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    by coldwarrior ( 83 Comments › )
    Filed under Open thread at August 12th, 2019 - 2:43 pm

    I’m just waking up after 4 in row on the 3p to 3a shift…what time is it? 😉

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    83 Responses to “Monday Monday Open”
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    1. coldwarrior
      1 | August 12, 2019 2:46 pm

      Tanker wrote:

      I’d love to have one of those as well!@ lobo91:

      HI TANKER!


    2. coldwarrior
      2 | August 12, 2019 2:46 pm

      @ coldwarrior:
      your comments were in moderation, they are free now.


    3. coldwarrior
      3 | August 12, 2019 2:47 pm

      https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/10/trump-is-ruining-our-markets-farmers-lose-a-huge-customer-to-trade-war—-china.html

      and buried all the way at the bottom:

      Trump’s overall approval rating is 79% among farmers, according to a Farm Pulse survey taken last month. And a record-high number of farmers, some 78%, said the trade war will ultimately benefit U.S. agriculture, according to a July survey from Purdue Center for Commercial Agriculture. More than 75% of rural farmers voted for Trump in the 2016 election.

      Mike Knipper, a grain farmer from Iowa who likes some of Trump’s policies and dislikes others, said that most farmers in his community are Trump supporters who will continue to support him through the trade war.

      “It doesn’t matter who is president. People like Trump and will support him, and few will change their ideas,” he said.

      “Everyone’s willing to see this through, and those government subsidy checks might help them get by for another year.”


    4. yenta-fada
      4 | August 12, 2019 4:41 pm

      This spot of bother in Hong Kong is making markets, and people, in a jittery state.

      https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-12/100s-flights-cancelled-protesters-flood-hong-kong-airport-chinese-troops-gather

      Protesters have been handing out flyers to visitors at the airport. Heavy handed government halts flights, strands thousands. Protesters are being arrested, so they stopped telling people where demonstrations are going to be held. Why is Trump taking on a totalitarian regime which NEVER wants to lose ‘face’? I think he painted himself into an ugly corner on this one. His worst enemies imho are the American globalist Deep State traitors & their countless minions.

      https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-12/100s-flights-cancelled-protesters-flood-hong-kong-airport-chinese-troops-gather


    5. yenta-fada
      5 | August 12, 2019 4:42 pm

      @ yenta-fada:

      But I repeat myself…


    6. eaglesoars
      6 | August 12, 2019 4:49 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      “Everyone’s willing to see this through, and those government subsidy checks might help them get by for another year.”

      yeah, dairy isn’t happy. The subsidy checks aren’t enough


    7. Tanker
      7 | August 12, 2019 5:24 pm

      @ coldwarrior:
      Thanks coldwarrior, is been sometime since I was last on here. Had a few really tough years no one thought I’d survive.


    8. eaglesoars
      8 | August 12, 2019 5:34 pm

      Tanker wrote:

      @ coldwarrior:
      Thanks coldwarrior, is been sometime since I was last on here. Had a few really tough years no one thought I’d survive.

      For a time, I thought you hadn’t. But I follow you on twitter and saw a few posts, so I knew you were still around. Hope things are better.


    9. Tanker
      9 | August 12, 2019 5:42 pm

      @ eaglesoars:
      Just really getting back to what will be normal for me. Extremely thankful!


    10. rain of lead
      10 | August 12, 2019 5:53 pm

      @ Tanker:

      hey tanker!
      great to see you back
      dis joint needs some fresh comments


    11. rain of lead
      11 | August 12, 2019 5:54 pm

      oh, just got home from work and it was every bit of hell you would expect from a monday


    12. Tanker
      12 | August 12, 2019 6:30 pm

      Good the see you rain! Will need to catchup on all the people still here. Seems most if not all the regulars are still around. Glad to see that.


    13. eaglesoars
      13 | August 12, 2019 6:34 pm

      Tanker wrote:

      Good the see you rain! Will need to catchup on all the people still here. Seems most if not all the regulars are still around. Glad to see that.

      We lost Iron Fist 3 years ago – 3 yrs ago, yesterday I believe. I think he’s the only one since you’ve been around last.


    14. Tanker
      14 | August 12, 2019 6:41 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Tanker wrote:

      Good the see you rain! Will need to catchup on all the people still here. Seems most if not all the regulars are still around. Glad to see that.

      We lost Iron Fist 3 years ago – 3 yrs ago, yesterday I believe. I think he’s the only one since you’ve been around last.

      I was still here when we lost IF. My issues started to escalate shortly after his passing.


    15. eaglesoars
      15 | August 12, 2019 6:53 pm

      @ Tanker:

      Ah. My memory isn’t great on my best days…………


    16. eaglesoars
      16 | August 12, 2019 6:54 pm

      yenta-fada wrote:

      I think he painted himself into an ugly corner on this one.

      are you serious?


    17. Tanker
      17 | August 12, 2019 7:01 pm

      @ eaglesoars:
      Mine fails we still. Somedays are better than others. They’ve gotten much better over the last year though.


    18. eaglesoars
      18 | August 12, 2019 7:09 pm

      The court has just told the FBI to take a hike – the Comey memos will be released w/no redactions, period, full stop.


    19. Aussie Infidel
      20 | August 12, 2019 7:53 pm

      yenta-fada wrote:

      Why is Trump taking on a totalitarian regime which NEVER wants to lose ‘face’? I think he painted himself into an ugly corner on this one. His worst enemies imho are the American globalist Deep State traitors & their countless minions.

      I agree with you that Trump has problems aplenty maintaining his solid foundation at home so that he can then handle overseas contingencies. A secure ‘foot on the ground’ is always required and yes the Deep State is doing everything in its power to weaken him, regardless of the knock-on effects externally. That reachers has to be addressed but it’s a long slow process to change a sub-culture of corruption. Nominally a cultural change takes up to 15 or so years and that means a necessary Republican win in 2024 to carry on the Trumpian legacy.

      That said Yenta, totalitarian wickedness needs to be faced whenever and wherever it appears. To do anything else just allows this evil to fill any public policy voids and spread. Early action against it is the preferred option as time only advances wicked agendas. Look at the hiatus between 1933 and 1938 when the NAZI evil was given time to spread and entrench itself.

      Culturally China has a serious problem with face saving and I know that well. The West can use this potential face loss by China by keeping the ‘war by other means’ be it Tariffs or fiscal warfare between central banks. China is NOT a monolith and Xi is NOT all powerful. If the Chinese bureaucratic classes see that Xi is leading them to ruin, expect a ‘palace coup’ to change policy direction and seek a way to re-establish face and still get what they want … $$$$$ .

      Xi is just one man and he and his ‘gang of five’ advisers are NOT omnipotent.


    20. eaglesoars
      21 | August 12, 2019 7:55 pm

      @ rain of lead:

      we had a very good friend, naturalized citizen from Peru. Married a girl from back home and we helped bring her here. They needed someone to ‘vouch’ that she would not be dependent on public benefits (even tho she was married to him, and he owned his own business). We turned over 3 YEARS of tax returns and signed a doc saying if she could not support herself anytime w/in 3 yrs of her arrival, we would take financial responsibility for her. This was about 6 yrs ago. So it’s not clear to me that it has EVER been the case, for decades, that you could get a green card and use benefits.


    21. eaglesoars
      22 | August 12, 2019 7:58 pm

      @ Aussie Infidel:

      what Trump is doing is stressing every part of the structure he can reach. He’s making their life hell every chance he gets. This is about FAR more than trade.


    22. Aussie Infidel
      23 | August 12, 2019 8:16 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      @ Aussie Infidel:

      what Trump is doing is stressing every part of the structure he can reach. He’s making their life hell every chance he gets. This is about FAR more than trade.

      You bet it is more than just trade.

      We in the West are in a cold war with China… some more than others alas. The 3 monthly reporting corporations can only see the immediate 12 weeks ahead and they makes them both voluntarily short sighted and vulnerable to manipulation by State players with generational agendas.

      I just hope that the MSM-Hollywood axis are not attempting to create a perfect storm where Trump is seriously in danger of being assassinated.


    23. eaglesoars
      24 | August 12, 2019 8:29 pm

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      I just hope that the MSM-Hollywood axis are not attempting to create a perfect storm where Trump is seriously in danger of being assassinated.

      That’s exactly what they’re doing. I’ve been saying it for months.

      Or, in some ways, worse – Barron.

      I think most corporations are not THAT shortsighted. A few of them seem to be leaving China’s shores for calmer environments. Bloodshed in Hong Kong is going to exacerbate that exodus.

      Trump is going to be eviscerated for not getting a trade deal going into the election and every farmer is going to be trotted out for the hanky-moment. The WH has to get the word out about their Confuscius Institutes, etc., and give SOME sense of what the scale of infiltration has been. Russia’s got nothing on them.

      And I wonder if Anthony Scaramucchi’s sudden volte face’ is because he has a hedge fund hook w/China somewhere that’s going down if this doesn’t get ‘fixed’. He’s not stupid, but he’s reckless enough to make some bets that could make him desperate.


    24. yenta-fada
      25 | August 12, 2019 9:13 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      yenta-fada wrote:

      I think he painted himself into an ugly corner on this one.

      are you serious?

      Yes. Here’s one POV from stock trader Rick Ackerman:

      “We could know soon whether Trump’s trade war against China has been worth it. Beijing has increasingly good reason to give way, since there are signs that the Chinese economy is starting to implode. GDP was recently reported at 6.2%, the slowest pace since 1992, and consumers have been hit hard by the devaluation of the yuan. Cheapening the currency may have kept exports from collapsing, but it has also made imported goods more expensive, causing a corresponding fall in the standard of living.

      If China buckles, it would validate Trump’s initial, tactical assessment that the U.S. was in better shape to weather a trade war. That seems to be true so far, but if just a little more tit-for-tat should topple the global economy from its pins, the victory will have been Pyrrhic. While America’s economy is outwardly strong, inflated prices for stocks and real estate have made it extremely vulnerable to a downturn. Europe’s ongoing shrinkage could prove to be the catalyst, since it is occurring with interest rates at or below zero. The failure of the euro-zone to reverse this trend is certain to dampen Wall Street’s exuberance whenever the Fed hints of easing. This is a hazard that undoubtedly has begun to affect investor psychology, and its potential to kill the bull market once and for all should not be underestimated.”


    25. yenta-fada
      26 | August 12, 2019 9:17 pm

      @ Tanker:

      Welcome back. You may be often fatigued, but it’s great to have you back. Trust me, being sick will not protect you from ‘debate’. And that’s a good thing. 🙂


    26. yenta-fada
      27 | August 12, 2019 9:25 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      I think about protection for Trump and his family almost every day and utter a quick blessing even though it’s not something I ordinarily do. He is a beacon. Sadly, he can’t be juggling all the balls in the air all the time.


    27. eaglesoars
      28 | August 12, 2019 9:51 pm

      @ yenta-fada:

      yeah, there could absolutely be a global slowdown but I can’t believe he wrote that whole thing and didn’t mention Brexit.

      I’d like to chat more but I haz the sleepies. see yinz tomorrow probably.


    28. Aussie Infidel
      29 | August 12, 2019 9:58 pm

      Lessons for Australia in US Marines’ new guidance

      12 Aug 2019
      Euan Graham
      https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/lessons-for-australia-in-us-marines-new-guidance/

      Worth a read


    29. Aussie Infidel
      30 | August 12, 2019 10:05 pm

      yenta-fada wrote:

      Yes. Here’s one POV from stock trader Rick Ackerman:

      Ummmm !

      Ackerman is a STOCK TRADER and so has a very narrow and prejudiced view of reality.

      As the principle at Hatherways has been quoted. Leveraging and picking stocks is fraught. A monkey in the UK had the same profit result as Traders, by throwing a dart at a dart board covered in stock picks.

      Stock traders are a necessary evil in that they organise trades, nothing more.


    30. Aussie Infidel
      31 | August 12, 2019 10:08 pm

      @ yenta-fada:
      Buy and then HOLD long term.

      Don’t leverage and if you need to leverage then DON’T PLAY the market.

      Only invest money that you can afford to lose.


    31. AZfederalist
      32 | August 12, 2019 10:20 pm

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      We in the West are in a cold war with China… some more than others alas. The 3 monthly reporting corporations can only see the immediate 12 weeks ahead and they makes them both voluntarily short sighted and vulnerable to manipulation by State players with generational agendas.

      Somebody made the comment recently that long-term thinking in American corporations is what they are going to have for lunch


    32. 33 | August 13, 2019 1:30 am

      @ eaglesoars:
      Macker.


    33. yenta-fada
      34 | August 13, 2019 3:46 am

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      @ yenta-fada:
      Buy and then HOLD long term.

      Don’t leverage and if you need to leverage then DON’T PLAY the market.

      Only invest money that you can afford to lose.

      The only thing I buy ad hold is an inert yellow metal which manages to be a currency hedge as well as a traditional store of wealth. One of the big problems with Economists is that they don’t understand markets from the gut experience of trading them.

      Charles Nenner, a brilliant Dutch forecaster, used to teach the quants at Goldman Sachs. He said one of the hardest things was to drag the Ivy League PhD guys away from their book based theoretical learning.

      Nenner has devised his own complex cyclical model that earned him an international reputation. I’ll dig up recent youtubes from USA Watchdog, or you can easily find them yourself. He says he is Dutch, and above many things the Dutch hate to lose money. Putin has called upon his expert advice on his work wrt War cycles as well as Economic cycles. The Americans have not.

      I can’t afford it, but the only buy and hold stock I can think of is Microsoft. The Wall Street Journal is known by market cynics as The Bagholder’s Daily. They tell you to buy what they are selling. Not my expertise, but 20 years of obsessive reading from many sources has been valuable. One thing about losing your aged memory skills. Most things are fresh new information ready to be re-examined. lol


    34. rain of lead
      35 | August 13, 2019 5:41 am

      morning y’all

      yeah, up WAY too early
      panther was being a jerk and would not shut up
      soon as I got up, the little bastard was fine


    35. rain of lead
      36 | August 13, 2019 5:50 am

      they REALLY hate you part 10963

      https://thefederalist.com/2019/08/12/msnbc-panelist-white-people-destroy/

      In a feisty segment on Sunday’s “A.M. Joy,” Elie Mystal of Above the Law made an inflammatory comment in which he said white people who voted for Donald Trump should be destroyed. This came after a segment in which he argued there is no moral difference between avowed white supremacists and any white person who votes for Trump.


    36. rain of lead
      37 | August 13, 2019 6:13 am

      ***TOP FIVE MOST SURPRISING FINDS ON JEFF EPSTEIN’S PEDO ISLAND***

      5. Shrine to Joy Behar

      4. Guest chalet especially designed for Michael Jackson, carefully preserved since his death

      3. World’s largest collection of Barney merchandise

      2. The only pic in the world of Epstein NOT smirking

      1. Jars filled with Mitt Romney’s balls, Hillary’s heart, and Joe Biden’s brain


    37. Tanker
      38 | August 13, 2019 8:37 am

      @ rain of lead:
      My pup does the same thing! Gets me up early so he can deal with someone moving around in the neighborhood only to fine a spot to sleep by the time I get my first cup of Joe down. I usually force him to stay awake with me, the little jerk!


    38. eaglesoars
      39 | August 13, 2019 9:32 am

      Bunk X wrote:

      @ eaglesoars:
      Macker.

      as I recalled as I was falling asleep. That was just a year ago last month.

      I guess the big story today is the hilarious confrontation between Fredo Cuomo and some guy who actually called him Fredo. ‘Fredo’ is now an ethnic slur, just in case you were wondering. His brother wants to create a mental health database, Fredo should be the first one in. Here’s the video, and it is priceless

      https://pjmedia.com/video/chris-cuomo-threatens-violence-after-man-calls-him-fredo-ill-fcking-throw-you-down-these-stairs/

      “I’ll ruin your shit!”

      yeah, no you won’t.


    39. eaglesoars
      41 | August 13, 2019 1:36 pm

      @ coldwarrior:

      He’s just landed.

      And he just blows a hole in the ‘red flag’ bullshit

      Would Chris Cuomo be given a Red Flag for his recent rant? Filthy language and a total loss of control. He shouldn’t be allowed to have any weapon. He’s nuts!

      https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1161277403353759744


    40. eaglesoars
      42 | August 13, 2019 2:36 pm

      Rush sez the superintendent at Epstein’s jail has just been transferred.


    41. coldwarrior
      43 | August 13, 2019 4:54 pm

      Chianti…a nice perla del mar cigar, salmon and mackerel on the smoker.

      Tandoori on the grill.

      Its fusion. 🙂


    42. rain of lead
      44 | August 13, 2019 5:41 pm

      storming like hell
      weird to be getting rain and thunderstorms in mid ten in august

      that NEVER happens


    43. coldwarrior
      45 | August 13, 2019 6:43 pm

      MANBEARPIG


    44. eaglesoars
      47 | August 13, 2019 7:37 pm

      @ rain of lead:

      what do people who really ARE named ‘Fredo’ going to do now? After all, their name is now ‘no different than the n-word’.


    45. rain of lead
      48 | August 13, 2019 7:40 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      they should sue Cuomo


    46. lobo91
      49 | August 13, 2019 7:50 pm

      ICE Field Office Director Blames “Political Rhetoric” After Shots Fired Into San Antonio ICE Office

      The left won’t be happy until they get someone killed with this crap


    47. eaglesoars
      50 | August 13, 2019 7:52 pm

      rain of lead wrote:

      @ eaglesoars:

      they should sue Cuomo

      Their MOTHERS should sue


    48. Aussie Infidel
      51 | August 13, 2019 8:40 pm

      yenta-fada wrote:

      The only thing I buy ad hold is an inert yellow metal which manages to be a currency hedge as well as a traditional store of wealth

      I do hope that you hold that yellow stuff PHYSICALLY.

      Forget paper gold of promises to hold for you to reduce your security risk.

      I personally know a bloody Gold trader who sold the same gold seven times over and managed to convince the suckers that it was all ‘safe in his vault’. He and his wife somehow managed to not get locked up and are now sunning their buns on Australia’s Gold Coast while the suckers sit in cold wet Auckland.

      Lay your hands on YOUR gold and look after it yourself. It’s the only way.

      Also remember that at the stroke of a pen government can make private holding of gold illegal and can confiscate your metal at will. It’s happened before mate.

      Buy your metal … anonymously if at all possible, preferably from registered sellers otherwise you might get stuck with faux gold ( Inions are renowned for this scam) and store it covertly and tell NOBODY .


    49. Aussie Infidel
      52 | August 13, 2019 8:43 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Rush sez the superintendent at Epstein’s jail has just been transferred.

      Transferred?

      The moron should have had his arse fired very publicly, and made a pariah in the custodial industry.


    50. Aussie Infidel
      53 | August 13, 2019 8:55 pm

      @ eaglesoars:
      Bloody Brilliant

      https://sinocism.com/p/engineers-of-the-soul-ideology-in

      Enjoy 🙂


    51. Possum
      54 | August 13, 2019 9:38 pm

      Hi Tanker.

      There are still a couple of assholes from years ago that still post here.

      one of them is called Bunk.


    52. Aussie Infidel
      55 | August 13, 2019 9:43 pm

      Given the stats, the Battle of Britain was never a close run thing. On top of a 5 to1 ability to put aircraft where they were needed the RAF was fighting over its own countryside. This meant that they could ‘re-cycle’ shot down airmen and their airborne endurance was massively in excess of the Luftwaffe who had to transit both ways to the battlefield and they had just a few minutes available over the battlefield.

      Not even close to being close!

      Still it was a great story and a serious propaganda masterpiece at the time.

      The only thing that was of concern was the rate of repair of RAF Home Counties airfields vs. the Luftwaffe’s ability to shut them down (at least temporally). Even that stat would show that there were more than enough reserve airfields available to allow RAF repair teams able to keep most of the key fields operational most of the time. The switch of Luftwaffe operations from airfield bombing to attacking London had some effect of allowing better repair of Home Counties airfields but it was not to be all and end all switch that it was played up at the time. Probably to buoy up the London civilians who were being blitzed, as a propaganda piece by Churchill to show his support for Londoners.

      As with many things that happen in wartime, propaganda efforts often take on a life of their own at times, long after their propaganda use has been superseded by events and become quasi-historical tales to be passed down generation to generation.

      Subject: Re: Two writers I’ve been following closely for about a year…

      Not bad but he only just touched in the elephant in the RAAF’s hanger!

      Retention and training

      Without airmen all the tech in the world just sits idle and looks good.

      Relevant to that, this below.
      Churchill’s WW2 rhetoric was truly great and memorable but has to be tempered with the stats.
      Which reveal that Australia’s pilot problem has more in common with the Luftwaffe than the RAF

      What the Battle of Britain can teach us about defending Australia
      Andrew Davies
      13 August 2019
      https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/what-the-battle-of-britain-can-teach-us-about-defending-australia/

      On 13 August 1940, the Luftwaffe, Hitler’s air arm, set out to destroy the Royal Air Force’s ability to defend the airspace over and around Great Britain. That day 79 years ago—code-named Adlertag (‘Eagle day’)—was the beginning of the main phase of the first campaign of strategic consequence fought entirely in the air. When the dust settled at the end of October, the RAF had emerged the victor of the ‘Battle of Britain’, ensuring that German invasion plans would be put on hold indefinitely.
      I started thinking about the lessons from 1940 and subsequent air campaigns after reviewing Hugh White’s How to defend Australia here in The Strategist. Hugh essentially sees Australia as being in a similar position to Britain in 1940, relying on the combined efforts of a large strike fighter force and submarines to thwart designs a major power might have on Australian territory. I’ll look at the air component of his vision in this post.
      To extract the appropriate lessons from history, we need to understand which factors are enduring and which were specific to the time. And we need to understand what actually happened, rather than a romanticised version. The commonly held view of the campaign today is largely based on the words of Winston Churchill, who characteristically seized the moment in 1940 with a bold rhetorical flourish. His construct regarding the RAF’s Fighter Command—‘Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few’—memorably invokes an image of a small and outnumbered but supremely gallant band of airmen fighting off the Nazi hordes.
      But while it’s true that Fighter Command came under enormous stress and suffered terrible losses, that picture is far from complete. In fact, despite loss rates that modern air forces couldn’t sustain for any length of time, the RAF had more fighters and more pilots at the end of the air campaign than when it started. The numbers in the table below are telling—at no stage from Adlertag onward was the RAF outnumbered in either fighter or pilot numbers. In addition, an efficient maintenance and repair capability ensured that RAF fighters were consistently maintained at higher levels of availability—an important force multiplier.
      RAF July 1940 RAF October 1940 % change Luftwaffe July 1940 Luftwaffe October 1940 % change
      Single-seat fighter pilots 1,200 1,550 +29% 900 650 –28%
      Single-seat fighters 900 950 +5% 950 780 –17%
      Serviceability rates 90% 88% –2% 78% 78% –
      Source: Air Vice-Marshal Peter Dye, ‘How the west was won’, Aeroplane Monthly, July 2010.
      We can add a few more statistics to complete the picture. The RAF’s fighters flew more than 20,000 sorties in August, compared with 13,000 by Luftwaffe fighters. The differential was even greater in September, when the battle reached its peak: in the week of 23 September the RAF flew almost 5,000 fighter sorties to the Luftwaffe’s 1,000. And the numbers of aircraft arriving from the factories were startlingly different: Britain produced 4,283 new fighters in 1940, compared with 1,870 from German plants.
      Given how much numbers matter in air combat, having more aircraft, more pilots and higher rates of availability placed the RAF in the box seat to prevail—despite losing more than 50% of its aircraft and 20% of its pilots in both August and September. The other factor it had going for it was geography; it was operating closer to home, so aircraft range and endurance were less constraining than for the Luftwaffe. As well, RAF pilots who bailed out were likely to be back with their squadrons in a day or two, while surviving Luftwaffe pilots ended up in POW camps.
      That brings us to Hugh White’s ‘Battle of Australia’ scenario in which 200 frontline aircraft form a bulwark against a hostile power. The lessons from 1940 mostly apply, with the exception of the rapid production of replacement aircraft, given that the lag time for a new strike fighter is well over a year.
      Numbers still matter, and in a defensive posture geography would be on our side. Taking steps to ensure we could generate the number of sorties required would maximise the chances of success. Here are the enablers that need to be in place to make best use of an expanded fast-jet force (some of which Hugh includes in his book):
      • an adequate number of hardened forward bases to reduce transit time to operating areas
      • reliable supplies of fuel and other consumables to those bases
      • more trained pilots than aircraft (I doubt we could do that now with half the aircraft numbers)
      • efficient and effective forward maintenance facilities to reduce turnaround times between sorties
      • efficient second-line maintenance and repair to return aircraft to service
      • tanker aircraft to keep aircraft airborne for longer
      • an efficient rescue capability for ejected pilots (from both sides).
      If we could do that, it would make the projection of air power against Australia a formidable task and would go a long way to ensuring the nation’s security against overt armed attack. (Though, as Peter Hunter points out in his recent ASPI report, that should be only part of a national strategy.)
      ‘Never in the field of human conflict have so many owed so much to a combination of an efficient training pipeline, good field logistics and effective just-in-time mobilisation of the industrial sector’ doesn’t have the same stirring ring as Churchill’s famous line—but it would have been more accurate.

      Andrew Davies is a senior fellow at ASPI and lectures on defence acquisition at the Australian National University. Image courtesy of the Royal Air Force Museum.


    53. AZfederalist
      56 | August 13, 2019 9:43 pm

      rain of lead wrote:

      This came after a segment in which he argued there is no moral difference between avowed white supremacists and any white person who votes for Trump.

      … and they will try to do this if they get their hands on enough power. I am not being facetious when I compare them to the Bolsheviks of the early 1900’s. They are subverting language to their ideology, they are forming their own narrative of those are are in the revolution and those who are not. These are very dangerous people


    54. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      57 | August 13, 2019 10:06 pm

      lobo91 wrote:

      ICE Field Office Director Blames “Political Rhetoric” After Shots Fired Into San Antonio ICE Office

      The left won’t be happy until they get someone killed with this crap

      That’s the plan. That’s what the shootings are about. Notice it’s been pretty much all leftists doing the shootings.

      Hey Tanker Welcome back.


    55. Possum
      58 | August 13, 2019 10:07 pm

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      Given the stats, the Battle of Britain was never a close run thing. On top of a 5 to1 ability to put aircraft where they were needed the RAF was fighting over its own countryside. This meant that they could ‘re-cycle’ shot down airmen and their airborne endurance was massively in excess of the Luftwaffe who had to transit both ways to the battlefield and they had just a few minutes available over the battlefield.

      Not even close to being close!

      Still it was a great story and a serious propaganda masterpiece at the time.

      The only thing that was of concern was the rate of repair of RAF Home Counties airfields vs. the Luftwaffe’s ability to shut them down (at least temporally). Even that stat would show that there were more than enough reserve airfields available to allow RAF repair teams able to keep most of the key fields operational most of the time. The switch of Luftwaffe operations from airfield bombing to attacking London had some effect of allowing better repair of Home Counties airfields but it was not to be all and end all switch that it was played up at the time. Probably to buoy up the London civilians who were being blitzed, as a propaganda piece by Churchill to show his support for Londoners.

      As with many things that happen in wartime, propaganda efforts often take on a life of their own at times, long after their propaganda use has been superseded by events and become quasi-historical tales to be passed down generation to generation.

      So, basally you are saying that Britain cheated…


    56. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      59 | August 13, 2019 10:07 pm

      AZfederalist wrote:

      rain of lead wrote:

      This came after a segment in which he argued there is no moral difference between avowed white supremacists and any white person who votes for Trump.

      … and they will try to do this if they get their hands on enough power. I am not being facetious when I compare them to the Bolsheviks of the early 1900’s. They are subverting language to their ideology, they are forming their own narrative of those are are in the revolution and those who are not. These are very dangerous people

      Create the labels then designate the targets.


    57. Tanker
      60 | August 13, 2019 10:33 pm

      @ Possum:
      The more things change the more so much remains the same!


    58. Aussie Infidel
      61 | August 13, 2019 10:46 pm

      Possum wrote:

      So, basally you are saying that Britain cheated…

      Au Contraire..

      Cheated is definitely NOT the correct word here. Sure Britain overblew the rhetoric of “So much was owed by so many to so few” ( read propaganda ) by Churchill. But as Churchill also said … “Truth in war is so precious that it must always be guarded by a bodyguard of lies.”

      Thye Battle of Britain was won totally by a mixture of decentralised engineering production, fantastic logistics just in time production scheduling, radar directed ‘fighter effort’ organisational structure, early warning systems, airfield repair capability, twice the number of pilots, greater aircraft production capability than Germany, better aircraft maintenance organisation and more will power.

      I guess cheating is easy when you have done your homework!

      The fact that the Battle of Britain was won was a consequence of command organisation structures. The tale and even the historical narrative outside the cold logic of academia still tells a grand story that echoes down the ages of a Britain alone and with its back against the wall succeeding specularly. Just what the British public needed in those dark days of 1940.

      🙂


    59. AZfederalist
      62 | August 13, 2019 10:48 pm

      Possum wrote:

      So, basally you are saying that Britain cheated…

      One of those very rare cases where the defender had a significant advantage because the aggressor had horrible supply lines. Usually being on defense is bad because it is your territory being trashed by the ravages of war.


    60. Tanker
      63 | August 13, 2019 10:49 pm

      @ Deplorable Martian Overlord:
      You will find it extremely hard to convince a leftist of these facts. They will argue that all those doing the shootings are from the right no matter their facts. The Gaffer machine pretty much said it with his “we follow the truth rather than facts” stupidity. I’m still trying to figure out what makes this asswipe tick!


    61. Possum
      64 | August 13, 2019 10:53 pm

      @ Aussie Infidel:
      Thank you.


    62. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      65 | August 13, 2019 10:54 pm

      Tanker wrote:

      @ Deplorable Martian Overlord:
      You will find it extremely hard to convince a leftist of these facts. They will argue that all those doing the shootings are from the right no matter their facts. The Gaffer machine pretty much said it with his “we follow the truth rather than facts” stupidity. I’m still trying to figure out what makes this asswipe tick!

      It is quite amazing. But, when you control the media you can say whatever you please and no one can contradict you. Or at least in no way that can be heard by the squishy middle. Though the internet is changing this. And that’s why twitter facebook, and google are becoming more and more blatant on their censorship and control.


    63. Aussie Infidel
      66 | August 13, 2019 11:00 pm

      AZfederalist wrote:

      Possum wrote:

      So, basally you are saying that Britain cheated…

      One of those very rare cases where the defender had a significant advantage because the aggressor had horrible supply lines. Usually being on defense is bad because it is your territory being trashed by the ravages of war.

      The issues I have with Andrew Davies comments:-

      * Both Davies and Hugh White don’t even mention Australia’s Jindalee strategic ultra long range Radar which would spot any Chinese aircraft 1000’s of kms from Australia trying to fly here via refuelling aircraft. The Chinese refuellers would be ambushed after their first refuelling stop by F-35s. Returning Chinese strike aircraft would be ditching all over the South China Sea on their return flight.
      * In addition to Jindalee, the Aussies have Wedgetail if any aren’t spotted (500 – ? klm range radar)
      * In close, the Aussies have 3 brand spanking new anti aircraft destroyers (200 to 300 klm radar)
      * the only other way for China to get aircraft even remotely close would be by Carrier (a.k.a. a nice big fat target for Collins class subs or JASSMER missiles from Superhornets). Yup the Collins ultra quiet Collins attack sub that ‘(theoretically sank a USN destroyer and carrier in recent exercises off Hawaii)
      *Quote:- “tanker aircraft to keep aircraft airborne longer”
      -Yep….we’ve already got ‘em and they would be operating in our own home waters and not expeditionary mode
      * Australia would not need large aircraft replacements….the Chinese would….. as the totally networked F35 is a 20 to 1 air superiority and the RAAF’s F 18 electronic warfare aircraft to back them up. The Chinese wouldn’t even see them, and at 20 to 1 the Chinese would need + 2,000 fighters
      ….and both (F 35 & F18 Supers) can, and are, carrying HARM 88 E model anti radar missiles AND over the horizon anti ship missiles
      * This isn’t going to be a Battle of Britain rerun……nor are we 20 miles from China


    64. AZfederalist
      67 | August 13, 2019 11:16 pm

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      * This isn’t going to be a Battle of Britain rerun……nor are we 20 miles from China

      Nope, completely different kind of campaign.


    65. Tanker
      68 | August 14, 2019 7:33 am

      @ Deplorable Martian Overlord:
      I know all about the Twitter/Twiatter BS! I received a permanent suspension from them for the gall of questioning the promotion of a mental affliction by Amazon. The bigotry and straightforward threats allow from the left there never receives any suspension for them.


    66. eaglesoars
      69 | August 14, 2019 9:29 am

      I’m really busy but wanted to put a couple things out.

      First, I don’t ever again want to hear about how great the ‘rank and file’ of the FBI are. The totalitarian thugs who rose to the top are NOT the anomalies.

      The Wall Street Journal on Saturday featured an essay by one Clint Watts, formerly of the FBI and West Point’s Counter Terrorism Center. Watts makes those proposals using the word “white” 16 times in 18 paragraphs. The sociopolitical ideas rife among white people are the main matrix of terrorism in America, Watts contends. Racial profiling, anyone?

      Bemoaning the fact that U.S. law now restricts surveillance of, never mind restrictions on, U.S. persons to those who have committed or may be about to commit crimes, Watts proposes legislation that would permit designating persons associated with what the government may identify as “white supremacist ideology” as subject to surveillance to “preemptively assess whether these white supremacists are taking a radical turn toward violence.”

      Watts also proposes “red flag” laws, that would allow the government to take away weapons from someone so designated. Loss of weapons would be the least of burdens imposed on anyone so “red-flagged.” Career, reputation, possibly family, would be gone because someone in the notoriously impartial FBI so decided, perhaps with the agreement of the highly scrupulous FISA court, subsequent to ex parte, secret proceedings.

      This has become ruling-class conventional wisdom. Desire to wage war on ordinary Americans—to disadvantage them and even to kill them—had long been bubbling in the ruling class’s basements. The countless, nearly identical pronouncements from on high in recent days can be taken as an announcement that the ruling class has raised them into its forceful mainstream.

      https://amgreatness.com/2019/08/12/the-white-supremacy-hoax/

      Next, this has not got the attention it deserves, which is a TON. The Dems now feel comfortable threatening SCOTUS. I’d like to think this might be a wake-up call to that spineless toad Roberts, but I suspect he’ll just assume the fetal position.

      Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI) filed an amicus brief (“friend of the court” legal brief) at the Supreme Court on Monday, joined by follow leftwing partisan Sens. Richard Blumenthal (D-CT), Mazie Hirono (D-HI), Richard Durbin (D-IL), and presidential candidate Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY), demanding that the Supreme Court back out of a case over one of the most restrictive gun control laws in America.

      These leading Democrats also warned that if the justices proceed to issue a pro-Second Amendment ruling, and if Democrats win the White House and the Senate in 2020, then they will fundamentally remake the High Court.

      The liberal senators warn that “a growing majority of Americans believes this Court is motivated mainly by politics,” accusing the justices of issuing rulings through “bare partisan majorities.”

      The Democrat senators – one of whom is running for president – told the Court to either “heal itself” or be “restructured” if Democrats take power.

      https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/08/13/democrats-threaten-supreme-court-reject-second-amendment-or-face-court-packing/

      ok, later…………


    67. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      70 | August 14, 2019 12:59 pm

      Tanker wrote:

      @ Deplorable Martian Overlord:
      I know all about the Twitter/Twiatter BS! I received a permanent suspension from them for the gall of questioning the promotion of a mental affliction by Amazon. The bigotry and straightforward threats allow from the left there never receives any suspension for them.

      Very true. Saw a recent case where the left was using death threats and they weren’t being suspended.


    68. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      71 | August 14, 2019 1:06 pm

      @ eaglesoars:
      This is why the President is on the wrong side of the Red Flag issue. Creeps like this are just grinning waiting for their turn. Once they have their turn they will use this against “white supremicists” and everyone is “white supremicists” in their eyes. As I stated a few comments earlier. Create the labels and then designate the targets.

      The court thing isn’t anything new though. They were planning on doing that anyway, they are just phrasing it slightly differently this time.


    69. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      72 | August 14, 2019 1:09 pm

      This is why they are so desperate to keep RBG alive, if they lose her the structure of the court changes for generations. It would be nice if several could be replaced by this President, at this point I don’t care which President they were appointed by.


    70. 73 | August 14, 2019 2:39 pm

      @ Deplorable Martian Overlord:
      If Trump is reelected, I’d like to see Thomas step down so he can be replaced with another Constitutional conservative.


    71. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      74 | August 14, 2019 3:09 pm

      right_wing2 wrote:

      @ Deplorable Martian Overlord:
      If Trump is reelected, I’d like to see Thomas step down so he can be replaced with another Constitutional conservative.

      I’d like to see Roberts to step down so he can be replaced by an actual constitutional conservative.


    72. eaglesoars
      75 | August 14, 2019 3:31 pm

      @ Deplorable Martian Overlord:

      I’d like to see Roberts step down so he could be replaced by an actual vertebrate.

      ran across this:

      The Left Eats Its Own: NYT Editor Demoted After Tweets Attacking ‘The Squad’ and Justice Democrats

      The Left Eats Its Own: NYT Editor Demoted After Tweets Attacking ‘The Squad’ and Justice Democrats

      When did the Stasi show up>

      https://pjmedia.com/trending/the-left-eats-its-own-nyt-editor-demoted-after-tweets-attacking-the-squad-and-justice-democrats/


    73. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      76 | August 14, 2019 6:35 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      @ Deplorable Martian Overlord:

      I’d like to see Roberts step down so he could be replaced by an actual vertebrate.

      ran across this:

      The Left Eats Its Own: NYT Editor Demoted After Tweets Attacking ‘The Squad’ and Justice Democrats

      The Left Eats Its Own: NYT Editor Demoted After Tweets Attacking ‘The Squad’ and Justice Democrats

      When did the Stasi show up>

      https://pjmedia.com/trending/the-left-eats-its-own-nyt-editor-demoted-after-tweets-attacking-the-squad-and-justice-democrats/

      Nah, snakes are still vertebrates. Or maybe he’s a worm.


    74. eaglesoars
      77 | August 14, 2019 6:42 pm

      And if you’ve ever wondered what Jeffrey Epstein’s taste in art was like – here ya go

      Jeffrey Epstein had a painting of Bill Clinton wearing a blue DRESS and red heels and lounging in the Oval Office inside his Manhattan mansion

      must be seen to be believed……….

      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7353967/Did-Jeffrey-Epstein-portrait-Bill-Clinton-blue-dress-red-heels-NYC-mansion.html


    75. Aussie Infidel
      78 | August 14, 2019 8:10 pm

      yenta-fada wrote:

      GDP was recently reported at 6.2%, the slowest pace since 1992, and consumers have been hit hard by the devaluation of the yuan.

      Chinese GDP has a false floor of 6% right from the off. Its false internal housing boom is just a smoke and mirrors exercise and a fiat money-go- round . Given the Chinese internal money creation scam a admitted Chinese 6.2% GDP means that their real GDP is around 0% to 0.2%


    76. Aussie Infidel
      79 | August 14, 2019 8:12 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      And if you’ve ever wondered what Jeffrey Epstein’s taste in art was like – here ya go

      Jeffrey Epstein had a painting of Bill Clinton wearing a blue DRESS and red heels and lounging in the Oval Office inside his Manhattan mansion

      must be seen to be believed……….

      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7353967/Did-Jeffrey-Epstein-portrait-Bill-Clinton-blue-dress-red-heels-NYC-mansion.html

      I wish it was true but it certainly looks contrived and a cut and paste exercise. And not a very good one at that

      🙂


    77. Aussie Infidel
      80 | August 14, 2019 8:26 pm

      A copy of the leaked Epstine documents… for your edification !

      https://www.theblackvault.com/documentarchive/jeffrey-epstein-ghislaine-maxwell-virginia-giuffre-unsealed-documents/


    78. AZfederalist
      81 | August 14, 2019 10:24 pm

      Any comments on today’s stock market drop? Seems to be totally driven by fear-mongering. “leading indicator of recession that is 100% right” — yeah, one time it predicted a recession 24 months in advance — how the Fox Business page phrased it. I’d say that it something happens 24 months before the event it is predicting, that’s not a very reliable indicator.

      … and the 800 point drop! Close to the largest point drop in history. Yeah, but as a percentage of the DOW? As a percentage of total, 3%, pretty sure that’s not close to the largest percentage drop.

      Somebody is trying to tank the economy; they are going back to the Bush I democrat campaign


    79. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      82 | August 14, 2019 10:35 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      And if you’ve ever wondered what Jeffrey Epstein’s taste in art was like – here ya go

      Jeffrey Epstein had a painting of Bill Clinton wearing a blue DRESS and red heels and lounging in the Oval Office inside his Manhattan mansion

      must be seen to be believed……….

      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7353967/Did-Jeffrey-Epstein-portrait-Bill-Clinton-blue-dress-red-heels-NYC-mansion.html

      Probably painted live.


    80. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      83 | August 14, 2019 10:37 pm

      https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/08/14/chris_cuomo_and_self-ownership_141009.html

      Sorry Chris. Fredo was never and still is not racist. In fact Donald Trump Jr. Tweeted out this fact since HE WAS CALLED FREDO and isn’t even Italian. Fascinating article.


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