on her recent European tour, it seems safe to say that “Kill or be Kind” is going to be a return to her blues-rock roots. In fact, she played that tour with a four-piece band configuration, leading many to speculate that we’d seen the end of the horn section. It’s not clear what the future will bring, but the full band was on stage in Flagstaff, horns and all.

    It was interesting to watch the preparations for Samantha’s set on Saturday, particularly after watching how Larkin Poe did it the day before. The band members each prepared their own instruments, while Chris Alexander took charge of the crew. He not only checked all the levels, but even tested and tuned all of Samantha’s guitars. Sam herself was nowhere to be seen until the MC announced her, at which point she walked across the stage and picked up a guitar. Very different from the hands-on approach Larkin Poe took. I’m not sure what it really signifies about either of them, though. It could just be that Rebecca Lovell is a something of a control freak, while Samantha trusts her crew to get things done without her.

    I really don’t get the impression that it’s about being a prima donna or anything, because I’ve seen how they both act off stage. Megan and Rebecca have handlers who keep them on a schedule. I was actually the next person in line to meet them after the show when their guy announced “Okay…that’s it” and herded them away. Samantha, on the other hand, would probably still be there now signing autographs and smiling for photos if there were people in line. She has no handlers.

    All things considered, it ended up being a great weekend of live music at a wonderful venue. I’ll definitely plan to return next year, and I highly recommend it to anyone within reasonable travel distance of Flagstaff.

    I think the important takeaway from it all is that there really are millennials—and millennial women, at that—who are devoted to keeping these uniquely American music styles alive. It’s not all about Justin Bieber and whatever autotuned former Disney child star is popular this week, so there’s hope for humanity.

    Next weekend, I’m off to see another of their breed, a young Texas guitar-slinger named Ally Venable, when she plays at a festival in the tiny hamlet of Alpine, Arizona. Stay tuned!

    Pictures:

    I’d recognize that white Gibson SG anywhere…

     

    Sam is looking stylish in leather

     

    You don’t need a custom lap steel to play slide guitar…

     

    Jammin’ with Chris Alexander

     

    Time for the ever-popular cigar box guitar

     

    No handlers in sight!

     

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    148 Responses to “Flagstaff Blues & Brews Festival–Day Two”
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    1. coldwarrior
      1 | June 13, 2019 9:30 pm

      Thanks, lobo.

      The annual father’s day golf outing is the largest ever this year. 20 peeps and a shit ton of prep work.

      I went and got the steaks this am…1 1/3 inch local porterhouse. 5 pounds of gulf shrimp….booze…etc.

      I appreciate your help this weekend. The outing blew up this year.


    2. eaglesoars
      2 | June 13, 2019 9:32 pm

      A GERMAN record label? And this stuff has a following in Europe? (Altho I’m pretty convinced Rock and Roll undermined communism in eastern Europe)


    3. lobo91
      3 | June 13, 2019 9:35 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      Yup. American blues artists are probably more popular in Europe than in the US. Joe Bonamassa tours over there every year for months at a time.

      Ruf Records is a pretty big label in that genre. Ally Venable signed with them last year, and they put out her most recent album.


    4. lobo91
      4 | June 13, 2019 9:47 pm

      Not the most graceful entrance she’s ever made 🙂

      The opening number “American Dream”:


    5. lobo91
      5 | June 13, 2019 9:51 pm

      “Gone for Good”:


    6. AZfederalist
      6 | June 13, 2019 9:52 pm

      and I highly recommend it to anyone within reasonable travel distance of Flagstaff.

      I’m gonna look into that after I retire and have some more time available.


    7. lobo91
      7 | June 13, 2019 9:54 pm

      The last two songs of the set, “Someone’s Always Tryin'” (complete with extended solo) followed by “Crow Jane”:


    8. lobo91
      8 | June 13, 2019 9:56 pm

      @ AZfederalist:

      I’m definitely going back next year. I would have gone last year but I didn’t hear about it until the last minute. I got on their mailing list, so I was notified as soon as the dates were set for this year.


    9. Calo
      9 | June 13, 2019 10:06 pm

      Thanks for the heads up, Yenta, I swore off the NBA a few years ago. But now I’m only watching to see San Francisco lose to theCanadians tonight.


    10. eaglesoars
      10 | June 13, 2019 10:16 pm

      lobo91 wrote:

      I’m definitely going back next year.

      do you camp out or are you in a hotel/motel close by?


    11. lobo91
      11 | June 13, 2019 10:23 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      lobo91 wrote:

      I’m definitely going back next year.

      do you camp out or are you in a hotel/motel close by?

      I stayed in a hotel


    12. eaglesoars
      12 | June 13, 2019 10:28 pm

      bedtime. thanks for the music lobo


    13. Possum
      13 | June 13, 2019 11:15 pm

      @ Calo:

      Hi!

      Latest unemployment situation.

      What with the fines and denied unemployment claims I am now over $3000 in a hole.

      Appeal process started, but I feel like just saying, as if I was jumping out of an aircraft at 30,000 feet.

      I DON’T GIVE A FUUUUCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!

      *splat*


    14. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      14 | June 13, 2019 11:41 pm

      Possum wrote:

      @ Calo:

      Hi!

      Latest unemployment situation.

      What with the fines and denied unemployment claims I am now over $3000 in a hole.

      Appeal process started, but I feel like just saying, as if I was jumping out of an aircraft at 30,000 feet.

      I DON’T GIVE A FUUUUCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!

      *splat*

      My mother had less than 100 bucks in food stamps for a few months. Reported faithfully, now they say she didn’t report and want her to pay over a grand back. The system is rigged.


    15. Possum
      15 | June 13, 2019 11:44 pm

      @ Deplorable Martian Overlord:

      Yep, and I am starting to realise how bad the system is.


    16. rain of lead
      16 | June 14, 2019 6:42 am

      morning y’all

      middle of june and the temp is 51 deg


    17. eaglesoars
      17 | June 14, 2019 9:03 am

      uh oh.

      The Iranians have ‘detained’ the crew of the Norwiegian tanker they attacked. They are believed to be in Iran.


    18. eaglesoars
      18 | June 14, 2019 9:05 am

      @ rain of lead:

      we were talking about crops yesterday. I’m seeing something about a sugar shortage. Not here, in Europe and Asia. Haven’t tracked it down yet, don’t know where it’s coming from.


    19. eaglesoars
      19 | June 14, 2019 9:37 am

      oh man, this is savage. This must have been in the early days of Obama’s presidency given the lack of grey in his hair (and the DOW is at 8200 something).

      He’s in Russia. And no one will shake his hand.

      https://twitter.com/LuisPin23257352/status/1137902810656362500


    20. 20 | June 14, 2019 9:43 am

      Calo wrote:

      Thanks for the heads up, Yenta, I swore off the NBA a few years ago. But now I’m only watching to see San Francisco lose to theCanadians tonight.

      And they did. Lost their LAST game at Oracle arena, which is about to be torn down. I will miss it – it was the venue for some fabulous concerts for me over the years – Elton John, the Police, Steely Dan, Jimmy Buffett, and the Moody Blues. It was the go-to place for the stadium fillers for the Bay Area during the winter, when Shoreline and the Concord Pavilion, outdoors with their lawn seating, was way too cold.

      The really hilarious thing, by the way, is that they were already fixing up everything here in Oakland for what they thought would be a victory parade. Banners everywhere.

      Of course, since it’s a Canadian team that won, there will be no White House invitation for the team to grandstand off of by refusing to go.


    21. 21 | June 14, 2019 9:51 am

      I wonder if that whole question by Stephanopolous regarding “dirt” from a foreign source was done at the behest of the Clintons/DNC. They KNOW the IG and Durham reports are coming out and it may very well be impossible for even the MSM to ignore the allegations of the Ukrainian government giving the Clinton campaign dirt on Trump’s staff (Manafort) or the soliciting of dirt from the Russians for the phony dossier and the resulting FISA warrant. Now they can point and say “but Trump says we SHOULD listen.”

      Somehow they believe these are equivalent. They are not. Clinton received dirt from the Ukraine – never reported to FBI. SOLICITED dirt from Russia and laundered the efforts through a law firm. Also we may eventually learn that this was done hand-in-glove with the FBI and DOJ. Suddenly, I’m starting to think that tarmac meeting was about MORE than just “get that investigation gone.”

      It isn’t like Stephi hasn’t done the DNC’s bidding before. That out-of-left-field birth control question to Romney in 2012 was done at the behest of the DNC, who needed an impetus for their new “War on Women” campaign tactic.


    22. eaglesoars
      22 | June 14, 2019 11:44 am

      The Barbarian wrote:

      Somehow they believe these are equivalent

      no, they know they’re not, but they’d like us to believe it.

      I’m still trying to figure out why on earth Trump ok’d an interview w/Steffi, of all people – in the Oval, yet.

      I figured out who should replace Sarah Sanders.

      Jeff Dunham and Peanut.


    23. eaglesoars
      23 | June 14, 2019 12:30 pm

      I don’t know these names, maybe Barbarian does.

      More lawyers added to Flynn’s legal team with Sidney Powell

      Jesse Binnall, Phillip John Harvey, W. William Hode

      https://twitter.com/dsamuelsohn/status/1139240260334968832


    24. yenta-fada
      24 | June 14, 2019 1:15 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCDvG17AYGE

      Starting at around 17 minutes, Dan Bongino makes an interesting case for an Obama administration created back channel that he used to go after Trump. Bongino says this is at the heart of Spygate, and not confined to the normal intelligence agencies. Information went from the ex-KGB Russian to people like Halper and Steele. This MISinformation was leaked to the Press. Then it was used to go after Flynn and others. Watch the above for 5 minutes and you’ll get it. I don’t want to trace it and make any errors. It’s fascinating.


    25. eaglesoars
      25 | June 14, 2019 1:22 pm

      @ yenta-fada:

      I will watch it. But there’s a problem.

      There are TWO dossiers. Right now, I think there were multiple paths because the plotters weren’t sure it would get to where they wanted it to go maybe? or maybe they wanted to hide the origin?

      McCain thought he was a player, he was nothing more than a useful idiot.

      I’m making a chart/spreadsheet thingy based on Diana West’s work. At least some of what Tom Fitton pops up on Hannity with as a new discovery, she’s already reported

      I understand Steele a lot better than I did, that’s for sure. Commie bastard. John Brennan on crack.


    26. rain of lead
      26 | June 14, 2019 7:49 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      I figured out who should replace Sarah Sanders.

      Jeff Dunham and Peanut.

      nope

      Walter | All Over the Map | JEFF DUNHAM

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSMNKrJIm2I


    27. yenta-fada
      27 | June 14, 2019 8:12 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      When you say there are 2 dossiers, I dunno anything. Was one of them what Page and Strozk were talking about as insurance? The one they used to go after Flynn via the 2 Russians and Halper was another one?
      If Comey, Schiff, McCabe, Brennan, Pelosi, etc. weren’t serial lying and obfuscating, it would be a hell of a lot easier to present. Every single day the media finds an issue to spin what Trump is saying and doing. At least people are walking away from the drivel on CNN.


    28. lobo91
      28 | June 14, 2019 8:13 pm

      @ rain of lead:

      Achmed the Dead Press Secretary

      “Silence! I keel you!”


    29. eaglesoars
      29 | June 14, 2019 8:42 pm

      yenta-fada wrote:

      When you say there are 2 dossiers,

      Cody Shearer/Sid Blumenthal were behind one version, it apparently got merged with what Steele turned over with Russian seasoning.

      Steele never mentioned THEIR names in his meeting w/Kathleen What’s-her-name at the State Dept. Maybe he didn’t know.

      @ rain of lead:
      @ lobo91:

      um, I think I gonna go with Walter here. Good choice!


    30. rain of lead
      30 | June 14, 2019 8:43 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      I dunno…
      achmed doing his thing on the press corps is a fun thought


    31. lobo91
      31 | June 14, 2019 8:44 pm

      rain of lead wrote:

      @ eaglesoars:

      I dunno…
      achmed doing his thing on the press corps is a fun thought

      I was thinking of Jim Acosta


    32. eaglesoars
      32 | June 14, 2019 8:46 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      At least some of what Tom Fitton pops up on Hannity with as a new discovery, she’s already reported

      I should clarify this. I DON’T mean to imply in any way that Fitton is filching West’s work. I don’t think he knows she exists.

      When she wrote American Betrayal, the assholes at NPR gutted her, and instead of checking it out, a lot of people took them at their word. She fell off the radar.

      That’s when Rich Lowrey exposed himself as the piece of shit he is. To me, anyway.


    33. eaglesoars
      33 | June 14, 2019 8:47 pm

      lobo91 wrote:

      I was thinking of Jim Acosta

      Walter has better insults.


    34. lobo91
      34 | June 14, 2019 8:48 pm

      This time tomorrow I’ll be in Alpine, AZ watching Ally Venable perform:


    35. eaglesoars
      35 | June 14, 2019 8:50 pm

      tucker has more ufo stuff on right now

      big jellyfish hanging over area 51.


    36. lobo91
      36 | June 14, 2019 8:57 pm

      And it gets better:

      Hunter Biden’s new wife, 32, was ‘living with her real estate developer boyfriend of two years’ just weeks before secretly marrying the former vice president’s son, 49, who she’d ‘known for only 10 days’

      Hunter Biden’s new wife is said to have been living with her real estate developer boyfriend of two years just weeks before secretly marrying the former vice president’s son, who she’d reportedly only known for 10 days.

      Melissa Cohen, 32, was living with Rob Mendez up until April of this year and the former couple were continuing to ‘hang out’ into May – when she met 49-year-old Hunter – according to Page Six.

      The South African activist, who started dating Mendez in July 2017, married Hunter in Los Angeles on May 16 – just weeks after reports surfaced he had called it quits with his late brother Beau’s widow Hallie Biden in April after two years of dating.

      Pals of the divorcée, originally from Johannesburg, are said to have been stunned the wedding with one commenting: ‘She just broke up with Rob.’ Another added: ‘So I’m quite shocked by this being so sudden after their breakup.’


    37. eaglesoars
      38 | June 14, 2019 9:29 pm

      @ lobo91:

      I think she’s a beard so he can run around w/Beau’s wife


    38. eaglesoars
      39 | June 14, 2019 9:37 pm

      *gulp*

      NEW: Judge Sullivan has ordered everyone in the Michael Flynn case into his courtroom on Wednesday for a status conference. This will be the first time we’ve seen Flynn in court since the contentious sentencing hearing last December.

      https://twitter.com/dsamuelsohn/status/1139627707686424577


    39. eaglesoars
      40 | June 14, 2019 9:44 pm

      Don’t know what to make of this put I’ll put it out there FWIW

      There is a school of thought that the Iranian attacks on the tankers were NOT carried out by the gov’t but by rogue elements of the IRGC. The gov’t is not going to attack a Japanese tanker while the Japanese PM is in town.


    40. eaglesoars
      41 | June 14, 2019 10:00 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Don’t know what to make of this put I’ll put it out there FWIW

      There is a school of thought that the Iranian attacks on the tankers were NOT carried out by the gov’t but by rogue elements of the IRGC. The gov’t is not going to attack a Japanese tanker while the Japanese PM is in town.

      wait. If earlier rpts about the crew of the Norwegian tanker are true, then what?


    41. eaglesoars
      42 | June 14, 2019 10:25 pm

      From Harvard Law School, no less

      Our kids belong to the state.

      Homeschooling: Parent Rights Absolutism vs. Child Rights to Education & Protection

      This article describes the rapidly growing homeschooling phenomenon, and the threat it poses to children and society. Homeschooling activists have in recent decades largely succeeded in their deregulation campaign, overwhelming legislators with aggressive advocacy. As a result, parents can now keep their children at home in the name of homeschooling free from any real scrutiny as to whether or how they are educating their children. Many homeschool precisely because they want to isolate their children from ideas and values central to public education and to our democracy. Many promote racial segregation and female subservience. Many question science. Many are determined to keep their children from exposure to views that might enable autonomous choice about their future lives. This article calls for a radical transformation in the homeschooling regime, and a related rethinking of child rights and reframing of constitutional doctrine. It recommends a presumptive ban on homeschooling, with the burden on parents to demonstrate justification for permission to homeschool.

      https://dash.harvard.edu/handle/1/40108859


    42. yenta-fada
      43 | June 14, 2019 11:17 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      Oh, these are the 2 dossiers tracked by Tom Fitton.

      https://canadafreepress.com/article/tom-fitton-steele-laundered-dossier-into-doj-through-obama-state-dept-conta


    43. Aussie Infidel
      44 | June 14, 2019 11:28 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      uh oh.

      The Iranians have ‘detained’ the crew of the Norwiegian tanker they attacked. They are believed to be in Iran.

      Hmmm THAT

      Peaked my interest. If in fact they are Iranians my next question would be which bunch of Iranians would they come from? Obviously nobody with much interest in continuing breathing !

      I had a gut feeling that given the nature of the ‘mines’ and their very low explosive nature plus their nominally poor siting on the hulls, that this smelt like a set up and a false flag operation, possibly by the Saudis to get the US to do some more dying on their behalf in the ME.

      If in fact the ‘Iranians’ or whoever they are are directly attached to the Iranian regime then I will change my opinion. Right now given what I have seen verified by sources that I can trust (At least a 4B on the Admiralty rating system) then I’ll remain suspicious and more than a little sceptical.


    44. yenta-fada
      45 | June 14, 2019 11:28 pm

      Traffic stops are dangerous, so we need robot ticket generators.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61xTQ3Bg5XI&feature=youtu.be


    45. Aussie Infidel
      46 | June 14, 2019 11:35 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      From Harvard Law School, no less

      Our kids belong to the state.

      Homeschooling: Parent Rights Absolutism vs. Child Rights to Education & Protection

      This article describes the rapidly growing homeschooling phenomenon, and the threat it poses to children and society. Homeschooling activists have in recent decades largely succeeded in their deregulation campaign, overwhelming legislators with aggressive advocacy. As a result, parents can now keep their children at home in the name of homeschooling free from any real scrutiny as to whether or how they are educating their children. Many homeschool precisely because they want to isolate their children from ideas and values central to public education and to our democracy. Many promote racial segregation and female subservience. Many question science. Many are determined to keep their children from exposure to views that might enable autonomous choice about their future lives. This article calls for a radical transformation in the homeschooling regime, and a related rethinking of child rights and reframing of constitutional doctrine. It recommends a presumptive ban on homeschooling, with the burden on parents to demonstrate justification for permission to homeschool.

      https://dash.harvard.edu/handle/1/40108859

      The solution is to allow the ‘home schooled’ to participate in ‘public exams’ where they are available. THEN we’ll see how they rate with their peers in the public education system.

      From personal experience most ‘home schoolers’ are at least 2 years ahead of their public education peers and ace their public exams whenever they participate. That would take the collective (pardon the pun) wind out of the sails of the progressives.


    46. AZfederalist
      47 | June 14, 2019 11:42 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      It recommends a presumptive ban on homeschooling, with the burden on parents to demonstrate justification for permission to homeschool.

      Happy bunch of little nazis, aren’t they?


    47. AZfederalist
      48 | June 15, 2019 12:07 am

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      From personal experience most ‘home schoolers’ are at least 2 years ahead of their public education peers and ace their public exams whenever they participate. That would take the collective (pardon the pun) wind out of the sails of the progressives.

      Have seen the same thing with people we know who homeschool.

      Let’s parse their little statement there:
      “Many homeschool precisely because they want to isolate their children from ideas and values central to public education and to our democracy. ” i.e, many homeschool because they see the damage being caused by the current state of public education by the marxist indoctrination that it practices

      “Many promote racial segregation and female subservience”
      I would suspect very few actually promote racial segregation but may actually point out some of the behaviors of certain people and the results of those behaviors.

      … and many may use the biblical description of the roles of men and women. Not subservience, but different roles.

      .” Many question science.”
      i.e., many do not buy into the non-causal, spontaneous generation theory of the origin of the universe and fail to believe that a “consensus” of government funded people calling themselves scientists are promoting the idea that human activity is causing the earth to warm, cool catastrophically change.

      “Many are determined to keep their children from exposure to views that might enable autonomous choice about their future lives. ” How dare they! That’s the job of the publicly funded education system!


    48. yenta-fada
      49 | June 15, 2019 12:46 am

      @ AZfederalist:

      I once read about an old Chinese Emperor who pretended to be insane, and nobody ever knew what he would do next with his vast powers. He had a successful era of control over his subject because they were all frightened, uncertain, and could not successfully oppose him.

      I’m not saying that Donald Trump knows about this ruler or that he is deliberately using those tactics. He has a lifetime of experience of getting what he wants no matter who he is dealing with. While his enemies openly dismiss him as mentally unstable, you can see that they are careful about trying to predict his next moves.

      The Chinese do not disrespect Trump the way they did Obama and our half wit arrogant clueless Trudeau who lectures them on human rights.


    49. rain of lead
      50 | June 15, 2019 6:20 am

      DNC Club Releases Debate Line-Up, Elizabeth Warren Positioned Over Sanders…
      The DNC selected the candidates for each night and coordinated with NBC. Interestingly, Elizabeth Warren is the biggest winner and Bernie Sanders is the biggest loser. That’s a *tell*. The DNC is shaping the perspectives of the college crowd.

      By positioning Elizabeth Warren on the first night (highest rating night); and positioning her with little intellectual or policy challenge; it appears the Perez DNC activist wing wants Warren over Sanders

      https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/06/14/dnc-club-releases-debate-line-up-elizabeth-warren-positioned-over-sanders/


    50. rain of lead
      51 | June 15, 2019 6:20 am

      oh, morning y’all


    51. rain of lead
      52 | June 15, 2019 6:25 am

      @ rain of lead:

      Let’s see debate questions will be…Will you vote to impeach President Trump ? Yes. Do you believe President Trump colluded with Russia to win the election? Yes. Do you believe President Trump is obstructing? Yes Do you believe President Trump is insane? Yes Do you have an agenda, a plan for America and Americans to help our country succeed? Oh, look, a squirrel….Orange man bad, very bad.


    52. eaglesoars
      53 | June 15, 2019 6:26 am

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      that this smelt like a set up and a false flag operation,

      please see my #40 & 41. Who has the detained Norwegians? Apparently, they had been rescued from the ship by a UAE crew and taken from THEM.

      If this is a false flag – a possibility – the choreography is really complicated.


    53. 54 | June 15, 2019 6:37 am

      eaglesoars wrote:

      From Harvard Law School, no less

      Our kids belong to the state.

      Many are determined to keep their children from exposure to views that might enable autonomous choice about their future lives.

      https://dash.harvard.edu/handle/1/40108859

      Preventing any thought or worldview outside of the far left is perfectly acceptable. Of course.


    54. eaglesoars
      55 | June 15, 2019 7:26 am

      @ right_wing2:

      The best part is the last sentence requiring justification for homeschooling. Do they have any idea how easy that is?

      Kids come out of school completely uneducated, they can’t read, perform algebra (neither can I, to be fair, but I’m stupid about that), and they know exactly zero history.

      Also, every state that allows homeschooling has a curriculum that must be followed and tests that must be passed. I know this because one of my husband’s nieces, with a masters in education, homeschools her son and she did the research. She took him out of public school 2nd semester of 1st grade because the teachers had to be social workers and never had a chance to teach.

      If I had kids, they’d either be in private school or I’d be homeschooling. Fairfax county has pretty good schools, but the cultural indoctrination – read ‘muslim’ – is bull.


    55. RIX
      56 | June 15, 2019 8:30 am

      https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2019/06/15/the-juice-is-loose-o-j-simpson-joins-twitter-says-i-got-a-little-getting-even-to-do/
      @ Twitchy
      OJ is back. Hei
      Is on Twitter and vows to get even.
      Does he realise how creepy that sounds?


    56. RIX
      57 | June 15, 2019 8:39 am

      https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/06/ugh-us-womens-soccer-star-and-outspoken-lib-megan-rapinoe-says-her-kneeling-during-anthem-is-a-fck-you-to-trump/
      @ Gateway Pundit
      This woman is a real buzz kill on the great story of our women’s soccer team.


    57. eaglesoars
      58 | June 15, 2019 9:09 am

      @ RIX:

      oh, that’s not the half of it. She was quoted (Daily Mail I think) as saying “I’m here because I have the talent, nobody gets to tell me I can’t be here, nobody tells me what to say”

      Never once mentioned the team, it was all “I I I I I I”. You just know she’s pure bitch off the field too.

      I’m sure I’m not the only one who prays she encounters an opponent who takes her out. Permanently.


    58. RIX
      59 | June 15, 2019 10:08 am

      eaglesoars wrote:

      @ RIX:

      oh, that’s not the half of it. She was quoted (Daily Mail I think) as saying “I’m here because I have the talent, nobody gets to tell me I can’t be here, nobody tells me what to say”

      Never once mentioned the team, it was all “I I I I I I”. You just know she’s pure bitch off the field too.

      I’m sure I’m not the only one who prays she encounters an opponent who takes her out. Permanently.

      it’s a shame that she is on the team, the rest of the girls deserve better.


    59. AZfederalist
      60 | June 15, 2019 12:42 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Fairfax county has pretty good schools, but the cultural indoctrination – read ‘muslim’ – is bull.

      … and that is where the “racial segregation” comment from the Harvard paper comes from. They think that opposing islam and importing islamists into the country is “racist and segregationist”


    60. AZfederalist
      61 | June 15, 2019 12:43 pm

      RIX wrote:

      it’s a shame that she is on the team, the rest of the girls deserve better

      –> This


    61. 62 | June 15, 2019 1:40 pm

      @ eaglesoars:
      I was fortunate enough that my parents were able and willing to make the sacrifice to send me to a military school. Unfortunately the school has since closed.


    62. lobo91
      63 | June 15, 2019 4:10 pm

      I’m sitting on the lawn at the Alpine Country Blues Festival, trying not to roast before Ally Venable’s set. Pretty town, but way in the middle of nowhere at 8,000 feet


    63. yenta-fada
      64 | June 15, 2019 4:20 pm

      “When I was in the White House” Jarrett goes on TV to pile on the nothingburger Trump quote about being willing to listen to information from a hypothetical ‘foreign’ source. Nobody ELECTED this rhymes with witch.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rgj3FlPu9hI

      Roseanne was right. Valjar does have a bit of a “Planet of the Apes resemblance. I never noticed it before.


    64. lobo91
      65 | June 15, 2019 4:36 pm

      yenta-fada wrote:

      “When I was in the White House” Jarrett goes on TV to pile on the nothingburger Trump quote about being willing to listen to information from a hypothetical ‘foreign’ source. Nobody ELECTED this rhymes with witch.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rgj3FlPu9hI

      Roseanne was right. Valjar does have a bit of a “Planet of the Apes resemblance. I never noticed it before.

      Yes, she really does


    65. eaglesoars
      66 | June 15, 2019 5:27 pm

      I have no idea why this is being made public

      US ramps up attacks on Russian power grid

      The Pentagon is intensifying its attacks on Russia’s power grid in the latest sign of a growing cyber war between the U.S. and the Kremlin.

      The U.S. has infiltrated Russia’s electric power grid among other unnamed targets, inserting American malware into the systems in response to heightened Russian cyber aggression and political meddling, including efforts to influence recent U.S. elections, according to the New York Times.

      https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/us-ramps-up-attacks-on-russian-power-grid


    66. lobo91
      67 | June 15, 2019 5:34 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      It’s being made public because some Deep State operative gave it to the NY Times in order to undermine Trump.

      “Orange Man Bad” outweighs national security


    67. lobo91
      68 | June 15, 2019 5:59 pm

      Ally Venable is here. I just saw her walk through the site.I hope they have someplace with A/C for her to wait, since she doesn’t go on for 2 1/2 hours


    68. eaglesoars
      69 | June 15, 2019 6:22 pm

      The Obamas are vacationing at this magnificent villa in the south of France. Private jet. TONS of security.

      think anybody will mention ‘carbon footprint’?

      silly person

      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7144463/Inside-Obama-familys-luxury-farmhouse-south-France-holiday.html#comments


    69. lobo91
      70 | June 15, 2019 6:25 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      That would be racist
      /s


    70. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      71 | June 15, 2019 6:27 pm

      rain of lead wrote:

      DNC Club Releases Debate Line-Up, Elizabeth Warren Positioned Over Sanders…
      The DNC selected the candidates for each night and coordinated with NBC. Interestingly, Elizabeth Warren is the biggest winner and Bernie Sanders is the biggest loser. That’s a *tell*. The DNC is shaping the perspectives of the college crowd.

      By positioning Elizabeth Warren on the first night (highest rating night); and positioning her with little intellectual or policy challenge; it appears the Perez DNC activist wing wants Warren over Sanders

      https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/06/14/dnc-club-releases-debate-line-up-elizabeth-warren-positioned-over-sanders/

      Yeah, my governor released a press statement that he was “dissapointed” that he was left out of the debate for his presidential campaign/campaign finance scam.


    71. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      72 | June 15, 2019 6:28 pm

      rain of lead wrote:

      DNC Club Releases Debate Line-Up, Elizabeth Warren Positioned Over Sanders…
      The DNC selected the candidates for each night and coordinated with NBC. Interestingly, Elizabeth Warren is the biggest winner and Bernie Sanders is the biggest loser. That’s a *tell*. The DNC is shaping the perspectives of the college crowd.

      By positioning Elizabeth Warren on the first night (highest rating night); and positioning her with little intellectual or policy challenge; it appears the Perez DNC activist wing wants Warren over Sanders

      https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/06/14/dnc-club-releases-debate-line-up-elizabeth-warren-positioned-over-sanders/

      They had Biden, Warren, and Harris leading the polls (for what that’s worth) with Pete Ballgag bringing up a very distant rear.


    72. lobo91
      73 | June 15, 2019 6:32 pm

      @ Deplorable Martian Overlord:

      I suspect that “bringing up the rear” is a familiar position for him


    73. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      74 | June 15, 2019 6:36 pm

      I actually have some hope this year for my oldest sons school. He was put into a history class called Genocide. That is so popular that there is a waiting list. The teacher had to do two more classes of it each semester. The teacher says he does not put any political slant to it and it is a open discussion forum. Reading the teachers resume it’s highly unlikely he’s a liberal. Promises to cover the Holocaust, Rwanda, Armenia, etc. Holding out hope this will be a good one and my son actually participates.


    74. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      75 | June 15, 2019 6:38 pm

      lobo91 wrote:

      @ Deplorable Martian Overlord:

      I suspect that “bringing up the rear” is a familiar position for him

      Yeah he does have that vibe.


    75. eaglesoars
      76 | June 15, 2019 6:50 pm

      Deplorable Martian Overlord wrote:

      Yeah he does have that vibe.

      There’s a VIBE??!!

      oh good lord………………


    76. eaglesoars
      77 | June 15, 2019 6:52 pm

      gee, I wonder if Bernie will get asked about this in the debates

      Bernie Sanders’ ‘Economic Bill Of Rights’ Taken Nearly Verbatim From Stalin’s 1936 Soviet Constitution

      https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2019/06/15/joe-biden-isnt-plagiarist-among-2020-democratic-presidential-candidates/


    77. lobo91
      78 | June 15, 2019 6:57 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      Communists don’t believe in plagiarism, since they don’t believe in private property


    78. 79 | June 15, 2019 6:59 pm

      @ lobo91:
      But I thought Putin owned “orange man”.


    79. eaglesoars
      80 | June 15, 2019 7:02 pm

      I missed this yesterday. I trust Paul Sperry, one of the very few.

      BREAKING: House GOP leadership has soured on Comey replacement Wray. They r now convinced Wray’s not part of the FBI cleanup & not cooperating w AG Barr & is in fact part of the cover-up of #SpyGate scandal after burying documents & refusing to make people available for interview

      took ’em long enough

      https://twitter.com/paulsperry_/status/1139724511069106176


    80. 81 | June 15, 2019 7:03 pm

      @ eaglesoars:
      Bernie claims that will be happy to pay more taxes for free healthcare. He will then expand that to housing, food, clothes, vacations, transportation, and everything else under the sun.


    81. eaglesoars
      82 | June 15, 2019 7:03 pm

      lobo91 wrote:

      @ eaglesoars:

      Communists don’t believe in plagiarism, since they don’t believe in private property

      well, it’s Stalin, so it’s like saying you plagiarized the Bible, or something.


    82. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      83 | June 15, 2019 7:26 pm

      right_wing2 wrote:

      @ eaglesoars:
      Bernie claims that will be happy to pay more taxes for free healthcare. He will then expand that to housing, food, clothes, vacations, transportation, and everything else under the sun.

      Bernie is full of it. I remember reading somewhere that he has found a way to pretty much avoid paying taxes for his entire adult life. This is also the man who was kicked out of a commune for being lazy.


    83. eaglesoars
      84 | June 15, 2019 7:39 pm

      Deplorable Martian Overlord wrote:

      I remember reading somewhere that he has found a way to pretty much avoid paying taxes for his entire adult life.

      well, he pretty much never had a job for most of his adult life. Until he was elected mayor of Burlington, he was a ‘carpenter’.


    84. lobo91
      85 | June 15, 2019 7:55 pm

      If I come to another of these festivals, I’m bringing an RV. There are 3 RV parks within walking distance, but my motel is 26 miles away, over the next mountain


    85. eaglesoars
      86 | June 15, 2019 8:04 pm

      lobo91 wrote:

      I’m bringing an RV.

      That sounds like a lot of money.


    86. lobo91
      87 | June 15, 2019 8:16 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      I’ve been looking at getting a small travel trailer for a while. One I can pull with my SUV


    87. Aussie Infidel
      88 | June 15, 2019 8:18 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      that this smelt like a set up and a false flag operation,

      please see my #40 & 41. Who has the detained Norwegians? Apparently, they had been rescued from the ship by a UAE crew and taken from THEM.

      If this is a false flag – a possibility – the choreography is really complicated.

      If the UAE were the original rescuers of the crew of the Norwegian ship and they were then ‘lifted’ by Iranians, I’d like to know exactly WHO those Iranians were and who they were working for, before making any assumptions regarding culpability for the original explosions. Knowing exactly WHERE the crew were lifted from UAE custody might also be interesting as Iranian waters were VERY close to where this all happened. Remember that Iran takes its maritime limit VERY seriously and consider that it extends to the 12 Nm limit and NOT to the 3 Nm Limit. (remember the ‘problem’ when a USN small boat was seized) by Iranians a few years ago over exactly WHERE territorial waters began and ended?

      There must be a LOT of information available out there, given where we are talking about. The most strategically dangerous and heavily trafficked seaway on the globe ! We’ve seen a ‘Gulf of Tonkin incident’ once before and that was one too many!

      If the USN wants to ‘have a go’, then by all means be my guest, but for god’s sake don’t stumble into a shooting war for some stupid reason, or at the behest of covert actions by one’s ‘allies’. Make VERY sure you know all that there is to know and who ALL the players are before you cock your weapons!

      🙂


    88. Aussie Infidel
      89 | June 15, 2019 8:28 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      I have no idea why this is being made public

      US ramps up attacks on Russian power grid

      The Pentagon is intensifying its attacks on Russia’s power grid in the latest sign of a growing cyber war between the U.S. and the Kremlin.

      The U.S. has infiltrated Russia’s electric power grid among other unnamed targets, inserting American malware into the systems in response to heightened Russian cyber aggression and political meddling, including efforts to influence recent U.S. elections, according to the New York Times.

      https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/us-ramps-up-attacks-on-russian-power-grid

      Neither do I !

      When you carry out a cyber attack stealth is one of the key components, as it lengthens the exposure time to bad outcomes and increases potency of the cyber weapon attack. Telling one’s enemy about an attack can only be considered a ‘DEMONSTRATION’ and a warning of things to come if one’s cyber enemy doesn’t clean up its act.
      As my friendly cyber warrior inside the NSA was won’t to say… cyber weapons have a VERY short shelf life once they are deployed, so deploy them sparingly and covertly because you might need ALL of them when the shit really hits the fan, and once ‘fired’ a cyber weapon becomes pretty useless as soon as a fix is in place.


    89. eaglesoars
      90 | June 15, 2019 8:29 pm

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      Knowing exactly WHERE the crew were lifted from UAE custody

      They were on a UAE ship – they have been released and are now in Dubai.

      One of the ships was hit by a missile fired from land. The U.S. has identified exactly what it was, I forgot (because it’s meaningless to me).


    90. eaglesoars
      91 | June 15, 2019 8:35 pm

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      Neither do I !

      well, as lobo said, some Deep State asshole leaked it to the traitors at the NYT.

      But now that they’ve mentioned it, I’d like to know exactly what we hit – just out of curiousity.

      And I know it’s a stretch, but you know what it really provides credibility for? The idea that Chernobyl was a CIA hit. After the movie came out, it was reported the Kremlin was deeply embarrassed. Here’s this western production that honored the heroes they can’t admit even exist, because then they’d have to own that a global catastrophe happened in the Soviet Utopia. So they’re making ANOTHER version – that an American CIA agent was detected at Chernobyl and set the whole thing off. After all, if we can hit their grid, we certainly could have done Chernobyl.


    91. Aussie Infidel
      92 | June 15, 2019 8:38 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      I missed this yesterday. I trust Paul Sperry, one of the very few.

      BREAKING: House GOP leadership has soured on Comey replacement Wray. They r now convinced Wray’s not part of the FBI cleanup & not cooperating w AG Barr & is in fact part of the cover-up of #SpyGate scandal after burying documents & refusing to make people available for interview

      took ’em long enough

      Alas that is probably Trump’s greatest flaw. His lack of appreciation of the covert backgrounds, views and real agendas of his new hires.


    92. eaglesoars
      93 | June 15, 2019 8:44 pm

      @ Aussie Infidel:

      He didn’t hire Wray, he simply ‘promoted’ him. Don’t hang this on Trump, it’s not like he’s working with a deep bench at that place. DOJ/FBI is rotten to the core. Normal law enforcement calls them ‘Famous But Incompetent’. I can’t think of one case they’ve solved that didn’t involve a sting they set up. They had warning about the Boston bombers and blew it, I could go on about their MASSIVE failures.

      And what the hell happened in Vegas? Have we even had a report from them that says ‘we have no clue’?

      No. The FBI makes clown cars look like NASA.


    93. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      94 | June 15, 2019 8:51 pm

      My brother is about to quit his online college. His ethics class just did a whole section on Communism and the next section is called “Social Justice”. WTF do either of these have to do with ethics?


    94. eaglesoars
      95 | June 15, 2019 8:56 pm

      @ Deplorable Martian Overlord:

      they have EVERYTHING to do with ethics. If you don’t understand what their ethics are you cannot SEE them, let alone fight them. If this is why he’s quitting, please tell him to re-think.

      start with ‘re-destributive justice’


    95. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      96 | June 15, 2019 9:01 pm

      He just answered a multiple choice question asking him to define social justice. The “correct” answer? c. Goodness.


    96. eaglesoars
      97 | June 15, 2019 9:01 pm

      Deplorable Martian Overlord wrote:

      “Social Justice”. WTF do either of these have to do with ethics?

      Look up Reinhold Niebuhr. Most people think of him as that ‘nice, Protestant theologian’. No. He was a Marxist. Communism was a ‘Christian heresy’ but it is CHRISTIAN.

      Niebuhr’s teaching as a cleric are some of the very roots of ‘social justice’.


    97. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      98 | June 15, 2019 9:02 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      @ Deplorable Martian Overlord:

      they have EVERYTHING to do with ethics. If you don’t understand what their ethics are you cannot SEE them, let alone fight them. If this is why he’s quitting, please tell him to re-think.

      start with ‘re-destributive justice’

      It just seems like their entire worldview is the antithesis of ethics. Ther are pure evil. They have no ethics.


    98. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      99 | June 15, 2019 9:04 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Deplorable Martian Overlord wrote:

      “Social Justice”. WTF do either of these have to do with ethics?

      Look up Reinhold Niebuhr. Most people think of him as that ‘nice, Protestant theologian’. No. He was a Marxist. Communism was a ‘Christian heresy’ but it is CHRISTIAN.

      Niebuhr’s teaching as a cleric are some of the very roots of ‘social justice’.

      The bad part is that the information the teacher put out has nothing to do with the questions being asked and because his head isn’t up his ass like the leftists, he can’t figure out the correct answers. He’s been answering what he thinks is the opposite of what is true but the answers are even more out of left field. The questions make no sense unless you live and breathe in their world.


    99. Aussie Infidel
      100 | June 15, 2019 9:06 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      If this is a false flag – a possibility – the choreography is really complicated.

      The burning tanker was the Kulkuter Courageous and they were attacked about 16 nM off the Iranian coast, well outside the 12 nM limit so that is not a point of contention. The ship was definitely in international waters. Already the ‘fog of war’ is descending and different stories are being conflated accidentally by ‘amateurs know nothings’ or by professionals, trying to muddy the waters for their own nefarious reasons.

      There was NO missile strike on this ship and this narrative has grown up because a USN drone prior to the attack timing, operating in the area where the incident took place, was fired upon by an Iranian anti- aircraft missile… it missed ! There were also missile and drone attacks by Houthi rebels in Yemen against Saudi targets, and these stories were conflated into the ship attacks narratives that happened about the same time. As far as a torpedo attack in concerned, that is beyond laughable! A torpedo would have put a tanker in half and not just started a small fire in a single tank. The damage looked to be about waterline and this is typical of the previous attacks using either hand placed or small surface floating nuisance mines.

      Given the nature of the weapons being deployed one must conclude that major damage, massive oil spill, and serious loss of life is NOT the goal here.

      One must ask oneself the question … who profits from these attacks and increasing threat levels? The Iranian regime, independent groups within the regime, the Saudis, or even at a stretch the USN? Any one, or more than one player could be playing this dangerous game to bring more pressure on Iran or in an attempt to justify total blockade, rather than just a sanctions regime.


    100. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      101 | June 15, 2019 9:07 pm

      His first section was supposed to be on John Stuart Mill and section 2 will be on Wollstonecroft.


    101. eaglesoars
      102 | June 15, 2019 9:08 pm

      Niebuhr quotes

      “Difficult as the method of revolution is for any Western industrial civilization, it must not be regarded as impossible. …[110] If a revolution can destroy social injustice and preserve equal justice, much might be forgiven it in the method it employs.”

      Niebuhr, with 16 co-authors, signed on to “A Declaration of World Democracy” in The City of Man, a slim volume pointing to the Constitution’s repeal. Certainly, the Bill of Rights had to go — or be tied, the authors write, to a “Bill of Duties” and “supplemented” by a “Bill of Economic Rights.” To wit: “But the Bill of Rights pledging that no private property shall be `taken for public use without just compensation’ must be supplemented with a Bill of Duties stating that no private property can be tolerated outside the framework of just social use.”[

      West, Diana. The Red Thread: A Search for Ideological Drivers Inside the Anti-Trump Conspiracy (pp. 43-44). Center for Security Policy Press. Kindle Edition.

      There’s a TON of crap on these people if you know where to look. Tell him to figure out what they mean by ‘goodness’ and it starts with forbidding private property.


    102. Aussie Infidel
      103 | June 15, 2019 9:09 pm

      put = cut

      the admitted explosive load in previous attacks were in the 100-200 Kg range

      Someone is playing a dangerous game !


    103. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      104 | June 15, 2019 9:10 pm

      Deplorable Martian Overlord wrote:

      His first section was supposed to be on John Stuart Mill and section 2 will be on Wollstonecroft.

      Instead section one was Communism and Karl Marx and section 2 is Social Justice. Makes no sense.


    104. eaglesoars
      105 | June 15, 2019 9:10 pm

      @ Deplorable Martian Overlord:

      Niebuhr is James Comey’s stated lode start and Barack Obama’s ‘favorite author’. Take it from there.

      Deplorable Martian Overlord wrote:

      His first section was supposed to be on John Stuart Mill and section 2 will be on Wollstonecroft.

      sounds good. Tell him not to quit. Get in there and fight.


    105. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      106 | June 15, 2019 9:15 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Niebuhr quotes

      “Difficult as the method of revolution is for any Western industrial civilization, it must not be regarded as impossible. …[110] If a revolution can destroy social injustice and preserve equal justice, much might be forgiven it in the method it employs.”

      Niebuhr, with 16 co-authors, signed on to “A Declaration of World Democracy” in The City of Man, a slim volume pointing to the Constitution’s repeal. Certainly, the Bill of Rights had to go — or be tied, the authors write, to a “Bill of Duties” and “supplemented” by a “Bill of Economic Rights.” To wit: “But the Bill of Rights pledging that no private property shall be `taken for public use without just compensation’ must be supplemented with a Bill of Duties stating that no private property can be tolerated outside the framework of just social use.”[

      West, Diana. The Red Thread: A Search for Ideological Drivers Inside the Anti-Trump Conspiracy (pp. 43-44). Center for Security Policy Press. Kindle Edition.

      There’s a TON of crap on these people if you know where to look. Tell him to figure out what they mean by ‘goodness’ and it starts with forbidding private property.

      Oh, he knows what they think “goodness” is. He’s the father of two disabled children and has had to fight the public school system their entire life.


    106. eaglesoars
      107 | June 15, 2019 9:16 pm

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      who profits from these attacks and increasing threat levels?

      We’re giving the Saudis everything they’ve asked for as far as I can tell – in the way of weapons, I mean. They don’t need us there.

      The Iranians are not having a good time at home. The sanctions are biting. It may be that it’s a “if WE can’t have it, NOBODY can have it’ disruption game. They can’t pay Hezbollah at the moment, so THEY’RE not happy jihadis. So, maybe it’s a rogue element in the gov’t???

      It does beg the question why they’d hit a Japanese ship while the Japanese PM was in town.


    107. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      108 | June 15, 2019 9:16 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      @ Deplorable Martian Overlord:

      Niebuhr is James Comey’s stated lode start and Barack Obama’s ‘favorite author’. Take it from there.

      Deplorable Martian Overlord wrote:

      His first section was supposed to be on John Stuart Mill and section 2 will be on Wollstonecroft.

      sounds good. Tell him not to quit. Get in there and fight.

      Can’t fight. They just fail you. Happened to his wife already. You must capitulate and answer exactly as they are looking for.


    108. eaglesoars
      109 | June 15, 2019 9:17 pm

      Deplorable Martian Overlord wrote:

      He’s the father of two disabled children

      You two…………sheesh.


    109. eaglesoars
      110 | June 15, 2019 9:19 pm

      Deplorable Martian Overlord wrote:

      Can’t fight. They just fail you. Happened to his wife already. You must capitulate and answer exactly as they are looking for.

      man, would I love to get in there……….


    110. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      111 | June 15, 2019 9:20 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      who profits from these attacks and increasing threat levels?

      We’re giving the Saudis everything they’ve asked for as far as I can tell – in the way of weapons, I mean. They don’t need us there.

      The Iranians are not having a good time at home. The sanctions are biting. It may be that it’s a “if WE can’t have it, NOBODY can have it’ disruption game. They can’t pay Hezbollah at the moment, so THEY’RE not happy jihadis. So, maybe it’s a rogue element in the gov’t???

      It does beg the question why they’d hit a Japanese ship while the Japanese PM was in town.

      The japanese ship thing doesn’t make sense but according to an iranian born person I’ve spoken to, the rest makes perfect sense. All that this means is that the Iranian government is having problems with the populace again. He said that every time the government has issues they start pulling shit to get the rest of the Iranian people united against the “evil” they are fighting against. If their bad behavior leads to more sanctions and punishments then they can reunite the people against the “oppressors”.


    111. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      112 | June 15, 2019 9:22 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Deplorable Martian Overlord wrote:

      Can’t fight. They just fail you. Happened to his wife already. You must capitulate and answer exactly as they are looking for.

      man, would I love to get in there……….

      Since it’s an online course you have no real means of opposing them. Sister in law has had comments on the discussion board vanish, failed on several papers, and emails sent to the instructor never seem to arrive. Retaliation is much simpler when it isn’t face to face.


    112. Aussie Infidel
      113 | June 15, 2019 9:44 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      who profits from these attacks and increasing threat levels?

      We’re giving the Saudis everything they’ve asked for as far as I can tell – in the way of weapons, I mean. They don’t need us there.

      The Iranians are not having a good time at home. The sanctions are biting. It may be that it’s a “if WE can’t have it, NOBODY can have it’ disruption game. They can’t pay Hezbollah at the moment, so THEY’RE not happy jihadis. So, maybe it’s a rogue element in the gov’t???

      It does beg the question why they’d hit a Japanese ship while the Japanese PM was in town.

      The Norwegian tanker the Front Altair had only two mines detonated. The crew were lifted off that vessel by the USN, and shortly there after a cheeky ‘assumed Iranian ‘ boat pulled alongside the tanker and a small magnetic mine was seen to be removed from the hull of the tanker and the boat then too off headed NE towards Iranian waters.
      Of the two tankers attacked the Front Altair was in most danger of sinking even though only two of the three explosive devices initiated and was being aided by UAE vessels as it was inside UAE waters. The Kolkata Courageous was deemed not in any danger of sinking but was about to breach Iranian 12 nM territorial waters. It’s crew were taken off by Iranian warships and transported to a nearby Iranian port where they remain.

      My wild arsed guess for what it’s worth is that a faction of the Iranian regime was acting independently or perhaps as part of a semi-official harassment tactic by the Iranians. The trouble le is that both factions inside Iran as well as some within Saudi are gagging to tear each other’s throats out and the Saudis specifically want the USN do the tearing , bleeding and paying on behalf! The attack on a Japanese tanker may have been because Abe wasn’t playing ‘nice’ on his Iranian sojourn and Iran wanted to make a point!

      Who knows.

      Keep options open and keep collecting as much information as possible so that a rational assessment can be made.


    113. eaglesoars
      114 | June 15, 2019 9:46 pm

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      Saudis specifically want the USN do the tearing , bleeding and paying on behalf!

      I know nothing about the Saudi navy. Is there such a thing?


    114. eaglesoars
      115 | June 15, 2019 9:47 pm

      Deplorable Martian Overlord wrote:

      Retaliation is much simpler when it isn’t face to face.

      sounds like twitter

      None of my business but I think your bro should stay the course. Infiltrate the enemy.


    115. eaglesoars
      116 | June 15, 2019 9:49 pm

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      a faction of the Iranian regime was acting independently

      Deplorable Martian Overlord wrote:

      the Iranian government is having problems with the populace again

      yeah, dots connecting.


    116. Aussie Infidel
      117 | June 15, 2019 9:50 pm

      Deplorable Martian Overlord wrote:

      All that this means is that the Iranian government is having problems with the populace again. He said that every time the government has issues they start pulling shit to get the rest of the Iranian people united against the “evil” they are fighting against. If their bad behavior leads to more sanctions and punishments then they can reunite the people against the “oppressors”.

      Yup!

      That’s Oppressive Dictatorships 101 whenever there is an internal control problem.

      manufacture an external threat to pull the populous together. Rischstag fire anyone?

      Expect President Xi to generate an ’emergency’ sometime soo in the South China Sea!

      🙂


    117. Aussie Infidel
      118 | June 15, 2019 9:53 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      Saudis specifically want the USN do the tearing , bleeding and paying on behalf!

      I know nothing about the Saudi navy. Is there such a thing?

      The words … fucking useless… spring readily to mind.

      They have great equipment but their command structures stink. Go look at the recent punch-ups in the Red Sea against Iranian frigates. The Saudis were lucky getting away as the USN arrived and the Iranian’s took fright and raced back into port.


    118. eaglesoars
      119 | June 15, 2019 10:11 pm

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      their command structures stink.

      It’s old, you’ve probably already read it, but it remains a classic

      Why Arabs Lose Wars

      https://www.meforum.org/441/why-arabs-lose-wars


    119. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      120 | June 15, 2019 10:24 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      Saudis specifically want the USN do the tearing , bleeding and paying on behalf!

      I know nothing about the Saudi navy. Is there such a thing?

      Never had experience with the navy but was horribly unimpressed by the other services. All the officers were from the noble families and were pretty much useless inbred morons. The lower ranks were unmotivated and poorly educated and had no particular interest in doing better because they knew that not being nobility immediatly restricted their progress. Useless and worthless.


    120. Aussie Infidel
      121 | June 15, 2019 10:25 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      their command structures stink.

      It’s old, you’ve probably already read it, but it remains a classic

      Why Arabs Lose Wars

      https://www.meforum.org/441/why-arabs-lose-wars

      Yup. I know that one well. And an even more weighty tome that is worth its weight in Rocking Horse Shit is …” The Arab Mind’ written in the early 1930s and STILL the definitive book when it comes to all things Arab! It methodically deconstructs the whole Arab culture and allows one to connect the dots and know the reasons why stuff happens at the gut level.


    121. Aussie Infidel
      122 | June 15, 2019 10:33 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      It’s old, you’ve probably already read it, but it remains a classic

      Why Arabs Lose Wars

      I certainly have and it resonates.

      It all begins with Arab mothers, their ‘smother-love’ relationships with their infant boys and Arab family structures, followed by a total vault face at the tender age of 7 when Arab fathers and especially older siblings take over and create grief and terror in young sons.. and some fierce cruel beatings.


    122. Aussie Infidel
      123 | June 15, 2019 10:40 pm

      @ Deplorable Martian Overlord:
      Arrogant arseholes with questionable skillsets suitably sums up most Arab pilots. The army is totally stratified with mostly ill qualified officer classes (the cheat at promotion exams and get promoted on family connections). a cruel and vindictive NCO class who pass down the chain all of the brickbats metres out to them by the officers straight to the poor ‘cannon-fodder’ enlisted class who are so narrowly trained that they can’t operate past the last set of orders.

      As I said it all starts with the culture and with the attitudes of Arab parents to their children.


    123. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      124 | June 15, 2019 10:42 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      their command structures stink.

      It’s old, you’ve probably already read it, but it remains a classic

      Why Arabs Lose Wars

      https://www.meforum.org/441/why-arabs-lose-wars

      in countries where a tribal system still is in force, such as Saudi Arabia, the innate egalitarianism of the society mitigates against fear as the prime motivator, so a general lack of discipline pervades.21

      Heh, nailed it.


    124. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      125 | June 15, 2019 10:44 pm

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      @ Deplorable Martian Overlord:
      Arrogant arseholes with questionable skillsets suitably sums up most Arab pilots. The army is totally stratified with mostly ill qualified officer classes (the cheat at promotion exams and get promoted on family connections). a cruel and vindictive NCO class who pass down the chain all of the brickbats metres out to them by the officers straight to the poor ‘cannon-fodder’ enlisted class who are so narrowly trained that they can’t operate past the last set of orders.

      As I said it all starts with the culture and with the attitudes of Arab parents to their children.

      Yeah, we were informed a successful sortie was one that the Saudi pilot returned without crashing before encountering enemy fire.


    125. eaglesoars
      126 | June 15, 2019 10:46 pm

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      The Arab Mind’

      Rahpael Patai. I have it, I’ve read it, superb. The description of how the males are raised is astonishing.

      Another must read: The Closed Circle by David Pryce-Jones


    126. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      127 | June 15, 2019 10:50 pm

      All of which has led American trainers to develop a rule of thumb: a sergeant first class in the U.S. Army has as much authority as a colonel in an Arab army.

      I have personally seen this in action. Even as a AFC gate guard the officers listened to me as if I were of much higher rank. OTOH their own gate guards they ignored and blew off. If I saw an officer being belligerent or refusing to follow procedure all it took was for me to take two steps toward him to make him straighten up and fly right.


    127. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      128 | June 15, 2019 10:51 pm

      A1C not afc. (Airman first class).


    128. eaglesoars
      129 | June 15, 2019 10:54 pm

      Deplorable Martian Overlord wrote:

      we were informed a successful sortie was one that the Saudi pilot returned without crashing before encountering enemy fire.

      um, I thought we trained those guys.

      As for how males are raised: Having lived next door to TWO Saudi families, I’ve seen it first hand. I haz stories.

      The best one is when the boys next door, about 5 and 7, thought it was ok to tease my Molly, who was about 14 mos old when Hubby was bringing her home from a walk. They threw mulch and stones at her.

      I ignited. Hauled Dad out of the house, shoved him up against his van and told him if his spawn ever came near my dog again, I’d rip his fucking lungs out and feed them to him. Dressed in a t-shirt and shorts. In front of his kids.

      For the next 2 years, every one in that family ran for the house when they saw me coming. One infidel they never fucked with again.


    129. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      130 | June 15, 2019 10:54 pm

      A high rate of non-operational U.S. equipment is blamed on a “lack of spare parts”—pointing a finger at an unresponsive U.S. supply system despite the fact that American trainers can document ample supplies arriving in country and disappearing in a malfunctioning supply system.

      This was not by accident nor incompetence. I can’t even begin to tell you how many supplies are outright stolen by the supply personnel on the SA side. THey don’t even try to hide it. Under their culture it doesn’t count as stolen so isn’t subject to the handectomy. Somehow, they interpret it as spoils of war even though it is provided by an ally. (Though ally is not a term they understand, as per Islamic culture we are infidel and thus just an enemy that has yet to be dominated over).


    130. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      131 | June 15, 2019 10:57 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Deplorable Martian Overlord wrote:

      we were informed a successful sortie was one that the Saudi pilot returned without crashing before encountering enemy fire.

      um, I thought we trained those guys.

      As for how males are raised: Having lived next door to TWO Saudi families, I’ve seen it first hand. I haz stories.

      The best one is when the boys next door, about 5 and 7, thought it was ok to tease my Molly, who was about 14 mos old when Hubby was bringing her home from a walk. They threw mulch and stones at her.

      I ignited. Hauled Dad out of the house, shoved him up against his van and told him if his spawn ever came near my dog again, I’d rip his fucking lungs out and feed them to him. Dressed in a t-shirt and shorts. In front of his kids.

      For the next 2 years, every one in that family ran for the house when they saw me coming. One infidel they never fucked with again.

      We do train them. And as is explained in the article you gave us, they don’t listen. They don’t ask questions, they don’t adapt to changing situations, they outright refuse to listen to anyone they perceive to be of lower status than they are. It’s a nightmare.

      Saudi gate security is basically an 8-12 hour tea party. They sit, drink tea, and bullshit. Anyone they see drive up they pretty much just wave through without even a cursory check. They really don’t understand why we put so much effort into doing our job. Allah will provide and all that jazz.


    131. eaglesoars
      132 | June 15, 2019 10:59 pm

      Deplorable Martian Overlord wrote:

      All the officers were from the noble families and were pretty much useless inbred morons.

      I saw some of that in college. No matter what country, if they were from the upper classes, they were lazy, useless. One exception, my friend Bijan from Iran. BUT – OTOH – after I was assaulted in my apt one nite, my neighbors stayed the nights with me while my roomie was on the road for her job. They took turns sleeping on the sofa in the living room so I would never be alone. They were 3 guys from Libya and some of the finest people I’ve ever known. They did that for 2 weeks until the cops caught the guy.


    132. eaglesoars
      133 | June 15, 2019 11:10 pm

      Slow learners, too

      A Suicide bomber was shot dead by Israeli Forces, Muslims took up his body and Started Protesting for the ‘innocent muslim’. But they did not know that a Suicide Belt was Still Tied to the Bomber’s body they were carrying. What Happend Next is the Video

      Alluah Akbar, habibi!

      https://twitter.com/Amarsamaal/status/1139929762237841408


    133. eaglesoars
      134 | June 15, 2019 11:14 pm

      bedtime, nite.


    134. AZfederalist
      135 | June 15, 2019 11:15 pm

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      The Saudis were lucky getting away as the USN arrived and the Iranian’s took fright and raced back into port.

      “Inshallah” does not produce great, well trained, and proficient militaries


    135. yenta-fada
      136 | June 15, 2019 11:23 pm

      Deplorable Martian Overlord wrote:

      My brother is about to quit his online college. His ethics class just did a whole section on Communism and the next section is called “Social Justice”. WTF do either of these have to do with ethics?

      Maybe he should switch courses. Or carry over the online credits to another college that would teach him something useful if he is just looking for a degree as a credential. Seems like he does not need more ‘fighting the system’ in his life. Must be arts or science courses somewhere if he needs ‘humanities’ credits. You can take physical anthropology courses still, no? He could learn about gibbons unless PETA has made the study of animals a crime. Geology? It’s tough to be political about rocks.


    136. Aussie Infidel
      137 | June 15, 2019 11:24 pm

      Deplorable Martian Overlord wrote:

      Allah will provide and all that jazz.

      Back in the day Air NZ provided Boeing -737-300 crews to Royal Saudi Air while some of their their crews retrained on newer types. Most times there were 100% Air NZ crews buy on about 30% of the time there were mixed Saudi and Kiwi crews. Then the shutdown of a Saudi B-737 happened. A Kiwi crew flew it to Karachi to overnight there and a Arab crew brought it back to SA. On the way back as the aircraft crossed the East coast of SA some ‘wobble’ using the regular public transport flight as a practice target for his Rapier anti-aircraft missile as it crossed the coast got all worked up and disengaged two safeties and fired the bloody missile. It worked!

      Over 100 dead and the ‘accident’ was blamed on a USN anti-aircraft destroyer in the region, and when that failed to ‘take’ the story was that there was a bomb aboard that was pressure activated as the aircraft descended through 10,000 feet.

      The captain aboard also had a brother who was also a Royal Saudi captain. A Kiwi F/O was flying on a mixed crew with him and every time the airplane passed 10,000 feet this guy would climb out of his seat unroll his prayer mat and kneel down to pray on the cockpit floor, without any notice and regardless of what was happening in the cockpit.

      One VERY dark and stormy night going into Athens with a solid crosswind this skipper was not doing very well at all and the Kiwi copilot Pete McV was getting more than a little concerned. At 300 feet the skipper took his hands off the control yoke threw them upon the air and screamed…” it’s in the hands of allah”… Pete McV immediately took over and stood in for the ‘ AWOL allah’ and successfully landed the aircraft. He refused to fly with that skipper ever again.

      Strange but true!

      🙂


    137. AZfederalist
      138 | June 15, 2019 11:25 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      um, I thought we trained those guys.

      We show them the controls and try to teach them. Worked with a Boeing helicopter pilot who was a trainer when he was in the military. Before the Shah was overthrown, we were training Iranian helicopter pilots and he was one of the instructors. One of the stories he told: On helicopters, it is critically important that the fuel caps are all in place before takeoff. A loose fuel cap will allow the rotor wash to suck all of the fuel out of the tank when flying. No fuel, no engine noises. No engine noises, no helicopter blades turning anymore. No helicopter blades turning, earth no longer repels said ugly airframe and it recontacts earth. Hard.
      So, the pre-flight check of fuel caps is a critical part of training and really drilled into recruits. He said that he would deliberately loosen the caps prior to the pre-flights to make sure the recruits checked them. He also said, invariably, the Iranians would never properly complete the pre-flights and would miss the loosened caps. When he would ask them if they had done the pre-flights, they would smile to the infidel and nod, “Yes, we complete”. He would then walk them around and show them what they missed.


    138. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      139 | June 15, 2019 11:26 pm

      yenta-fada wrote:

      Deplorable Martian Overlord wrote:

      My brother is about to quit his online college. His ethics class just did a whole section on Communism and the next section is called “Social Justice”. WTF do either of these have to do with ethics?

      Maybe he should switch courses. Or carry over the online credits to another college that would teach him something useful if he is just looking for a degree as a credential. Seems like he does not need more ‘fighting the system’ in his life. Must be arts or science courses somewhere if he needs ‘humanities’ credits. You can take physical anthropology courses still, no? He could learn about gibbons unless PETA has made the study of animals a crime. Geology? It’s tough to be political about rocks.

      He’s getting a Human Resources degree and Ethics is a requirement.


    139. AZfederalist
      140 | June 15, 2019 11:26 pm

      Deplorable Martian Overlord wrote:

      (Though ally is not a term they understand, as per Islamic culture we are infidel and thus just an enemy that has yet to be dominated over).

      In their culture, by our aid, we are just paying the jizya that we owe them before they completely take over


    140. AZfederalist
      141 | June 15, 2019 11:30 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Alluah Akbar, habibi!

      https://twitter.com/Amarsamaal/status/1139929762237841408

      Dang! Looks like twitter took down the video.


    141. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      142 | June 15, 2019 11:32 pm

      The presumed close U.S.-Israel relationship, thought to be operative at all levels, aggravates and complicates this penchant for secrecy. Arabs believe that the most mundane details about them are somehow transmitted to the Mossad via a secret hotline.This explains why a U.S. advisor with Arab forces is likely to be asked early and often about his opinion of the “Palestine problem,” then subjected to monologues on the presumed Jewish domination of the United States.

      Saw this also in action. Conspiracy theories are rampant in the Saudi lower ranks. (Upper ranks too it seems).


    142. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      143 | June 15, 2019 11:34 pm

      AZfederalist wrote:

      Deplorable Martian Overlord wrote:

      (Though ally is not a term they understand, as per Islamic culture we are infidel and thus just an enemy that has yet to be dominated over).

      In their culture, by our aid, we are just paying the jizya that we owe them before they completely take over

      I’ve told the story a few times on here. Lower ranks at guard gate with me regaling me with how sad it will be when they have to go to war with us because we are infidel and must be brought under the “guidance” of allah.


    143. Aussie Infidel
      144 | June 15, 2019 11:46 pm

      AZfederalist wrote:

      When he would ask them if they had done the pre-flights, they would smile to the infidel and nod, “Yes, we complete”.

      Actually I am guilty as charged. Took off on some night flying at dusk. As got airborne I looked out to see in horror the port fuel cap straining against it’s chain and fuel ‘venturi-ing’ out of the tank. Did a VERY VERY quick circuit and hopped out and screwed the cap on Tight…. it never happened again!

      🙂


    144. Aussie Infidel
      145 | June 15, 2019 11:58 pm

      AZfederalist wrote:

      When he would ask them if they had done the pre-flights, they would smile to the infidel and nod, “Yes, we complete”. He would then walk them around and show them what they missed.

      Honour – Shame cultures …. you’d be walking on ice there mate!

      They would have been imagining cutting your head off for causing them to look silly!

      🙂


    145. AZfederalist
      146 | June 16, 2019 12:07 am

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      Honour – Shame cultures …. you’d be walking on ice there mate!

      It wasn’t me; he apparently survived, he was a mighty fine test pilot. We did some testing with him when we were teamed with them for a while.


    146. 147 | June 16, 2019 6:08 pm

      You can’t be a father if you aint a motherf^%$er… Happy fathers day all you motherf^%$er’s….


    147. lobo91
      148 | June 16, 2019 8:59 pm

      This thread is probably close to timing out, so here’s a new one


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