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  • Friday MLB Open and Master’s Weekend 2017

    by coldwarrior ( 173 Comments › )
    Filed under Open thread at April 7th, 2017 - 7:35 am

    It’s The Masters Weekend

    RIP Arnie.

    There wasn’t a dry eye on #1 Tee. And this is a great reason why golf is what it is.

    and….

    PLAY BALL!

    for you baseball fans…

    This is the first year since 1885 that either Connie Mack or Vince Scully aren’t working in some form for Major League Baseball.

    It’s an Open Thread

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    173 Responses to “Friday MLB Open and Master’s Weekend 2017”
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    1. 1 | April 7, 2017 8:15 am

      My beloved Royals are off to a miserable start.

      And I’m off to the Red Cross to donate platelets. Back in a few hours.


    2. lobo91
      2 | April 7, 2017 9:29 am

      Truck reportedly drives into people on Stockholm street, police say several injured (VIDEO)

      A truck has driven into people on a street in central Stockholm, according to witnesses cited by Aftonbladet newspaper. Injuries have been reported, according to police.

      “I saw hundreds of people run, they ran for their lives,” a witness by the name of Anna told the newspaper, adding that she also fled the scene.


    3. 3 | April 7, 2017 9:41 am

      Boy, I’m glad I didn’t download my Masters App yet and watch live. They’d have been wondering why I was tearing up.

      CW – I also loved those “it’s what Arnie would do” ads that ran during his tournament a few weeks ago.


    4. RIX
      4 | April 7, 2017 9:46 am

      I will endure another season as an oppressed minority White Sox fan in a Cubs town.
      This is a human rights violation!


    5. eaglesoars
      5 | April 7, 2017 10:07 am

      @ lobo91:

      check my post downstairs – shooting reported 2nd incident


    6. Deplorable Idapig
      6 | April 7, 2017 10:26 am

      Good Morning and Happy Friday, everybody!


    7. Deplorable Idapig
      7 | April 7, 2017 11:44 am

      This could get interesting. Russian ships steam towards US ships that launched Syrian attack.


    8. Deplorable Idapig
      8 | April 7, 2017 12:52 pm

      Gorsuch confirmed by senate to the supreme court.

      I didn’t read the article because it’s the slimes and probably a hit piece whining about how we stole the seat, but that’s the link I provided for that specific entertainment purpose. I’ll read it later when I need a little pick-me-up!


    9. eaglesoars
      9 | April 7, 2017 12:58 pm

      I can’t make any sense out of this, perhaps someone else can. The Penatagon has released a map as evidence of Addad’s culpability in the Idlib attack


    10. 10 | April 7, 2017 1:00 pm

      @ Deplorable Idapig:
      Meme from the left: Trump wants to start a war to help his evil rich Military Industrial Complex buddies and kill some poor black people at the same time.

      ///


    11. 11 | April 7, 2017 1:17 pm

      @ Deplorable Idapig:

      Twitter is abuzz with leftist ignorance!

      @ right_wing2:

      I’m marveling over the crazy conspiracy theories over why Trump did this. Best one was that he’s conspiring with Putin to create war in the Middle East and that all this is just for show.


    12. Deplorable Idapig
      12 | April 7, 2017 1:27 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      I can’t make any sense out of this, perhaps someone else can. The Penatagon has released a map as evidence of Addad’s culpability in the Idlib attack

      I have no doubt that a Syrian plane dropped a bomb on top of ISIS and hit a munitions facility that had the chemical weapons causing injuries and fatalities. What I am unconvinced about is the military dropped a chemical weapon. The collateral damage would have been 10x’s the damage to human beings than what actually occurred.

      And it doesn’t matter that Mattis is the SecDef. That building is still staffed with 8 years worth of obama people who are in charge of that intel. Sure, they can show a plane dropped a bomb. But they can’t prove that a chemical weapon was used (they can SAY one was used) because that collateral damage is still very low had one been used. If one was used it was a dud.


    13. Deplorable Idapig
      13 | April 7, 2017 1:28 pm

      right_wing2 wrote:

      @ Deplorable Idapig:
      Meme from the left: Trump wants to start a war to help his evil rich Military Industrial Complex buddies and kill some poor black people at the same time.

      ///

      But it was ok when their half-black president (I’m really good a killing people) did it.


    14. Deplorable Idapig
      14 | April 7, 2017 1:30 pm

      Deplorable Barbarian wrote:

      @ Deplorable Idapig:

      Twitter is abuzz with leftist ignorance!

      @ right_wing2:

      I’m marveling over the crazy conspiracy theories over why Trump did this. Best one was that he’s conspiring with Putin to create war in the Middle East and that all this is just for show.

      Create a war? The ME has been slowly killing the entire world for the last 20 years. I would absolutely support a war in the ME to pound those people into fine sand! It would be GREAT if the US and Russia teamed up to make the entire region a pile of rubble!


    15. eaglesoars
      15 | April 7, 2017 1:32 pm

      Deplorable Idapig wrote:

      And it doesn’t matter that Mattis is the SecDef. That building is still staffed with 8 years worth of obama people who are in charge of that intel.

      That may be true, but Mattis has been around a hell of a lot longer than 8 years and did not get where he is by being a sucker for liars and traitors. If he is unable to see thru a fraud, then we can all pack it up and go fishing. At the North Pole


    16. 16 | April 7, 2017 1:44 pm

      @ Deplorable Idapig:

      Well, I did point out we’re dealing with “crazy”

      Rush had a great quip: Tell the liberals the strike was to preserve Obama’s legacy because they LIED to him about getting rid of their chemical weapons.


    17. 17 | April 7, 2017 2:08 pm

      @ Deplorable Barbarian:
      My favorite is that the Russians have something on Trump and he’s using this as a distraction.


    18. 18 | April 7, 2017 2:10 pm

      @ Deplorable Idapig:


    19. eaglesoars
      19 | April 7, 2017 2:12 pm

      Deplorable Barbarian wrote:

      I’m marveling over the crazy conspiracy theories over why Trump did this. Best one was that he’s conspiring with Putin to create war in the Middle East and that all this is just for show.

      there’s something about a Qatari pipeline in there. I have no idea what that’s about.


    20. 20 | April 7, 2017 2:25 pm

      Well done, Madame Ambassador:


    21. lobo91
      21 | April 7, 2017 2:29 pm

      Dynasty? McAuliffe’s wife eyes House race, he the presidency

      Virginia could have a political family dynasty in the making now that Gov. Terry McAuliffe’s wife has sent signals that she would like to run for a northern Virginia House seat.

      Just a month after the governor said “I might” run for the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination, the Washington Post said that Dorothy McAuliffe was eyeing a challenge to two-term Rep. Barbara Comstock.

      Democrats see the seat as winnable, but Comstock has embedded into the district and flicked off two former challengers, winning her last election in November, 52.9 percent to 47.1 percent taken by LuAnn Bennett.

      McAuliffe might consider a challenge to Comstock as an easy one because the Virginia first family have long lived in McLean, Va., though they lived in Richmond for the governor’s four-year term that ends this year.

      Comstock supporters, however, note with a bit of glee that the Republican won the the McLean district in both of her House victories and in her three Virginia House of Delegates wins.

      The governor, meanwhile, recently said he’s considering a presidential bid. He could be formidable, having been the leader of a state that now votes Democratic in presidential elections. He is also a champion fundraiser and would have the support of the Clinton clan.


    22. eaglesoars
      22 | April 7, 2017 2:29 pm

      @ Deplorable Barbarian:

      Did you hear her speech? She was Hellspawn’s Bitch on crack. It was just a short while ago so I don’t know if anything is on the net yet, but she didn’t bring a gun to a knife fight, she brought a flamethrower.

      She took out everybody, Syria, Russia, Iran. And if they don’t come to the table, Trump isn’t finished.


    23. eaglesoars
      23 | April 7, 2017 2:30 pm

      lobo91 wrote:

      He is also a champion fundraiser and would have the support of the Clinton clan.

      that’s not a feature, it’s a bug.


    24. lobo91
      24 | April 7, 2017 2:35 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      She took out everybody, Syria, Russia, Iran. And if they don’t come to the table, Trump isn’t finished.

      I wonder what our inventory of Tomahawks looks like these days?

      I know Obama used them faster than they could be replaced


    25. 25 | April 7, 2017 2:37 pm

      @ eaglesoars:
      So on the right you’ll have those who are against any involvement in world affairs and on the left you’ll have people claiming he’s a warmonger. Trump will never win with the hardcore Trump haters on either side.

      Personally, I don’t know how I feel. I don’t think we need to go to war (or attack) at the drop of a hat, but at the same time, I think there are limits to what we should stand by and watch.


    26. 26 | April 7, 2017 2:37 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      I’m not too proud to admit that I had some doubts about her as UN Ambassador.
      There are times in my life I LOVE being wrong.

      You know, I wonder if those “Boys at the UN” thought they were gonna walk all over this Southern Belle.

      Word to the wise, gentlemen – the words “Go all Scarlett O’Hara on your ass” have meaning.


    27. lobo91
      27 | April 7, 2017 2:38 pm

      @ right_wing2:

      It was Obama who drew the “red line” about chemical weapons in Syria.

      Trump just followed through…


    28. Deplorable Idapig
      28 | April 7, 2017 2:58 pm

      lobo91 wrote:

      @ right_wing2:

      It was Obama who drew the “red line” about chemical weapons in Syria.

      Trump just followed through…

      I still doubt Assad used them. I think what they HIT had them.


    29. 29 | April 7, 2017 2:59 pm

      lobo91 wrote:

      @ right_wing2:

      It was Obama who drew the “red line” about chemical weapons in Syria.

      Trump just followed through…

      Yes, but did he follow through against the right people?


    30. 30 | April 7, 2017 3:01 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      Too good a sum up not to be shared….


    31. Guggi
      31 | April 7, 2017 3:49 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      I can’t make any sense out of this, perhaps someone else can. The Penatagon has released a map as evidence of Addad’s culpability in the Idlib attack

      It has never been disputed by the Syrian government that the Syrian AF striked Khan Sheikhun but as far as I know until now there has been no evidence provided that the Syrian AF had used sarin or chlorin.

      The best “evidence” is one photograph and this is a joke

      (scroll down to “This is the point of Impact of the rocket where the chemical attack happened)


    32. eaglesoars
      32 | April 7, 2017 5:24 pm

      @ Guggi:

      HA! I remember years ago when Hezbollah was bitching about getting its ass kicked and tried the ‘pity the children’ routine with a little stuffed bunny in the street. It was perfectly spotless. At least they remembered to remove the price tag.

      I’m running on a serious lack of sleep, but IIRC Aussie noted that delivering sarin from a war plane is not exactly efficient. I may be misremembering what he said.


    33. eaglesoars
      33 | April 7, 2017 5:25 pm

      Deplorable Barbarian wrote:

      Too good a sum up not to be shared….

      glad you liked it…..


    34. eaglesoars
      34 | April 7, 2017 5:35 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      there’s something about a Qatari pipeline in there. I have no idea what that’s about.

      This apparently

      Is the fight over a gas pipeline fuelling the world’s bloodiest conflict?

      Before the civil war, two competing pipelines put forward by Qatar and Iran aimed to transport gas to Europe through Syria.

      And I guess Russia view that as a threat to Gasprom’s EU market. Or something.


    35. rain of lead
      35 | April 7, 2017 6:09 pm

      so how cool was it that trump calls an air strike IN THE MIDDLE OF DINNER with the Chinese leader


    36. Deplorable Idapig
      36 | April 7, 2017 6:22 pm

      rain of lead wrote:

      so how cool was it that trump calls an air strike IN THE MIDDLE OF DINNER with the Chinese leader

      Very cool!


    37. 37 | April 7, 2017 6:31 pm

      @ Deplorable Idapig:

      Wonder if discussed China’s support for the tin-pot pissant who’s starving his own people?


    38. 38 | April 7, 2017 7:04 pm

      rain of lead wrote:

      so how cool was it that trump calls an air strike IN THE MIDDLE OF DINNER with the Chinese leader

      That is actually pretty fucking ballsy.


    39. coldwarrior
      39 | April 7, 2017 7:04 pm

      rain of lead wrote:

      so how cool was it that trump calls an air strike IN THE MIDDLE OF DINNER with the Chinese leader

      that was straight up mafia right there. i will give him credit for that.


    40. Guggi
      40 | April 7, 2017 7:07 pm

      Last November the NYT headlined that ISIS had used sarin 52 times in Iraq and Syria. The same goes for al Qaeda and al Nusra in Syria. Now out of a sudden we belief everything what the “activists” from al Nusra and the “White Helmets” tell us. Btw.: the “White Helmets” treated the people on the ground without gloves (which is curious because since 2015 they received at least USD 123 Mill on aid) while one doctor at a hospital 50 km away where the people were transported to had nothing better to do than to send out tweets and answering video calls.

      Even a very small 50 kg bomb would have created a crater diameter of 8-12 ft.

      BBC has a photograph in perspective and this is even more hillarious.


    41. 41 | April 7, 2017 7:07 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      rain of lead wrote:

      so how cool was it that trump calls an air strike IN THE MIDDLE OF DINNER with the Chinese leader

      that was straight up mafia right there. i will give him credit for that.

      ROTFLMAO… Yes it was wasn’t it.


    42. RIX
      42 | April 7, 2017 7:18 pm

      Sup Homies? Slow news day huh?


    43. Guggi
      43 | April 7, 2017 7:19 pm

      Guggi wrote:

      while one doctor at a hospital 50 km away where the people were transported to had nothing better to do than to send out tweets and answering video calls.

      Ha!

      UK-trained doctor hailed a hero for treating gas attack victims in Syria stood trial on terror offences ‘and belonged to the group that kidnapped British reporter John Cantlie’


    44. 44 | April 7, 2017 7:39 pm

      Lawrence O’Donnell is now OFFICIALLY bat guano loco en cabeza


    45. lobo91
      45 | April 7, 2017 7:43 pm

      @ Deplorable Barbarian:

      Yeah…that makes perfect sense…


    46. RIX
      46 | April 7, 2017 7:46 pm

      Deplorable Barbarian wrote:

      Lawrence O’Donnell is now OFFICIALLY bat guano loco en cabeza

      Tonight @TheLastWord let’s see if anyone can convince me that Putin didn’t plan all of this to help his fan in the White House. 10pm

      — Lawrence O’Donnell (@Lawrence) April 7, 2017

      Yeah he erased all doubt, but I never had any.


    47. rain of lead
      47 | April 7, 2017 7:57 pm

      heh
      https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/07/world/asia/trump-china-xi.html

      “Xi can’t fail to be impressed by Trump’s resolve,” said Alan Dupont, an Australian military analyst who worked for that country’s Defense Department. “Xi will have to reassess what the Trump presidency means for Chinese interests in East Asia, particularly North Korea and the South China Sea.”

      ya think?


    48. coldwarrior
      48 | April 7, 2017 8:11 pm

      RIX wrote:

      Sup Homies? Slow news day huh?

      yeah, ya mighta missed the potus as ‘godfather’ move last night.

      😆


    49. RIX
      49 | April 7, 2017 8:16 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      RIX wrote:

      Sup Homies? Slow news day huh?

      yeah, ya mighta missed the potus as ‘godfather’ move last night.

      What do you think was going though the Chinese leaders mind? I am guessing ” Hory shit!”


    50. RIX
      50 | April 7, 2017 8:20 pm

      Just a thought, how pissed off and foo stompy do you think Obama is with the week that Trump had?
      Obama is looking smaller and smaller.


    51. coldwarrior
      51 | April 7, 2017 8:25 pm

      RIX wrote:

      ” Hory shit!”

      dubbed Hory Shit!


    52. RIX
      52 | April 7, 2017 8:34 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      RIX wrote:

      ” Hory shit!”

      dubbed Hory Shit!

      Reery.


    53. 53 | April 7, 2017 8:39 pm

      @ RIX:
      Laaaaaaacist!


    54. Aussie Infidel
      54 | April 7, 2017 8:40 pm

      Deplorable Idapig wrote:

      This could get interesting. Russian ships steam towards US ships that launched Syrian attack.

      Shipsd?

      That would be ONE ship.

      A pissy little 3600 tonne Frigate with a magazine of just 8 Klub 3M-55 cruise missiles. The same ship fired 3 missiles back in November from the Black sea. Obviously Putin has sent this ship as a token, otherwise he’d have left it in the Black Sea. Still in range but mixed up with a hell of a lot more water in which to hide. As it is currently passing through the Straits it means that it was on its way already to take station off Syria when this ‘punch-up’ happened. It has a brace of 8 Klub cruise missile vertical launchers on its foredeck and a 100mm pop gun.

      There are only two of these frigates in the Russian navy as their engines were manufactured by the Ukrainians so not only are there no more engines available but no spares either.A third ship was supposed to do sea trials last year but it’s still bobbing up and down on its moorings in Crimea without engines. India has three examples of the export version of this type but they too have Ukrainian power plants and no spares.

      I love the way that the Western media blows everything up into a major sensation . ONE single frigate suddenly becomes SHIPS. Lying pack of overhyped bastards. This is verging on more False News.

      I can guarantee that there will be a USN hunter-killer sub cruising along in the wake of this lonely Russian frigate gagging to send it to the bottom of the Med if it even looks like launching its Klubs.

      This like most else in the media is a non-story hyped to the max to sell advertising and as Click bait, nothing more.


    55. eaglesoars
      55 | April 7, 2017 8:40 pm

      Guggi wrote:

      Even a very small 50 kg bomb would have created a crater diameter of 8-12 ft.

      BBC has a photograph in perspective and this is even more hillarious.

      That could be the result of debris striking a runway and the reason we didn’t bother with the runways is that they are hardened. No return on investment there as there was no intent to impair their flying ability.

      The ‘no gloves’ thing is interesting and this is not the first time I’ve heard it today. BUT -they’ve been in a war zone for awhile, it is not beyond reason that supplies are short. If the idea is that people poisoned with sarin are themselves toxic to the touch, do we know from the pics what stage of treatment these people were in? They may have already been washed down.

      I’m not making an argument for anything, I’m just playing devil’s advocate.

      Because I trust nothing.


    56. eaglesoars
      56 | April 7, 2017 8:43 pm

      @ Aussie Infidel:

      oh, there you are! Aussie, refresh my memory please from a discussion from the other day/night. Were you pointing out that deploying a chem like sarin from war planes is an ineffective method of dispersing the gas or am I mis-remembering?


    57. RIX
    58. 58 | April 7, 2017 9:02 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      @ Aussie Infidel:

      oh, there you are! Aussie, refresh my memory please from a discussion from the other day/night. Were you pointing out that deploying a chem like sarin from war planes is an ineffective method of dispersing the gas or am I mis-remembering?

      Therein lye’s the rub my dear. There are NO effective ways to use chemical weapons. The ban on them is really more symbolic than anything else. Well, other than in the sense that it exists to prevent imbeciles looking for a short cut or super weapon from trying to use them.

      Chemical weapons have basically three types of deployment.

      1. Bad
      2. Really bad
      3. You stupid mother fucker you just killed all of our own people.

      They are so at the mercy of, well, nature itself.


    59. Deplorable Idapig
      59 | April 7, 2017 9:05 pm

      Deplorable Barbarian wrote:

      @ Deplorable Idapig:

      Wonder if discussed China’s support for the tin-pot pissant who’s starving his own people?

      Probably not. But if it happened DURING dinner, he probably said something like, “Excuse me while I deal with someone who broke their word to me. Hello Maddog? Bombs away! Now what were you saying about our trade agreement?”


    60. Deplorable Idapig
      60 | April 7, 2017 9:10 pm

      Guggi wrote:

      Last November the NYT headlined that ISIS had used sarin 52 times in Iraq and Syria. The same goes for al Qaeda and al Nusra in Syria. Now out of a sudden we belief everything what the “activists” from al Nusra and the “White Helmets” tell us. Btw.: the “White Helmets” treated the people on the ground without gloves (which is curious because since 2015 they received at least USD 123 Mill on aid) while one doctor at a hospital 50 km away where the people were transported to had nothing better to do than to send out tweets and answering video calls.

      Even a very small 50 kg bomb would have created a crater diameter of 8-12 ft.

      BBC has a photograph in perspective and this is even more hillarious.

      So probably no chemical attack at all – even incidentally.


    61. Deplorable Idapig
      61 | April 7, 2017 9:13 pm

      Deplorable Barbarian wrote:

      Lawrence O’Donnell is now OFFICIALLY bat guano loco en cabeza

      I’m beginning to think the whole thing might have been kabuki theater for the Chinese dinner guest!


    62. coldwarrior
      62 | April 7, 2017 9:14 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      sarin has a shelf life of 5 years

      it certainly can be dispersed from aerial bombardment or by artillery, ya just dont use HE rounds to disperse it.


    63. Deplorable Idapig
      63 | April 7, 2017 9:17 pm

      @ Aussie Infidel:
      Yeah, this morning the headlines all over the place made it sound like armageddon was about ignite the world on fire. Which I found amusing since 5 minutes before that Trump was Putin’s sock-puppet!


    64. coldwarrior
      64 | April 7, 2017 9:20 pm

      heathen godless bastards.

      (Via CNN) […] The Swedish Security Service said the attack happened just before 3 p.m. local time. People were seen fleeing the area in panic.

      A beer truck was hijacked as it made a delivery nearby, according to the company that owned it. Eyewitnesses reported it being driven at speed along Drottninggatan (Queen Street) before it crashed into the front of a department store.


    65. coldwarrior
      65 | April 7, 2017 9:22 pm

      Deplorable Idapig wrote:

      I’m beginning to think the whole thing might have been kabuki theater for the Chinese dinner guest!

      highly unlikely as that would fall under the coldwarrior conspiracy rule:

      a consipiracy’s chance of success is directly and negatively correlated logarithmically to the number of people needed to cover it up.


    66. Deplorable Idapig
      66 | April 7, 2017 9:23 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      heathen godless bastards.

      (Via CNN) […] The Swedish Security Service said the attack happened just before 3 p.m. local time. People were seen fleeing the area in panic.

      A beer truck was hijacked as it made a delivery nearby, according to the company that owned it. Eyewitnesses reported it being driven at speed along Drottninggatan (Queen Street) before it crashed into the front of a department store.

      Unless they start killing these people it’s only going to get worse. I’d hate to live in a country where you can be picked off at any moment!


    67. Aussie Infidel
      67 | April 7, 2017 9:23 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      @ Aussie Infidel:

      oh, there you are! Aussie, refresh my memory please from a discussion from the other day/night. Were you pointing out that deploying a chem like sarin from war planes is an ineffective method of dispersing the gas or am I mis-remembering?

      You’re mis remembering. I suggested that there were three scenarios.
      #1. Assad bomber using Sarin bombs. That’s totally illogical as Assad is currently winning the information war, or was winning until this happened. This scenario just does’t ring true at all.

      #2. Assad used his SU-22 and SU-24s to bomb a rebel / ISIS/ al Nussra ammunition warehouse where not only looted ammunition was stored but also gas munitions looted from the main airfield near Damascus over a year ago and shipped away to places unknown. This sounds like a reasonable explanation (Occem’s Razor) given the current fog of war. And secondaries that have been reported spread some of the stored Sarin locally.

      #3. This was a pure False Flag operation from the get go hosted by the Deep State Intel guys to seize the initiative away from Assad.

      Given what I’ve seen I am sticking with Scenario #2 for the moment.

      🙂


    68. Aussie Infidel
      68 | April 7, 2017 9:25 pm

      @ doriangrey:
      Chemical and bio-weapons have only one function…. To Terrorise.

      Nothing more


    69. eaglesoars
      69 | April 7, 2017 9:26 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      it certainly can be dispersed from aerial bombardment or by artillery, ya just dont use HE rounds to disperse it.

      are you saying it can be dispersed by spraying but not detonation?


    70. coldwarrior
      70 | April 7, 2017 9:29 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      we were schooled on this stuff endlessly in berlin as the soviets were damned sure to use it on us as they bypassed the city and moved west toward the fulda gap if ww3 ever broke out.

      it can be mixed in flight

      it can be dispersed in bombs and shells as long as they arent HE

      it can be sprayed

      it breaks down rapidly with water and even faster with high pH liquids

      it is highly unstable after it is mixed and degrades rapidly, hence the reasons the soviets would use it, it is non persistent.


    71. Aussie Infidel
      71 | April 7, 2017 9:30 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      Deplorable Idapig wrote:

      I’m beginning to think the whole thing might have been kabuki theater for the Chinese dinner guest!

      highly unlikely as that would fall under the coldwarrior conspiracy rule:

      a consipiracy’s chance of success is directly and negatively correlated logarithmically to the number of people needed to cover it up.

      If it was Kabuki then a Military ‘demonstration’ is a great way of impressing your dinner guest. It says .. ‘Don’t fuck with me mate, as I am not a limp waste of space like the last denizen in the WH. Now get your shit together and fix the bloody problem with North Korea that you’ve been stuffing about with for a decade, or I’ll fix it for you, permanently.

      🙂

      This had little to do with the ME situation


    72. 72 | April 7, 2017 9:30 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      A beer truck was hijacked

      OK… Nuke the entire fucking Middle East… This shit cannot be allowed to stand…


    73. coldwarrior
      73 | April 7, 2017 9:31 pm

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      Given what I’ve seen I am sticking with Scenario #2 for the moment.

      2 sounds great, that means that the russians did not hold up there end of the bargain from 2013.

      message sent to many world players yesterday by trump.

      i dont like it and am waiting to form an oppinion on this until i know what happened and why.


    74. RIX
      74 | April 7, 2017 9:34 pm

      @ Aussie Infidel:
      Scenario 2 was actually reported as a possibility right after the incident. I do not heat that anymore but it is plausible.
      The false flag scenario seems far fetched, My guess is that Assad did drop the sarin, or that the bombing triggered
      stored gas.


    75. coldwarrior
      75 | April 7, 2017 9:36 pm

      @ Aussie Infidel:

      i can go with that


    76. coldwarrior
      76 | April 7, 2017 9:36 pm

      doriangrey wrote:

      coldwarrior wrote:

      A beer truck was hijacked

      OK… Nuke the entire fucking Middle East… This shit cannot be allowed to stand…

      silo doors are opening, launch is eminent


    77. Aussie Infidel
      77 | April 7, 2017 9:38 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      @ eaglesoars:

      sarin has a shelf life of 5 years

      it certainly can be dispersed from aerial bombardment or by artillery, ya just dont use HE rounds to disperse it.

      That would be US Manufactured sarin from a very long time ago. The British developed VX family of war gases is MUCH more operationally effective than 1937 vintage German developed G family of gasses including Sarin.

      Bathtub Sarin lasts from 2 weeks to a couple of months tops. Even moisture begins to break it down as it is neutralised by copious application of water.

      By the way one of the photos of ‘doctors’ treating children came from a shot taken during a cyclone off Indonesia last year.

      Lying bastards! Even when there is a real gas release these cockroaches can’t resist using any propaganda photo that’s lying around to push their current meme.


    78. 78 | April 7, 2017 9:40 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      doriangrey wrote:

      coldwarrior wrote:

      A beer truck was hijacked

      OK… Nuke the entire fucking Middle East… This shit cannot be allowed to stand…

      silo doors are opening, launch is eminent

      Tell the Russian’s that the Jihadist hijacked a truck load of Vodka, we can nuke the M.E together.


    79. RIX
      79 | April 7, 2017 9:42 pm

      Time to take my hound out. Good night everybody.


    80. Deplorable Idapig
      80 | April 7, 2017 9:43 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      Deplorable Idapig wrote:

      I’m beginning to think the whole thing might have been kabuki theater for the Chinese dinner guest!

      highly unlikely as that would fall under the coldwarrior conspiracy rule:

      a consipiracy’s chance of success is directly and negatively correlated logarithmically to the number of people needed to cover it up.

      Oh, I’m not saying it didn’t happen – just not the way they’ve been reporting it to us.


    81. Aussie Infidel
      81 | April 7, 2017 9:44 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      Given what I’ve seen I am sticking with Scenario #2 for the moment.

      2 sounds great, that means that the russians did not hold up there end of the bargain from 2013.

      message sent to many world players yesterday by trump.

      i dont like it and am waiting to form an oppinion on this until i know what happened and why.

      Of course nobody kept their word in 2013. They were Arabs. You can tell when they are lying because their lips were moving. It’s been an open ‘secret’ that the terms of the 2013 agreement were never met and only a small token disposal took place for the press and to give cover to those complicit arseholes in the West. There have been many releases by ISIS as they, al Nusra and Al Qaeda all have captured gas, as does Assad’s boys.


    82. eaglesoars
      82 | April 7, 2017 9:45 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      it can be dispersed in bombs and shells as long as they arent HE

      I know why I’m confused. What does ‘HE’ mean?


    83. Deplorable Idapig
      83 | April 7, 2017 9:47 pm

      @ Aussie Infidel:
      I think she was referring to the conversation you and Dorian were having regarding the delivery of chemical weapons. Dorian had suggested that industrial fertilizer sarin could be dispersed by strapping some C4 to it and you disagreed, but I also can’t remember exactly what you said had to happen for maximum dispersal.


    84. Aussie Infidel
      84 | April 7, 2017 9:48 pm

      RIX wrote:

      @ Aussie Infidel:
      Scenario 2 was actually reported as a possibility right after the incident. I do not heat that anymore but it is plausible.
      The false flag scenario seems far fetched, My guess is that Assad did drop the sarin, or that the bombing triggered
      stored gas.

      The report of secondary that were reported immediately after the strike and then they disappeared from the news cycle.

      I tend to believe stuff that there hasn’t been time to ‘massage’ into a meme. The way that secondary explosions were reported early on and then vanished makes me VERY suspicious.


    85. AZfederalist
      85 | April 7, 2017 9:50 pm

      @ coldwarrior:

      The crater shown was not made by any HE round. That crater is not consistent with any air-dropped ordinance from a tactical altitude at tactical aircraft speeds, even an inert bomb of any size would make a hole larger than a pothole. The kinetic energy in the airframe would be sufficient for a larger crater and there would be more debris from the weapon dropped. https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/9975/production/_95458293_d4234a7b-5817-489f-9e09-e986d4cea8e1.jpg really looks more like a bomb planted on the ground was set off.


    86. Deplorable Idapig
      86 | April 7, 2017 9:50 pm

      doriangrey wrote:

      coldwarrior wrote:

      doriangrey wrote:

      coldwarrior wrote:

      A beer truck was hijacked

      OK… Nuke the entire fucking Middle East… This shit cannot be allowed to stand…

      silo doors are opening, launch is eminent

      Tell the Russian’s that the Jihadist hijacked a truck load of Vodka, we can nuke the M.E together.

      That would work!


    87. Aussie Infidel
      87 | April 7, 2017 9:51 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      coldwarrior wrote:

      it can be dispersed in bombs and shells as long as they arent HE

      I know why I’m confused. What does ‘HE’ mean?

      HE = High Explosive (i.e. explosive energy over 20,000 feet per second)


    88. Deplorable Idapig
      88 | April 7, 2017 9:52 pm

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      RIX wrote:

      @ Aussie Infidel:
      Scenario 2 was actually reported as a possibility right after the incident. I do not heat that anymore but it is plausible.
      The false flag scenario seems far fetched, My guess is that Assad did drop the sarin, or that the bombing triggered
      stored gas.

      The report of secondary that were reported immediately after the strike and then they disappeared from the news cycle.

      I tend to believe stuff that there hasn’t been time to ‘massage’ into a meme. The way that secondary explosions were reported early on and then vanished makes me VERY suspicious.

      Meaning a munitions facility WAS the target and said target was hit!


    89. Deplorable Idapig
      89 | April 7, 2017 9:53 pm

      RIX wrote:

      Time to take my hound out. Good night everybody.

      G’nite Rix!


    90. coldwarrior
      90 | April 7, 2017 9:54 pm

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      Of course nobody kept their word in 2013. They were Arabs. You can tell when they are lying because their lips were moving. It’s been an open ‘secret’ that the terms of the 2013 agreement were never met and only a small token disposal took place for the press and to give cover to those complicit arseholes in the West. There have been many releases by ISIS as they, al Nusra and Al Qaeda all have captured gas, as does Assad’s boys.

      neither did putin…so he got a ‘message’ last night, that message was really for the rest of the world tho.


    91. AZfederalist
      91 | April 7, 2017 9:55 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      I know why I’m confused. What does ‘HE’ mean?

      “High Energy” — High explosives, lots of heat is generated, would completely destroy the chemicals. That’s one of the ideas of attacking chemical facilities — they want to use high energy weapons to destroy the chemicals rather than disperse them.


    92. coldwarrior
      92 | April 7, 2017 9:57 pm

      @ AZfederalist:

      did we use submunitions (aka bomblets) ?

      that isnt a tomahawk crater for sure, it is consistent with a submunition crater, small mortar, or land mine.

      hard to tell in the context of that picture.


    93. Aussie Infidel
      93 | April 7, 2017 9:57 pm

      Deplorable Idapig wrote:

      @ Aussie Infidel:
      I think she was referring to the conversation you and Dorian were having regarding the delivery of chemical weapons. Dorian had suggested that industrial fertilizer sarin could be dispersed by strapping some C4 to it and you disagreed, but I also can’t remember exactly what you said had to happen for maximum dispersal.

      No not fertiliser Dorian was talking about pesticides, that are a weak version of sarin family of G gasses developed in the late 1930s by Germany.

      Low Explosives by the way are typically ‘low‘ velocity explosives like AMFO that are ‘lifting charges and not breaking charges. AMFO (Ammonium Nitrate (fertiliser) and Diesel mix) is used in mining and such industries to lift and crack earth and rock to break them up so they can be trucked away. HE (high Explosives like C4, Torpex, TNT etc. and the like are ‘fast’ explosives that shatter and break stuff apart.


    94. eaglesoars
      94 | April 7, 2017 9:58 pm

      Look at the first photo is this article. Supposedly of dead children killed by gas. I think it looks staged, they don’t look dead to me. Thoughts?


    95. eaglesoars
      95 | April 7, 2017 9:59 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Look at the first photo is this article. Supposedly of dead children killed by gas. I think it looks staged, they don’t look dead to me. Thoughts?

      this article. sheesh


    96. Aussie Infidel
      96 | April 7, 2017 10:00 pm

      Deplorable Idapig wrote:

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      RIX wrote:

      @ Aussie Infidel:

      Meaning a munitions facility WAS the target and said target was hit!

      No idea whether the ammunition dump was a target or not. Sounds to me that it was hit either on purpose or accidentally. The Su22s tend to use mostly ‘dumb’ iron bombs especially if the targets are ‘area targets’.


    97. eaglesoars
      97 | April 7, 2017 10:00 pm

      @ AZfederalist:
      @ Aussie Infidel:

      thank you, got it.


    98. AZfederalist
      98 | April 7, 2017 10:03 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      did we use submunitions (aka bomblets) ?

      that isnt a tomahawk crater for sure, it is consistent with a submunition crater, small mortar, or land mine.

      hard to tell in the context of that picture.

      That could be consistent with a submunition, but I thought that was supposed to be a photo from the Syrian bomb attack.

      I’m not sure that we are using submunitions anymore; I thought those were being taken out of service because of the collateral damage caused by duds.


    99. coldwarrior
      99 | April 7, 2017 10:04 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      lips are the right color, so are the fingers. rigor mortis starts about 30 minutes after death, their positions are consistent with the inhibition of cholinesterase.


    100. coldwarrior
      100 | April 7, 2017 10:05 pm

      @ AZfederalist:

      hard to say….is it even a real photo?


    101. AZfederalist
      101 | April 7, 2017 10:06 pm

      @ eaglesoars:
      eaglesoars wrote:

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Look at the first photo is this article. Supposedly of dead children killed by gas. I think it looks staged, they don’t look dead to me. Thoughts?

      this article. sheesh

      Not sure about that picture, but WZ had a video last nigh in which one of the dead “victims”, a young woman, opened her eyes after the camera had panned over her and then accidentally panned back.


    102. Aussie Infidel
      102 | April 7, 2017 10:08 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      @ AZfederalist:

      did we use submunitions (aka bomblets) ?

      that isnt a tomahawk crater for sure, it is consistent with a submunition crater, small mortar, or land mine.

      hard to tell in the context of that picture.

      Yup the Tomahawk can use either a single 450 Kg HE warhead or it has a submunition variant as well. The size of the cratering certainly looks as if was a sub munition and NOT a 450 Kg warhead. Often when launching a swarm there is a mix of single HE and submunitions cruise missiles launched. The damage to the reinforced concrete aircraft shelters were definitely made by 450Kg of HE with malicious intent
      🙂

      Note how few aircraft wrecks were left inside the shelters. Sounds as if the Russians told the Syrians to scramble as many airplanes that could fly and got most of them away before the Tomahawks arrived.

      Kabuki writ large.


    103. eaglesoars
      103 | April 7, 2017 10:09 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      @ eaglesoars:

      lips are the right color, so are the fingers. rigor mortis starts about 30 minutes after death, their positions are consistent with the inhibition of cholinesterase.

      ok, thanks

      AZfederalist wrote:

      Not sure about that picture, but WZ had a video last nigh in which one of the dead “victims”, a young woman, opened her eyes after the camera had panned over her and then accidentally panned back.

      I missed that I’ll have to go back and look. but not now I’m going to bed. nite


    104. eaglesoars
      104 | April 7, 2017 10:11 pm

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      Sounds as if the Russians told the Syrians to scramble as many airplanes that could fly and got most of them away before the Tomahawks arrived.

      somewhere today I heard that we delivered something called a ‘confliction notice’ to the base, giving them an hour or so to hightail it.


    105. 105 | April 7, 2017 10:12 pm

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      Dorian was talking about pesticides, that are a weak version of sarin family of G gasses developed in the late 1930s by Germany.

      And just blowing up the pesticides themselves wouldn’t work either, you would have to add something to the pesticides otherwise the binders and stabilizers in the pesticides would cause the pesticides to catch on fire rendering organophosphates basically harmless.

      This isn’t something that your average cave dwelling Jihadist could pull off, but its not something that requires more than a year or two of inorganic chemistry to do.


    106. Aussie Infidel
      106 | April 7, 2017 10:13 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      @ AZfederalist:

      hard to say….is it even a real photo?

      One of the ‘children being worked on by a ‘doctor’ has been positively identified as a ‘stock shot’ from an Indonesian cyclone about a year ago.

      Propaganda standards are slipping 🙂 and the folks who use them don’t even care anymore whether they are found out..


    107. Aussie Infidel
      107 | April 7, 2017 10:17 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      Sounds as if the Russians told the Syrians to scramble as many airplanes that could fly and got most of them away before the Tomahawks arrived.

      somewhere today I heard that we delivered something called a ‘confliction notice’ to the base, giving them an hour or so to hightail it.

      You heard right Eagles. The de-conflictation notice was issued by the US to the Russians about 120 minutes before the arrival of the first tomahawk. This was to warn out the Russians not to shoot down any US CDA(combat damage assessment) missions with the S-400s that are more than capable of downing US fast jets.


    108. Aussie Infidel
      108 | April 7, 2017 10:19 pm

      @ doriangrey:
      Correct.

      I’m still holding to Scenario #2 until I get more information to the contrary

      🙂


    109. Aussie Infidel
      109 | April 7, 2017 10:24 pm

      rain of lead wrote:

      so how cool was it that trump calls an air strike IN THE MIDDLE OF DINNER with the Chinese leader

      Ultra cool.

      🙂

      How to impress and warn at the same time


    110. Deplorable Idapig
      110 | April 7, 2017 10:40 pm

      AZfederalist wrote:

      @ eaglesoars:
      eaglesoars wrote:

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Look at the first photo is this article. Supposedly of dead children killed by gas. I think it looks staged, they don’t look dead to me. Thoughts?

      this article. sheesh

      Not sure about that picture, but WZ had a video last nigh in which one of the dead “victims”, a young woman, opened her eyes after the camera had panned over her and then accidentally panned back.

      The ones on FB looked staged to me, as well. It didn’t look as though they were in any distress at all. No discoloration of skin or lips. Or I’m a horrid cynic. I just don’t believe them anymore.


    111. Deplorable Idapig
      111 | April 7, 2017 10:42 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      coldwarrior wrote:

      @ eaglesoars:

      lips are the right color, so are the fingers. rigor mortis starts about 30 minutes after death, their positions are consistent with the inhibition of cholinesterase.

      ok, thanks

      AZfederalist wrote:

      Not sure about that picture, but WZ had a video last nigh in which one of the dead “victims”, a young woman, opened her eyes after the camera had panned over her and then accidentally panned back.

      I missed that I’ll have to go back and look. but not now I’m going to bed. nite

      G’nite Eagle.


    112. Aussie Infidel
      112 | April 7, 2017 10:43 pm

      ex UK ambassador to Syria, Peter Ford, is saying this whole Syria using chemical weapons bombing story is garbage, direct quote:-

      “There is no proof that the cause of the explosion was what they said it was. Remember what happened in Iraq…I’ve seen testimony alleged from witnesses who said they saw chemical bombs dropping from the air. Well,you can not see chemical weapons dropping from the air. Such testimony is worthless.”

      “But think about the consequences because this is not likely to be the end of it. It doesn’t make sense that Assad would do it. Lets not leave our brains outside the door when we examine evidence. It would be totally self-defeating as shown by the results…Assad is not mad.”

      http://www.zerohedge.com/ne


    113. Aussie Infidel
      113 | April 7, 2017 10:45 pm

      Let’s be open minded about this incident, but not so open minded that our brains drop out!

      🙂


    114. Deplorable Idapig
      114 | April 7, 2017 10:50 pm

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      ex UK ambassador to Syria, Peter Ford, is saying this whole Syria using chemical weapons bombing story is garbage, direct quote:-

      “There is no proof that the cause of the explosion was what they said it was. Remember what happened in Iraq…I’ve seen testimony alleged from witnesses who said they saw chemical bombs dropping from the air. Well,you can not see chemical weapons dropping from the air. Such testimony is worthless.”

      “But think about the consequences because this is not likely to be the end of it. It doesn’t make sense that Assad would do it. Lets not leave our brains outside the door when we examine evidence. It would be totally self-defeating as shown by the results…Assad is not mad.”

      http://www.zerohedge.com/ne…

      Yes and I buy into your #2 scenario. The whole thing is as clear as mud right now. The warning to Russia (which also means the Syrians were warned) along with Xi over for dinner when the strike was called.

      I know CW doesn’t like my kabuki analysis, but come ON!


    115. Deplorable Bumr50
      115 | April 7, 2017 10:51 pm

      @ Aussie Infidel:

      I think Trump got played, and I’m a supporter.

      The question is, does he know?

      The action was at once both the perceived “right thing to do” and a way to project power at a time it was in question.

      Did anyone die?


    116. coldwarrior
      116 | April 7, 2017 10:54 pm

      Deplorable Idapig wrote:

      I know CW doesn’t like my kabuki analysis,

      i am agnostic about it all at this time


    117. Deplorable Idapig
      117 | April 7, 2017 11:09 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      Deplorable Idapig wrote:

      I know CW doesn’t like my kabuki analysis,

      i am agnostic about it all at this time

      I hear ya. Like Aussie I’m definitely in await and see mode.

      I still like the part where the strike was called during dinner with the Chinese guy. An instant classic right there!


    118. coldwarrior
      118 | April 7, 2017 11:15 pm

      Deplorable Idapig wrote:

      I still like the part where the strike was called during dinner with the Chinese guy. An instant classic right there!

      total mob boss move


    119. Aussie Infidel
      119 | April 8, 2017 12:37 am

      Deplorable Bumr50 wrote:

      @ Aussie Infidel:

      I think Trump got played, and I’m a supporter.

      The question is, does he know?

      The action was at once both the perceived “right thing to do” and a way to project power at a time it was in question.

      Did anyone die?

      Yup . It’s been reported that 6 Syrians died and about a dozen or so were wounded.

      It is entirely possible that Trump roses to the bait specifically to demonstrate to President Xi that Trump wasn’t someone you try to stiff. The opportunities for a multi faceted ‘learning experience’ for the Russians, Assad, and Xi was just too juicy to pass up.


    120. Aussie Infidel
      120 | April 8, 2017 1:26 am

      Scenario #2 is still top guess and now this. Possibly a propaganda piece to shore up Assad’s failing cud’s but I’ll post it as at least a possibility among many in this ‘wilderness of mirrors’.

      The key question that needs resolving is:-

      Why would Assad do this now, effectively ‘shooting himself in both feet’ just as he was about to win his 6 year civil war?

      Answer that and you will probably have the truth.

      Before the Syrian Army dropped bombs in Khan Sheikhoun on April 4th, an activist/journalist tweeted this in the early morning hours (h/t: Walid Shoebat ):

      According to Google Translate, it reads:

      “Tomorrow, a media campaign will be launched to cover the intensity of the air raids on the countryside of Hama and the use of chlorine against civilians.”

      This was tweeted a little after 3am in the morning of the 4th before the attack.

      According to CNN , the attack happened just before 7:30am in the morning there:

      A doctor in a hospital close to Khan Sheikhoun told CNN: “Today around 7:30 a.m., about 125 … arrived to our hospital. Twenty-five of them were already dead, 70% to 80% of the wounded people were kids and women.

      So some three to four hours before the attack occurred, this activist/journalist was already preparing a media campaign to expose Assad’s use of chemical weapons?

      Not to mention, there is a weapons manufacturing facility there in Khan Sheikhoun that was captured in this video by Qatari TV which aired on Al Jazeera. The video begins by showing people being washed off after the chemical attack, but then shows the facility nearby where they are manufacturing weapons.

      RT reports that Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Major-General Igor Konashenkov stated that there were chemical weapons being made and stored there:

      The Syrian Air Force has destroyed a warehouse in Idlib province where chemical weapons were being produced and stockpiled before being shipped to Iraq, Russia’s Defense Ministry spokesman said.

      The strike, which was launched midday Tuesday, targeted a major rebel ammunition depot east of the town of Khan Sheikhoun, Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Major-General Igor Konashenkov said in a statement.

      The warehouse was used to both produce and store shells containing toxic gas, Konashenkov said. The shells were delivered to Iraq and repeatedly used there, he added, pointing out that both Iraq and international organizations have confirmed the use of such weapons by militants.

      The LA Times has mixed reporting on the facility , but one journalist they talked to suggests it was definitely used to store weapons:

      A number of opposition activists in Khan Sheikhoun said their groups had had no rebel weapons facilities, though the town has long been a target of government warplanes.

      Syrian journalist Nizar Nayouf quoted an unnamed doctor who told him there had been a storage area for the rebels in town.

      “It contained a workshop … a section to store weapons and ammunition, and even foodstuffs and medical as well as logistical equipment,” said Nayouf in a message on social media Wednesday.

      Another activist, who asked not to be named for security reasons, said in a WhatsApp voice recording Wednesday that a bakery in the eastern part of town had been repurposed as a weapons storage area.

      But Khaled Ibrahim, a pro-opposition activist, said in an interview that the bakery had been destroyed a year and a half ago in a strike and was unusable.

      So what happened here? Honesty I don’t know because all of this is circumstantial evidence. But between the tweet and the existence of this weapons facility that may have been storing gas, it seems possible that the Assad regime could have been set up by people who are worried that Assad will win complete victory.

      After all, the LA Times makes an interesting point about the narrative that Assad would use chemical weapons on these people after making such victories lately:

      Why would Assad attack now?

      Moallem insisted “it is not reasonable that the Syrian army could use chemical weapons now at the time when it has been achieving victories on various fronts.”

      Militarily, the government has achieved significant gains, while its rebel adversaries are largely in disarray. It has taken back the cities of Aleppo and Homs, and was on the cusp of negotiating issues of aid and reconstruction with world powers under the aegis of the U.N.

      Why would it put all of that in jeopardy with a gas attack like this on innocent civilians and ‘little babies’?

      As I suggested, I don’t know what happened. But the US government seems awfully sure of itself that Assad really did this himself, as we saw with the attack last night on Assad’s airbase.

      But they were also awfully sure back in 2013 when even McClatchy reported that it was unlikely that the Assad regime had done it.

      There are many forces that are against Assad, forces that have been funding the jihadi rebels to keep this civil war going for six years now. And now that Assad has been winning for some time, especially with Russian help, I think it’s quite plausible that desperate activists/rebels in the region planned to use chemical weapons the next time they saw Assad dropping bombs. That would give them what they needed to start a media campaign to get the world against Assad to help defeat him.

      And if that’s the case, then Trump and the US government just got dupped.


    121. Aussie Infidel
      121 | April 8, 2017 1:35 am

      So why in all that is holy hasn’t the Secret Service kicked this snowflake’s for in?

      A history professor at California State University, Fresno, advocated for the death of President Donald Trump on Twitter.
      Tweets from an account purportedly operated by Professor Lars Maischak call for Trump to “hang” in order to “save American democracy,” and say the only “cure” for racist people is a bullet to their head. The account is not verified, although the bio and interactions between the user and other Twitter users indicate it belongs to the professor.
      “To save American democracy, Trump must hang,” Professor Lars Maischak appears to have tweeted in February. “The sooner and the higher, the better. #TheResistance #DeathToFascism.”
      “Has anyone started soliciting money and design drafts for a monument honoring the Trump assassin, yet?” the user wrote in another tweet a few days later, along with the hashtag “TheResistance.”


    122. Aussie Infidel
      122 | April 8, 2017 1:35 am

      for = Door

      Bloody self correction !

      Spit!

      🙂


    123. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      123 | April 8, 2017 2:24 am

      I don’t think Trump got played. I know the press is still trying to tie some tentative Russian/Trump thing again, but in the small circle of people I’ve interacted with today, NO ONE, believes Russia helped Trump win the election now. And there are several that are radical leftists. They say that Trump would never have gone toe to toe with Russia if he was an ally.

      I think this worked out just the way that it needed to. It didn’t cost him any political capital either.


    124. Aussie Infidel
      124 | April 8, 2017 4:08 am

      You are probably right. If Trump got played it is because he wanted to be played to give him the results he required. Xi in no two minds that Trump has the balls to make hard decisions. Same with Putin and Assad. New kid in town and a no nonsense approach.

      🙂

      A ‘Three ‘fer One’ outcome.


    125. Aussie Infidel
      125 | April 8, 2017 4:10 am

      @ Deplorable Martian Overlord:
      Obama’s presidency is looking more and more threadbare, bitchy and lightweight by the day.


    126. RIX
      126 | April 8, 2017 8:41 am

      Good morning fun seekers. Woke up this morning in search of coffee and turned on the TV.
      I knew that Obama is no longer bombing the Liitle Sisters of the Poor and wanted news about Syria.
      FNC had a Repubican consultant and the Democrat was Ricard Fowler,
      you know the dude that is like Erkel all grown up. He did not want to talk about Syria at all, he wanted to talk about the allegation of Trumps nefarious collusion with Putin to deny Hillary what was by right hers. It was annoying.
      The young woman on the Republican side retorted ” Come back when you have some evidence (paraphrase)”
      He just had a self-congratulatory smirk on his face.


    127. Deplorable Idapig
      127 | April 8, 2017 8:58 am

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      for = Door

      Bloody self correction !

      Spit!

      I translated it as “face.” Which I like better than door! But that’s just me!


    128. Deplorable Idapig
      128 | April 8, 2017 9:02 am

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      And if that’s the case, then Trump and the US government just got dupped.

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      It is entirely possible that Trump roses to the bait specifically to demonstrate to President Xi that Trump wasn’t someone you try to stiff. The opportunities for a multi faceted ‘learning experience’ for the Russians, Assad, and Xi was just too juicy to pass up.

      Not “played” necessarily. But you kinda answered your own question. It was just too juicy to pass up. And he DID warn the Russians and through them, the Syrians, first.


    129. RIX
      129 | April 8, 2017 9:20 am

      http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/the-trump-putin-theory-on-syria-that-can-t-be-ruled-out-916753987666
      The most penetrating analysis of the Syrian airstrikes comes from Laurence O’Donnell on MSNBC.
      on with Rachel Maddow. he comes up with a batshit crazy theory. It is a long clip, but you will get the idea quickly.


    130. coldwarrior
      130 | April 8, 2017 9:56 am

      @ RIX:

      Trump has built a great and beautiful golf course and hotel in their heads and is living there….

      RENT FREE!!!!

      i dare say that this is worse then BDS. Bush Derangement Syndrome. The joy of this is that trump isn’t a spineless, globalists coke addled moron who won’t fight back. these people will be suicidal before his second term


    131. eaglesoars
      131 | April 8, 2017 10:03 am

      RT reporting US-led coalition airstrike near Raqqa. Which is not news as far as I can tell but RT is going after the civilian deaths (about 15).


    132. coldwarrior
      132 | April 8, 2017 10:05 am

      well, this is an interesting take o all of this.

      https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/04/08/syria-it-doesnt-matter-who-used-the-chemical-weapons/

      as plausible as anything else, i still remain agnostic for now over all of it.


    133. RIX
      133 | April 8, 2017 10:11 am

      coldwarrior wrote:

      @ RIX:

      Trump has built a great and beautiful golf course and hotel in their heads and is living there….

      RENT FREE!!!!

      i dare say that this is worse then BDS. Bush Derangement Syndrome. The joy of this is that trump isn’t a spineless, globalists coke addled moron who won’t fight back. these people will be suicidal before his second term

      Right, Trump is a whole different critter. He did not come up through the political ranks, and therefore has not bargained. and sold in politics. He is 70 years old , so is not worried about a long term political future.
      He has created generational wealth, so bribe him with what? Can’t blackmail him, everything was aired during the campaign. So what is his angle? In my opinion the obvious answer is that the guy is a patriot . If all they have is that the guy used to be a playboy, forget it.


    134. Deplorable Idapig
      134 | April 8, 2017 10:19 am

      RIX wrote:

      coldwarrior wrote:

      @ RIX:

      Trump has built a great and beautiful golf course and hotel in their heads and is living there….

      RENT FREE!!!!

      i dare say that this is worse then BDS. Bush Derangement Syndrome. The joy of this is that trump isn’t a spineless, globalists coke addled moron who won’t fight back. these people will be suicidal before his second term

      Right, Trump is a whole different critter. He did not come up through the political ranks, and therefore has not bargained. and sold in politics. He is 70 years old , so is not worried about a long term political future.
      He has created generational wealth, so bribe him with what? Can’t blackmail him, everything was aired during the campaign. So what is his angle? In my opinion the obvious answer is that the guy is a patriot . If all they have is that the guy used to be a playboy, forget it.

      Yes, he seems to be a patriot. You can go back to his comments in the 80’s and he has a definite love of America. And yes, he’s created generational wealth, but that could be gone in an instant if the globalists have their way. He’s probably looking to safeguard the future of his progeny if not all Americans.


    135. coldwarrior
      135 | April 8, 2017 10:20 am

      WINNING:

      SHANGHAI/BEIJING (Reuters) – Chinese state media on Saturday cheered the meeting between U.S. President Donald Trump and his Chinese counterpart Xi Jinping as one that showed the world that confrontation between the two powers was not inevitable.

      The official China Daily newspaper said it was encouraging to see the two-day summit that ended on Friday “going as well as it could”, after earlier “confusing signals” from Washington about how it was approaching the U.S.-China relationship.

      Trump had campaigned with strident anti-China rhetoric and had angered Beijing before taking office by talking to the president of Taiwan, the self-ruled island Beijing claims as its own.

      But the two sides avoided any diplomatic gaffes at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida that would have tarnished the meeting in the eyes of the protocol-conscious Chinese.

      China Daily said both parties appeared “equally enthusiastic about the constructive relationship they have promised to cultivate”.

      “This may sound surreal to those preoccupied with an ‘inescapable’ conflict scenario between what they see as rising and incumbent powers,” the newspaper wrote in an editorial.

      “But that Beijing and Washington have so far managed to do well in preventing conflicts shows confrontation is not inevitable.”

      State-run Chinese tabloid Global Times said the meeting “served as an indicator that the China-U.S. relationship is still very much on course since the Trump administration took office in January”, and it was likely the two nations would develop a more “pragmatic relationship”.

      “It seems that both countries have understood the importance of how essential a smooth transition needs to be, and not just for the two countries involved here, but really for the entire world over,” it said.

      Their comments were echoed by a front-page commentary in the overseas edition of the ruling Communist Party’s official People’s Daily which said the meeting established the tone for the development of U.S.-China relations.

      the mob hit friday night worked quite nicely with premier 11.

      xi to me means 11, so that is what i will call him


    136. RIX
      136 | April 8, 2017 10:22 am

      coldwarrior wrote:

      well, this is an interesting take o all of this.

      https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/04/08/syria-it-doesnt-matter-who-used-the-chemical-weapons/

      as plausible as anything else, i still remain agnostic for now over all of it.

      Assad is a cretin, you would never want him on your bowling team. He is a brutal monster just like his father.
      Buuuuuut, if you remove him who fills the vacuum ? No matter how much John McCain drools and swoons the rebels are a bunch of brutal Jihadis , if anything worse than Assad.


    137. Deplorable Idapig
      137 | April 8, 2017 10:28 am

      More illegal round-ups in DC/Virginia.

      82 is a punk number though! You can get that many in front of Home Depot!


    138. eaglesoars
      138 | April 8, 2017 10:29 am

      @ RIX:

      I was just about to ask: how did Assad become the bad guy? He was a secular leader who faced insurgents trying to overthrow him. So did Daddy Assad and Daddy took a month to slaughter 10K people and pave over Hama. Why did we back ‘the rebels’ instead of Assad?


    139. eaglesoars
      139 | April 8, 2017 10:29 am

      Deplorable Idapig wrote:

      82 is a punk number though! You can get that many in front of Home Depot!

      paperwork. It’s a bitch, cops hate it.


    140. coldwarrior
      140 | April 8, 2017 10:31 am

      @ eaglesoars:

      i prefer assad for one reason, he protects the christians.

      none of the other players will, they WILL murder all of the christians in syria if given a chance and that is just hunky dory with the bastard mccain


    141. Deplorable Idapig
      141 | April 8, 2017 10:33 am

      coldwarrior wrote:

      WINNING:

      SHANGHAI/BEIJING (Reuters) – Chinese state media on Saturday cheered the meeting between U.S. President Donald Trump and his Chinese counterpart Xi Jinping as one that showed the world that confrontation between the two powers was not inevitable.

      The official China Daily newspaper said it was encouraging to see the two-day summit that ended on Friday “going as well as it could”, after earlier “confusing signals” from Washington about how it was approaching the U.S.-China relationship.

      Trump had campaigned with strident anti-China rhetoric and had angered Beijing before taking office by talking to the president of Taiwan, the self-ruled island Beijing claims as its own.

      But the two sides avoided any diplomatic gaffes at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida that would have tarnished the meeting in the eyes of the protocol-conscious Chinese.

      China Daily said both parties appeared “equally enthusiastic about the constructive relationship they have promised to cultivate”.

      “This may sound surreal to those preoccupied with an ‘inescapable’ conflict scenario between what they see as rising and incumbent powers,” the newspaper wrote in an editorial.

      “But that Beijing and Washington have so far managed to do well in preventing conflicts shows confrontation is not inevitable.”

      State-run Chinese tabloid Global Times said the meeting “served as an indicator that the China-U.S. relationship is still very much on course since the Trump administration took office in January”, and it was likely the two nations would develop a more “pragmatic relationship”.

      “It seems that both countries have understood the importance of how essential a smooth transition needs to be, and not just for the two countries involved here, but really for the entire world over,” it said.

      Their comments were echoed by a front-page commentary in the overseas edition of the ruling Communist Party’s official People’s Daily which said the meeting established the tone for the development of U.S.-China relations.

      the mob hit friday night worked quite nicely with premier 11.

      xi to me means 11, so that is what i will call him

      Premier 11 – that’s funny!

      But that article you posted? Here’s the translation/gist: Dis guy CRAZY! We better pray (play) nice!


    142. Deplorable Idapig
      142 | April 8, 2017 10:37 am

      eaglesoars wrote:

      @ RIX:

      I was just about to ask: how did Assad become the bad guy? He was a secular leader who faced insurgents trying to overthrow him. So did Daddy Assad and Daddy took a month to slaughter 10K people and pave over Hama. Why did we back ‘the rebels’ instead of Assad?

      IMHO he wasn’t radical enough. He’s nice to his minorities (being one himself) and obama would rather have wholesale annihilation of anything not rabid islam. Although he seems to be sunni and cuddled up with Iran which is shia – so I don’t get that part.


    143. eaglesoars
      143 | April 8, 2017 10:37 am

      RIX wrote:

      Buuuuuut, if you remove him who fills the vacuum ?

      this is not an answer but 2 things come to mind. During the campaign, Trump said one thing on his agenda was to destroy ISIS.

      Then the other day Tillerson pops up with the news that ‘they’ are putting together a coalition to remove Assad. I would ASSUME that in that plan there is a part that covers the ‘after Assad’ scenario.


    144. eaglesoars
      144 | April 8, 2017 10:39 am

      coldwarrior wrote:

      i prefer assad for one reason, he protects the christians.

      so I understand, but that doesn’t answer my question – why did we back the rebels instead of Assad?


    145. coldwarrior
      145 | April 8, 2017 10:43 am

      Deplorable Idapig wrote:

      But that article you posted? Here’s the translation/gist: Dis guy CRAZY! We better pray (play) nice!

      yep, end r3esult…play nice.

      WINING!


    146. Deplorable Idapig
      146 | April 8, 2017 10:44 am

      Deplorable Idapig wrote:

      IMHO he wasn’t radical enough. He’s nice to his minorities (being one himself) and obama would rather have wholesale annihilation of anything not rabid islam. Although he seems to be sunni and cuddled up with Iran which is shia – so I don’t get that part.

      He being obama in regards to “he is a sunni.” Assad is an alawite.

      And in response to Rix’s comment about Assad being a cretin? He is. But he did leave his minorities alone to live in peace and anything is better than ISIS which obama created!

      I think a big part of the US policy hatred for Assad is he hitched his pony to Iran instead of the US (like Musharraf of Pakistan) which put him in our crosshairs.


    147. coldwarrior
      147 | April 8, 2017 10:45 am

      later yinz!

      new thread is up whenever yinz wanna go there.

      i’m off to the CC to hang out in the men’s grille and smoke a cigar, drink some scotch and watch the masters.

      enjoy!


    148. RIX
      148 | April 8, 2017 10:48 am

      eaglesoars wrote:

      RIX wrote:

      Buuuuuut, if you remove him who fills the vacuum ?

      this is not an answer but 2 things come to mind. During the campaign, Trump said one thing on his agenda was to destroy ISIS.

      Then the other day Tillerson pops up with the news that ‘they’ are putting together a coalition to remove Assad. I would ASSUME that in that plan there is a part that covers the ‘after Assad’ scenario.

      Then there would be a grand strategy. It may be take out Assad, and then destroy ISIS. I would not want to hang out with Assad, but ISiS is our existential threat. Whatever, Trump is a yuge upgrade from the last guy.


    149. RIX
      149 | April 8, 2017 10:52 am

      eaglesoars wrote:

      @ RIX:

      I was just about to ask: how did Assad become the bad guy? He was a secular leader who faced insurgents trying to overthrow him. So did Daddy Assad and Daddy took a month to slaughter 10K people and pave over Hama. Why did we back ‘the rebels’ instead of Assad?

      From the perspective of Obama, I would say that he digs radical Islamists. He visited with he Muslim Brotherhood on his first trip to Egypt. Seriously, I think that he is somewhat simpatico with the Jihad.You know they are anti western and all.


    150. Deplorable Idapig
      150 | April 8, 2017 10:52 am

      eaglesoars wrote:

      coldwarrior wrote:

      i prefer assad for one reason, he protects the christians.

      so I understand, but that doesn’t answer my question – why did we back the rebels instead of Assad?

      Assad did 2 things which pissed off US policy-makers. #1, He helped Hussein prior to our attack and took possession of his WMD’s (which Israel kindly blew up for us) and #2, he allied his country with Iran and allowed the Iranian Republican guard (and every other terrorists from Jordan and every other country in the region) to flood Iraq to kill our troops. It was a f@cknozzle thing to do and we haven’t forgotten it.


    151. eaglesoars
      151 | April 8, 2017 11:00 am

      @ RIX:
      @ Deplorable Idapig:

      thanks, I’m researching some other sources now too. What they all, including you 2, seem to have in common is – Assad has really crappy friends and runs around in the wrong political circles.

      fucknozzle. heh. my new favorite word, thanks Idapig!


    152. lobo91
      152 | April 8, 2017 11:11 am

      Putin’s cell phone


    153. RIX
      153 | April 8, 2017 11:11 am

      eaglesoars wrote:

      @ RIX:
      @ Deplorable Idapig:

      thanks, I’m researching some other sources now too. What they all, including you 2, seem to have in common is – Assad has really crappy friends and runs around in the wrong political circles.

      fucknozzle. heh. my new favorite word, thanks Idapig!

      I am guessing that if Assad goes on a dating sites, with his history he will not be a chick magnet.


    154. RIX
      154 | April 8, 2017 11:13 am

      lobo91 wrote:

      Putin’s cell phone

      That’s good.


    155. lobo91
      155 | April 8, 2017 11:17 am

      Berlin woman, 34, plans to MARRY the brother of Christmas market terrorist and bring him to Germany after they hooked up on Facebook when she sent a message of sympathy

      A woman in Berlin is planning to marry the brother of assassin Anis Amri and bring him back to live in the city.

      The woman, known only as Susanne K., 34, got to know Walid Amri, 31, on Facebook in the days following the December 19 attack, where 12 people died and dozens more were injured after Anis crashed a truck into a Christmas market.

      They hooked up on the social networking site on Christmas day – two days after the killer was shot dead by police in Milan, Italy.

      ‘I sent a message of sympathy to him and his family,’ she told Germany’s Bild newspaper. Bild added; ‘Amri was touched by the kind gesture and opened his heart to the stranger.’

      They remain in contact daily using French as he speaks no German and she no Arabic. He calls her ‘mon amour’ – my love – and she refers to him as ‘mon coeur,’ or my heart.

      Bild says the duo are talking of a wedding but are short of cash. The mother-of-three added; ‘Money plays a part. I can’t finance everything. But he knows that.’

      Her children were fathered by Palestinian and Kurdish partners. ‘Now it’s just a Tunisian!’ she jokes.

      He tells her that the children pose no problem to their planned wedding, adding; ‘Your children are my children.’

      The plan is for her to fly to Tunisia in the summer, marry, and bring back Amri to Berlin – if the authorities would allow it.

      She says she has already lost friends due to her cyberspace love affair with Amri, but added: ‘Walid is also just a human being. He couldn’t do anything about what his brother did.’


    156. Deplorable Idapig
      156 | April 8, 2017 11:17 am

      eaglesoars wrote:

      @ RIX:
      @ Deplorable Idapig:

      thanks, I’m researching some other sources now too. What they all, including you 2, seem to have in common is – Assad has really crappy friends and runs around in the wrong political circles.

      fucknozzle. heh. my new favorite word, thanks Idapig!

      In hindsight Assad made the wise choice. Just look at everybody who backed us: Musharraf – GONE! Gaddafi – GONE! Mubarek – GONE! Pretty much everyone who chose our side is gone from power and either dead or sitting in a jail cell somewhere. Even Erdogan refused us use of Turkey’s airspace and refused to allow us to launch from their borders. We had to go to Kuwait.


    157. eaglesoars
      157 | April 8, 2017 11:21 am

      RT reporting only 29 missiles of the 50-some the U.S. fired hit their targets, proving the U.S. sucks.


    158. Deplorable Idapig
      158 | April 8, 2017 11:22 am

      lobo91 wrote:

      fucknozzle. heh. my new favorite word, thanks Idapig!

      And that’s why Germany is doomed! You’d think the Fatherland of the Nazi’s would have rose up by now to lynch the enemy within – but Noooo!


    159. Deplorable Idapig
      159 | April 8, 2017 11:23 am

      eaglesoars wrote:

      RT reporting only 29 missiles of the 50-some the U.S. fired hit their targets, proving the U.S. sucks.

      But we don’t. Our targeting system is second to none! Which means they missed on purpose! Orders, you know!


    160. lobo91
      160 | April 8, 2017 11:26 am

      eaglesoars wrote:

      RT reporting only 29 missiles of the 50-some the U.S. fired hit their targets, proving the U.S. sucks.

      How do they know what their intended targets were?


    161. Deplorable Idapig
      161 | April 8, 2017 11:34 am

      Deplorable Idapig wrote:

      lobo91 wrote:

      fucknozzle. heh. my new favorite word, thanks Idapig!

      And that’s why Germany is doomed! You’d think the Fatherland of the Nazi’s would have rose up by now to lynch the enemy within – but Noooo!

      What the hell happened here? BTW – you’re welcome, Eagle!

      This was supposed to be in response to Lobo’s post about the moron who is marrying a terrorist (yeah, I don’t care if it was his brother! He’s one too!).


    162. eaglesoars
      162 | April 8, 2017 11:37 am

      lobo91 wrote:

      How do they know what their intended targets were?

      The Russians know EVERYTHING! Just ask Adam Schiff

      Susan Rice event planned in Rochester cancelled

      Former National Security Advisor Susan Rice’s appearance in Rochester has been cancelled.

      Rice was set to speak at the “Women Helping Girls Conference 2017” on Saturday at the Theatre on the Ridge. Officials cite a ticketing error.

      The ticketing ‘error’ being that they probably didn’t sell any


    163. 163 | April 8, 2017 11:39 am

      lobo91 wrote:

      eaglesoars wrote:

      RT reporting only 29 missiles of the 50-some the U.S. fired hit their targets, proving the U.S. sucks.

      How do they know what their intended targets were?

      Exactly, a show of force designed to not actually kill anyone. An old cowboy movie move where the sheriff shoots the coffee cup right next to the bad guys gun so he doesn’t have to shoot the bad guy, but the bad guy knows one twitch and he is dead.


    164. Deplorable Idapig
      164 | April 8, 2017 11:43 am

      doriangrey wrote:

      lobo91 wrote:

      eaglesoars wrote:

      RT reporting only 29 missiles of the 50-some the U.S. fired hit their targets, proving the U.S. sucks.

      How do they know what their intended targets were?

      Exactly, a show of force designed to not actually kill anyone. An old cowboy movie move where the sheriff shoots the coffee cup right next to the bad guys gun so he doesn’t have to shoot the bad guy, but the bad guy knows one twitch and he is dead.

      LOL! Nice analogy!


    165. eaglesoars
      165 | April 8, 2017 11:46 am

      @ doriangrey:

      really? how much does one of those things cost?


    166. lobo91
      166 | April 8, 2017 11:55 am

      eaglesoars wrote:

      @ doriangrey:

      really? how much does one of those things cost?

      A bit under $2 million each


    167. eaglesoars
      167 | April 8, 2017 12:00 pm

      @ lobo91:

      so that’s about $50 mil we just pissed away for show when our entire military is on life support after 8 years of being gutted by Obama?

      I question the premise.

      However, I need food so yinz play amongst yerselves


    168. Guggi
      168 | April 8, 2017 12:54 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      I would ASSUME that in that plan there is a part that covers the ‘after Assad’ scenario.

      I wouldn’t bet on it and IF so is the plan like in Iraq? Failure.


    169. lobo91
      169 | April 8, 2017 1:32 pm

      Another Dan Rather Scandal

      Ever since his forced resignation in disgrace, Dan Rather has continued on a downward spiral. His career, such as it is, has been kept alive by appearances on the Rachel Maddow show on MSNBC, where he takes potshots at his former employer and President Donald Trump. It is a sad spectacle.

      Rather has now suffered another major embarrassment. The former anchorman of the CBS Evening News has been accused by a website devoted to exposing military corruption of falsely claiming to have been a member of the U.S. Marine Corps.

      The editor-in-chief of the website http://www.MilitaryCorruption.com, retired U.S. Army Major Glenn MacDonald, says he stumbled across a published photo of Rather in a dress blue Marine Corps uniform in his book Rather Outspoken and decided to investigate the claim. The photo caption, “as a young Marine,” clearly indicates Rather had been a member in good standing of the Marine Corps.

      But the truth, MacDonald says, is that Rather left the Marines before completing boot camp and the photo was obtained under questionable circumstances.

      It has been known for years that Rather was discharged before he finished basic training. Those facts were established by investigator B.J. Burkett in his book Stolen Valor.

      MilitaryCorruption.com took the story one important step further.

      “In our exclusive story, we interviewed a senior retired Marine noncommissioned officer who was in around the same time as Rather claimed to have been in the Marines,” MacDonald said. “He told us the photo in question probably was the result of a policy the Corps had then of putting a blue blouse (from dress uniform) and ‘white cover’ (the saucer cap) on each ‘boot’ several weeks into their training to make sure the Marines had head shots of members of each training cycle to use for the Marine yearbook each successful Jarhead received at completion of USMC boot camp.”

      That is the photo that Rather somehow obtained to use in his book so he could claim to be a “young Marine.”

      “Dan Rather has written several biographical books over the past 40 years, but this was the first time the Texan climbed out on a limb and portrayed himself in print as a onetime member of the Corps,” reported MilitaryCorruption.com “It was a risky move, as Dan knows he didn’t graduate from boot camp.”

      MacDonald said the photo used by Rather in his book was Marine Corps property, not his to use for self-promotion. So how did Rather get his hands on his photo, especially when he failed to graduate back in 1954?

      We left questions about this with Rather’s new website, http://www.newsandgutsmedia.com, but have not received a response.

      MacDonald tells AIM that the story has to be set straight for the sake of all of those who did serve. “I remembered all the Marines I had known over the years, some of them now dead, who would spin in their graves to know such a self-righteous phony was trying to trick Americans into thinking he was once part of their beloved Corps,” he said.

      MilitaryCorruption.com reports that Rather had been verbally referring to himself as having been a Marine, or in the Marines, and “he must have figured at this stage of his career that he could get away with publishing the photo and deliberately deceiving the public.”


    170. Deplorable Idapig
      170 | April 8, 2017 2:35 pm

      lobo91 wrote:

      Another Dan Rather Scandal

      Ever since his forced resignation in disgrace, Dan Rather has continued on a downward spiral. His career, such as it is, has been kept alive by appearances on the Rachel Maddow show on MSNBC, where he takes potshots at his former employer and President Donald Trump. It is a sad spectacle.

      Rather has now suffered another major embarrassment. The former anchorman of the CBS Evening News has been accused by a website devoted to exposing military corruption of falsely claiming to have been a member of the U.S. Marine Corps.

      The editor-in-chief of the website http://www.MilitaryCorruption.com, retired U.S. Army Major Glenn MacDonald, says he stumbled across a published photo of Rather in a dress blue Marine Corps uniform in his book Rather Outspoken and decided to investigate the claim. The photo caption, “as a young Marine,” clearly indicates Rather had been a member in good standing of the Marine Corps.

      But the truth, MacDonald says, is that Rather left the Marines before completing boot camp and the photo was obtained under questionable circumstances.

      It has been known for years that Rather was discharged before he finished basic training. Those facts were established by investigator B.J. Burkett in his book Stolen Valor.

      MilitaryCorruption.com took the story one important step further.

      “In our exclusive story, we interviewed a senior retired Marine noncommissioned officer who was in around the same time as Rather claimed to have been in the Marines,” MacDonald said. “He told us the photo in question probably was the result of a policy the Corps had then of putting a blue blouse (from dress uniform) and ‘white cover’ (the saucer cap) on each ‘boot’ several weeks into their training to make sure the Marines had head shots of members of each training cycle to use for the Marine yearbook each successful Jarhead received at completion of USMC boot camp.”

      That is the photo that Rather somehow obtained to use in his book so he could claim to be a “young Marine.”

      “Dan Rather has written several biographical books over the past 40 years, but this was the first time the Texan climbed out on a limb and portrayed himself in print as a onetime member of the Corps,” reported MilitaryCorruption.com “It was a risky move, as Dan knows he didn’t graduate from boot camp.”

      MacDonald said the photo used by Rather in his book was Marine Corps property, not his to use for self-promotion. So how did Rather get his hands on his photo, especially when he failed to graduate back in 1954?

      We left questions about this with Rather’s new website, http://www.newsandgutsmedia.com, but have not received a response.

      MacDonald tells AIM that the story has to be set straight for the sake of all of those who did serve. “I remembered all the Marines I had known over the years, some of them now dead, who would spin in their graves to know such a self-righteous phony was trying to trick Americans into thinking he was once part of their beloved Corps,” he said.

      MilitaryCorruption.com reports that Rather had been verbally referring to himself as having been a Marine, or in the Marines, and “he must have figured at this stage of his career that he could get away with publishing the photo and deliberately deceiving the public.”

      Shmuck!


    171. 171 | April 8, 2017 2:40 pm

      @ lobo91:

      Bah… A “Baby Blue Marine” eh…


    172. Deplorable Idapig
      172 | April 8, 2017 2:41 pm

      doriangrey wrote:

      @ lobo91:

      Bah… A “Baby Blue Marine” eh…

      I saw that movie! Jan Michael Vincent – before he went to hell!


    173. RIX
      173 | April 8, 2017 2:51 pm

      @ lobo91:
      Rather has palmed himself off as an ex Marine for years. But he did not get through boot camp for whatever reason(it is vague) If you do not graduate boot camp you never were a Marine, and the photo in blues is about three weeks in.
      It galls me when he pulls that ex Marine schtick.


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