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Stupid People Open 2

by coldwarrior ( 261 Comments › )
Filed under Open thread at March 16th, 2020 - 9:20 am

Corona Virus makes some people flat out stupid. But, this is corporate level moronic decision making and these bags of hammers were flat-line stupid before any virus.

Mrs Coldwarrior works for an insurance owned hospital system. The system is famous, but it is run by morons who are never held accountable for their stupid actions. I left there years ago because they gave me seizures, migraines, and tardive diskenesia from witnessing their incompetence once too often. 😉

Mrs Coldwarrior’s phone went off at midnight, she has to get up at 0500 to go tend to the sick. The phone call was from corporate informing her that non-essential personnel should stay home. Her idiot company woke up every doctor, resident, nurse, tech, housekeeper, etc to inform them that the paper pusher drones and the infected leeches in HR get to stay home while the rest of you go to tend to the sick. They woke up the chair of the neuro-surgery department! Mrs Coldwarrior says that he is not at all amused.

Will anyone answer for this at that joint? Nope…these are the same crew who came around to each floor to claim that a grease trap backed up when in fact a huge sewer pipe in the basement ruptured. Everyone new what was going on withing minutes, the shit-stink was overwhelming, but corporate came around and lied…this is the sad situation wher Mrs Coldwarrior works.

It’s an open

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  1. Brick
    1 | March 16, 2020 10:00 am

    Interesting times. WWG1WGA.


  2. Buckeye Abroad
    2 | March 16, 2020 10:32 am

    My CFO attempted to leave Paris to Madrid this morning and was shocked that Air France cancelled the flight and told him Spain has closed it’s borders. Apparenlty he didn’t think any of that applied to him. Now he is mad because most of the office did not show up to work (mothers with children at home) due to school closures and the reduced public transportation.

    I have started to put feelers out.


  3. 3 | March 16, 2020 11:32 am

    I can understand the run on Purell, antibacterial soap and even dishwashing soap.

    Toilet paper? I actually was on the brink of running out on Saturday, so I shuffled off to the grocery store. ONE box of 12-roll pabkages of Angel Soft (hate Angel Soft). Grabbed one. Others were grabbing five and six packages. Do you think they’re going to weld you inside your hose

    Meat shelves, canned goods, milk, eggs, bread, rice, beans all stripped bare. But the biggest surprise? Bottle water. This isn’t a damned natural disaster. There’s this amazing thing in your kitchen. Turn it to the left. Voila! Most of us have a refrigerator that even dispenses the filtered variety. Or for crap’s sake, buy a BRITA or a PUR.

    But what really pissed me off was the people taking ALL the toilet paper. I said in a stage whisper as I was leaving the store to a clerk I knew there. “I hope I never live to see the day when media hype turns me into a greedy, inconsiderate piece of s**t.” The three people at the self-checkout with their 72 rolls of toilet paper all looked up and glared.

    “Yes. I’m talking about YOU.”


  4. rain of lead
    4 | March 16, 2020 12:08 pm

    So I went to my own on lunch
    Holy fuck, every thing blown out
    Scraps…just a few scraps
    Never have I seen anything like this


  5. rain of lead
    5 | March 16, 2020 12:09 pm

    @ rain of lead:
    Walmart damn it


  6. rain of lead
    6 | March 16, 2020 12:11 pm

    @ rain of lead:
    Walmart


  7. 7 | March 16, 2020 12:33 pm

    Truckers calling into conservative radio (because Truckers know who REALLY respects them) all say that they’re on the road and delivering on schedule.


  8. coldwarrior
    8 | March 16, 2020 12:34 pm

    @ The Barbarian:
    @ rain of lead:
    i hate humans.

    walmart looked ridiculous this morning.

    no dried beans???? wtf. i am the ONLY person i know who knows how t cook those things. wait until the dilodos who bought all of them read the instructions. 😆

    no semolina flour….??????? WHY? who bought all of it? gonna make a ton of pasta? this is a specialty item for gods sake!

    i was able to get a brisket and some ribs for the smoker tho.

    no tp or paper towels on the shelf at all.


  9. eaglesoars
    9 | March 16, 2020 12:37 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    i am the ONLY person i know who knows how t cook those things.

    no you’re not


  10. Brick
    10 | March 16, 2020 12:49 pm

    Just got back from brunch @ one of our local diners. Owner was very concerned about the significant reduction in call-in orders, deliveries, and eat-ins since Friday. Talked for a good 15 mins. Her concern was genuine. Paid for my meal, and purchased a bunch of gift certificates. If this freeze keeps up, it’s going to crush small businesses like hers.

    Tonight, I think we’ll be stopping by another eatery we frequent and will give them some cash. Local family owned, they’ve stepped up and are feeding kids in the neighborhood for free that won’t be getting their breakfasts and lunches because the schools are closed.

    We need more of these stories and less of ZOMG KORNA VIRS!


  11. eaglesoars
    11 | March 16, 2020 12:55 pm

    @ Brick:

    People are going to have to go back to work, sooner rather than later. A young adult can live on crackers and canned tuna for awhile. If you’ve got kids to feed, different ballgame.


  12. Brick
    12 | March 16, 2020 12:59 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Very true.


  13. eaglesoars
    13 | March 16, 2020 1:16 pm

    Good idea from Rand Paul

    Today I’m calling on the IRS to move our tax filing deadline from April 15 to July 15, and to waive any interest and fees for late payment. This will allow those who owe money not to have to send it during our current situation.

    https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/1239595295085932547


  14. eaglesoars
    14 | March 16, 2020 1:23 pm

    So China is sending us masks? WTF? There was a hospital in Tennessee that tossed a shipment of surgical gowns from China because proper sterile procedures hadn’t been followed. And now we’re taking MASKS from these guys?

    I’ll ride bareback, thanks.


  15. Deplorable Martian Overlord
    15 | March 16, 2020 1:25 pm

    I just had a thought last night. My current chances of running into and making contact with someone with Covid 19 in this state are less than winning the Montana Millions Lottery. That would mean my chances of dying of it are somewhere on par with winning the powerball.

    And this is what is causing a panic. Even here.


  16. eaglesoars
    16 | March 16, 2020 1:55 pm

    Trudeau is finally getting around to close the borders.


  17. eaglesoars
    17 | March 16, 2020 2:08 pm

    You will see news reports that Trump has told the states they’re “on their own” when it comes to getting ventilators, etc.

    “Respirators, ventilators, try getting it yourselves”

    Here’s the rest that they’re not providing

    “We will be backing you, but try getting it yourselves. Point of sales, much better, much more direct if you can get it yourself”

    https://twitter.com/heckyessica/status/1239606753395965958/photo/1


  18. 18 | March 16, 2020 2:15 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    My first caller today claimed that Trump will be essentially shutting everything down for a two-week period.

    If it’s true, the left will complain that he’s a dictator and planning to suspend the election. If he doesn’t do it, the left will complain because he’s not doing enough.


  19. eaglesoars
    19 | March 16, 2020 2:19 pm

    right_wing2 wrote:

    My first caller today claimed that Trump will be essentially shutting everything down for a two-week period.

    Your caller is out of the loop. Everyone else is predicting 8 weeks.

    And I’ve said before, if Trump so much as whispers that maybe the election should be postponed, this bug evaporates yesterday.


  20. lobo91
    20 | March 16, 2020 2:34 pm

    @ right_wing2:

    Like this?

    House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn Compares Trump and Republicans To Nazi Germany

    ‘I used to wonder how could the people of Germany allow Hitler to exist, but with each passing day, I’m beginning to understand how’


  21. lobo91
    21 | March 16, 2020 2:36 pm

    Albuquerque City Council May Expand Powers to Block Second Amendment Rights

    The Albuquerque City Council is scheduled to consider an ordinance to allow the Mayor to prohibit all firearm transfers during the current COVID-19 outbreak. This will happen today at 5PM, behind closed doors and without public input. Using fear of current events, this ordinance would give the Mayor the ability to cite “Emergency Powers” as an excuse to undermine our firearms freedoms and ability to defend ourselves. This was placed on the calendar with less than two days’ notice and constituents will not be allowed to attend the hearing. It is vital to your Second Amendment rights that you contact members of the Albuquerque City Council and strongly urge them to oppose this unnecessary power grab. You can click on the link below to contact the council members.


  22. eaglesoars
    22 | March 16, 2020 2:55 pm

    @ lobo91:

    linky? I’d like to share……..


  23. 23 | March 16, 2020 3:23 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Albuquerque City Council May Expand Powers to Block Second Amendment Rights

    The Albuquerque City Council is scheduled to consider an ordinance to allow the Mayor to prohibit all firearm transfers during the current COVID-19 outbreak. This will happen today at 5PM, behind closed doors and without public input. Using fear of current events, this ordinance would give the Mayor the ability to cite “Emergency Powers” as an excuse to undermine our firearms freedoms and ability to defend ourselves. This was placed on the calendar with less than two days’ notice and constituents will not be allowed to attend the hearing. It is vital to your Second Amendment rights that you contact members of the Albuquerque City Council and strongly urge them to oppose this unnecessary power grab. You can click on the link below to contact the council members.

    What if they promise to wipe the evil black gun down with a Clorox wipe before transfer?

    We have been told that we have the option to work remotely from home. I came into the office. (My trial was now postponed until my birthday). I was asked why I was there.

    My reply: “Because I checked my driver’s license this morning and the name on it wasn’t ‘Chicken Little.'”

    Gavin Newsome has told everyone over the age of 65 to stay home. Riiiiiight.


  24. coldwarrior
    25 | March 16, 2020 3:29 pm

    https://triblive.com/news/pennsylvania/gov-wolf-orders-all-nonessential-pennsylvania-businesses-to-shut-down/

    It will be up to individual businesses and organizations to heed the order, according to Wolf.

    “This has to be self-enforced,” he said. “This is not your government mandating anything. This is your fellow public servants telling you what the right way to handle this public health crisis is.

    “We’re not sending out the state police or National Guard to enforce this,” he continued.

    i cant take this level of stupidity any longer.


  25. 26 | March 16, 2020 3:59 pm

    Six Bay Area counties are expected to launch a “shelter in place” through the beginning of April. All non-essential businesses are to shut down.

    This is martial effing law.


  26. coldwarrior
    27 | March 16, 2020 4:10 pm

    @ The Barbarian:
    And so it starts.

    There’s gonna be blood….


  27. eaglesoars
    28 | March 16, 2020 4:29 pm

    I just got a text from my niece, 1st responder in Florida.

    Make sure you’re stocked up on enough meds and dog food for 3 months

    I said I’m good on dog food, nothing I can do about the meds. Do you know something I don’t?

    Mom keeps asking me the same thing. Just listen to me please.

    ok, then.


  28. Deplorable Bumr50
    29 | March 16, 2020 4:30 pm

    I am getting set in the hotel for my workweek here in Uniontown, PA.

    It appears that Aldi has placed rations per customer on EVERYTHING, and while the meat was depleted it was still there. Everything else other than TP and hand sanitizer seemed to be available.

    I can see Walmart on the hill across from me, and it looks like bedlam so I didn’t venture over there

    It’s a really bad time to be a fracker, so I dont know if I’ll make it the week. They were asking for voluntary layoffs BEFORE the panic, and now it looks like oil may be headed to 20 dollars.

    Time to go in for night shift of employment deathwatch. Yay!!

    Everybody stay safe and keep a cool head out there.

    I know I’m trying.


  29. Possum
    30 | March 16, 2020 4:36 pm

    Update from Team Houston. One member of the team got lucky today. Arrived at a small Walmart, ( Neighborhood Walmart ) just as they were putting a shipment of toilet paper and paper towels on the shelf. This was at 1pm.

    I intended to go to the store to start a slow stock up of canned goods, packet tuna, flour tortillas, meats, cheeses etc. Also zip lock bags, aluminium foil, glad wrap, dish soap and all the other non-food items that are needed periodically.

    AND CAT FOOD!

    I have no job. So was thinking that I am in an ideal situation to “self quarantine” for a couple of months. No point stocking up on the obvious stuff and having to then go to the store to buy, for example, CAT FOOD and exposing myself ( OK Bunk stop laughing at the mental image of a Possum exposing himself in Walmart )

    Anyway I got two 12 packs of toilet paper, a six pack of paper towels ( Having two 4 week old kittens involves quite a few paper towels, not ready for litter box training yet. And I am glad I made this post. Add cat litter to the eight week isolation stock. See how easy it is to think you are stocked up on everything? The obscure items catch you out )

    Well, I do not need 24 rolls of toilet paper, I will keep a few rolls and distribute the rest to the to the needy. Or a friend. 🙂

    But fear overtook me. I had plans, buy food. However having toilet paper in my cart I just then grabbed a bottle of wine and a six pack of beer and ran to the checkout.

    Before the fighting started…


  30. eaglesoars
    31 | March 16, 2020 4:48 pm

    Deplorable Bumr50 wrote:

    Uniontown, PA.

    Good lord. I was born there. Hard to believe there’s fracking work there now, of all places.

    Head out on Rt 68 toward the mountain, you’ll pass thru a little hamlet called Hopwood. That’s where we lived. If you like to bowl, I think the bowling alley is still there, on Fairchance Rd.

    Up the mountain, you’ll see the Summit Inn. Owned by the family of a school chum. I think it’s closed now, but you can probably still walk the grounds, beautiful mountain views. It’s been around since long before the Revolution. Fort Necessity isn’t far, either.


  31. eaglesoars
    32 | March 16, 2020 5:00 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Almost forgot. Stone House Restaurant and Country Inn. Yeah, up the mountain.

    http://www.stonehouseinn.com/

    Decent food and the portions are HUGE. Good value, very cozy


  32. Aussie Infidel
    33 | March 16, 2020 5:17 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Albuquerque City Council May Expand Powers to Block Second Amendment Rights

    So a local municipality gets to enact local emergency ordinances that override the US Constitution?

    Hmmm

    So much for rule of law.

    Now if the Federal government declared Albuquerque Council to be a terrorist organisation that would make more sense and at least it would be lawful.

    🙂


  33. coldwarrior
    34 | March 16, 2020 5:21 pm

    savages.

    https://triblive.com/news/pennsylvania/pennsylvania-liquor-stores-set-to-close-over-coronavirus-concerns/

    good thing i have stock pile (bar)


  34. Deplorable Bumr50
    35 | March 16, 2020 5:23 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Stone House does some killer BBQ in season.

    Pretty soon, almost nobody’s going to be fracking anywhere in the continental US for a bit.

    There’s still some work around here, but this is where most companies set up shop at the beginning of the boom. Most of the wells being completed now are further west into Ohio and in far NE PA towards Towanda.

    This downturn is going to put a lot of folks out of work and business. Many of the other local companies have already had major layoffs.


  35. eaglesoars
    36 | March 16, 2020 5:27 pm

    Deplorable Bumr50 wrote:

    Stone House does some killer BBQ in season.

    That I don’t remember. But it’s been almost 60 yrs since I lived there, so… I can’t even remember the name of the bowling alley!


  36. Aussie Infidel
    37 | March 16, 2020 5:30 pm

    Possum wrote:

    Well, I do not need 24 rolls of toilet paper,

    What is it with folks and toilet paper?

    Every time the balloon goes up there is a rush on toilet paper. Hell Carona virus doesn’t even give you the shits!
    🙂

    Remember the time BEFORE there was much toilet paper about/ Even seen old phone books hanging from a hook behind the door of the ‘long drop’? You know right beside the old wine body uses as the Castillani Bottle full of disinfectant and beside the little shovel and wooden box of ‘lime’ to keep the smell down in the hot summer weather?

    Still had to keep an eye out for those red back spiders lurking under the toilet seat!

    🙂


  37. 38 | March 16, 2020 5:32 pm

    @ Aussie Infidel:

    I can’t figure out the bottled water myself. This isn’t a hurricane or an earthquake or a tornado. There is nothing to indicate that infrastructure will be affected. But apparently they’re just responding the way they’ve seen other people respond in an emergency. GRAB THE BOTTLED WATER!

    I have a sink. Three of them in fact.


  38. Aussie Infidel
    39 | March 16, 2020 5:33 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    savages.

    https://triblive.com/news/pennsylvania/pennsylvania-liquor-stores-set-to-close-over-coronavirus-concerns/

    good thing i have stock pile (bar)

    They should stock 120 proof + liquor and tell the folks that they have the option to use it internally or as a disinfectant!

    🙂


  39. Aussie Infidel
    40 | March 16, 2020 5:34 pm

    The Barbarian wrote:

    @ Aussie Infidel:

    I can’t figure out the bottled water myself. This isn’t a hurricane or an earthquake or a tornado. There is nothing to indicate that infrastructure will be affected. But apparently they’re just responding the way they’ve seen other people respond in an emergency. GRAB THE BOTTLED WATER!

    I have a sink. Three of them in fact.

    Quite.

    If you are really paranoid just put in a plug and fill them with fresh clean potable water. Hell in a crisis you can even drink water from the toilet cistern … but PLEASE NOT from the bowel!

    🙂


  40. Aussie Infidel
    41 | March 16, 2020 5:35 pm

    bowl = bowel

    🙂


  41. eaglesoars
    42 | March 16, 2020 5:38 pm

    Before I die, I want to watch someone cold cock this bastard

    Economists, myself included, often make a point of saying that the stock market is not the economy, which it isn’t. It *is*, however, pretty much the Trump presidency. Take away his magic talisman and there’s nothing left

    https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/1239650000914862081


  42. coldwarrior
    43 | March 16, 2020 5:39 pm

    @ Aussie Infidel:

    we get wine delivered…so we’re good.

    the beer store wont close.


  43. Aussie Infidel
    44 | March 16, 2020 5:44 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    Mrs. A.I. came home from work at 10AM with a cold. The only person she came in contact with is another lab tech.

    She’s sitting u in bed with a coffee and hot water bottle and the paper and is busy doing the puzzles.

    The chance that she has come into contact with a Corona carrier is NIL There are only 8 identifies Carona cases in country and there are 3 pairs of married folks in that 8. All came in from overseas and no community transmission at all so far … touch wood.

    As NZ clamped down on all inbound travel early and there is now a massive social distancing program in place to slow community spread when it finally happens. Schools are all still open and the period of influx of annual students from abroad was handles well. The universities are crying poor but that was expected.

    Air NZ has cut 85% of international flights and is vacationing and using forced leave taking for 3500 out of 13,000 staff so far. As the government owns 53% of Air NZ they have said that they will support the groundings as necs=essary so that the airline will be ready to rebound quickly at the other end of this.

    🙂


  44. Aussie Infidel
    45 | March 16, 2020 5:48 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ Aussie Infidel:

    we get wine delivered…so we’re good.

    the beer store wont close.

    You will just have to martyr yourself CW and drink some of that excess beer, to allow the rest to get properly cold!

    🙂


  45. eaglesoars
    46 | March 16, 2020 5:49 pm

    @ Aussie Infidel:

    Oooh, dang. Best wishes to Mrs. Aussie.


  46. coldwarrior
    47 | March 16, 2020 5:54 pm

    @ Aussie Infidel:

    mrs coldwarrior is home sick too!

    it aint coronona…its the hospital crud that we all get


  47. coldwarrior
    48 | March 16, 2020 5:55 pm

    Aussie Infidel wrote:

    You will just have to martyr yourself CW and drink some of that excess beer, to allow the rest to get properly cold!

    i shall persevere.


  48. coldwarrior
    49 | March 16, 2020 6:00 pm

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/16/how-president-trump-can-solve-the-ventilator-shortage-issue-now/

    you can have a billion ventilators, there are only so many ICU / vent trained RNs and respiratory therapists….


  49. 50 | March 16, 2020 6:37 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Krugman was the one who said the stock market would completely tank if Trump was elected. When it starts recovering, like it was on Friday, his media buddies immediately lie and start more doom and gloom.

    These d**kheads don’t give a crap WHO they hurt. They just wanted to make sure the economy tanked in time for the election.


  50. Deplorable Martian Overlord
    51 | March 16, 2020 6:48 pm

    Welp, a beauracrat no one in my county has ever heard of has just shut down all bars, casinos and restaraunts for a week. There are at present 6 cases of Covid in my state NONE of them confirmed all awaiting testing results.

    Crash the economy.


  51. coldwarrior
    52 | March 16, 2020 6:51 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Economists, myself included, often make a point of saying that the stock market is not the economy, which it isn’t. It *is*, however, pretty much the Trump presidency. Take away his magic talisman and there’s nothing left

    https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/1239650000914862081

    he ceased being an economist years ago. now he’s just a frustrated asshole who writes for other frustrated assholes


  52. coldwarrior
    53 | March 16, 2020 6:54 pm

    Deplorable Martian Overlord wrote:

    Welp, a beauracrat no one in my county has ever heard of has just shut down all bars, casinos and restaraunts for a week. There are at present 6 cases of Covid in my state NONE of them confirmed all awaiting testing results.

    Crash the economy.

    ignore the order, they did in nashville…make the police enforce the rule, they wont. or at least i would like to think that they wont.

    from what i am seeing here, our governor’s order is going to be pretty much ignored. as it should be.

    this is all on purpose. but their timing is off. this will work out quite well later…pent up demand is a bastard


  53. Deplorable Martian Overlord
    54 | March 16, 2020 7:02 pm

    This is getting even more sinister than an economic crash. I’m reading of planned food shortages in Illinois. NY governor trying to demand the President deploy troops for the “crisis”.

    They are trying to get food riots and troops shooting on people. They want to win by discrediting the President with images of horror. They don’t care what they have to do, who they have to kill, and what kind of damage is done to the economy or the people. These people are sick and we need to remember this. Covid 19 isn’t the virus, these sick Democrats are the virus, they need to be dealt with or we aren’t getting back to normalcy.


  54. Deplorable Martian Overlord
    55 | March 16, 2020 7:03 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Deplorable Martian Overlord wrote:

    Welp, a beauracrat no one in my county has ever heard of has just shut down all bars, casinos and restaraunts for a week. There are at present 6 cases of Covid in my state NONE of them confirmed all awaiting testing results.

    Crash the economy.

    ignore the order, they did in nashville…make the police enforce the rule, they wont. or at least i would like to think that they wont.

    from what i am seeing here, our governor’s order is going to be pretty much ignored. as it should be.

    this is all on purpose. but their timing is off. this will work out quite well later…pent up demand is a bastard

    The people in my state have proven to be mindless sheep. Not only will they follow the order, they will go further and shut down completely, cancelling the allowed delivery options.


  55. coldwarrior
    56 | March 16, 2020 7:11 pm

    Deplorable Martian Overlord wrote:

    They are trying to get food riots and troops shooting on people. They want to win by discrediting the President with images of horror.

    bingo.

    and the leaders in law enforcement and the military will go for it to advance their careers. they WILL sell out the american citizen


  56. eaglesoars
    57 | March 16, 2020 7:29 pm

    Deplorable Martian Overlord wrote:

    I’m reading of planned food shortages in Illinois.

    where are you reading that?


  57. eaglesoars
    58 | March 16, 2020 7:36 pm

    The Mueller team is embarrassed again for its utter incompetence and hubris

    The DOJ moves to dismiss the charges against the Russian Company (Concord) who conducted the alleged “information warfare against the US”

    https://twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1239687082160689152

    They never established that Concord actually worked for the Russian gov’t.

    Oops.

    How much of my money did this cost?


  58. 59 | March 16, 2020 7:46 pm

    @ Aussie Infidel:
    Mrs. RW has gone nuts over toilet paper and paper towels. We have at least four of the Sam’s Club size packages of each, plus we have probably 700 pounds of cat litter, and enough food for most of a month even for our zoo.


  59. rain of lead
    60 | March 16, 2020 7:54 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    the downtown bars and honkytonks have caved and said they will close

    🙁


  60. coldwarrior
    61 | March 16, 2020 7:55 pm

    rain of lead wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:

    the downtown bars and honkytonks have caved and said they will close

    amazing.

    lets kill everyone’s job so they can be wards of the state.


  61. lobo91
    62 | March 16, 2020 7:58 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Romney is calling for the government to give $1000 a month to every American


  62. Deplorable Martian Overlord
    63 | March 16, 2020 7:59 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Deplorable Martian Overlord wrote:

    I’m reading of planned food shortages in Illinois.

    where are you reading that?

    It was in an article I saw this morning. Can’t find the damn thing now though. They were talking about the closures, forced limits on store hours, and how it was the perfect setup for planned shortages. But, of course since it was on my google feed on my phone I can’t find it now.


  63. lobo91
    64 | March 16, 2020 8:00 pm

    The Legal Aid Society
    @LegalAidNYC
    ·
    6h
    We’re calling for an immediate moratorium on NYPD arrests.

    “We are in the midst of a pandemic and our last priority should be to cycle New Yorkers through our broken criminal justice system, separated from their families, communities, and quality services.”


  64. Deplorable Martian Overlord
    65 | March 16, 2020 8:02 pm

    The other thing that makes no sense is I’m hearing of curfews in a couple of places. This is disease, not public disorder. Curfew makes no sense unless you are trying to control the movement of the populace. All that happens is systematic harrassment of night shift workers.


  65. eaglesoars
    66 | March 16, 2020 8:09 pm

    Deplorable Martian Overlord wrote:

    how it was the perfect setup for planned shortages

    hypothetical. ok


  66. Aussie Infidel
    67 | March 16, 2020 8:10 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ Aussie Infidel:

    mrs coldwarrior is home sick too!

    it aint coronona…its the hospital crud that we all get

    I think it’s her annual change os seasons cold!
    🙂

    She’s asleep now and I just gargled with salt water as i also have a strep throat. Hopefully quick and sustained salt gargling will ‘head ’em off at the pass!

    🙂


  67. eaglesoars
    68 | March 16, 2020 8:11 pm

    might work

    Blood from recovered coronavirus patients could be used in a vital stop-gap treatment to help protect humanity from the COVID–19 pandemic currently spreading around the world, researchers propose.

    In a new paper, infectious disease experts explain how viral antibodies, contained in the blood serum of patients who have already recovered from the new coronavirus, could then be injected into other people, offering them short-term protection.

    https://www.sciencealert.com/a-classic-therapy-from-the-1890s-could-help-protect-against-coronavirus-experts-say


  68. Aussie Infidel
    69 | March 16, 2020 8:30 pm

    right_wing2 wrote:

    Mrs. RW has gone nuts over toilet paper

    We all have our crosses to bear mate!

    🙂


  69. Aussie Infidel
    70 | March 16, 2020 8:35 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:

    Romney is calling for the government to give $1000 a month to every American

    Whattttt?
    … and how in hell does he think he will be able to extract that much stimulus every month to manage the resulting inflation?

    China does it by having so-called banks that hoover up money slush and then magically use pixie dust to make it vanish by collapsing the ‘special banks’ on a regular basis


  70. coldwarrior
    71 | March 16, 2020 8:36 pm

    @ Aussie Infidel:

    a hot whiskey with cloves, tobasco, lemon and boiling water.

    mrs cw’s throat feels fine and she is asleep.


  71. Aussie Infidel
    72 | March 16, 2020 8:38 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    rain of lead wrote:

    @ coldwarrior:

    the downtown bars and honkytonks have caved and said they will close

    amazing.

    lets kill everyone’s job so they can be wards of the state.

    Bernie’s wet dream!

    🙂


  72. Aussie Infidel
    73 | March 16, 2020 8:42 pm

    Hot whiskey, check … (my Isish soul weeps at the loss of perfectly good whiskey ( and it’s Irish Whiskey too … and on St. Patrick’s day too) Ohh the humanity!

    Cloves …check

    Tobasco … hmmm NOT check.

    Lemon ….. check

    Boiling water . check ………………..( how much?) ……..

    Ahhh I’m still weeping over the waste of that whiskey!

    🙂


  73. Brick
    74 | March 16, 2020 8:50 pm

    Deplorable Martian Overlord wrote:

    The other thing that makes no sense is I’m hearing of curfews in a couple of places. This is disease, not public disorder. Curfew makes no sense unless you are trying to control the movement of the populace. All that happens is systematic harrassment of night shift workers.

    That’d be pretty good cover for snatching up bad guys.


  74. eaglesoars
    75 | March 16, 2020 8:59 pm

    Fed has called for an emergency mtg tomorrow

    https://www.federalreserve.gov/aboutthefed/boardmeetings/20200317closed.htm


  75. coldwarrior
    76 | March 16, 2020 9:00 pm

    @ Aussie Infidel:
    I used bushmills


  76. eaglesoars
    77 | March 16, 2020 9:01 pm

    oh yeah – a judge denied Gov DeWine’s request to postpone Ohio’s primary


  77. Aussie Infidel
    78 | March 16, 2020 9:55 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ Aussie Infidel:
    I used bushmills

    I use Jameson Irish

    What a terrible waste of perfectly good Irish whiskey!

    Begorrah

    🙂


  78. coldwarrior
    80 | March 16, 2020 9:57 pm

    @ Aussie Infidel:
    Erin go braless!


  79. Aussie Infidel
    81 | March 16, 2020 10:04 pm

    NZ government has just unleashed the equivalent of $US3/4 trillion (on an equivalent per capita basis) that is $12 billion as an initial package to offset the economic effects of the Carona virus. That includes $600 million for Air NZ (equivalent to US$ 40 billion to airlines in the US). The package is complex and far reaching and it’s taken an hour to express in Parliament.

    This is an initial package and will be followed up in a few months with a second package. Fortunately NZ has only 18% public debt and is running its economy ($12 billion in the black this year). That gives the government plenty of fat to trim without too much pain. Even a bloody socialist government. Did I say that we have a November election. That’s why the government is looking positively rational rather than sucking up to their confidents.

    🙂

    We live in interesting times.


  80. Aussie Infidel
    82 | March 16, 2020 10:28 pm

    Smart thinking by the Minister of Finance.
    Instead of laying off workers everyone and especially small business contractors keep their jobs but work less days and get a small subsidy from the government rather than having massed unemployment, that will cost heaps. Working week will go to 3-4 days a week with subsidy for the employers making it up to about just over a 4 day wage per week and you keep all your workers in jobs. Germany did a similar scheme and it seemed to work last time there was a crisis.

    That makes it much better for workers taking a 20% pay hit rather than trying to survive on unemployment subsidies.

    More importantly it keeps people working ranter that goofing off and never getting back to work when this crisis passes


  81. eaglesoars
    83 | March 16, 2020 11:02 pm

    handy site

    https://infection2020.com/

    not gov’t.


  82. eaglesoars
    84 | March 16, 2020 11:24 pm

    Aussie Infidel wrote:

    More importantly it keeps people working

    wait until people find no milk on the shelves because people couldn’t go to work at the processing plants.

    We’re getting emails from Hill staff about what needs to be done to keep this stuff in the supply chain. Especially for WIC pgms, etc. (That’s ‘Women, Infants, Children program, which is subsidized, people who are eligible get discounts/subsidies at the grocery store for certain products.)

    No milk for the babies and just watch……..


  83. Deplorable Martian Overlord
    85 | March 16, 2020 11:48 pm

    One sad thing about this in my town. Just had a new brew pub with two restaraunts in it open up in town and they were having some issues with getting some of their supplies for their soft opening. Now they were open one day and were ordered to shut down for a week because of this county wide shutdown garbage. This is going to be rough on them, they’ve had the worst luck. I hope it’s only a week, I don’t think they will weather much longer especially since our mall is run be greedy trash and they won’t even consider giving a break based on circumstances.


  84. 86 | March 16, 2020 11:49 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    I need to pick up some Black Bush. Tullamore Dew. Kilbeggans. Knappogue Castle…


  85. Aussie Infidel
    87 | March 16, 2020 11:53 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Aussie Infidel wrote:

    More importantly it keeps people working

    wait until people find no milk on the shelves because people couldn’t go to work at the processing plants.

    We’re getting emails from Hill staff about what needs to be done to keep this stuff in the supply chain. Especially for WIC pgms, etc. (That’s ‘Women, Infants, Children program, which is subsidized, people who are eligible get discounts/subsidies at the grocery store for certain products.)

    No milk for the babies and just watch……..

    Because NZ is only 5 million strong I guess we can gert away with having a compulsory 2 weeks annual sick leave by law that has been on the books for ever. There is an emergency provision for a temporary increase ti up to 4 weeks in situations like this. I think the second fortnight is at 80% of one’s normal wage.
    Ewe also have 6 months maternity leave at 80% wages and even 6 weeks paternity leave at 80% wages so dad can help out. When little Rohan was born his mum took her 6 months off and then his dad took 6 weeks off from the police while his mum got settled in back at work. The NZ cops also make it easier on new dads by reassigning them to less bust stations and ones who don’t have night shifts for a couple of years.

    Tat helped a LOT


  86. Aussie Infidel
    88 | March 16, 2020 11:55 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    Correct. The short weeks schedules for businesses under pressure keeps the supply chains open and working, almost as normal.


  87. Aussie Infidel
    89 | March 17, 2020 12:08 am

    @ eaglesoars:
    @ coldwarrior:
    I see that Chloroquine is able to mitigate the effects of Corona virus in at risk groups and appears to give some level of protection when it comes to catching it.

    Used to take Chloroquine as an anti-malarial in New Guinea. I STILL got malaria however as I was living in malaria central

    🙂

    Some seemed more prone to catching malaria. I was one of the unlucky ones!


  88. Aussie Infidel
    90 | March 17, 2020 12:09 am

    At 5cents a tablet it’s cheap and apparently partially effective in the case of Carona as well.


  89. eaglesoars
    91 | March 17, 2020 12:13 am

    Deplorable Martian Overlord wrote:

    they won’t even consider giving a break based on circumstances.

    Well, you can’t get blood from a stone. How many businesses does the mall management have lined up to take their place?

    @ Aussie Infidel:

    Your dairy industry is a bit different from ours, simply because of geography and scale. Because milk produced in Pennsylvania can’t be shipped to California. I don’t know if milk produced in South Auckland can be shipped all over the country. And don’t you export most of your dairy? Not in the form of fluid, but whey, butter, cheese, etc? I know you produce more than you need. So I don’t really understand your supply chain or labor issues

    This is the paper that came out a few days ago about using chloroquine as a treatment for COVID-19. What WASN’T noted is that they’ve noticed preventative properties also. At the bottom, Chloroquine as a prophylactic (preventative) measure against COVID-19

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTi-g18ftNZUMRAj2SwRPodtscFio7bJ7GdNgbJAGbdfF67WuRJB3ZsidgpidB2eocFHAVjIL-7deJ7/pub


  90. eaglesoars
    92 | March 17, 2020 12:19 am

    I buy a lot of my skin care/cosmetic stuff from Sephora. Just got an email about store closures. Basically, all of them. But it also says all employees will continue to receive base pay, health and wellness benefits. The same for warehouse employees.

    bedtime. nite.


  91. Aussie Infidel
    93 | March 17, 2020 12:23 am

    @ eaglesoars:
    eaglesoars wrote:

    I buy a lot of my skin care/cosmetic stuff from Sephora. Just got an email about store closures. Basically, all of them. But it also says all employees will continue to receive base pay, health and wellness benefits. The same for warehouse employees.

    bedtime. nite.

    Go look up :_
    https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-reduced-shift-plan-could-serve-as-a-model-for-other-countries/a-4705732

    and see how the Germans managed to keep companies .. and supply chains too .. going in fraught times by job sharing


  92. 94 | March 17, 2020 12:25 am

    BREAKING NEWS:

    Stupid people are still stupid, and they get innocent people killed on a daily basis.


  93. Aussie Infidel
    95 | March 17, 2020 12:37 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Deplorable Martian Overlord wrote:

    they won’t even consider giving a break based on circumstances.

    Well, you can’t get blood from a stone. How many businesses does the mall management have lined up to take their place?

    @ Aussie Infidel:

    Your dairy industry is a bit different from ours, simply because of geography and scale. Because milk produced in Pennsylvania can’t be shipped to California. I don’t know if milk produced in South Auckland can be shipped all over the country. And don’t you export most of your dairy? Not in the form of fluid, but whey, butter, cheese, etc? I know you produce more than you need. So I don’t really understand your supply chain or labor issues

    This is the paper that came out a few days ago about using chloroquine as a treatment for COVID-19. What WASN’T noted is that they’ve noticed preventative properties also. At the bottom, Chloroquine as a prophylactic (preventative) measure against COVID-19

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTi-g18ftNZUMRAj2SwRPodtscFio7bJ7GdNgbJAGbdfF67WuRJB3ZsidgpidB2eocFHAVjIL-7deJ7/pub

    In NZ there are no states. Just a single national government, so you can ship anything anywhere. NZ ships most of its milk as powder which is then re-constituted when it arrives at the other end. The thinking is why ship water>?

    NZ dairy stock graze year round outside too and they all eat grass and not artificial manufactured feed lots.
    The country is NOT the most efficient producer of milk. That award goes to dairy farmers in the NE US.
    NZ does produce a LOT of yoghurt, cheese, baby formula, and especially butter. The largest dairy company in NZ and one of the world’s largest food producing companies is Fonterra. It’s an unusual corporate structure with over 10,000 co-operative farms who partially own the ‘value add’ marketing and processing plants as shareholders as well as being the producers of the raw materials. Farms are mostly family affairs and nominally run 200-400 head plus replacements being raised onsite. Many farms still are ‘herringbone’ set ups with cows coming in a two sided comb structure. There are a LOT of Rotary fully automated farms as well where 2 people can milk 400 cows twice a day with no trouble. Milk tanker trucks abound down every side road throughout the Waikato region just south of Auckland, and most of the North Island and the top end of the South Island.


  94. Aussie Infidel
    96 | March 17, 2020 12:40 am

    @ eaglesoars:
    NZ’s 5 million produce enough high value foods to feed 50 million so most of the food goes off shore.

    Milk is still top but horticulture especially fruit farming and aquaculture (farmed salmon) and fishing (4th largest Fishing Economic Zone in the world) also help!

    🙂


  95. Aussie Infidel
    97 | March 17, 2020 12:43 am

    doriangrey wrote:

    BREAKING NEWS:

    Stupid people are still stupid, and they get innocent people killed on a daily basis.

    Ain’t that the truth!

    🙂


  96. Deplorable Martian Overlord
    98 | March 17, 2020 12:50 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Deplorable Martian Overlord wrote:

    they won’t even consider giving a break based on circumstances.

    Well, you can’t get blood from a stone. How many businesses does the mall management have lined up to take their place?

    @ Aussie Infidel:

    Your dairy industry is a bit different from ours, simply because of geography and scale. Because milk produced in Pennsylvania can’t be shipped to California. I don’t know if milk produced in South Auckland can be shipped all over the country. And don’t you export most of your dairy? Not in the form of fluid, but whey, butter, cheese, etc? I know you produce more than you need. So I don’t really understand your supply chain or labor issues

    This is the paper that came out a few days ago about using chloroquine as a treatment for COVID-19. What WASN’T noted is that they’ve noticed preventative properties also. At the bottom, Chloroquine as a prophylactic (preventative) measure against COVID-19

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTi-g18ftNZUMRAj2SwRPodtscFio7bJ7GdNgbJAGbdfF67WuRJB3ZsidgpidB2eocFHAVjIL-7deJ7/pub

    Not many, still several empty slots that they still haven’t filled after a year.


  97. Aussie Infidel
    99 | March 17, 2020 12:54 am

    @ eaglesoars:
    Everything you ever didn’t need to know about Fonterra

    🙂

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fonterra


  98. Buckeye Abroad
    100 | March 17, 2020 5:46 am

    German radio was mentioning that agriculture will suffer because their labor pool comes from Poland and Romania for planting and harvest. They already predict food price increases this year.


  99. Buckeye Abroad
    102 | March 17, 2020 5:50 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ Aussie Infidel:
    I used bushmills

    I will be knocking back a few shots of Black Bush tonight despite bar and restaurants shutting their doors.


  100. 103 | March 17, 2020 6:19 am

    My bank call center interview got turned in to a phone interview at 9. Applying for some other bank positions too. And I need to see if the have anything at the local electric company site too.


  101. eaglesoars
    104 | March 17, 2020 8:42 am

    This is beyond cute. The Chicago aquarium closed – so they let the penguins out to explore

    https://twitter.com/evanmcmurry/status/1239663996950773761


  102. Brick
    105 | March 17, 2020 8:54 am

    @ right_wing2:

    If you want it, I hope you get it!

    Good morning. 🙂


  103. Brick
    106 | March 17, 2020 9:19 am

    China is asshoe. (And so is Harvard University.)

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1239752768228909057


  104. 107 | March 17, 2020 9:41 am

    You know, there’s a part of me that has to wonder.

    They know Trump would be re-elected on the basis of his great handling of the economy. They’ve tried several things to bring down the economy – MSM reports a recession, etc., and it didn’t work.

    But now, it’s tanking. Because the MSM is spreading panic and fear. They are literally CELEBRATING what is happening to the stock market right now.

    Mission accomplished.


  105. eaglesoars
    108 | March 17, 2020 9:50 am

    @ The Barbarian:

    You’re not alone.

    The flaw in the logic is that it’s global, not confined to just western countries, let alone to just the U.S.

    I see that China thinks as it’s recovered first, it can get a jump on filling in market gaps. What they fail to understand is that niggling little concept called ‘trust’. Their bank balance is overdrawn.


  106. Brick
    109 | March 17, 2020 9:55 am

    @ The Barbarian:

    The media is totally complicit with the faction(s) desperately trying to unseat Trump.

    Some search terms at the GOOG had suppressions removed in the last 72 hours. Try a G search now for Adrenochrome – Images for example.

    Memes previously suppressed on most major social media platform, now dominate results.

    Times they are a’ changin’.


  107. 110 | March 17, 2020 9:56 am

    @ Brick:
    Well, it would be a starting place. I’ve filled out a few other applications but haven’t had any responses yet.


  108. Brick
    111 | March 17, 2020 10:20 am

    @ right_wing2:

    Now’s a tough time to be looking – is kind of an understatement. I believe in about 3 weeks or so, you’ll have much better prospects! 🙂

    We finally filled one of our 2 vacant positions that had been vacant for about 6 months. Our hiring process takes 3 months in PERFECT conditions. The new guy was supposed to start yesterday…the SAME day the Governor announced a 14 day shut-down for non-essential workers. I had to call him at 6 in the morning and tell him, sorry dude…don’t come in. The good news was, because he completed his on-boarding online already and is officially on our complement, at least he’s getting paid.


  109. eaglesoars
    112 | March 17, 2020 10:29 am

    <iBusinessInsider and SeekingAlpha report that Amazon, in a memo to sellers, says it's suspending all non-essential shipments (i.e. anything other than medical supplies and household staples) to warehouses until April 5 to manage its workload.

    https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1239921235707826176


  110. Brick
    113 | March 17, 2020 10:32 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    If true, that’s going to jam a BIG stick in the spokes.


  111. eaglesoars
    114 | March 17, 2020 10:40 am

    @ Brick:

    Amazon is in a lot better shape than people who have been using the moronic ‘just in time’ inventory mgmt system. The stuff is in their storage, they just are holding off shipping it out.


  112. 115 | March 17, 2020 10:44 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    @ The Barbarian:

    You’re not alone.

    The flaw in the logic is that it’s global, not confined to just western countries, let alone to just the U.S.

    I see that China thinks as it’s recovered first, it can get a jump on filling in market gaps. What they fail to understand is that niggling little concept called ‘trust’. Their bank balance is overdrawn.

    Already the cry is up that China should no longer be permitted to manufacture pharmaceuticals and medical supplies for shipment to the U.S. Note to XiXi – probably threatening to withhold these items to the U.S. for calling it the KungFu Virus was not the best strategy. Especially since NO ONE believes you anymore. I say give the manufacturing to Vietnam.


  113. eaglesoars
    116 | March 17, 2020 10:45 am

    These fuckers

    Coronavirus Is Making China’s Model Look Better and Better

    The democratic world order survived the crash of 2008. It may not be so fortunate this time.

    Mike Bloomberg deserves to be pummeled until he’s indistinguishable from a pot sticker.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-17/coronavirus-is-making-china-s-model-look-better-and-better?srnd=opinion&utm_source=url_link


  114. 117 | March 17, 2020 10:46 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    It’s interesting that Amazon is hiring over 100,000 full and part time employees at this moment to deal with orders, etc. If I’m one of the service industry people in the SIX Bay Area Counties under lockdown with no current job, hell, work at the Amazon warehouse. At least you’ll be getting paid.


  115. eaglesoars
    118 | March 17, 2020 10:48 am

    Fed sets up facility to lend commercial paper

    That’s the headline on the Fox business scrawl. I don’t know what it means.


  116. eaglesoars
    119 | March 17, 2020 10:52 am

    The Barbarian wrote:

    100,000

    !!! Just in the Bay area or nation wide?


  117. eaglesoars
    120 | March 17, 2020 10:59 am

    Crimeny. Panicked call from one of ‘our’ farmers. She’s got 300 applications from people from Mexico to work on her farm this season – and the consulate closed down.

    We’ll be getting more calls, no doubt. This farmer has some dairy, but she’s one of the largest veg producers in NY.

    Maybe I should learn how to can.


  118. Brick
    121 | March 17, 2020 11:16 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    In every cloud a silver lining.
    https://twitter.com/EpochTimes/status/1239932000984797191


  119. 122 | March 17, 2020 11:33 am

    @ Brick:
    Finished today’s interview and will hear in about 10 days about the next step. Got a call mid-interview to schedule an interview with a different bank on Thursday.

    And just got a call about last week’s interview (the 11/hr one) saying things were on hold for 2 weeks.


  120. Brick
    123 | March 17, 2020 12:44 pm

    @ right_wing2:

    Multiple irons in the fire. Excellent!

    Once all this breaks free in a couple of weeks…it’ll all seem easy by comparison. 🙂


  121. Brick
    124 | March 17, 2020 1:04 pm

    Another good presser for our President just now.


  122. 125 | March 17, 2020 1:44 pm

    I’m curious about something. Let’s say you HAD the COVID-19 during the regular flu season and got over it. Went about your merry way and were tested now. Would you test positive for COVID-19??


  123. eaglesoars
    127 | March 17, 2020 2:03 pm

    The Barbarian wrote:

    Would you test positive for COVID-19??

    reply  |

    Don’t think so. Because they aren’t releasing people when they feel better, they’re releasing them when they test negative.

    Altho I gather not all tests are equal. My understanding is that we declined the use of some from China because they have a high rate of false negatives. I don’t know if it’s an issue of ‘sensitivity’ or what.


  124. 128 | March 17, 2020 2:07 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Yes, I heard that too. I thought it was the test WHO was pushing, that people were getting false negatives.

    I’d really be interested in how many people that test positive and quarantine themselves for 14 days remain either symptom free or have mild symptoms.


  125. eaglesoars
    129 | March 17, 2020 2:13 pm

    haha! very funny……..

    https://twitter.com/CT_Bergstrom/status/1239972266034622464/photo/1


  126. 130 | March 17, 2020 2:15 pm

    Chick-fil-A delivering free meals to health workers:

    They are also giving free meals to school children.

    Call me when anyone other than that homophobic Christian organization steps up like this.


  127. eaglesoars
    131 | March 17, 2020 2:20 pm

    The Barbarian wrote:

    I thought it was the test WHO

    could be. I may have conflated that.

    Hey, did you see the presser? I missed it. Apparently Trump said this

    TRUMP: Looking at 100% write-offs, tax relief, & other incentives for companies who move their supply chains back to the US from China.

    screw China


  128. eaglesoars
    132 | March 17, 2020 2:26 pm

    Well, this sure as hell killed the Yellow Vests protests in France. Macron is probably thankful for this one.

    https://twitter.com/AmyMek/status/1239853868093034496


  129. coldwarrior
    133 | March 17, 2020 2:53 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    So the embassy in mexico city is closed?

    Why?

    Oh, yeah…to screw over Trump and we deplorables


  130. RIX
    134 | March 17, 2020 3:17 pm

    https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/03/17/am-i-hallucinating-cnns-dana-bash-has-a-legitimately-surprising-take-on-donald-trumps-covid19-response-video/
    @ Twitchy
    Uh oh! Dana Bash praises Trump on CNN. Apparently she did not read the morning memo.


  131. eaglesoars
    135 | March 17, 2020 3:20 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    So the embassy in mexico city is closed?

    Unfortunately, Hubby no longer has contacts at State and everybody in gov’t is working from home. he’s got somebody in Leahy’s office riding this, and latest word is that they may have re-opened or at least started processing this.

    And because it’s also New York that means Schumer. Whatever else you want to say about the guy, there was the time he called in the ICE people and promised to throw them out into the street if they didn’t stop raiding the dairy farms. Right in front of Hubby. A true temper tantrum. Strongly worded letters are for wimps. Chobani yogurt is made there, they need the milk. His office is on this too, so however else it started, I’m pretty sure it will be fixed soon.

    Yelling can be useful.


  132. RIX
    136 | March 17, 2020 3:29 pm

    Thttps://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/03/17/mental-health-break-watch-these-penguins-explore-a-vacant-aquarium-james-woods-agrees/
    @ Twitchy
    Take a break from the Zombie Apocalypse and watch these penguins exploring the empty Shedd Aquarium in Chicago.


  133. 137 | March 17, 2020 3:57 pm

    And another interview on Friday.


  134. coldwarrior
    139 | March 17, 2020 4:18 pm

    @ right_wing2:
    Progress!


  135. eaglesoars
    140 | March 17, 2020 4:19 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Well, China has been rounding up Christians and using them for organ harvesting. I understand the morale boost the beatification would be for Chinese Christians, but I’m betting that in the short term, they’d rather have their livers.


  136. eaglesoars
    141 | March 17, 2020 4:20 pm

    right_wing2 wrote:

    And another interview on Friday.

    You know, once you’re thru this bad spot, you might want to start thinking about ways to self-employ. Or at least bring in some money that way part-time.


  137. coldwarrior
    142 | March 17, 2020 4:36 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    the strip was empty today, all of the food stores were open, everything else closed except for pickup OR…have a drink and your food on an outside table….as take away.

    we got some great smoked meats and some french escargot for later


  138. eaglesoars
    143 | March 17, 2020 4:41 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    french escargot

    yeah, that’s on my NOPE list……


  139. coldwarrior
    144 | March 17, 2020 4:46 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:

    french escargot

    yeah, that’s on my NOPE list……

    perfection in a shell.


  140. coldwarrior
    145 | March 17, 2020 4:48 pm

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/second-quarter-gdp-could-plunge-10-economist-warns-133619896.html

    i’ll bet no. there is a term in econ called pent up demand. he needs to learn it


  141. eaglesoars
    146 | March 17, 2020 4:54 pm

    Is anyone interested in war gaming this? Because I’m at a loss (other than aliens, natch).

    Martian Overload is not a fool and I have other friends who have never touched a tin foil hat. And now they’re beginning to wonder if this isn’t part of a plan to crash the economy.

    I’m not buying it. Pandemics are not predictable or controllable. The loser in this, as far as I can tell, is China, every body’s favorite Bad Actor.

    Who would benefit from this? That’s one place to start, I guess. And why would they use disease to do it? Maybe crashing the economy isn’t the goal, it’s just a secondary effect that acts as a distraction and the actual goal is not obvious/visible.

    And yeah, the aliens…….


  142. eaglesoars
    147 | March 17, 2020 5:03 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    there is a term in econ called pent up demand. he needs to learn it

    I called a dismal 2Q a week ago (cuz I know what I’m talking about). 3Q will see the pent up demand.

    UNLESS there’s a second punch, something unexpected.

    What if Trump dies?

    What if a civil war breaks out in Europe? I don’t mean Turkey/Greece. I mean Germany/Poland

    There are a lot of things nobody is paying attention to. I don’t know what they are – because I’m not paying attention


  143. eaglesoars
    148 | March 17, 2020 5:03 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    perfection in a shell.

    Pearls


  144. rain of lead
    149 | March 17, 2020 5:41 pm

    https://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/george-carlin-told-america-how-not-to-worry-about-coronavirus-20-years-ago/

    this clip is in no way safe for work, family, church, polite company, rather impolite company, and even some sailors who may be easily offended.


  145. eaglesoars
    150 | March 17, 2020 5:56 pm

    Did you know there’s an evening newsletter from the White House? It’s free, sign up here

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/1600dailysignup/


  146. coldwarrior
    151 | March 17, 2020 6:35 pm

    @ rain of lead:
    Carlin. I miss that guy.


  147. Deplorable Martian Overlord
    152 | March 17, 2020 6:41 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Is anyone interested in war gaming this? Because I’m at a loss (other than aliens, natch).

    Martian Overload is not a fool and I have other friends who have never touched a tin foil hat. And now they’re beginning to wonder if this isn’t part of a plan to crash the economy.

    I’m not buying it. Pandemics are not predictable or controllable. The loser in this, as far as I can tell, is China, every body’s favorite Bad Actor.

    Who would benefit from this? That’s one place to start, I guess. And why would they use disease to do it? Maybe crashing the economy isn’t the goal, it’s just a secondary effect that acts as a distraction and the actual goal is not obvious/visible.

    And yeah, the aliens…….

    Funny.

    Yeah, the thing is, it doesn’t have to be predicatable to be used. Never let a crisis go to waste.

    Rumor has it Governor dipshit in my state just canned the advisor that had him shut down the schools. Word is it tanked his chances at his Senatorial run. Now he’s hired a spin doctor to replace the guy and is trying to figure out how to recover the ground he lost from listening to reactionary morons that thought overreacting to early was a brilliant political move.


  148. eaglesoars
    153 | March 17, 2020 6:55 pm

    In September 2018, President Trump unveiled the first National Biodefense Strategy the U.S. has ever adopted.

    The National Strategy lays out five key goals:

    1. Enable risk awareness to inform decision making across the biodefense enterprise (see “spaghetti”). This includes analyses and research to characterize deliberate, accidental, and natural biological risks, and surveillance and detection activities to detect and identify threats and anticipate incidents.

    2. Ensure biodefense enterprise capabilities to prevent bioincidents, including naturally occurring disease and laboratory accidents, consistent with our counter-WMD activities. This includes disrupting plots, degrading technical capabilities, and deterring support for terrorists seeking to use bioweapons. It also acknowledges the importance of dual-use biological research.

    3. Ensure biodefense preparedness in order to reduce the impact of bioincidents. This includes maintaining a vibrant science and technology base, ensuring strong public health infrastructure, developing/updating/exercising response capabilities, establishing risk communications, developing and efficiently distributing/dispensing medical countermeasures, and preparing to collaborate across the country and internationally to support biodefense.

    4. Rapidly respond to limit the impacts of bioincidents through information sharing and networking, coordinated operations and investigations, and effective public messaging.

    5.Facilitate recovery to restore the community, economy, and the environment after a bioincident. This includes actions to restore critical infrastructure services and capability, coordinate recovery activities, provide recovery support and long-term mitigation, and minimize cascading effects here and around the world.

    https://americanmind.org/features/the-coronacrisis-and-our-future-discontents/trump-has-what-he-needs-to-defeat-coronavirus/

    Sept 2018 and no one has ever heard of it


  149. eaglesoars
    154 | March 17, 2020 7:05 pm

    Deplorable Martian Overlord wrote:

    Yeah, the thing is, it doesn’t have to be predicatable to be used. Never let a crisis go to waste.

    Exploitation I get, certainly, it’s been so predictable that I could have written code for it and entered the execute command.

    But I fail to see how any entity could have planned this and executed it, nor to what end.

    I wish Charles McCarry was still alive. He was the best espionage/spy/political imagination around, his books make you SO glad it’s just fiction.

    Until you realize – a lot of it actually wasn’t. If anybody I know of would know, he would have.


  150. rain of lead
    155 | March 17, 2020 7:27 pm

    Just when you thought it was safe to go back into Der Führerbunker

    http://americandigest.org/just-when-you-thought-it-was-safe-to-go-back-into-der-fuhrerbunker/


  151. eaglesoars
    156 | March 17, 2020 7:34 pm

    OH HO HO!!

    But..but..THE RUSSIANS!!

    American climate activists are recruiting their German counterparts to save Bernie Sanders’ candidacy

    Young American climate activists are working to recruit environmental activists from Germany to rally support for Sanders through phone banking in key primary states.

    Members of Germany’s largest climate advocacy group, “Fridays for Future” (FFF), are using WhatsApp chat groups to recruit volunteers for Sanders. The groups are open to anyone and once in, anyone can send messages to the group.

    “In the US, our friends from Sunrise Movement, Youth Climate Strike, and Zero Hour have rallied behind Bernie Sanders,” an FFF coordinator wrote, according to a message obtained by Business Insider.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/german-climate-activists-phone-bank-for-bernie-sanders-2020-3


  152. lobo91
    157 | March 17, 2020 7:39 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    My personal belief is that the virus is something the Chinese were messing around with in their half-assed lab, and it got out. If it was intentional, they wouldn’t have released it on their own people, if for no other reason than efficiency.

    The Dems and their media allies, as well as Soros, are exploiting the crisis for their own purposes, though. It’s their last-ditch attempt to damage Trump.


  153. coldwarrior
    158 | March 17, 2020 7:39 pm

    …one thing that a man needs is a good sense of perspective…

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/must-see-historic-pandemics-in-perspective-coronavirus-is-a-blip-on-the-timeline/


  154. eaglesoars
    159 | March 17, 2020 7:48 pm

    Keep an eye on this. I’ve compressed multiple tweets into one piece. Link is to first tweet.

    https://twitter.com/glennkirschner2/status/1239848289912184832

    Hey All. Can we talk about 1 of the few topics I may actually know too much about: homicide? Specifically, whether Donald Trump may have criminal exposure for some level of negligent homicide or voluntary/involuntary manslaughter for the way he’s mishandled the Coronavirus crisis I spent 22 of my 30 years as a federal prosecutor handling murder cases in Washington, DC. I served as Chief of the Homicide Section at the DC US Attorney’s Office, overseeing all murder prosecutions in the city. I was always on the lookout for novel ways to apply homicide …liability in an attempt to appropriately and ethically hold accountable those who were responsible for taking the life of a fellow human being. I think it’s fair to observe that there’s nothing more devestating to a family then losing a loved one to ether violent crime or to …an illness that could have been prevented or mitigated. I’m trying to assimilate [sic] all available evidence (rapidly developing and being reported every day) to fairly assess whether Trump and his administration may have acted/failed to act in a way that could give rise to …homicide liability. This is not an easy question. Further, whereas the evidence is clear that Trump has committed multiple criminal offenses both before his tenure as president (campaign finance crimes) & during his time as president (obstruction of justice, bribery/extortion)…homicide liability by his negligent/grossly negligent (and/or possibly intentional) mishandling of the Coronavirus crisis in the US is a more nuanced and thorny issue and deserves careful consideration. But the homicide liability issue MUST be addressed because …ALL criminal charges will have to be investigated and, if the evidence dictates it, prosecuted come Jan. 2021. Stay tuned … #TrumpCrimesCommission #TCC #JusticeIsComing

    @NBCNews @MSNBC Legal Analyst; Fmr 30-yr fed prosecutor w/ @USAO_DC, DC Chief of Homicide & @USArmy JAG. President of @HomFamAdvocates

    I don’t think he is who he says he is, but I have no doubt this is going to be a new avenue for impeachment


  155. eaglesoars
    160 | March 17, 2020 7:55 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    If it was intentional, they wouldn’t have released it on their own people

    If it were intentional, their own people would have been their first target population. No other population would have given them a better insight into how it behaves/evolves and how to treat, or easier access.

    I surely hope you aren’t pleading compassion. Wuhan’s population is greater than NYC. Urban, packed together. Perfect test site. Plus, they can spare a few.

    But I agree. I think it was an accident. This has been a debacle for them.


  156. Aussie Infidel
    161 | March 17, 2020 8:03 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Mike Bloomberg deserves to be pummeled until he’s indistinguishable from a pot sticker.

    That nasty little bastard ‘finger sucker’ would say that!

    🙂


  157. Aussie Infidel
    162 | March 17, 2020 8:10 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:

    french escargot

    yeah, that’s on my NOPE list……

    awwww

    Go on Eagles at least try one! I did 🙂

    Too rich and buttery for my taste. Not for this boy!


  158. eaglesoars
    163 | March 17, 2020 8:15 pm

    Aussie Infidel wrote:

    Go on Eagles at least try one!

    snails are good for one thing. I use their snot in my moisturizer. Quite good actually.

    now go away.


  159. Aussie Infidel
    164 | March 17, 2020 8:22 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    HEH!

    Aww don’t be like that!

    🙂


  160. eaglesoars
    165 | March 17, 2020 8:28 pm

    @ Aussie Infidel:

    ok. Here’s a deal.

    I’ll eat escargot if…you’ll eat bat soup


  161. Aussie Infidel
    166 | March 17, 2020 8:30 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    lobo91 wrote:

    If it was intentional, they wouldn’t have released it on their own people

    If it were intentional, their own people would have been their first target population. No other population would have given them a better insight into how it behaves/evolves and how to treat, or easier access.

    I surely hope you aren’t pleading compassion. Wuhan’s population is greater than NYC. Urban, packed together. Perfect test site. Plus, they can spare a few.

    But I agree. I think it was an accident. This has been a debacle for them.

    I think you’re probably correct that these virus got away accidentally .

    Even the bio-warfare Unit 731 of the Japanese Imperial Forces, who killed 1 million Chinese in Nanchang in bio-warfare trials used Chinese as the test subjects and not fellow Japanese.

    Still you never know when it comes to dealing with megalomaniacs

    🙂


  162. Aussie Infidel
    167 | March 17, 2020 8:31 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    @ Aussie Infidel:

    ok. Here’s a deal.

    I’ll eat escargot if…you’ll eat bat soup

    UNCLE.

    You win Eagles!

    Mercy … mercy

    🙂


  163. coldwarrior
    168 | March 17, 2020 8:35 pm

    Aussie Infidel wrote:

    UNCLE.

    You win Eagles!

    Mercy … mercy

    Merci! Oui! Escargot!


  164. eaglesoars
    169 | March 17, 2020 8:37 pm

    Is there anything Trump can’t do?

    House Democrat Leaders Indefinitely Postpone Return to Washington

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/16/house-democratic-leaders-indefinitely-postpone-return-to-washington/


  165. eaglesoars
    170 | March 17, 2020 8:38 pm

    Aussie Infidel wrote:

    You win Eagles!

    always


  166. coldwarrior
    171 | March 17, 2020 8:39 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    another big phony-tough coward JAG asshole.

    these self serving bastards prosecute american service men in combat zones.

    yeah, i’m impressed. not


  167. Brick
    172 | March 17, 2020 8:44 pm

    So, the Philly level of retardation may have risen to meet the Corona Virus Dem-panic, I mean…pandemic.

    https://twitter.com/KeeleyFox29/status/1240031697674080260

    They won’t be arresting folks what they consider non-violent crimes until this blows over, if this is true.


  168. eaglesoars
    173 | March 17, 2020 8:55 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:

    another big phony-tough coward JAG asshole.

    these self serving bastards prosecute american service men in combat zones.

    yeah, i’m impressed. not

    I don’t know if he’ll see it, but I posted it to Schlichter, who was also JAG. If he sees it, I expect a slaughter. Which, of course, I will share.


  169. AZfederalist
    174 | March 17, 2020 9:07 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    eaglesoars wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:

    french escargot

    yeah, that’s on my NOPE list……

    perfection in a shell.

    Have never tried it. I like shellfish and crawfish. I’d give it a try


  170. lobo91
    175 | March 17, 2020 9:15 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    I don’t know if he’ll see it, but I posted it to Schlichter, who was also JAG. If he sees it, I expect a slaughter. Which, of course, I will share.

    Schlichter wasn’t a JAG officer. He was an Infantry officer who retired as a Colonel. After he retired, he went to law school.


  171. Aussie Infidel
    176 | March 17, 2020 9:17 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    Aussie Infidel wrote:

    UNCLE.

    You win Eagles!

    Mercy … mercy

    Merci! Oui! Escargot!

    Cheeky bugger!

    🙂


  172. AZfederalist
    177 | March 17, 2020 9:27 pm

    Brick wrote:

    So, the Philly level of retardation may have risen to meet the Corona Virus Dem-panic, I mean…pandemic.

    https://twitter.com/KeeleyFox29/status/1240031697674080260

    They won’t be arresting folks what they consider non-violent crimes until this blows over, if this is true.

    So they just cemented the fact that they are not there to protect the public. That last one, prostitution, during this time, one would think they would be heavily enforcing the law to prevent potential spread of the disease. The other non-arrest crimes are just placing the public at risk of violence and loss of property, wo I guess that’s no big deal either. Wonder what happens when a person whose been robbed one too many times takes out a perp?


  173. 178 | March 17, 2020 9:31 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    I’d love to start pet sitting. I can also perform weddings.


  174. eaglesoars
    179 | March 17, 2020 9:39 pm

    right_wing2 wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    I’d love to start pet sitting. I can also perform weddings.

    just check to see if there are any state licensing requirements. Or one of those ‘business license’ scams that they make you do – $25/year thing.

    Another thing if you like animals – it’s physically demanding but how about dog walking? People think it’s a no brainer – it isn’t, believe me. One thing you might try to get started is to find a pet sitting/dog walking service that’s already established and see if that might be a fit. They always need help, people come and go.

    Weddings. Are there wedding planners in your area?


  175. eaglesoars
    180 | March 17, 2020 9:40 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    Schlichter wasn’t a JAG officer. He was an Infantry officer who retired as a Colonel. After he retired, he went to law school.

    I haz mis-remembered.


  176. eaglesoars
    181 | March 17, 2020 9:51 pm

    Aussie Infidel wrote:

    Still you never know when it comes to dealing with megalomaniacs

    If you kill 10,000 of somebody else’s people, it’s going to get noticed. Kill 10,000 of your own out of 1.3 billion and even the tax collector doesn’t notice.


  177. eaglesoars
    182 | March 17, 2020 10:02 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Another idea. Pizza delivery. Are there any Domino’s around. They ALWAYS need reliable drivers. My step-son owns 3 franchises and it’s a pain keeping them.

    These could all be ‘fill in’ type things that bring in money. Oh. House cleaning services? See if they need help.


  178. eaglesoars
    183 | March 17, 2020 10:11 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    I don’t think he is who he says he is, but I have no doubt this is going to be a new avenue for impeachment

    I swear zip reads my stuff here and pulls it for his own site. This isn’t the first time

    MSNBC Analyst Suggests Using Coronavirus To Prosecute Trump For ‘Negligent Homicide’ — Gets An Assist From Democratic Candidate

    https://www.weaselzippers.us/445636-msnbc-analyst-suggests-using-coronavirus-to-prosecute-trump-for-negligent-homicide-gets-an-assist-from-democratic-candidate/

    But at least it’s out there.


  179. 184 | March 17, 2020 10:15 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    The stupid. It HURTS!


  180. Brick
    185 | March 17, 2020 10:42 pm

    AZfederalist wrote:

    Wonder what happens when a person whose been robbed one too many times takes out a perp?

    I’d imagine they’d hook you up for that.
    Being, it’s not on the approved list of crimes?


  181. eaglesoars
    186 | March 17, 2020 10:46 pm

    @ right_wing2:

    obviously not enough


  182. eaglesoars
    187 | March 17, 2020 11:41 pm

    Well, FWIW

    China: Avigan effective in tackling coronavirus

    China’s government researchers say they have found the Japanese-developed anti-flu drug Avigan effective in treating patients infected with the new coronavirus and will promote its use.

    Zhang Xinmin, director of the National Center for Biotechnology Development, named the drug at a news conference in Beijing on Tuesday.

    He said the drug was found to be effective in clinical trials by two medical organizations in the country. He said the medicine worked for coronavirus-related symptoms including pneumonia and had no obvious side effects.

    The director said the tests were conducted in the cities of Wuhan and Shenzhen and involved 240 patients and 80 patients respectively.

    He said those who were given the medicine in Shenzhen turned negative for the virus after a median of four days after becoming positive, while it took a median of 11 days for those without the drug.

    The trial also found that X-ray photos confirmed improvements in lung conditions in about 91 percent of the patients who were given the medicine. The number stood at 62 percent for those without the drug.

    https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20200317_48/

    This is Japan – Japanese Broadcasting Corp


  183. lobo91
    188 | March 17, 2020 11:53 pm


  184. eaglesoars
    189 | March 17, 2020 11:54 pm

    fuck. I’m going to bed

    U.S. Suspends Visa Processing in Mexico, Threatening Businesses Reliant on Seasonal Workers

    Disruption comes as farmers typically would be looking for foreign workers ahead of planting seasons

    The State Department said it would stop processing most visas for U.S. entry in its offices across Mexico, including visas for seasonal workers, visitors and people looking to immigrate, in response to the coronavirus pandemic.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-suspends-visa-processing-in-mexico-threatening-businesses-reliant-on-seasonal-workers-11584487462?mod=e2tw


  185. eaglesoars
    190 | March 17, 2020 11:57 pm

    @ lobo91:

    WOW! I’m going to have to watch that again. Several times. I wonder if there are any color cues. Dogs see yellow and blue, other colors not so much.


  186. rain of lead
    191 | March 18, 2020 6:30 am

    morning y’all


  187. Aussie Infidel
    192 | March 18, 2020 6:38 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Aussie Infidel wrote:

    Still you never know when it comes to dealing with megalomaniacs

    If you kill 10,000 of somebody else’s people, it’s going to get noticed. Kill 10,000 of your own out of 1.3 billion and even the tax collector doesn’t notice.

    Very true, especially if human life has no value to these bastards. Even their own people.


  188. Aussie Infidel
    193 | March 18, 2020 6:41 am

    eaglesoars wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    WOW! I’m going to have to watch that again. Several times. I wonder if there are any color cues. Dogs see yellow and blue, other colors not so much.

    Yup Canines can see the Swedish flag and everything else just looks kinda grey!

    🙂


  189. RIX
    195 | March 18, 2020 8:43 am

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgQkh1_cACE&feature=youtu
    This is worth a look. Great attitude.


  190. eaglesoars
    196 | March 18, 2020 8:58 am

    morning all…

    hey, lookee here, what a great guy!

    Bloomie – who spent $500 mil on his campaign – is donating $40 mil to combat Wuhan virus. In Africa.

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/361804/


  191. 197 | March 18, 2020 9:19 am

    I caught part of Dan Bongino’s podcast, and he made an interesting suggestion. Instead of just sending everybody a check for $1000 or more, he suggested setting up very low interest rate loans to help keep business afloat after they’ve been affected by the government ordered shut down.

    Maybe expanding that to include individuals would help people keep their homes, pay their bills, and buy food, but as a loan, the government doesn’t end up adding to an already bloated deficit.


  192. eaglesoars
    198 | March 18, 2020 9:32 am

    U.S. military begins mobilizing medical assistance for civilians, including 5 million respirators

    The Navy also will prepare floating hospital ships for potential deployment.

    https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/health/us-military-lend-medical-assistance-nation-confronts-coronavirus#.XnFfD-_vcf4.twitter

    May I make a suggestion? Go to the store every day and slowly build up your freezer reserves of veggies and fruits. If we’re not going to let the migrant workers in to help with the crops, the planting and harvests are going to be catastrophic.

    Right now, dairy is not as impacted as those workers aren’t seasonal. But butter also freezes, just in case.

    It’s been years since I had a garden, but I’m going to get someone in here to roto till the old ground and put spinach and herbs in. I’m sending Hubby out to the garden center to get big pots to put on the deck – tomatoes.

    And I hate to say this – got a text from some people in the med field who works with FEMA – told me to stock up 3 months worth of meds and dog food.

    *sigh*


  193. 199 | March 18, 2020 9:50 am

    Putting my conspiracy hat back on.

    Is it just a COINCIDENCE that in October of last year, there was an “Event 201” which predicted a coronavirus pandemic and predicted 65 million would die? Participants included Bloomberg, Gates, his Foundation, Rockefeller, CDC, CIA, U.N. and China. One of the elements of this exercise was how such a pandemic could be used to promote globalism.

    Interesting that after the coronavirus outbreak, both the CEO of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation AND Bill Gates stepped down. Whats the matter guys – didn’t realize that China had that scenario all teed up? All you had to do was show them what they needed to do.

    Doesn’t my tin foil hat look cool?


  194. eaglesoars
    200 | March 18, 2020 10:04 am

    The Barbarian wrote:

    Is it just a COINCIDENCE that in October of last year, there was an “Event 201” which predicted a coronavirus pandemic and predicted 65 million would die? Participants included Bloomberg, Gates, his Foundation, Rockefeller, CDC, CIA, U.N. and China. One of the elements of this exercise was how such a pandemic could be used to promote globalism.

    I keep hearing about that event and the items on the agenda, the attendees, etc., but I’ve just seen people refer to it. I’ve seen zero evidence that it even took place.

    And even so – in practical terms, how would you do it? This hasn’t promoted globalism, but the contrary. Borders are now a good thing.

    Color me skeptical.


  195. 201 | March 18, 2020 10:22 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    Here’s a link from Johns Hopkins:

    http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/

    Frank Gaffney was talking about it on Breitbart News Daily this morning. That’s what caught my attention. If in fact the idea of promoting globalism was seen as a benefit of this, hell, yep, they sure got that aspect wrong.

    I just never put anything past China. Taiwan had the jump on all of this because when a case showed up there and China denied it, they didn’t believe them. The only good thing about this virus is that it’s apparently carrying off those monster Methusalahs governing Iran. I hear the Ayatollah Khamieni hasn’t been seen in awhile.

    And can I just say that if I never hear the words “social distancing” again, I’ll die a happy woman. Hell, these idiots that live on their phones shouldn’t even notice a change in status.

    And that federal prosecutor? Geez Lou-eez, what an effing attention whore. He’s just a walking turd.


  196. coldwarrior
    202 | March 18, 2020 10:44 am

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/opinion/coronavirus-sept-11.html

    blame trump has begun. right on time


  197. coldwarrior
  198. 204 | March 18, 2020 11:31 am

    coldwarrior wrote:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/opinion/coronavirus-sept-11.html

    blame trump has begun. right on time

    Whatever credibility these clowns have ever had is somewhere in the bottom of the East River.


  199. eaglesoars
    205 | March 18, 2020 11:44 am

    @ coldwarrior:

    The media is China’s bitch. And when this is over, we will remember.

    The Barbarian wrote:

    I just never put anything past China

    Stipulating that anything’s possible, collapsing the GLOBAL economy is a dumb goal. Everybody loses. Unless it’s a requirement for establishing something else. What might that be? I don’t know. Maybe they just want a more even playing field. I read that they’re hoping, being the first to recover, that they can exploit gaps in the market place and grab market share. That won’t work either, I wouldn’t buy so much as a stick from those thugs if I had a choice.

    The only practical goal I can think of is that somebody decided to actually war game the scenario because they think a threat is more than a hypothetical.

    Where does that get us?

    Aliens.

    It’s always aliens.


  200. eaglesoars
    206 | March 18, 2020 11:57 am

    Bernie is out


  201. eaglesoars
    207 | March 18, 2020 12:02 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Bernie is out

    His comms dir

    absolutely false.

    https://twitter.com/cascamike/status/1240306081601126400


  202. 208 | March 18, 2020 12:10 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Where will the house be THIS time, do you think?

    So….the plan is to give all of us $1,000 a month? That is ridiculous.
    I’m employed. 100% of the people I know are still employed. Instead of that bullsh+t $1,000/month, why not give unemployment to those that are currently out of a job at their salary levels and perhaps a stipend to small business to allow them to open their doors when the media induced panic is all over where they might have had to close permanently.


  203. eaglesoars
    209 | March 18, 2020 12:16 pm

    The Barbarian wrote:

    So….the plan is to give all of us $1,000 a month? That is ridiculous.

    That’s what I thought at first. But it may not be. It may be pure Adam Smith. Perfect, complete knowledge is impossible, so you throw food into the pond and let the random, hidden hand of the market place do its thing. The market will know where the money is most needed. And it’s done is small enough pieces that nothing has a weight that throws everything else out of balance.

    FWIW. Cuz everybody knows I’m an economist.


  204. eaglesoars
    210 | March 18, 2020 12:34 pm

    It comes from CHINA. I want to be accurate. CHINA.

    At one point they tried to say it comes from American soldiers. That can’t happen. That won’t happen as long as I’m president.

    Trump responding to a pissy little reporter on how the virus is not ethnic and why are you racist.


  205. eaglesoars
    211 | March 18, 2020 12:41 pm

    Oh, of course, why not

    5.7 quake in Utah

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/18/us/utah-earthquake/index.html


  206. 212 | March 18, 2020 12:46 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    You know what I cannot figure out. Why the hell the STORES themselves didn’t get ahead of them and only allow 1 of certain items to be purchased.

    I love the fact that both Amazon and Ebay shut down these hoarders trying to price gouge the public on their websites. Two douchebag bothers in Tennessee bought 18,000 bottles of hand sanitizer and tried to extort people on Ebay and Amazon. Tennessee AG told them they were facing charges for doing so. They ended up “donating” it to first responders and churches for distribution.

    The photographs of some of these selfish assholes are not to be believed. But the stores could have put a stop to it. If you have to go back 20 times and stand in line 20 times to get toilet paper at Walmart, you might rethink your get rich quick scheme.


  207. lobo91
    213 | March 18, 2020 2:21 pm

    @ The Barbarian:

    $1,000 a month to every adult in the US isn’t sustainable. That’s something like $200 billion a month, or $2.4 trillion a year.


  208. eaglesoars
    214 | March 18, 2020 2:44 pm

    The Barbarian wrote:

    And that federal prosecutor? Geez Lou-eez, what an effing attention whore. He’s just a walking turd.

    It’s legally iffy to charge a sitting president w/anything, but there’s a way to test his theory.

    Charge Obama for the 1000 H1N1 deaths that occurred before he declared a nat’l emergency.

    Think he’ll go for it?


  209. 215 | March 18, 2020 3:45 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Charge Obama for the 1000 H1N1 deaths that occurred before he declared a nat’l emergency.

    EXACTLY. After all, Prosecutor Asshat….there is NO statute of limitations on murder. And Obama has much greater culpability for the deaths and spread of Swine Flu than Trump does.

    The complete asshattery of the liberals and Democrats in this crisis CANNOT be overestimated.


  210. 216 | March 18, 2020 3:48 pm

    @ The Barbarian:
    I’d go with very low interest rate loans to businesses, and possibly to people impacted by loss of jobs so they can pay their bills, buy food, and pay mortgages.


  211. Deplorable Martian Overlord
    217 | March 18, 2020 3:49 pm

    The tinpot little dictator turd that shutdown all the dining, casinos, and bars in my county has just issued his RULES on what each place has to do in order to reopen. Guess what, it’s a bunch of new red tape regs that no one was allowed to comment or vote on. Watch out people, this bs is just a new way for the left to institue a bunch of new rules without the peoples input. Unelected bureaucrats are having an absolute dream at the moment, this is what they’ve been waiting for. They can now get away with a ton of crap without any oversight. My local school district is also pulling garbage with closed door school board meetings that the public is not allowed to attend due to “safety concerns”.


  212. 218 | March 18, 2020 4:17 pm

    @ Deplorable Martian Overlord:

    But TRUMP’s a dictator, am I right?


  213. 219 | March 18, 2020 4:19 pm

    @ right_wing2:

    Precisely. Give unemployment to those that are NOT collecting a paycheck because of forced closures. And instead of 75% of pay, make it 100%. This makes them whole in the interim. Help the small business/restaurant/bar owners that would otherwise be forced to close.

    I’m sorry, but unless your actual income is being affected by this, I don’t see why you should be receiving any sort of government stipend.


  214. 220 | March 18, 2020 4:21 pm

    @ The Barbarian:
    I suggested this to all three of my federal elected officials.


  215. Deplorable Martian Overlord
    221 | March 18, 2020 4:26 pm

    The Barbarian wrote:

    @ Deplorable Martian Overlord:

    But TRUMP’s a dictator, am I right?

    I’m expecting to see the city council pull this too. Closed door meetings that the public can’t attend due to safety concerns. They’ve done this before, they tried it with a non-discrimination thing recently that would have basically stripped people of their religious and free speech liberties in the city limits. Luckily it leaked to the local conservative press and public attention got too hot, they were forced to open the doors to the public and it got voted down pretty dramatically.


  216. Deplorable Martian Overlord
    222 | March 18, 2020 4:28 pm

    @ Deplorable Martian Overlord:
    Their excuse for the closed door meeting was that hate groups could have caused violence at the meeting. Strange how when it was made open, the violence they predicted didn’t happen.


  217. Possum
    223 | March 18, 2020 5:36 pm

    All this bullshit about closing down things for a couple of weeks is just bullshit. This is going to go on for months.

    I am in a very fortunate position as I am unemployed, live alone and have no social life.

    So, I am an ideal candidate for self isolation. What people do not realise is the way this COVID-19 pandemic is going to end is when we have all had it, or been vaccinated against it. That is a fact.

    And if it mutates like “common influenza ” does then we are never going to get rid of it. Smallpox was easy….

    Anyway, I am making a list of things I need to gather so I can stay locked up in my tiny apartment until it either goes away or it gets me. Talk is in Europe old people need to hide for eight weeks or more.

    This list is of things that have a long or no expiration date that I will need for a comfortable isolation. The list does not include basic food items. They are an individual choosing. This is more a list of things that may catch someone unawares.

    Personal Care
    Toilet paper
    Makeup
    Bar soap
    Shampoo
    Toothpaste
    Dental floss
    Tooth picks
    Girl thingies ( only required if you identify as a woman )
    Razors
    Shaving soap

    Houshold
    Toilet cleaner
    Shower cleaner
    Kitchen cleaner
    Floor cleaner
    Vaccuum bags
    Paper towels
    Dish soap
    Batteries
    Lighters

    Food (that is obvious but overlooked items? )
    Salt
    Pepper
    Herbs
    Spices
    Cooking oil
    Other condiments. Mustard, Horseradish, Hot Sauce, etc
    Propane for grill
    Aluminium foil
    Zip lock bags
    Plastic wrap

    Pets
    Food, canned and dry
    Treats
    Cat litter ( only needed if you have a cat )
    Medication. Worming, Ear Mites, Ticks, Fleas etc

    And I bet I missed quite a few. Comments and critisism welcome.


  218. eaglesoars
    224 | March 18, 2020 6:33 pm

    @ Possum:

    sunscreen

    first aid stuff and whatever pain meds you use, aspirin, etc.


  219. eaglesoars
    225 | March 18, 2020 6:34 pm

    laundry detergent


  220. Possum
    226 | March 18, 2020 6:40 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    Added to text file.


  221. Deplorable Martian Overlord
    227 | March 18, 2020 6:41 pm

    I don’t pretend to understand things like this completely, but I thought this was showing signs of following the patterns of the normal flu. If so, we should be hitting the end of the season when the temps go up and the sun starts staying out longer. Hopefully, by this time next year the vaccine will be ready for prime time, though the way med approval goes I won’t hold my breath.

    I thought the spread and number of cases was beginning to show a pattern of decline. Maybe I heard wrong.


  222. eaglesoars
    228 | March 18, 2020 6:59 pm

    Possum wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    Added to text file.

    Bread? You can freeze it if you’re concerned you won’t use it before it goes bad. and butter if you use that


  223. eaglesoars
    229 | March 18, 2020 7:00 pm

    @ Deplorable Martian Overlord:

    They ASSUME this will follow the normal flu pattern but they don’t know. The # of cases is going to go UP because we’re testing more


  224. 230 | March 18, 2020 7:10 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Twitter is all upset because Solano County (where I live) hasn’t shut down and we have 8 cases of COVID-19

    Uh, they’re on Travis Air Force Base, you morons. They’re the passengers from the effing cruise ship and the repatriated people on that flight that had people who tested postive. I’m sorry we don’t run around like Chicken Little because 8 people are at David Grant Medical Center.


  225. eaglesoars
    231 | March 18, 2020 7:13 pm

    Here’s an article on seasonal workers not being allowed back in

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/economy/border-closures-have-farm-industry-concerned-for-loss-of-seasonal-workers


  226. 232 | March 18, 2020 7:13 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    The question is, why wouldn’t it? Is there something in this strain that makes them think it won’t? From what I’ve heard, most nominally healthy people are experiencing mild to moderate symptoms. To hear the press tell it, it’s amazing people are dropping like flies in the streets.

    I’m willing to bet right now we have more active cases of tuberculosis in California than we have COVID-19, thanks to illegals and the homeless. Hell, how many cases of typhoid did L.A. have last year?


  227. eaglesoars
    233 | March 18, 2020 7:23 pm

    @ The Barbarian:

    what, exactly, do they think should close? You know that ‘neighborhood’ app you can download to your phone? Yeah, somebody decided that LA Fitness staying open was a moral failing and tried to start a mob about it. She got told in no uncertain terms that if she was worried about it, don’t go there.


  228. lobo91
    234 | March 18, 2020 7:48 pm

    Rebecca Lovell makes it look easy.

    Except for people like me, whose musical talent only extends to playing CDs (or MP3s these days)…


  229. lobo91
    235 | March 18, 2020 7:50 pm

    NYC to begin releasing inmates amid coronavirus outbreak

    Brilliant plan…


  230. 236 | March 18, 2020 7:55 pm

    The Barbarian wrote:

    You know what I cannot figure out. Why the hell the STORES themselves didn’t get ahead of them and only allow 1 of certain items to be purchased.

    I work in a grocery store. Yesterday we were limiting purchases to 4 items of the same type(upc code). This morning corporate directive changed it to TWO. 90% of our shelves are threadbare. I am a baker. Our commercial bread section was EMPTY. So I spent my entire shift baking fucking bread. People are terrified. Our supply chains can’t keep up with the demand.
    I live in a “small” town. Me and the wife are suppostioning that are increased demand isn’t local but wider. God help us if this lasts.


  231. eaglesoars
    237 | March 18, 2020 7:56 pm

    Beautiful night time photo of Pittsburgh

    https://twitter.com/DaveDiCello/status/1240423275597094917


  232. lobo91
    238 | March 18, 2020 7:57 pm

    @ PaladinPhil:

    I live in a “small” town. Me and the wife are suppostioning that are increased demand isn’t local but wider. God help us if this lasts.

    I’ve heard anecdotal evidence that people are coming to the stores where I live from Albuquerque.


  233. 239 | March 18, 2020 7:59 pm

    Possum wrote:

    Food (that is obvious but overlooked items? )
    Salt
    Pepper
    Herbs
    Spices
    Cooking oil
    Other condiments. Mustard, Horseradish, Hot Sauce, etc
    Propane for grill
    Aluminium foil
    Zip lock bags
    Plastic wrap

    First on my list last week. Seasonings go a long way to make canned goods palatable.


  234. 240 | March 18, 2020 8:12 pm

    @ lobo91:
    I work in a smallish town (30K+). We’re seeing a lot of non regulars lately. With the price of gas it wouldn’t surprise me that folks from the larger centers are expanding their horizons.


  235. eaglesoars
    241 | March 18, 2020 8:19 pm

    @ Possum:

    Lemon and lime juice if you use those


  236. coldwarrior
    242 | March 18, 2020 8:30 pm

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/gop-wins-3-special-pa-house-races-including-a-hillary-district

    Republicans in Pennsylvania gave President Trump and the national party a shot in the arm Tuesday, delivering three special state House elections to the GOP, including one district won by Hillary Clinton in 2016.

    While all three seats had been held by Republicans, the 18th District seat in Bucks County was expected to turn Democrat and confirm the Democratic swing that gave Clinton a 9-point win in 2016.

    Local media and Democratic Party officials had said that the district should have been an easy pickoff because of the political trend, a Democratic registered voter edge, and the perceived backlash in the Philadelphia suburbs against Trump.

    But, in the end, the GOP appears to have held the seat and by a wide margin, though the results have not been certified.

    Bucks County spokesman Larry King told WHYY that Republican K.C. Tomlinson beat Democrat Harold Hayes 3,826 to 3,343.


  237. Possum
    243 | March 18, 2020 8:34 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    @ Possum:

    Lemon and lime juice if you use those

    Added, concentrate lemon or lime juice makes ordinary tap water drinkable.


  238. Possum
    244 | March 18, 2020 8:36 pm

    @ PaladinPhil:

    Seasonings are essential. But overlooked when panic buying.


  239. 245 | March 18, 2020 8:37 pm

    So, one a personal note. The wife and I had booked a vacation in Cuba for may. Back in the beginning of January. In the next couple of days I will have to talk to the booking agents to officially cancel the trip. FML.


  240. AZfederalist
    246 | March 18, 2020 8:45 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    NYC to begin releasing inmates amid coronavirus outbreak

    Brilliant plan…

    So, the new criminals don’t get held because — no bail required and now they are going to let the experienced but dumb criminals out as well. Who, when they are caught committing their next crimes, will be released because — no bail needed.

    … and most of NYC is unarmed victims. Absolutely brilliant. It’s almost as if the powers that be want to crash the system


  241. Possum
    247 | March 18, 2020 8:49 pm

    PaladinPhil wrote:

    So, one a personal note. The wife and I had booked a vacation in Cuba for may. Back in the beginning of January. In the next couple of days I will have to talk to the booking agents to officially cancel the trip. FML.

    I spent 2 weeks in Cuba in 1996. Best vacation I ever had.

    Now, some people may not like this fact but I deeply regret getting on the aircraft to return home.

    Still do.


  242. eaglesoars
    248 | March 18, 2020 9:06 pm

    Possum wrote:

    but I deeply regret getting on the aircraft to return home.

    you’re not the only person I’ve heard that from

    Add mouthwash to your list


  243. 249 | March 18, 2020 9:14 pm

    @ Possum:
    The wife has been there several times. She gushes about the people. If it wasn’t for the government I would LOVE to live there myself.


  244. Possum
    250 | March 18, 2020 10:03 pm

    Updated list

    Personal Care
    Toilet paper
    Makeup
    Bar soap
    Shampoo
    Toothpaste
    Dental floss
    Tooth picks
    Girl thingies ( only required if you identify as a woman )
    Razors
    Shaving soap
    First aid stuff
    Over the counter medications usually needed, pain etc.
    Sunscreen
    Mouthwash
    Deodorant ( but as we are all supposed to keep six feet away

    from each other deodorant is optional )

    Houshold
    Toilet cleaner
    Shower cleaner
    Kitchen cleaner
    Floor cleaner
    Vaccuum bags
    Paper towels
    Dish soap
    Batteries
    Lighters
    Laundry detergent

    Food (that is obvious but overlooked items? )
    Salt
    Pepper
    Herbs
    Spices
    Cooking oil
    Other condiments. Mustard, Horseradish, Hot Sauce, etc
    Propane for grill
    Aluminium foil
    Zip lock bags
    Plastic wrap
    Spare can opener ( I have been known to break them )
    Lemon/Lime juice to make tap water more drinkable
    Coffee
    Pets
    Food, canned and dry
    Treats
    Cat litter ( only needed if you have a cat )
    Medication. Worming, Ear Mites, Ticks, Fleas etc


  245. Aussie Infidel
    251 | March 18, 2020 10:23 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Oh, of course, why not

    5.7 quake in Utah

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/18/us/utah-earthquake/index.html

    We had a 6.2 off the coast on Tuesday. Nothing special. It always shakes here.

    🙂

    No chance of a Tsunami as the geography of the bottom was all wrong.


  246. eaglesoars
    252 | March 18, 2020 10:27 pm

    Possum wrote:

    Updated list

    postage stamps/envelopes


  247. eaglesoars
    253 | March 18, 2020 10:28 pm

    @ Aussie Infidel:

    I have not heard one report of the Utah quake. Not one.


  248. Deplorable Martian Overlord
    254 | March 18, 2020 10:29 pm

    Okay, the moron county health dept official rules that have been mandated before places are allowed to open are impossible under the way they are written.

    He has mandated that all eateries must have a minimum of 6 feet of social distance between ALL patrons. This would as written include even family tables at these places including the standard tables at mcdonalds and similar dining places. So under dumbasses rules all tables must be a minimum of 6 foot wide and over 12 feet long in order to have 4 people sit at them.

    This is what happens when you allow unelected shitheads to make rules without oversight.

    And no one is questioning this creep or trying to bring down any penalties on him.

    Two restaurants are already stating they will not be reopening after the shutdown.


  249. Aussie Infidel
    255 | March 18, 2020 10:31 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    laundry detergent

    Laundry powder…

    One part Washing Soda
    One part Baking soda

    if you want you can add a little CaCO3 (chalk as an anticlogging agent.
    Plus a dash of nice smelling stuff

    It works as well as the stuff you buy and at 1/4 the cost!

    We’ve made our own for years.


  250. Aussie Infidel
    256 | March 18, 2020 10:32 pm

    We can loan Utah as many quakes as they want.

    We have plenty!

    🙂eaglesoars wrote:

    @ Aussie Infidel:

    I have not heard one report of the Utah quake. Not one.


  251. lobo91
    257 | March 18, 2020 10:37 pm

    Bernie Sanders Erupts at CNN Reporter: ‘I’m Dealing with a F**king Global Crisis’

    Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) on Wednesday burst out in profanity when asked about the future of his flailing presidential campaign, telling CNN congressional correspondent Manu Raju: “I’m dealing with a fucking global crisis.”

    “Right now I’m trying to do my best to make sure that we don’t have an economic meltdown and that people don’t die,” Sanders added, in reference to the Senate’s effort to craft legislation aimed at relieving financial strain caused by the deadly coronavirus. “Is that enough for you to keep me busy for today?”


  252. AZfederalist
    258 | March 18, 2020 10:42 pm

    @ lobo91:

    So Bernie, exactly what recommendations have you made for solutions to the problems? What committees are you leading to resolve this?

    /yeah, thought so


  253. eaglesoars
    259 | March 18, 2020 10:44 pm

    Somebody just posted this on another blog.

    Texts from my 91 year old mother this morning:

    1. Your sister doesn’t need more toilet paper.

    2. I’m eating chicken.

    3. With Amish noodles. It’s delicious.

    4. Your sister has enough toilet paper.

    5. Are you getting this my phone broke.

    6. Biden has Alzheimer’s

    7. He’ll name one of those hens to be VP.

    8. He’ll die and we’ll get a hen for president.

    9. Your sister should stay home she has too

    10. Can you drive me to Walgreen’s?

    11. Why don’t you text back?


  254. Deplorable Martian Overlord
    260 | March 18, 2020 10:46 pm

    AZfederalist wrote:

    @ lobo91:

    So Bernie, exactly what recommendations have you made for solutions to the problems? What committees are you leading to resolve this?

    /yeah, thought so

    Took the words out of my mouth I was about to ask the same thing. Exactly what is he doing except working with his cohorts on the left to exacerbate this situation in the worst ways possible?


  255. Deplorable Martian Overlord
    261 | March 19, 2020 12:08 am

    https://www.mediaite.com/tv/hedge-fund-heavy-bill-ackman-warns-cnbc-that-hell-is-coming-in-stunning-interview-america-will-end-as-we-know-it/

    This shit is helping no one. How does this POS stand to profit from panic? This is the kind of crap I’m talking about. He wants the economy crashed, except I can’t see his purpose, unlike the dem party.


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