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My response to those who claim it is a ‘human rights violation’ to protest mosques.

by Delectable ( 195 Comments › )
Filed under Free Speech, Islam at July 23rd, 2010 - 4:30 pm

I wrote the following in response to a terribly misguided post, written by Jeffrey Imm, of the group Responsible for Equality and Liberty (R.E.A.L.). A related post was linked to (and praised) by a certain husky pony-tailed blogger, which should tell you all you need to know about it! To boil it down, Mr. Imm believes that it is a ‘human rights violation’ to protest religious institutions, including those run by the Muslim Brotherhood. So he, in response, affirmatively defends the right of Muslims (including extremist Muslims, such as the Muslim Brotherhood) to worship wherever they want, including at Ground Zero. Below is an email I wrote in response. Please use the content in this email as helpful information whenever these topics come up with friends, colleagues, and/or family.

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To R.E.A.L.,

You are seeking to deny the legitimate moral and constitutional right that I and others have to protesting hate mosques being in our neighborhoods.
 
I have the first amendment right to protest, including protesting religious institutions. The problem is not that SIOA, Westboro Baptist Church, or MAS (the Muslim American Society, an organization that is considered a Muslim Brotherhood front group) protests a synagogue, mosque, or church. “Holy places” are not beyond reproach, and there is just as much a right to protest a church, synagogue, and/or mosque as there is a right to protest a community center. This is simple and basic American constitutional law that you (as a former FBI agent) were sworn to uphold.
 
Certainly, no one has the right to use intimidation tactics to block a mosque that include violence and/or threats of violence. I never said otherwise (and no one of merit would). However, I have every right to lobby a public official, or private individuals, and express displeasure about a new church, mosque, and/or synagogue being built. This is a basic American right that I enjoy as a citizen of this country. Yet you oppose any and all protests against mosques – even peaceful ones using no intimidation tactics.
 
When al-Awda/Code Pink/MAS/Adalah/etc protests outside synagogues and/or Jewish events (as they have done), I never think that the mere act of their protesting outside a house of worship is itself violative of human rights and decency. If in fact Judaism were a human rights violating faith, then perhaps Jews would deserve to be picketed! (but obviously, since the opposite is true, al-Awda/Code Pink/MAS/Adalah/etc are the haters) No, my problem with these organizations is the message found within their protests. In contradistinction, you appear to believe that simply protesting a house of worship is ipso facto evidence of a “human rights violation” (and/or hate speech) taking place. That is not only absurd and offensive, is the sort of reasoning that ultimately advocates on behalf of blasphemy laws.

This is not about whether or not the government is or should banning the building of a new mosque/synagogue/church. No – that is a separate matter altogether (and oddly enough, we may be in agreement on that matter).

The problem in China, Egypt, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, et. al., is not one of protests of churches and/or synagogues. It is that the governments themselves ban churches/synagogues, and/or that the citizens themselves are violent towards certain religious and ethnic groups.

In fact, I believe that the USA needs to expand the definition of “terrorist organization” to include the Muslim Brotherhood and MAS. This would be most accurate, in light of Steve Emerson’s extensive work (as well as the body of evidence uncovered in the Holy Land Foundation trial), and then apply those laws when/if MAS wants to open a new mosque. But until then, I don’t think there is a way of writing a law that could survive constitutional protection that would be narrowly tailored enough to simply block MAS from opening a mosque, simply due to the fact that it is MAS, without then preventing me from building a synagogue. (Don’t believe me? Check out Geert Wilders’s trial in Holland for “hate speech,” to see how hate speech laws can go awry.) If you want to stop a mosque, you can do so legitimately due to zoning concerns and/or the loudness of the Shahada (call to prayer five times a day). However, if the zoning checks out, I believe you are really out of luck if you seek to have the government prevent a mosque from being built.

However, it is ludicrous to claim that somehow when Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer/SIOA protest a mosque, this is leading us down the path of Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, China, etc. No, it is R.E.A.L. that is leading us down the path of China, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, etc, by claiming that SIOA and others should be condemned (and/or prevented) for simply exercising their first amendment right to lobby and protest mosques.

This is about the right of individuals to protest a religious institution, which you impliedly – from all you have written in the past few weeks – believe they do not deserve.

After all, Pamela Gellar, Robert Spencer, and SIOA are not the government. They have no ability to prevent a mosque from being allowed in one place or another. What they are doing is ultimately lobbying to prevent future mosque building – which is their right. If you have a problem with the message they have (i.e., if you disagree that MAS is a bad organization, or that Islam is a bad religion), then feel free to explain why you disagree with them. Otherwise, even Dove Church has the right to say “Islam is of the Devil,” just as Westboro Baptist Church has the right to say “Judaism is of the devil.” And I have that same right to say that Westboro Baptist Church and Dove Church are hateful institutions, due to the messages they convey. It’s called a marketplace of ideas and freedom of speech – something I thought R.E.A.L. stood for.
 
In fact, I thought R.E.A.L. stood for human rights, consistency, and the constitution. However, your abject rejection of freedom of speech shows that R.E.A.L. is not consistent in support for universal human rights.
 
I am disappointed with what you have turned R.E.A.L. into. This is no longer a human rights organization when it does not stand for basic freedom of speech.
Rodan Update: In related news, a massive blow to the Islamic Imperialist Colonization of America has been dealt.
The board of trustees of a Staten Island Catholic Church have rejected the controversial sale of a church building to a Muslim group looking to open a mosque.
 
The collapse of the deal – which would have transferred the vacant convent of St. Margaret Mary Church to the Muslim American Society for $750,000 – came amid a national controversy over efforts to construct a mosque near Ground Zero.
Americans finally have stood up and said no to Islamic Imperialism!

Robert Spencer and Debra Burlingame on Hannity discussing the 9/11 Mosque

by savage ( 127 Comments › )
Filed under Islamic hypocrisy, Islamic Supremacism, Multiculturalism, Religion, Sharia (Islamic Law) at May 24th, 2010 - 11:00 am

Robert Spencer and Debra Burlingame were on the Sean Hannity program on May 20, 2010, discussing the 9/11 Mosque and showing everyone the ties between Feisal Abdul Rauf, the imam who is behind the mosque building idea.

This is an eye opening interview, please watch the entire thing. Comments are always welcome, of course.

This post has the permission and wholehearted support of Robert Spencer. Here is a direct link to the Jihad Watch post about this interview.

They don’t even see the irony

by Kafir ( 83 Comments › )
Filed under CAIR, Dhimmitude, Free Speech, Islamic hypocrisy, Political Correctness, Politics, Sharia (Islamic Law), Terrorism at February 17th, 2010 - 4:30 pm

While CAIR defends the muslim thugs that shouted down the Israeli ambassador Michael Oren at UC Irvine, they turn back flips to take the opposite view against defenders of our American way of life.

CPAC Session on Jihad, Free Speech Attracts Complaints

A panel discussion on the threat posed by “Islamic supremacism,” Shariah and political correctness has been scheduled for this week’s Conservative Political Action Conference, stirring complaints from some American Muslims that the exercise amounts to Muslim-bashing.

Well, yeah. If you tell the truth about islam, it certainly bashes the ummah’s hope of Dar al-Islam in our country. Like how when you explain to people that “islam” doesn’t really mean peace- it means peace through submission to allah.

Say what? Well that’s totally different.

Scheduled to speak are Steve Coughlin, a former Pentagon specialist on Islamic law who was fired two years ago, allegedly under pressure from pro-Muslim officials, and Wafa Sultan, an author and prominent critic of Islam. The discussion is billed as a window into Islam’s “war on free speech,” the “encroachment” of Shariah — or Islamic law — in the West and efforts by the Muslim Brotherhood to infiltrate American society.

Sounds good to me! Of course our old friend, the hoopstah, has a different take on the matter:

“It’s unfortunate that a conservative conference would be in any way associated with Muslim bashers and Islamophobes,” said Ibrahim Hooper, spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations. “It’s a free country. They’re free to be anti-Muslim bigots if they like, but it’s really up to the organizers of CPAC to determine if they’re going to allow their conference to be associated with the hate-filled views of those who will be speaking.”

Got that? Having a discussion on how islam tries to silence it’s opponents draws ire from islamists who then try to silence their opponents. Surprise.

The session appears to be attracting attention on both sides of the issue. While CAIR and a few blogs have blasted CPAC for putting on the event, co-host Pamela Geller said she’s already gotten hundreds of RSVPs.

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Geller, publisher of the AtlasShrugs.com blog, is putting on the talk with Jihad Watch director Robert Spencer. Both are fierce critics of Islam.

Thank you Robert & Pamela!

Read the rest: CPAC Session on Jihad, Free Speech Attracts Complaints

Fisking The Fisker: “Little Bulldogs”

by WrathofG-d ( 437 Comments › )
Filed under Blogmocracy, Blogwars, Guest Post, Islamists, LGF, Religion at October 1st, 2009 - 3:27 pm

BLOGMOCRACY IN ACTION!

Guest Post:  “Delectable”

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Earlier today, Little Green Footballs linked to a piece on Little Bulldogs that claimed to “fisk” Robert Spencer. (Little Green Footballs link: http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/34798_Fisking_Spencer ). [copy & paste to get around the redirect]

The article that Little Bulldogs claimed to “fisk” concerned Robert Spencer’s coverage of a national day of prayer for Muslims on the Capitol lawn in D.C. on September 24th.

Little Bulldogs’ analysis centered on the fact that Robert Spencer called for Muslims to repudiate Jihad if they really wanted to be seen as ‘peaceful.’ Little Bulldogs claimed that Muslims have no need to repudiate Jihad in order to be peaceful – that the participation in a peaceful prayer on the White House lawn was enough ‘proof’ of peacefulness. Little Bulldogs claimed that the prayer at the White House was never an act of ‘politics,’ but was rather an act of proof that Muslims are human beings.

He claimed it was no different than Jews or Christians praying on the Capitol lawn – i.e., a religious and not a political act. He then further compared Islamic law (Sharia) to Jewish law (Halacha), and claimed that some Jews (as Muslims) want to see Halacha spread to the USA, but there is no problem with this desire, as long as the desire is only peaceful.

The problem with this analysis is summed up in a comment on Little Bulldogs

Jews do not call for Halacha to be imposed anywhere but Israel, except specifically in the time of the Messiah. And in Israel, only a small fringe want Halacha imposed on the state. (see: National Union party – 3 MK’s)

In contradistinction, the Messiah or “end of days” is not a requirement for Sharia law to be imposed on the earth.

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Judaism never was an expansionist faith, and there is a prohibition against proselytizing. The same is not true of Islam (or Christianity, but at least Christianity had a reformation and ‘Western’ culture underwent an Enlightenment).

….[i]t was clear the major prayer session was to show Muslims are at least peaceful. One would think a good way of showing such peacefulness would be to denounce Islamic extremism, and make clear that the goal is not to impose Sharia on others.

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The Quran reciter at the D.C. event was Sheikh Ahmed Dewidar.

Sheikh Ahmed Dewidar of the Islamic Center in Mid-Manhattan, has stood next to President Bush at Ground Zero in Manhattan and condemned the 9/11 attacks. But critics have also pointed to statements he made in Arabic, translated into English by the Middle East Media Research Institute, that Zionists control the American media, economy, and government.

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and on MEMRI:

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This is the dude who led the prayer services.

In summary:

(1) It is clear that Sheikh Ahmed Dewidar, who read from the Quran at the prayer session on Capitol Hill, was no moderate. He in fact is an open antisemite who has interviews on Ikwan.com (the Muslim Brotherhood website). As such, Robert Spencer’s concerns about the event on the White House lawn are justified.

(2) In general, this is just but one example of the hazards of post-modernism/progressivism. I have no doubt that Little Bulldogs believes he (or she) means well. But Little Bulldogs is operating under a base assumption of moral relativism. This base assumption is that people are all people, who want to live, work, breathe, and co-exist. And the assumption further goes on that Islam is thus no different than Judaism or Christianity – these religions are all the same and all seek coexistence.

However, what is clear is that again and again, those who claim to represent Islam are not ‘moderates’ by any stretch of the imagination, and absolutely do not seek co-existence and harmony. Maybe it is possible for Islam to reform itself and eventually become a religion characterized by a mainstream that believes in coexistence and tolerance. Maybe it is possible for Islam to eventually embrace modernity. I make no representations about the future and what is ultimately possible. That is beyond my knowledge. But we have to live based upon reality as it exists, and not as we wish it to exist. Sadly, far too many in the world prefer to live in a world they wish existed.

The path to peace and tolerance is through a recognition of painful realities. Once Muslims recognize the non-moderate status of those who are their leaders, they can perhaps start down the road towards modernity and reformation. Post-modernism/progressivism delays this necessary step that Muslims must make.

Let this be a lesson to us all: Post-modernism/progressivism seeks to obscure reality, and thus is an impediment towards peace and harmony.

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