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Mahmoud Abbas rejects talks with Israel

by Phantom Ace ( 2 Comments › )
Filed under Headlines, Islamic hypocrisy, Israel, Palestinians at September 24th, 2011 - 7:55 pm

The Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has rejected a blueprint for talks with Israel. He claims Palestinian conditions are not being met. 

Abbas further suggested that he was likey to reject a peacemaking blueprint put forward by international mediators, saying he would not agree to any proposal that disregarded the Palestinian conditions for a resumption of peace talks.

The Palestinian president told reporters accompanying him that he was still studying the proposal by the peacemaking Quartet, but he appeared to tip his hand by saying that “we will not deal with any initiative” that doesn’t demand a halt to Israeli settlement construction or negotiations based on lines Israel held before capturing land the Palestinians claim for their state.

I don’t know how Israel gets tagged as the party that refuses to talk. Clearly the Palis are the problem here.

 

Daniel Greenfield: The End of Palestine

by Eliana ( 137 Comments › )
Filed under Barack Obama, Elections 2012, Fatah, Hamas, Islam, Islamic Supremacism, Israel, Muslim Brotherhood, Palestinians, Republican Party, Terrorism, United Nations at September 19th, 2011 - 5:00 pm

Daniel Greenfield has a wonderful article about the current situation with Mahmoud Abbas and the UN on his Sultan Knish blog.

It’s a long article that recounts the history of the Arab-Israel conflict since 1964 with sparkling clarity. It should be a permanent reference on this blog.

The section that describes where we are right now with this situation is insightful, breathtaking and well worth reading:

It might be 2011, but it might as well be 1996 or 2003 or any year in between. Except that the PLO’s power is about done. The negotiations don’t matter. Abbas will do his best to see that they fail, because it’s the only way he can survive his own people. And he needs to have the blame for the failure fall on Israel, because it’s the only way he can hang on to US and European support. As usual, nothing Israel can do will work, and whatever it does, it will get the blame. The media will go on chattering about settlements, as if that were the endgame here.

Statehood is a fiction that will move more money into the pockets of the Fatah elite, but it’s also a double-edged sword. Fatah’s only defense against a Hamas takeover is that it can extract territory through negotiations– something Hamas cannot do because it refuses to negotiate for anything but temporary truces. A unilateral statehood declaration, if taken seriously, would also mean the end of negotiations. That’s something Abbas can’t afford because then his usefulness to Hamas is at an end.

Abbas needs Israel to keep from being overrun by Hamas, but he needs Hamas to keep his image as the moderate alternative to those crazy guys in Gaza. The balancing act has drawn billions in foreign aid, but infuriated everyone. Now Abbas is playing an even more dangerous game, going for broke to shake down Israel and the world into giving him some breathing room. It’s a desperate move, but it may also work in the short term. In the long term though, the whole shebang is still doomed.

The Palestinian Authority is not a government, it’s a terrorist organization in suits and ties. It has shown that it is not self-supporting and not capable of running anything besides a rocket launcher. It existed only as long as it was useful to someone.

The PLO began life because it was useful to the Syrians and Egyptians. When they no longer wanted it, it was still useful to the USSR. When the USSR no longer wanted it, it became useful to America. But now it’s running out of sponsors.

The United States has been funding the Palestinian Authority since 1992 and it has gotten nothing for it, and while the foreign policy establishment insists on blaming Israel for that, there’s only so long that game can go as well. The Bush Administration dumped Arafat and Abbas knows that sooner or later his turn will come. With no more options, no ability to reach a final status agreement and Western patrons whose foreign aid budgets will start tightening in the face of the bankruptcy, he is playing his only remaining card.

Either way the Palestinian myth is on the verge of flickering out. Hamas may talk about Palestinian rights, but it has even less interest in them than the PLO did. Hamas was spawned by the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood. Its goal is an Islamic state in Egypt and Gaza, and then all of Israel. It has replaced the Pan-Arabism of a Shukairy with a Pan-Islamism, that it meant to lead to a Global Caliphate. The leaders of Hamas are no less corrupt than Arafat’s cronies were, but it will take longer for the average Israeli Arab to figure that out.

The Arab and Muslim world has made very effective use of Israeli Arabs [Arabs within the land of Israel as a whole. – Eli.] as terrorists and bullies. From the Lebanese Civil War, to the streets of Iran, where Palestinian Arab terrorists are being used as snipers and gunmen to suppress protests against Ahmadinejad, they have always been weapons. Ideology has served to frame a mythical Palestinian identity for them in terms that make them all into mercenaries, terrorists and martyrs. Where Israel took in Jewish refugees, the Arab world deliberately perpetuated an Arab refugee problem in order to turn them into weapons. Once they were the weapons of Arab Socialism. Now they are the weapons of Islam.

The End of Palestine

I believe he’s right about this. Mahmoud Abbas had hoped that Obama would deliver Israel to him and he said as much in an interview with Jackson Diehl in May 2009.

Yet on Wednesday afternoon, as he prepared for the White House meeting in a suite at the Ritz-Carlton in Pentagon City, Abbas insisted that his only role was to wait. He will wait for Hamas to capitulate to his demand that any Palestinian unity government recognize Israel and swear off violence. And he will wait for the Obama administration to force a recalcitrant Netanyahu to freeze Israeli settlement construction and publicly accept the two-state formula.

Until Israel meets his demands, the Palestinian president says, he will refuse to begin negotiations. He won’t even agree to help Obama’s envoy, George J. Mitchell, persuade Arab states to take small confidence-building measures. “We can’t talk to the Arabs until Israel agrees to freeze settlements and recognize the two-state solution,” he insisted in an interview. “Until then we can’t talk to anyone.”

At that time (May 2009), Mahmoud Abbas fully expected Obama to run Netanyahu out of office:

Abbas and his team fully expect that Netanyahu will never agree to the full settlement freeze — if he did, his center-right coalition would almost certainly collapse. So they plan to sit back and watch while U.S. pressure slowly squeezes the Israeli prime minister from office. “It will take a couple of years,” one official breezily predicted. Abbas rejects the notion that he should make any comparable concession — such as recognizing Israel as a Jewish state, which would imply renunciation of any large-scale resettlement of refugees.

Instead, he says, he will remain passive. “I will wait for Hamas to accept international commitments. I will wait for Israel to freeze settlements,” he said. “Until then, in the West Bank we have a good reality . . . the people are living a normal life.” In the Obama administration, so far, it’s easy being Palestinian.

Abbas’s Waiting Game on Peace With Israel

Obama backed the wrong side in this fight and he’s going through the humiliation of being told by the Arab world that he wished to court so badly that he will be finished in Saudi Arabia and other places if he gives his veto to “Palestinian” statehood.

If Obama doesn’t give his veto (which will be necessary unless he can talk nine members of the Security Council to help him out in defeating the UN bid so that the veto won’t be necessary) – Obama will be excluded from the Middle East peace process that he campaigned in 2008 that he would address seriously on day one of his presidency.

If Obama is kicked out of the peace process by Abbas in favor of the international community and the ICC, he will be humiliated in an election year while he is facing even worse problems domestically.

Obama created this mess and I think/hope that this truly is the “End of Palestine” and the end of Obama’s presidency by January 2013.

Something else is that Abbas may be listening to Republican presidential candidates who don’t even pretend to think that the “Palestinians” have a valid cause. The candidates say the opposite, in fact.

Abbas may be worrying that Obama won’t win next year and “Palestine” will end that way. So this is his last shot for a number of reasons.

Let’s hope so.

The UN in September 2011

by Eliana ( 63 Comments › )
Filed under Fatah, Hamas, Israel, Open thread, Palestinians at August 31st, 2011 - 11:30 am


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What will the “Palestinians” do?

They’ve gone back and forth a million times among all the players on their side (“Yes, we will declare statehood”, “No, we won’t”, “We haven’t decided”, “Yes, we have”, “No, we haven’t”, “We want to negotiate with Israel”, “No, we don’t”, “Yes, we do”, “Israel is the one who’s really refusing to speak to us”, etc.)

Recently, a legal expert told the “Palestinian Authority” that they would be sacrificing the so-called “right of return” (i.e., flooding Israel with millions of Arabs) if they declare statehood. Hanan Ashrawi came forward and said that this isn’t true.

Today, Jordan is also telling the “Palestinian Authority” not to declare statehood because the so-called “right of return” (flooding the state with millions of Arabs) would be ruined. Jordan has some of these refugees themselves and they don’t want to be stuck with them. The rest of the countries that have “Palestinian” refugees don’t want to be stuck with theirs either.

While all this is going on, of course, Israel is under attack in the (“Palestinian”) hope that they will lose enough people to make a bigger stink at the UN (but not enough of a stink to ruin the so-called “right of return” because they want to flood into Israel in the millions no matter how woefully they cry that Israel is mean to them).

What the “Palestinians” want most of all is the “one state solution” because they believe that they would be moving into the Knesset and forcing Benjamin Netanyahu to scoot over in the Prime Minister chair.

So one of the real possibilities in all this is that they will dissolve the “Palestinian Authority” and hand the keys to Israel. In this way, they would force Israel to take care of millions of Arabs in Judea and Samaria. They believe they would get the “one state solution” that they’ve wanted all along (the one that would become an Arab state as soon as humanly possible).

There’s a new document out from the “Palestinians” that ponders some of these questions and Carl in Jerusalem is pondering their pondering (as many of us are doing now as we look at these strange people who believe that declaring a state means sending ones population into the state next door).

Please take a look at Carl’s post to his take on all this:

‘Palestinians’ threaten ‘one-state solution’

Hat Tip: Carl in Jerusalem



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Hamas and Fatah agree to form a unity Government

by Phantom Ace ( 10 Comments › )
Filed under Gaza, Hamas, Headlines, Islamic hypocrisy, Islamic Invasion, Islamic Supremacism, Islamists, Israel, Muslim Brotherhood, Palestinians, Sharia (Islamic Law) at April 27th, 2011 - 12:30 pm

Feeling confident that Obama has abandoned Israel and with support of Tranzi Progressives, Fatah and Hamas have hammered out their differences. The 2 rival Palestinian factions have agreed to an interim Unity government. The date of elections have been set and all contentious issues resolved. This means only one thing, the PA will unilaterally declare a Palestinian state and provoke a war with Israel.

Parties reach agreement on intern government, set a date for elections; Hamas says all points of contention have been solved, Fatah and Hamas leaders will soon be invited together to Cairo for additional talks.

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas’s Fatah movement and its rival Hamas said on Wednesday they had resolved their deep divisions, opening the way for a unity government and national elections. The deal, which took many officials by surprise, was thrashed out in Egypt and followed a series of secret meetings. The two groups hammered out an agreement, setting the stage for forming an interim government as well as fixing a date for a general election. The accord was first reported by Egypt’s intelligence service, which brokered the talks.

In a statement carried by the Egyptian state news agency MENA, the intelligence service said the deal was hatched by a Hamas delegation led by Moussa Abu Marzouk, deputy head of the group’s politburo, and Fatah Central Committee member Azzam al-Ahmad.

The Palestinians are gambling that Israel will back down to international pressure and allow them to establish a state. This also dispels the notion that Fatah are moderates. They are no different than Hamas. The difference being they are more secular and Hamas is Salafalist.

The US Congress should cut off aid to the PA since, they are now in cahoots with a Islamic terror group. However, with Boehner and his Eunuchs in charge, expect to see nothing happen. Israel will need to crush the Arab colonialist in their lands once and for all.