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  • A positron emission tomography open

    by coldwarrior ( 128 Comments › )
    Filed under Medicine, Open thread at March 9th, 2020 - 8:48 pm

    PET, an elegant solution to a vexing problem.

    an open

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    128 Responses to “A positron emission tomography open”
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    1. AZfederalist
      1 | March 9, 2020 9:09 pm

      We really have been blessed with excellent medical diagnostic tools. Just need some new ones to replace the invasive ones.


    2. eaglesoars
      2 | March 9, 2020 9:21 pm

      Look at the price spread on this sucker

      As of August 2008, Cancer Care Ontario reports that the current average incremental cost to perform a PET scan in the province is Can$1,000–1,200 per scan. This includes the cost of the radiopharmaceutical and a stipend for the physician reading the scan.[69]

      In the United States, a PET scan is estimated to be ~$5,000, and most insurance companies don’t pay for routine PET scans after cancer treatment due to the fact that these scans are often unnecessary and present potentially more risks than benefits.[70]

      In England, the NHS reference cost (2015–2016) for an adult outpatient PET scan is £798, and £242 for direct access services.[71]

      In Australia, as of July 2018, the Medicare Benefits Schedule Fee for whole body FDG PET ranges from A$953 to A$999, depending on the indication for the scan.[72]


    3. AZfederalist
      3 | March 9, 2020 9:33 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Look at the price spread on this sucker

      Would also be interesting to see the availability of those tools in each country. Just guessing, PET scans in US are readily available, PET scans in the other countries are inexpensive, but heavily wait-listed. Price is lower because the few systems available are fully utilized.


    4. eaglesoars
      4 | March 9, 2020 9:46 pm

      @ AZfederalist:

      Um, doesn’t that sort of violate the price/scarcity thing?


    5. eaglesoars
      5 | March 9, 2020 9:48 pm

      AZfederalist wrote:

      Price is lower because the few systems available are fully utilized.

      High demand for a scarce product = higher price, yes?

      I’m thinking subsidies


    6. lobo91
      6 | March 9, 2020 9:50 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      I seriously doubt that there’s a significant difference in the cost of operating the machine between different countries (aside from maybe the cost of electricity).

      The cost difference probably reflects what you’re paying the people who operate it and interpret the results.


    7. eaglesoars
      7 | March 9, 2020 10:05 pm

      @ lobo91:

      I have no clue


    8. AZfederalist
      8 | March 9, 2020 10:22 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      @ AZfederalist:

      Um, doesn’t that sort of violate the price/scarcity thing?

      No, not really. Now, I’m merely speculating that the other countries have limited capacity, I haven’t researched it. Now, if the places with a few machines were free-market, your statement would be true. However, supply/demand is not at work here — it is the cost of running the machines in a government-controlled economy for those other countries. In those countries, if they keep them going all the time because of high demand the cost of the machine is amortized across a lot more patients. In our country, because so many places have them, they are not utilized at full capacity so the cost is amortized across fewer patients. All of this is pure speculation on my part though.


    9. eaglesoars
      9 | March 9, 2020 10:28 pm

      AZfederalist wrote:

      the cost is amortized across fewer patients.

      That makes sense.


    10. rain of lead
      10 | March 10, 2020 4:32 am

      morning y’all
      so another leftist “walks away”

      I’m A Lesbian Woman & I’m Leaving The INSANE “Progressive” Left
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=168&v=mzYHBPTfXCI&feature=emb_logo


    11. rain of lead
      11 | March 10, 2020 4:34 am

      The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy is now 42 years old.


    12. rain of lead
      12 | March 10, 2020 4:39 am

      Are You Pondering What I’m Pondering?
      I think so, Brain … but if we let ourselves go, do we have a way back?


    13. coldwarrior
      13 | March 10, 2020 7:00 am

      rain of lead wrote:

      The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy is now 42 years old.

      i have my towel.


    14. coldwarrior
      14 | March 10, 2020 7:01 am

      rain of lead wrote:

      Are You Pondering What I’m Pondering?

      https://babylonbee.com/news/pinky-brain-announce-2020-run/


    15. 15 | March 10, 2020 8:45 am

      @ AZfederalist:
      Here’s a document about Canadian PET scanners. Total public number country wide is 45. Majority of which are in major urban centers (Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal, etc.). MRI scanners would be a bit larger with the same spread.

      Now realize that these machines aren’t operated 24/7 because there isn’t the staff to man them so figure they would be running maybe 18 hours a day peak. Probably closer to 8 hours a day.


    16. 16 | March 10, 2020 8:47 am

      @ PaladinPhil:
      Forgot the link: https://www.cadth.ca/positron-emission-tomography-canada-2015

      There’s a table that breaks down where all the scanners are located and it’s worse than I thought.


    17. coldwarrior
      17 | March 10, 2020 8:59 am

      @ PaladinPhil:

      we have 5, just in my system and two portables on 18 wheelers.. just in the western part of pa.

      the other major system has 4.

      the small local system has 1 and there is one in another north of here.

      11, just in the western half of the state


    18. 18 | March 10, 2020 9:04 am

      @ coldwarrior:
      One of many reasons why I am hating Canadian health care.

      All these high tech resources that we can’t gain ready access to. Major reason is not enough funding or technicians to run them.


    19. eaglesoars
      19 | March 10, 2020 9:21 am

      Ah, our beacon of certainty in a world in chaos. Krugman fucks it up again, right on schedule

      Paul Krugman: Market signaling a ‘permanent recession’

      https://theweek.com/speedreads/900861/paul-krugman-market-signaling-permanent-recession

      No, I’m not reading it either, I just posted for the entertainment value


    20. Aussie Infidel
      21 | March 10, 2020 3:39 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      rain of lead wrote:

      The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy is now 42 years old.

      i have my towel.

      Don’t forget your dressing gown!

      🙂

      Watch out for those dastardly galactic freeway construction crews as well. They can be deadly when they come your way!

      🙂


    21. eaglesoars
      22 | March 10, 2020 3:45 pm

      @ coldwarrior:

      I heard this while I was out running errands. This may be part and parcel of dementia. I’m sure we’ve all heard hilarious stories about how people in our family first exhibited signs by swearing uncharacteristically or something (Mom said ‘fuck’ in the checkout line when she forgot she couldn’t buy beer on Sunday), but unproportional temper outbursts are part of it, too.


    22. Aussie Infidel
      23 | March 10, 2020 3:45 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      @ AZfederalist:

      Um, doesn’t that sort of violate the price/scarcity thing?

      Sure does. The Australian Dr Fred Hollows carried out cataract surgery throughout the Pacific Islands for $50 bucks per eye. Mine cost my Insurer $5,000 per eye here in Auckland. Go figure! … and I have to go back for a final top ul LASER surgery at $4,000 per eye 3 years later to correct for the subsequent post op natural thickening of the ‘cup’ in which the artificial lens sits inside my eyes.

      Fred Hollows did thousands of eye ops through the Pacific Islands and was considered to be a saint. Rest in Peace Fred. You did well!

      🙂


    23. coldwarrior
      24 | March 10, 2020 4:28 pm

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      Watch out for those dastardly galactic freeway construction crews as well. They can be deadly when they come your way!

      effing vogons.


    24. coldwarrior
      25 | March 10, 2020 4:32 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      he looks like dementia to me. joe is but a puppet. someone else has their hand up his ass and is controlling him


    25. Aussie Infidel
      26 | March 10, 2020 4:52 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      @ eaglesoars:

      he looks like dementia to me. joe is but a puppet. someone else has their hand up his ass and is controlling him

      Potential female VPs lining up to take over without having to go through all of that democratic candidature nonsense. Look for a stealth radical VP who will control OldJoe and then take over the party and wrench it even further leftwards with t ‘big reveal’ when the time is right.

      SPIT


    26. Aussie Infidel
      27 | March 10, 2020 4:54 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      effing vogons.

      Actually those Vorgons look suspiciously like the average bureaucrat.

      OMG they are here already!

      Mars is looking better and better. Hurry up Eon with your Spaceship.

      🙂


    27. eaglesoars
      28 | March 10, 2020 5:06 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      @ eaglesoars:

      he looks like dementia to me. joe is but a puppet. someone else has their hand up his ass and is controlling him

      I swear the only one I can think of is Hillary. I need to do some research


    28. Aussie Infidel
      29 | March 10, 2020 5:06 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/youre-full-of-sht-biden-snaps-at-detroit-auto-worker-calls-him-a-horses-ass-video/

      Dems is for the workin man. Donchaknow

      I can’t see old Joe lasting to the end of the electoral cycle without taking a swing at some voter. He’s already challenged fellow politicians to go behind the wood shed.

      Surely he can be goaded to take a poke at some hard hat between now and November. That’ll totally destroy his candidature. Can’t see him restraining himself for the next 6 months!

      🙂


    29. eaglesoars
      30 | March 10, 2020 5:14 pm

      Well, if the idea is that he’s POTUS for 6 mos and then is moved aside for an Obama/Hillary person, an obvious choice would be Susan Rice.

      If you’re thinking about just an ordinary VP pick, look at Tammy Duckworth


    30. RIX
      31 | March 10, 2020 7:27 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/youre-full-of-sht-biden-snaps-at-detroit-auto-worker-calls-him-a-horses-ass-video/

      Dems is for the workin man. Donchaknow

      Do you believe that guy.?
      The rank and file are pretty much MAGA.


    31. RIX
      32 | March 10, 2020 7:42 pm

      http://click1.e.westernjournalism.com/pyqlcrwytmrbcrlgbyfhrbrhrfbfdkjwdwmvflkhfylqjjy_ucgwhpchngshnmwmphyyy.html
      @ Gateway Pundit.
      Well, this is awkward for lunch bucket Joe.


    32. eaglesoars
      33 | March 10, 2020 8:43 pm

      How about a Biden/Brown ticket?

      In an end run around Republican legislators, Oregon’s Democratic governor ordered the state on Tuesday to lower greenhouse gas emissions, directing a state agency to set and enforce caps on pollution from industry and transportation fuels.

      Gov. Kate Brown’s sweeping executive order, one of the boldest in the nation, aims to reduce carbon emissions to at least 45% below 1990 levels by 2035 and an 80% reduction from 1990 levels by 2050. It more than doubles a clean fuels program, making it the most ambitious goal for clean fuels in the country, Brown said at a news conference.

      “I’ve heard it loud and clear from our young people in Oregon: climate action is crucial and urgent,” Brown said, surrounded by students. “If we adults don’t take action right away, it is the next generation that will pay the price.”

      The Republicans walked out, killing the legislative session, so Brown does it all with executive orders.

      Sounds familiar.


    33. Aussie Infidel
      35 | March 10, 2020 8:47 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      If you’re thinking about just an ordinary VP pick, look at Tammy Duckworth

      Well Duckworth is considered as a ‘moderate’ by current Democrat standards. She is ‘liberal’ when it comes to third trimester abortion and to euthanasia in a hands off sort of way.

      My real standout is her job working for Rotary International in Evanston as a manager for its Asia-Pacific Region. Now THAT I something about. That whole organisation Rotary International’s Asia Pacific cohort are into One World Government, quasi Masonic elitism, known as the global ‘swamp’. No one gets to be on its senior executive without being a true believer in Deep State NWO Swamp-ism!

      I was selected to vet Masters candidates by this organisation when I was a member of Rotary. What I discovered both revolted me and made me determined to throw a spanner in their works before resigning from Rotary for philosophical reasons. I managed to screw their selection process for targeted Graduates being recruited into Rotary International facilities at 5 international universities (including 2 in the US).

      Beware of these folks, including Duckworth! She smells of the NWO and Swamps.

      Just so you guys know

      🙂


    34. eaglesoars
      36 | March 10, 2020 8:59 pm

      @ Aussie Infidel:

      why do you think I picked her? I found out about Rotary about 25 yrs ago when a neighbor invited Hubby to join and I looked into it. But I promise you, this will never be covered in the media – her military service leading to her disabling injury, her babies, (she has 2 little girls, only member to breastfeed on the House floor) etc. She’s a classic Manchurian candidate. Ticks all the right boxes


    35. Aussie Infidel
      37 | March 10, 2020 8:59 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Well, if the idea is that he’s POTUS for 6 mos and then is moved aside for an Obama/Hillary person, an obvious choice would be Susan Rice.

      Rice has so many skeletons in her locker and has been involved in so many ‘incidents’ that she would be a massive target in any VP debate.

      Again a possible Dem VP candidate … with a huge target on her back!

      🙂


    36. Aussie Infidel
      38 | March 10, 2020 9:05 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      She’s a classic Manchurian candidate. Ticks all the right boxes

      She sure does….. if you are a Democrat!

      Alas my year screwing the pooch of Rotary International only lasted a year. More’s the pity.

      I led them along right up until the 11th hour, whilst doing absolutely nothing in selecting the Master’s candidates. When it was too late to resurrect the system, I announced that I was quitting. When asked if they could have all the work I had done preparing and selecting I said …. “what work”

      🙂

      And just walked away.

      Rotary International lost all New Zealand based candidates for that year. Alas I only got to screw with them for a single year.

      🙂


    37. eaglesoars
      39 | March 10, 2020 9:06 pm

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      she would be a massive target in any VP debate.

      I didn’t say it would be a wise pick, I just said it could be a logical pick.

      If you look at their behavior so far, they’ve lied blatantly and consistently and got away with it. The advantage of Susan Rice is that she knows where everything is buried and can destroy the shovels. Joe Biden does not want to be POTUS, Joe Biden wants to be in a position to protect his family. Rice can help him do that.


    38. eaglesoars
      40 | March 10, 2020 9:29 pm

      Oh, this is delicious. Somebody prank-called Prince Harry TWICE, pretending to be Greta Thunberg. The tapes are out..

      “Donald Trump has blood on his hands”

      https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11144268/prince-harry-megxit-hoaxers-greta-thunberg/


    39. eaglesoars
      41 | March 10, 2020 9:38 pm

      “I was in the military for ten years so I’m more normal than my family would like to believe”

      oh, dear


    40. AZfederalist
      42 | March 10, 2020 9:39 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      No, I’m not reading it either, I just posted for the entertainment value

      Wise lady. If you read it, the dull could potentially rub off on you.


    41. AZfederalist
      43 | March 10, 2020 9:40 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      Dems is for the workin man. Donchaknow

      … and they seem to have forgotten that the workin’ man likes hunting and shooting sports.


    42. eaglesoars
      44 | March 10, 2020 11:24 pm

      Well, looks like it’s all over for Bernie. And this time, nobody stole it from him, he lost fair and square.

      Nite, Bernie.


    43. coldwarrior
      45 | March 11, 2020 7:38 am

      @ eaglesoars:

      the club has their man.


    44. eaglesoars
      47 | March 11, 2020 10:25 am

      Hey, CW, are you seeing any of this?

      But hospitals in New York and across the nation expect to be overwhelmed. The impact will be “severe in the best of circumstances,” warns the Johns Hopkins report.

      To make room for the infected, hospitals are devising emergency strategies that include discharging other patients sooner than usual, converting single rooms into doubles, creating makeshift isolation facilities, buying nearby motels, and even erecting temporary wards in parking lots.

      Surgeons are alerting patients that elective procedures may have to be canceled.

      Hospitals will be short on space and equipment, and worst of all, short on staff.

      https://townhall.com/columnists/betsymccaughey/2020/03/11/good-and-bad-news-about-coronavirus-n2564377


    45. coldwarrior
      49 | March 11, 2020 10:27 am

      @ eaglesoars:

      sars and swine flu was far worse. this is an overreaction

      this is turning into a media driven circus.


    46. rain of lead
      52 | March 11, 2020 10:58 am

      while people talk about corona virus…

      https://www.cbsnews.com/news/un-climate-change-report-world-meteorological-organization/

      In a statement released with the report, the leader of the United Nations calls climate change “the defining challenge of our time” and said “time is fast running out for us to avert the worst impacts of climate disruption.”


    47. rain of lead
      53 | March 11, 2020 11:00 am

      off to wally world
      will report back of the things I see


    48. 54 | March 11, 2020 12:08 pm

      @ eaglesoars:
      According to Michael Mooreon, it’s Trump’s fault Sanders lost.


    49. eaglesoars
      55 | March 11, 2020 12:49 pm

      right_wing2 wrote:

      @ eaglesoars:
      According to Michael Mooreon, it’s Trump’s fault Sanders lost.

      I certainly hope so. Raging capitalism should whomp crochety communism every time.

      I have the secret to making the phone ring constantly

      Try to take a nap. Mia had me up at 4 am because the little imp wanted to PLAY. The A/C guy has been here, his company has called twice, 3 other calls I didn’t bother picking up and finally Hubby called to see if I remembered to tell the A/C guy to change the baffles. I hung up on him and unplugged the phone.

      good nite.


    50. eaglesoars
      56 | March 11, 2020 12:52 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      http://theconversation.com/coronavirus-ten-reasons-why-you-ought-not-to-panic-132941

      There’s an old brain teaser that goes like this: You have a pond of a certain size, and upon that pond, a single lilypad. This particular species of lily pad reproduces once a day, so that on day two, you have two lily pads. On day three, you have four, and so on.

      Now the teaser. “If it takes the lily pads 48 days to cover the pond completely, how long will it take for the pond to be covered halfway?”

      The answer is 47 days. Moreover, at day 40, you’ll barely know the lily pads are there.

      That grim math explains why so many people — including me — are worried about the novel coronavirus, which causes a disease known as covid-19. And why so many other people think we are panicking over nothing.

      https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/360987/


    51. coldwarrior
      57 | March 11, 2020 1:53 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      i know all about exponential math. i also know that it does not apply here. we know the numerator, but have no clue on the denominator.


    52. coldwarrior
      58 | March 11, 2020 2:09 pm

      @ coldwarrior:
      and i suspect that the denominator is much larger than we think


    53. coldwarrior
      59 | March 11, 2020 2:26 pm

      first case was 1/21/2020, that is 46 days ago. 46 exponential rounds of growth is is an absurd number.

      46 doubling rounds of growth…70,368,744,177,664‬…as in the lilly pads

      Total KNOWN cases: 938
      Total deaths: 29
      Over 46 days….with exponential growth, 938 would have been reached in about 9 days.

      the known cases is the issue. this is the same kind of virus as the cold or sars. how many cases don’t we know about that didnt need a hospital and just went on living.


    54. coldwarrior
      60 | March 11, 2020 3:00 pm

      “Hamsterkauf” in the German language means “panic buying.” The word comes from “hamstern” (hoarding) and “kaufen,” (to buy).

      Germans.☺


    55. eaglesoars
      61 | March 11, 2020 3:02 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      @ coldwarrior:
      and i suspect that the denominator is much larger than we think

      I laughed myself to sleep after I posted that. The other thing people seem to be focusing on is apparently Fauci said it’s 10% more lethal than the flu. Well, 2 things: the flu is POINT one percent, which brings this to one percent; and 2, if you don’t know the total number of cases, you don’t know that percentage anyway.

      My sister is trying to talk us out of flying to Knoxville (we’re going later this month to look at houses) because Hubby is 80 yrs old, I’m over 60 with a compromised immune system. I told her to stop treating statistics like the Oracles at Delphi and wash her hands.

      The other thing nobody is mentioning is cultural hygiene. I don’t just mean washing hands, I mean physical proximity. If you’ve ever been to Europe, everything is CLOSER. People walk differently because things are smaller. You can pick Americans out of a crowd because we walk differently and we walk differently, in part, because we’re accustomed to having space around us. Aussies are a lot like us in that respect, so let’s watch their stats.

      Gotta hand it to Bernie. He’s going to push Joe off the ledge.


    56. eaglesoars
      62 | March 11, 2020 3:10 pm

      Oh, yeah, the CPAC thing. One person who attended has tested positive. ONE. That was 13 days ago. Nobody else has, nobody even has sniffles. How many people were there?


    57. coldwarrior
      63 | March 11, 2020 3:19 pm

      @ eaglesoars:
      Yep. You can pick an American out in Europe a mile away.

      I never bothered to try to fit in either.


    58. rain of lead
      65 | March 11, 2020 4:17 pm

      Can’t wait for Joe to be on the campaign trail and someone asks him about his 2 new grandkids!

      “Hey Joe, what are the names of your 2 new grandkids”?


    59. Aussie Infidel
      66 | March 11, 2020 4:42 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      @ eaglesoars:
      Yep. You can pick an American out in Europe a mile away.

      I never bothered to try to fit in either.

      You can always tell Aussies…… but you can’t tell ’em much!

      The hop sodden elbows are a dead give away!

      HEH!

      🙂


    60. eaglesoars
      67 | March 11, 2020 4:47 pm

      good

      Supreme Court Allows Trump Administration to Maintain Remain-In-Mexico Immigration Policy
      High court allows administration to maintain policy during ongoing litigation

      https://www.wsj.com/articles/supreme-court-allows-trump-administration-to-maintain-remain-in-mexico-immigration-policy-11583949867


    61. 68 | March 11, 2020 4:52 pm

      @ rain of lead:
      😀


    62. 69 | March 11, 2020 5:01 pm

      @ Aussie Infidel:
      The Vogon Mind Ray will go away if you don’t think about it.


    63. lobo91
      70 | March 11, 2020 7:43 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      @ eaglesoars:
      Yep. You can pick an American out in Europe a mile away.

      I never bothered to try to fit in either.

      I remember back in the ’80s when they were debating issuing US military personnel German license plates for their POVs (which they did ultimately start doing, much later).

      There was a cartoon in Stars & Stripes of a guy in BDUs sitting in his Chevy 4×4 truck with German plates on it. The thought balloon said “I sure am glad they gave us German plates so we could blend in…”


    64. lobo91
      71 | March 11, 2020 8:03 pm

      Looks like my idiot governor decided to join the panic:

      Governor Lujan Grisham declares public health emergency following confirmed cases of coronavirus

      We have exactly 3 cases


    65. eaglesoars
      72 | March 11, 2020 8:33 pm

      More good

      Buy American’ — White House Confirms Executive Order That Will End Medical Supply Chain Reliance On China

      https://dailycaller.com/2020/03/11/white-house-executive-order-buy-american-coronavirus-medical-supply-chain-china/


    66. rain of lead
      73 | March 11, 2020 9:05 pm

      trump just closed the borders with europe


    67. eaglesoars
      74 | March 11, 2020 9:12 pm

      rain of lead wrote:

      trump just closed the borders with europe

      my jaw dropped


    68. AZfederalist
      75 | March 11, 2020 9:20 pm

      rain of lead wrote:

      “Hey Joe, what are the names of your 2 new grandkids”?

      Well, that’s hardly sporting


    69. AZfederalist
      76 | March 11, 2020 9:22 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      rain of lead wrote:

      trump just closed the borders with europe

      my jaw dropped

      Well. One of my colleagues was going to Spain next week for a family vacation. I guess not anymore


    70. lobo91
      77 | March 11, 2020 9:28 pm

      @ AZfederalist:

      Only if they want to come back…


    71. eaglesoars
      78 | March 11, 2020 9:37 pm

      NBA is suspending the season. Somebody on Utah Jazz has tested positive


    72. AZfederalist
      79 | March 11, 2020 9:45 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      NBA is suspending the season. Somebody on Utah Jazz has tested positive

      That’s going to seriously impact some folks economically. Not just the bigwigs, but the vendors and those who work for them.


    73. eaglesoars
      81 | March 11, 2020 9:50 pm

      Trump seemed tired


    74. Aussie Infidel
      82 | March 11, 2020 10:00 pm

      Bunk X wrote:

      @ Aussie Infidel:
      The Vogon Mind Ray will go away if you don’t think about it.

      Frankly I blame the Vorgons for everything except Covid19!

      Xi has to shoulder that one on his own bloody shoulders!

      🙂


    75. eaglesoars
      83 | March 11, 2020 10:02 pm

      and Trump has cancelled trips to Nevada & Colorado


    76. lobo91
      84 | March 11, 2020 10:03 pm

      If they cancel the Dallas Guitar Festival I’m going to be pissed.


    77. eaglesoars
      85 | March 11, 2020 10:05 pm

      So I don’t understand. Why NOT ban travel from UK, Hong Kong, Japan, etc.? Perhaps because they can’t trace any U.S. cases to sources there?


    78. eaglesoars
      86 | March 11, 2020 10:07 pm

      lobo91 wrote:

      If they cancel the Dallas Guitar Festival I’m going to be pissed.

      The NBA couldn’t sell any tickets because people are avoiding crowds. Your mileage may vary.

      I expect to have the plane to Knoxville to ourselves. If they don’t cancel the flight outright


    79. AZfederalist
      87 | March 11, 2020 10:11 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      I expect to have the plane to Knoxville to ourselves. If they don’t cancel the flight outright

      One of our people is traveling next week. He said his flight was re-scheduled a couple of times. He thinks the airline canceled a number of flights and consolidated passengers.


    80. 88 | March 11, 2020 10:11 pm

      @ eaglesoars:
      Mark Levin had caller that suggested exactly that. Levin’s response was “What about the young mother of 5 who traveled to visit her 80 year old mom?”


    81. lobo91
      89 | March 11, 2020 10:13 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      I already have tickets, plane tickets, a hotel room, a rental car…


    82. eaglesoars
      90 | March 11, 2020 10:17 pm

      @ AZfederalist:

      We’re both high risk. We don’t really care. Life is high risk, there are things we want to do. If we were sick, that would be different. We both, because of our various issues, are zealous handwashers anyway. In the 6 years since I was diagnosed, I’ve only been sick once. And that’s because my dog was really sick.

      Does anyone ask the percentage of the high risk population DOESN’T get sick? sheesh


    83. eaglesoars
      91 | March 11, 2020 10:19 pm

      lobo91 wrote:

      @ eaglesoars:

      I already have tickets, plane tickets, a hotel room, a rental car…

      zactly. Can’t quit until they make you


    84. AZfederalist
      92 | March 11, 2020 10:34 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      Yep, you can’t let stuff stop you from living your life.


    85. AZfederalist
      93 | March 11, 2020 10:36 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Hubby is 80 yrs old, I’m over 60 with a compromised immune system.

      Your husband is 80 and still working? I hope it is at something he enjoys doing.


    86. eaglesoars
      94 | March 11, 2020 10:37 pm

      I just want to note the irony of the NBA having to suspend its season due to a virus let loose by a country they spend a good deal of their credibility sucking up to.

      just sayin’


    87. eaglesoars
      95 | March 11, 2020 10:41 pm

      Of course she did. Spousal privilege.

      BREAKING: Ilhan Omar just announced that she got married.

      She married the campaign mgr guy who was divorced by his wife for having an affair with Omar.

      https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1237917603752017921


    88. eaglesoars
      96 | March 11, 2020 10:42 pm

      Update. The Cleveland Clinic has developed a COVID 19 test that gives results in 8 hours as opposed to the 2-3 days it takes for the other tests.
      They developed the test in NINE days, I repeat nine. Scientists worked 24/7 once the CDC gave them the okay on 3/2.

      https://twitter.com/AndreaR9Md/status/1237879211840303104


    89. eaglesoars
      97 | March 11, 2020 10:45 pm

      I think Trump should wonder out loud on twitter if he should postpone the elections to protect Americans from COVID-19.

      Just for the hell of it. Watching the libs lose their minds is probably the best entertainment we can get if we all have to be shut inside


    90. eaglesoars
      98 | March 11, 2020 10:47 pm

      AZfederalist wrote:

      Your husband is 80 and still working? I hope it is at something he enjoys doing.

      He’s a lobbyist and he loves it. But it’s time to quit, this is his last year. He left the house at 9 this morning and got home at 8:15. Has another mtg on the Hill at 10 am tomorrow. Born and raised on a dairy farm, farmed himself for years, hard work is 2nd nature to him. But at 80, it’s enough. He’s looking forward to kicking back in Knoxville


    91. AZfederalist
      99 | March 11, 2020 10:52 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      He’s a lobbyist and he loves it. But it’s time to quit, this is his last year. He left the house at 9 this morning and got home at 8:15. Has another mtg on the Hill at 10 am tomorrow. Born and raised on a dairy farm, farmed himself for years, hard work is 2nd nature to him. But at 80, it’s enough. He’s looking forward to kicking back in Knoxville

      Good for him, sounds like he is getting to do what he wants to do and enjoys.


    92. Aussie Infidel
      100 | March 11, 2020 11:28 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Just for the hell of it. Watching the libs lose their minds is probably the best entertainment we can get if we all have to be shut inside

      Just let slip that the elections have been postponed until 2030. The exploding heads would be a sight for sore eyes!

      HEH!

      🙂

      Tom Hanks and wife have been isolated in University Hospital on the Gold Coast 80 miles south of Brisbane. Apparently they were visiting warner’s studios to discuss delays in the beginning of the shoot of an Elvis movie. They have been locked away now for 14 days!

      Unsure where they contracted the Corona virus as it is currently VERY rare in the South Queensland region. They may have become infected before they left home in California, and only presented once they arrived in Oz, thankfully, on their private jet! Associates at the Warner studios on the Gold Coast are now being tested and face quarantine as well.


    93. Aussie Infidel
      101 | March 11, 2020 11:30 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      He’s a lobbyist and he loves it.

      Who does he lobby for>


    94. eaglesoars
      102 | March 12, 2020 7:34 am

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      eaglesoars wrote:

      He’s a lobbyist and he loves it.

      Who does he lobby for>

      sorry, lost the innernut connection last nite. Agriculture, mostly dairy farmers, some ‘sustainable’ ag. He used to lobby for the organic guys, helped write the organic regs, but he got fed up with their pissy little egos. Going out for a meal with them was an exercise in religious zealotry.


    95. eaglesoars
      103 | March 12, 2020 8:28 am

      ‘Taken unilaterally and without consultation’: European Commission denounces Trump’s travel ban

      get used to it

      https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/taken-unilaterally-and-without-consultation-european-commission-denounces-trumps-travel-ban


    96. RIX
      104 | March 12, 2020 8:33 am

      https://dailycaller.com/2020/03/11/don-lemon-flips-out-john-kasich-donald-trump-coronavirus-speech/
      @ Daily Caller
      Watch arrogant Don Lemon go off on Kasich. Lemon wants more Trump hate damn it!


    97. Buckeye Abroad
      105 | March 12, 2020 8:51 am

      coldwarrior wrote:

      @ eaglesoars:
      Yep. You can pick an American out in Europe a mile away.
      I never bothered to try to fit in either.

      I get identified without saying a word and I have been living here +20 years.

      My wife once said “you are so American you radiate it. In Moscow they would pick you out by the 3rd metro stop. You Americans act like you own the world.”

      I said, “No. That’s the British. Americans walk through the world and do not give a damn who owns it. And we like to fight.”


    98. Buckeye Abroad
      106 | March 12, 2020 9:04 am

      @ coldwarrior:

      Russians love their patriachal strong men as long as the have food on the shelves and 2 rubles to rub together.


    99. eaglesoars
      107 | March 12, 2020 9:44 am

      RIX wrote:

      https://dailycaller.com/2020/03/11/don-lemon-flips-out-john-kasich-donald-trump-coronavirus-speech/
      @ Daily Caller
      Watch arrogant Don Lemon go off on Kasich. Lemon wants more Trump hate damn it!

      If you listened to the speech and you don’t know what was said, it’s the fault of the speaker? Only if it’s Joe Biden doing the talking, who doesn’t know where he is, what he’s running for, and think’s there’s “the other Biden”.


    100. 108 | March 12, 2020 9:52 am

      And again, like Venus on the half shell, I emerge from my forced exile due to trial prep….

      I swear…watching the MSM follow that cruise ship into the Port of Oakland made me shake my head. “There they ARE!!!!” 14 infected passengers in isolation on a boat of 3500 and they’re turning it into the Voyage of the Damned.


    101. 109 | March 12, 2020 9:54 am

      @ eaglesoars:

      And the Bad Orange Man called it a “foreign virus” which of course gave Acosta the vapors and allowed him to use “xenophobia” in a sentence once again.

      But by all means let’s listen to Ben Rhodes and Chuck Schumer instead of Johns Hopkins, who says “it’s a flu. Take precautions.”

      Oh and the fact that we’re pointing out that the average age of victim dying of this is 80 is showing how we don’t give a crap about old people.


    102. 110 | March 12, 2020 9:58 am

      By the way – can SOMEONE explain what the run on TOILET PAPER is all about. I haven’t been able to follow a whole lot of news in the last week but what I did see was to slam the Bad Orange Man.

      Are people wrapping themselves in it or something? Geez people, it’s for wiping your damn BUTT.


    103. eaglesoars
      111 | March 12, 2020 10:55 am

      The Barbarian wrote:

      And the Bad Orange Man called it a “foreign virus” which of course gave Acosta the vapors and allowed him to use “xenophobia” in a sentence once again.

      somebody went thru Acosta’s twitter TL and found something he tweeted a month or so ago where he called it the Wuhan virus – and sent it in to Chris Plante.

      As for the toilet paper, it’s going to the black market to sell at 10x the price to stupid people.

      This thing isn’t the flu. We already have almost 20k dead from the flu here in the U.S. I got another hysterical email from my sister saying we should re-think getting on a plane as Fauci said it’s 10x more lethal than the flu. I said 10 x .1 (flu) = 1 and even that is unknown because THERE’S NO DENOMINATOR!!

      However, when I got the hotel rooms in Knoxville, I got rooms with kitchens so we don’t have to go out to restaurants, where you run into people with snot-nosed, gooey 3 year olds having temper tantrums, forget COVID-19


    104. eaglesoars
      112 | March 12, 2020 11:03 am

      This is the pig Ben Rhoades last nite

      Imagine how different this would be if Barack Obama was President. Then ask what the 8 year Republican-Trump meltdown about Obama was all about.

      https://twitter.com/brhodes/status/1237939002017075202

      Obama and swine flu –

      In 2009 alone (it continued into 2010) 22 million infected, 4000 dead. Taking 2010 into account, estimates mid-range over 50-60 million infected. That’s 20% of the population.

      So everybody can just back it down


    105. eaglesoars
      113 | March 12, 2020 11:06 am

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Taking 2010 into account, estimates mid-range over 50-60 million infected

      and by the end of 2010, about 12.5k dead.


    106. 114 | March 12, 2020 11:12 am

      @ eaglesoars:

      I don’t even recall Fauci saying it was 10x worse than the the flu. I remember some other idiot named Nancy at the CDC saying EVERYONE in the U.S. would get it.

      I’ll got with Johns Hopkins’ position: “It’s a bad flu. Wash your hands.”


    107. RIX
      115 | March 12, 2020 11:16 am

      @ eaglesoars:
      Yeah, Don Lemon is a deadly combination of Hackery and stupidity.


    108. eaglesoars
      116 | March 12, 2020 11:21 am

      The Barbarian wrote:

      Nancy at the CDC saying EVERYONE in the U.S. would get it.

      Did you know she’s Rod Rosenstein’s sister?


    109. eaglesoars
      117 | March 12, 2020 11:24 am

      Rod J. Rosenstein was born in Philadelphia on January 13, 1965,[15][16] to Robert, who ran a small business, and Gerri Rosenstein, a bookkeeper and local school board president. He grew up in Lower Moreland Township, Pennsylvania.[17] He has one sister, Dr. Nancy Messonnier, director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.[18][19]

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_Rosenstein


    110. coldwarrior
      118 | March 12, 2020 11:31 am

      Buckeye Abroad wrote:

      @ coldwarrior:

      Russians love their patriachal strong men as long as the have food on the shelves and 2 rubles to rub together.

      bingo


    111. coldwarrior
      119 | March 12, 2020 11:34 am

      back from second biopsy. propofol (milk of amnesia) is amazing stuff, PET scan all clear except the neck…

      ENT and ONC next week and we start cutting and chemo/rad


    112. eaglesoars
      120 | March 12, 2020 11:38 am

      coldwarrior wrote:

      Buckeye Abroad wrote:

      @ coldwarrior:

      Russians love their patriachal strong men as long as the have food on the shelves and 2 rubles to rub together.

      bingo

      forgot the vodka part

      Tump is about to speak. Speculation he shuts down the stock market?


    113. eaglesoars
      121 | March 12, 2020 11:40 am

      coldwarrior wrote:

      propofol (milk of amnesia) is amazing stuff,

      I LOVE that drug, the only thing is that when I get it it’s to knock me out so I get about 4 nano seconds of a great high, then – the void.

      After that I’ll take the valium, please, yes, thank you


    114. eaglesoars
      122 | March 12, 2020 12:34 pm

      Big news from the Biden campaign. Knowing they aren’t ready to take on Trump in the current configuration, they’ve switched out campaign managers. Anita Dunn will move over to ‘advisor’. Greg Schultz will move to ‘organizational planning’. Coming in to replace them both is Jen O’Malley Dillon.

      Sound familiar? She was the campaign mgr for – wait for it – Beta O’Rourke.

      Top. People.

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/joe-biden-appoints-jen-omalley-dillon-as-new-campaign-manager/2020/03/12/9fbde70e-63fd-11ea-845d-e35b0234b136_story.html


    115. coldwarrior
      123 | March 12, 2020 1:03 pm

      @ eaglesoars:
      Got me some of that ‘just in case’


    116. coldwarrior
      124 | March 12, 2020 1:17 pm

      @ eaglesoars:
      Vodka is food…sooooo…..


    117. eaglesoars
      125 | March 12, 2020 1:22 pm

      @ coldwarrior:

      the results of the scan sound very good. Did you get your med marijuana script? I seem to remember you said you were going to but couldn’t remember if you did.

      Also, wanted to show you this. The industrialists of Pittsburgh/western PA are fighting back against the greenies. This is very good, more people should do it.

      Pennsylvania unions and CEOs launch pro-energy campaign to counter environmentalists

      “We think that you can have a balance of good-paying jobs and a clean environment and we need to get our message out to the public using research and facts that shows that the natural gas industry, the steel industry, manufacturing and other things which seem to be under attack today from the Left are important, provide good jobs, and are not destroying the environment,” Kunz explained.

      the piece is by Salena Zito, so you know it’s straight up

      https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/pennsylvania-unions-and-ceos-launch-pro-energy-campaign-to-counter-environmentalists


    118. eaglesoars
      126 | March 12, 2020 1:41 pm

      Oh man……….

      Brian Stelter, CNN

      Trump’s Oval Office address was exactly what his Fox wingmen needed – now Sean Hannity et al can celebrate the new travel ban – while evading the real scourge of community spread within the US

      Emerald Robinson, Newsmax

      No one can hear you now because the airports are empty.

      https://twitter.com/EmeraldRobinson/status/1237979741552095233

      off to finish my errands……………


    119. coldwarrior
      127 | March 12, 2020 1:52 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Did you get your med marijuana script? I seem to remember you said you were going to but couldn’t remember if you did.

      my card gets here early net week


    120. 128 | March 12, 2020 2:17 pm

      I interviewed for a position today for a job that would be transcribing calls for the heart of hearing. The pay is $11 an hour, which would be a nearly $7000 a year pay cut. I can’t afford that!


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