The PA governor more or less shut down the whole state to ruin us deplorables. And none of our big mouth GOPsters in the state house or senate even said a word.
Day 8 of the Great American Lock-down
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We're not easily offended and don't want people to think they have to walk on eggshells around here (like at another place that shall remain nameless) but of course, there is a limit to everything.
Play nice!
A very fun read today, as it’s almost a month old.
The Missionary Virus
https://americanmind.org/essays/rip-globalism-dead-of-coronavirus/
These experts hold their ideas because those ideas are hypotheses that have succeeded in the scientific marketplace of ideas. For those who spent high school smoking out behind the goalposts, this is how all scientific “truth” is established. If this process did not work, your computer would not work. But if it broke, not even everywhere—would your computer break? In a doctrinally homogeneous scientific market where every expert is or must pretend to be an adherent of some doctrine—whether Christian, Communist, or Nazi—ideas may earn as many points for doctrinal as logical strength. As we learned from the 20th-century regimes in which power distorted science, this bias, iterated, can evolve almost arbitrary levels of consensus error. Even good, red-blooded American ideas, such as internationalism, are capable of catalyzing this reaction
Susan Collins just bitch-slipped Cardin and Shaheen on the Senate floor for negotiating in bad faith.
I think a lot of formerly cordial relationships have been trashed beyond repair.
http://click1.e.westernjournalism.com/chjljkvgrckfjklsfghtkfktkhfhqzpvqvcmhlzthcmljtm_mtdycbpcntlcnstpbpsww.html
@ Gateway Pundit
Hmm, is there a rift developing between Dr Fauci and the White House?
Pelosi is trying to get her own bill passed. It started at over 1200 pages (which tells you they didn’t just throw it together over the weekend) and includes things like solar subsidies, zero emissions regs for airlines, unlimited union pensions benefits (which will be fun when the businesses close and the unions are kaput).
That was an hour ago. It’s now up to about 1400 pages and includes community newspapers and post office bailouts
https://twitter.com/mamahorbs/status/1242146813383237634
RIX wrote:
No, and people who keep repeating that crap are either deliberately misrepresenting what they’ve heard/read or are stupid. I tried to get Mark Levin’s interview w/Fauci but Fox has blocked it for copyright stuff.
eaglesoars wrote:
No rift would be good.
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/03/23/painful-to-watch-joe-bidens-coronavirus-briefing-couldnt-have-been-more-awkward/
@ Twitchy
Biden first Coronavirus briefing does not go well.
Pelosi blackmail. This was posted 15 mins ago
We are in a public health crisis.
Drop the lawsuit that destroys the Affordable Care Act and protections for people with pre-existing conditions.
https://twitter.com/TeamPelosi/status/1242155999949197316
@ eaglesoars:
The comments thread is a dumpster fire
@ eaglesoars:
Dems are satan
RIX wrote:
no matter the thread, comments supporting this all cite the myth that the Rs were passing a bill to bail out Trump’s companies. It’s true that his companies may be eligible but the myth is that’s what the bill is mainly for, the rest is just cover.
It doesn’t matter that it’s not true (which they probably know). And please note that Trump has ALWAYS supported coverage for pre-existing conditions. That is a blatant lie.
I’ve looked thru a few things that have been posted and the one that frightens me the most is that mandatory early voting, mandatory mail in voting, etc – it’s just rife with voter fraud loopholes.
Somebody had a good suggestion. Have McConnell at today’s briefing with Trump and let him tell how all this went down.
@ eaglesoars:
Yeah, they are mischarecterizing Trums position on pre existing conditions. It’s sophistry.
Here is another BS piece trying to portray Trump and Fauci at odds. Axios, of course.
President Trump and some of his senior officials are losing patience with the doctors’ orders.
No one has ever said that or shown that.
Why it matters: Taken together, Trump’s tweet and Pence’s comment supply the strongest public signals we’ve seen that the administration is looking for ways to get people out in the world again to fire up the economy — perhaps much sooner than Dr. Fauci would like.
Perhaps? Did you call him for comment on the piece or did you just decide to speak for him?
Between the lines: Senior Trump officials, including the president himself, have only limited patience for keeping the economy shut down. They are watching stocks tumble and unemployment skyrocket
That’s not between the lines, you morons, it’s in Trump’s tweet which you cited in the beginning of the article.
Fauci, btw, is quoted nowhere in this, nor is any other doc. But let’s set up a War of the Roses scenario because ORANGE MAN BAD – and we’re bored.
I’m pretty sure the PA Surgeon Transgenderal is a moron.
WaPo’s Congressional reporter, Paul Kane, is a pig
He told us the other day his biggest personal concern was not getting this because his wife has MS. Now he can’t see her for almost 2 weeks.
He’s blaming Rand Paul for Romney not being able to see Ann.
But Nancy Pelosi’s spawn, Christine, is not letting the family reputation for being total scum down
Rand Paul’s neighbor was right
https://twitter.com/sfpelosi/status/1241871541597437952
Oh sure, OBVIOUSLY
Trump obviously has invested (through his sons no doubt) in the companies that make “HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE & AZITHROMYCIN”.
I would be really surprised if they do anything but fill Trump’s pockets
https://twitter.com/realdawnhoward/status/1241370847388016640
It’s also OBVIOUS that Trump does not invest AND that these drugs are generic and sell for next to nothing. Of course, once these drugs start actually curing people, she’ll figure out something else.
Here is the Levin interview w/Fauci I was looking for earlier that Fox had embargoed. He clearly states he’s never had a problem with Trump.
https://www.weaselzippers.us/445940-dr-anthony-fauci-trump-has-never-overruled-me-or-contradicted-the-science/
Oh, lookie here!! The Dems are trying to sneak cyber currency in there
“The term ‘digital dollar wallet’ shall mean a digital wallet or account, maintained by a Federal Reserve bank on behalf of any person….”
https://twitter.com/JohnBasham/status/1242228000655015937/photo/2
Our county commission has recommended a stay at home order beginning Wednesday. No sunset on it. There is a fairly extensive list of what would be considered exempt businesses, but the effect would still be devastating on the economy.
I’m still trying to understand why there is such mass hysteria in response to the coronavirus when compared to the response to swine flu about a decade ago.
How did these morons make it thru the birth canal?
John Kennedy on Tucker
right_wing2 wrote:
because flu patients don’t show up at the hospitals all at once needing specialized equipment/nursing/PPE stuff.
It’s the ‘all at once’ overwhelming the med system. And this appears to be HIGHLY infectious. I heard a doc earlier say he walks out of hospital after a shift (NYC) and sees all the people on the street ignoring Cuomo’s plea to stay home and wonders if they understand on any level that they could kill him.
So…our “stay at home” order starts tomorrow morning. Not sure what it really means for most people, since it has exceptions for just about anyplace you’d be likely to go (that’s still open).
Our corporate office sent us all a handy “get out of lockdown” letter to show people, just in case.
@ right_wing2:
“Overwhelm the system,” said Cloward to Piven.
WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE USA?
Those whom the gods wish to destroy they first make mad!
Shoot 95% of the jurists would be a good start. Your country will get on a LOT better with 5% of the current lawyers.
Bring charges against corrupt Congress critters.
Destroy the DC lobbying crews (sorry Eagles) but they can’t help corrupting the system
Prohibit all omnibus bills. They encourage corruption and pork barrelling but nobody inside the political bubble cares because they are on the take for power and $$$$
I want to see elitists wearing orange jump suits and serving serious jail time for their wickness. (start with the Clintons and Bushes.)
Sheesh Guys. And you keep up the chant ‘we are the greatest’ Keep it up . You might even believe it someday!
Oh and PASS THE BLOODY COVID 19 BILL got God’s sake
What sort of people are you?
Sheesh!
lobo91 wrote:
Invade the lobby of the NYT.
March ALL of the denizens onto the roof. Line them up and throw every tenth person off the roof.
Then tell the survivors to go back to work and become a newspaper again!
T^he Roman Leagionnaries knew how ro pull a broken system back into line.
🙂
Moving to Level Four in 24 hours.
Total lockdown.
Police and if necessary troops on the streets to enforce compliance.
You allowed to send one person per house to shop at supermarkets and Pharmacies and fill up at gas stations.
You’re allowed to walk outside to take the air reasonably close to your residence. Keep 2 metres from all people not your family members. No visiting. All non-essential businesses closed. Tax holidays and relief. Subsidies to protect business from going broke. Mortgage holidays to prevent people losing homes. Rent controls.
Current Level 4 restrictions in effect for 1 month at which time progress on virus reduction by social distancing will be re-assessed.
I think we are looking at being restricted to home for at least 3 months as we are coming into winter. Pharmacies have been authorised to give early historical flu vaccines, to vulnerable and core emergence workers.
Got 1 1/2 feet of books to read and a beach 50 feet away to exercise on and wood enough to heat us through the winter and 6 months vittles stored.
Ready!
When a State gets to the stage where the opposition political parties reach the stage of rather seeing millions die for ideological reasons … it’s time to destroy enough of one side to allow the other to break they logjam.
@ Aussie Infidel:
G’day mate. We are going nuts here. Hoarding toilet paper, brutal fights at a. Costco over a bottle of wine, Hawaii is threatening jail time for disobedient citizens, Democrats demanding that corporate boards diversify and more money for the Kennedy Center and wind farms etc. Glorious Revolution comrades!
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/03/23/msnbcs-joe-scarborough-says-all-networks-should-cut-away-from-presidents-coronavirus-briefing/
@ Twitchy
Time for censorship! Free speech is the enemy of the people, “once we have perfected speech the Revolution will be complete.”
@ RIX:
good morning. pfft on Scarborough, it’s Valerie Jarrett for the win
“Chloroquine has been touted by President Donald Trump as a possible treatment for Covid-19, but it’s also an additive commonly used at aquariums to clean fish tanks…But the FDA has not approved it to treat the coronavirus.” Listen to #fauci.
https://twitter.com/ValerieJarrett/status/1242294905805910016
@ eaglesoars:
This is so dishonest. It is a common malari med. if you ingest too much of anything you can harm yourself.
These would be measured prescribed doses. Hell chemotherapy is actual poison and nobody wants to block that.
I don’t have a medical degree but neither does Jarret.
just an fyi. posted 8 mins ago
The Defense Production Act is in full force, but haven’t had to use it because no one has said NO! Millions of masks coming as back up to States.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1242421041193988096
must be off. TA!
RIX wrote:
My evaluation of the human race, never glorious to begin with, has pretty much cratered since Trump was elected and Twitter provided the microscope.
eaglesoars wrote:
Yeah, “Orange Man Bad” seems to excuse bad behavior and dishonesty.
https://townhall.com/columnists/derekhunter/2020/03/24/draft-n2565555
@ Town Hall
There are three music rules to live by,
1 never eat yellow snow.
2. Don’t fuck with Marcellus Wallace?
3 never and this is important. Never give authority to lunatics.
I hope Trump tells them that he will not sign anything but a clean bill spelling out relief for business and Americans that are OUT OF WORK – in the form of 100% of salary unemployment benefits. If you’re still fully employed and getting a paycheck, you should not be receiving anything.
This morning I came into the office in Oakland because some things need to be done from the all-powerful 2-screen desktop that pulls on every program and app we have at the firm. Not possible to do on the remote access. I literally had to have “papers” permitting me to travel to/from the office in case I was stopped by a police officer.
Forget Caracas. We’re Havana.
eaglesoars wrote:
I could excuse the crazies – constant exposure to their rampant loony in the Bay Area has diminished my ability to get excited. Watching the press and the idjits on Twitter act so disappointed that there may be a light at the end of the tunnel is disgusting.
And I LOVE that the President laid down the law an told corporations that if there was a government subsidy coming their way, they were explicitly forbidden to purchase back their own stock.
And Peter Schweitzer has the lowdown on the members of Congress that sold off early on the stock market, and are now claiming complete innocence, claiming “blind trust”. Yeah, sure….I’m willing to bet there was a boatload of “Blue Horseshoe LOVES Anacott Steel” phone calls after every closed door briefing.
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/03/24/narrative-busted-in-new-interview-dr-fauci-makes-it-clear-he-thinks-the-media-is-trying-to-pit-him-against-president-trump/
@ Twitchy
Dr fauci accuses the Media of trying to pit he and the President against each other.
@ The Barbarian:
Did you know Jennifer Rubin graduated first in her law class at Berkeley?
Me neither. Says all ya need to know about Berkeley.
She was a labor/employment lawyer for Hollywood studios for over 20 yrs.
I wonder if you have any mutual acquaintances?
@ RIX:
toldja
somebody in my timeline tweeted that only 2 mutations have been found in the US, 5 other places.
Welp. Now they’ve got 40
Scientists in Iceland claim they have found FORTY mutations of the coronavirus – and admit seven cases can be traced back to ‘a football match in England’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8146565/Scientists-Iceland-claim-FORTY-mutations-coronavirus.html
Trump is having a town hall on Fox and he is DEFINITELY in the ‘we have to shut down the country for THIS??’ camp. Pence, Brix and the Surgeon General are also there.
And he just nailed Cuomo. Instead of buying ventilators in 2015 he set up lotteries. If you saw Cuomo’s speech earlier, he tried to nail the feds for not giving them ventilators.
Trump is adamant. “No. We have to put our country back to work”
His target date is Apr 12. Easter.
eaglesoars wrote:
KYRIE ELEISON!
@ The Barbarian:
yeppers!
eaglesoars wrote:
Yes you did
this is good
IBM’s supercomputer ‘Summit’ has identified 77 existing drugs that could tackle coronavirus
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8146867/IBMs-upercomputer-Summit-identified-77-existing-drugs-tackle-coronavirus.html
@ eaglesoars:
Oh don’t tell the media. They’ll claim it’s giving false hope, practicing medicine without a license and dooming hundreds of millions of people in the US alone.
RIX wrote:
In worst case drive a nail into the wall, punch a hole in the corner of a phone book and there you go. Toilet paper for a year!
🙂
Run a book on the fights at the Toilet roll shelves and make dome money on the side!
HEH
eaglesoars wrote:
More false news !
Read propaganda!
There is a LOT of that going around these days.
🙂
Seriously Eagles we are getting anti-Trump propaganda here in the NZ Herald (Pravda on the Waitamata) that Trump is rolling back industry shutdown for non-essential industries. If true that would be a serious error.
With this it’s
Go Early
Go Hard
Keep it up until you WIN
🙂
@ Aussie Infidel:
what the hell is a phonebook?
those things only exist in movies
welp, schools are shut down until april 24th
Pelosi has said she will support the SENATE bill she torpedoed the other day and try to get it passed by unanimous consent, meaning House members can vote w/o coming to the Hill
I don’t know who had what on her but Fox just ran a clip of her denying responsibility for the bill, saying “Oh, I never would have put THAT in there”. I’m sure the media will memory-hole her blackmailing yesterday saying “drop the lawsuit against the affordable care act”
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/362522/
right_wing2 wrote:
I follow some people that focus on Pittsburgh history. One of them retweeted a media type saying there should be no more broadcasts of Trump’s pressers as all he did was spew misinformation. “Absolutely!” in agreement. This was right after that 2 hr marathon presser yesterday. So I asked him exactly what misinformation had been disseminated at that presser.
Coward blocked me. I was polite, I wasn’t snarky, I even said please. These people melt like the wicked witch getting bombed with a bucket of water when confronted. They got nuthin’. At most, they come back at you w/ad homenim arguments and start spitting.
Target practice.
I have no idea what this means but it’s probably important. OTOH, we could end up as a black hole tomorrow.
Harvard researchers found a way to correct for signal loss with a prototype quantum node that can catch, store and entangle bits of quantum information. The research is the missing link towards a practical quantum internet and a major step forward in the development of long-distance quantum networks
https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/fo2u4q/harvard_researchers_found_a_way_to_correct_for/
Oh, lookie here! If you watched Trump’s town hall, he went after Cuomo saying he could have bought ventilators in 2015. And he handed a document to Bill Hemmer that everybody forgot about. This – I’m guessing – is the document.
<These FAQS answer commonly asked questions about the 2015 Ventilator Allocation Guidelines (The Guidelines). For a comprehensive overview, see the Executive Summary of the Guidelines.
Q. Can the State stockpile as many ventilators as would be needed in a severe pandemic?
Even if New York State purchases additional ventilators, the demand would quickly outpace supply in a severe pandemic. No matter how matter ventilators are available, in a severe pandemic there will be shortages because so many people will be sick at the same time. In addition, even with enough ventilators, a sufficient number of trained staff may not be available to operate them, particularly because health care workers will be among the ill.
KABOOMSKI!!!
https://www.health.ny.gov/regulations/task_force/reports_publications/docs/ventilator_guidelines_faqs.pdf
https://pjmedia.com/trending/winning-dow-posts-record-2100-point-gain-as-trump-sets-tentative-deadline-to-reopen-america/
The stock market rallied following President Donald Trump’s statement that he hopes to “reopen America” by Easter Sunday in what Fox News’s Bill Hemmer described as a “Great American Resurrection.” The stocks also seem to have responded to news that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) was dropping her Christmas wish-list bill and decided to make a deal on the Senate stimulus package Democrats twice rejected on Sunday and Monday.
In the last hour of trading, the Dow Jones Industrial Average jumped a record-breaking 2,112 points in the largest one-day gain ever, Fox News reported. This represented an 11 percent gain, while the S&P 500 gained 9.3 percent and the Nasdaq rose more than 8.1 percent.
and then watch it get tanked again
rain of lead wrote:
I still get a new one every year.
Pence speaking: Apple is opening its warehouse and opening 9 million N95 masks.
Why does Apple have 9 million masks?
eaglesoars wrote:
DONATING masks, not opening masks
eaglesoars wrote:
And why did FAcebook have 700k? And after Barr said if he found anybody stockpiling this stuff, there was going to be a knock on the door.
@ eaglesoars:
I guess that begs the question “what’s the point of buying any violators, since demand will outstrip the supply anyway? “
This is Trump’s fault too of course.
https://www.weaselzippers.us/446008-federal-stockpile-of-n95-masks-was-depleted-under-obama-and-never-restocked/
right_wing2 wrote:
I dunno, especially since the Bur. of Prisons seems to be letting them out for free.
And in our UNEXPECTEDLY file for today
Communist Quality Control: Beijing Sends 150,000 Wuhan Virus Testing Kits to Prague, 80% Fail
Stupidity is its own punishment
https://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/communist-quality-control-beijing-sends-150000-wuhan-virus-testing-kits-to-prague-80-fail/
right_wing2 wrote:
I have been advised that because Apple’s manufacturing process requires clean rooms, those masks are needed.
Facebook, however……..
@ eaglesoars:
I really wonder if some of these people even know what a ventilator is? They seem to think it’s something they could pass out at Walgreens, like a blood glucose monitor.
WTH would NYC even do with 30,000 of them if they had them?
lobo91 wrote:
Also, I’m assuming they’re not re-usable. And you do need trained personal to use them, so……..
Of all the people who get sick, I don’t know of an analysis that shows % of who needs hospitalization, intubation, ventilation. Does everybody need all 3?
I have no clue how these numbers work
rain of lead wrote:
April 10th here, just got the announcement from Governor Dipshit.
@ eaglesoars:
They’re durable medical devices, not single-use items. They can be reused (the main unit, not the part that gets stuck down a patient’s throat). https://mfimedical.com/products/allied-healthcare-mcv100-portable-mass-casualty-ventilator?variant=591444410382
@ lobo91:
thanks!
@ eaglesoars:
The machine on the blue stand is a ventilator, it is able to be reused on patients.
https://images.app.goo.gl/Bvz7BoyNTDRY6jCt7
The white hoses coming from the machine are disposable and not reused on patients. The little tube taped to the patients mouth has to be passed through the trachea into the lungs and that is disposable too. It’s called an endotracheal tube or, for short, an ETT.
The problem with just saying, just make more ventilators is not taking into account the available of trained personnel to run them. Most nurses in the hospital have no clue how to take care of a patient on one. Cold Warrior is an exception, not the norm for nurses.
eaglesoars wrote:
I’m not the only one who needs more clarity
Active Coronavirus numbers don’t even approach last years flu season- 60 million cases, 257K hospitalizations and 18K+ deaths (CDC).
Currently we have 1175 hospitalizations and 696 deaths due to COVID-19 and over 70% of deaths are in CA, NY, WA.
In a nation of 330 million!
https://twitter.com/TheScalpeledge/status/1242608644572790785
But we need to know the TOTAL # of hospitalizations that the 696 deaths are derived from and nobody has that?
@ eaglesoars:
I should also note that in about 6 days we should start seeing numbers from the drug treatment as it started today. The numbers we have now are numbers with no pharm treatment
lobo91 wrote:
Well, that’s mighty white of him.
eaglesoars wrote:
Nor how many were already at-risk patients. The numbers are not telling the whole story. … and those numbers seem aimed to panic — that’s over 50% fatality rate
@ Calo:
Oh Hi Calo! I missed your post somehow.
I had a friend on a ventilator and my understanding is that those things are not fun to insert and misery to live on. I assume at some point in the cycle, some hygenic measures are necessary and you have to do it all again.
My BFF was a burn unit nurse for decades. She’s told me some nightmares…
AZfederalist wrote:
Yeah, the death count is ‘to date’, the hospital count is ‘today’. I didn’t post the entire thread so that wasn’t clear in that single post.
I want to know the percentage of hospitalization to the infected of flu patients and I want to know what the date boundaries are for flu. If we have a 36k death count, that averages to 3k a month if you use 12 months. But the flu season doesn’t run 12 mos, so what’s the avg monthly death count for the flu?
@ eaglesoars:
Hygenic measures are needed, but does not consist of reitubation or reinserting the endotrachael tube. Those white hoses are usually pitched every 72-96 hours for a new set depending on a hospital’s protocol, which can vary. It is done within 15-30 seconds. ETT are good for a few weeks, about the duration a COVID-19 patient might need ventilation.
Never worked with burn patients, sounds heartbreaking.
@ Calo:
hey you
@ rain of lead:
Hey ROL. I hope all is good with you and mom and Reader Girl. I visit daily, just haven’t commented much as of late.
Now that I am in a locked down county as of midnight, and I have no more closets to clean out, Ill probably say more.
rain of lead wrote:
Got one just the other day. Admittedly it was a business Yellow Pages and admittedly the personal white pages are a thing of the past.
BUT Yellow pages still wipe just as well as those white pages.
🙂
rain of lead wrote:
Yup. WE are now all online school nationwide. Mrs. AI had to visit her lab yesterday as we retreated south to our bolt hole at the beach, to collect her laptop. There was a Chemistry Master teaching to a class of nobody … just a video camera.
He seemed content enough. No more … “Smithers … if you keep disrupting the class you can stand in the middle of the football field on your own”.
🙂
@ Calo:
Are you locked down in NZ as well? We all go into lockdown in 9 Hpours (midnight)
A dog here has been taken to the vet because he has injured his tail from excessive wagging. He can’t believe it that his whole family is home playing with him. He’s on anti- inflammatories
He’ll live!
🙂
Calo wrote:
If the lungs were damaged, no, but some were put in med comas and on ventilators. I don’t think it was the coma that required the vent, but there were other issues that indicated. Frankly, I don’t know how she did it for all those years. I got one phone call at 4 in the morning after she came off her shift and even I still have nightmares all these years later. Burns. Gah. One funny – kind of – story. Her patient was a prostitute whose pimp had sprayed her with something flammable and set her on fire. He got out on bail and she found him at the bed side. She hauled his ass down about 6 flights of stairs screaming the entire way until a security guard realized something was wrong and came into the stairwell only to get body slammed by some terrified man and an infuriated Irish nurse who was in kill mode. 3 people in a scramble on the floor, one trying to get away, a very small woman trying to kill him, and a security guard who had just had his rib cracked and couldn’t get this woman off a man whose head she was slamming into the floor. The pimp and the security guard were both treated in the ER, she went back to work.
She’s now in gastro something or other. I don’t ask.
@ Aussie Infidel:
I only hope to travel to NZ someday. But, alas, I live outside of Houston for now. The county judge has shut us down *spit*. The Governor of Texas left it up to individual counties to make their own decisions since most counties in Texas don’t have a single case of Kung Flu. He didn’t want to burden the entire state with a shut down.
Oh my god
Nevada’s governor has signed an emergency order barring the use of anti-malaria drugs for someone who has the coronavirus.
Democratic Gov. Steve Sisolak’s order Tuesday restricting chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine comes after President Donald Trump touted the medication as a treatment for the virus.
Trump last week falsely stated that the Food and Drug Administration had just approved the use of chloroquine to treat patients infected with coronavirus. After the FDA’s chief said the drug still needs to be tested for that use, Trump overstated the drug’s potential benefits in containing the virus.
Sisolak said in a statement that there’s no consensus among experts or Nevada doctors that the drugs can treat people with COVID-19. His order also limits a prescription to a 30-day supply to ensure it’s available for “legitimate medical purposes” and so that people cannot find a way to stockpile the drug.
The governor’s rule comes a day after a Phoenix-area man died and his wife was in critical condition from taking an additive used to clean fish tanks known as chloroquine phosphate, similar to the drug used to treat malaria.
https://m.lasvegassun.com/news/2020/mar/24/sisolak-bars-malaria-drugs-for-coronavirus-patient/
Can he do that?
@ eaglesoars:
I don’t think that question has been addressed, ever! But, I question the accuracy of that article. What stands out to me is he is trying to prevent stockpiling.
“”Sisolak said in a statement that there’s no consensus among experts or Nevada doctors that the drugs can treat people with COVID-19. His order also limits a prescription to a 30-day supply to ensure it’s available for “legitimate medical purposes” and so that people cannot find a way to stockpile the drug.””
@ Calo:
I’m trying to find the order he signed, because that is so outrageous, after my initial knee-jerk…
I can’t find the order, but it still sounds like rubbish
As of today (March 24) there are 263 COVID-19 cases in the state of Nevada, an increase of 154 new cases since March 20
All of the news reports I’ve read cite a report by a commission saying there is no evidence the med helps COV19 patients.
He’s going to have a lot more cases in that state because he’s ignoring the evidence.
I’m going to bed. Nice to see you again Calo, be well
Governor says me and my peeps can go back to work on the 1st. As mentioned up-thread, he backtracked on closing gun shops.
I’ll make a couple of predictions. This is all in the rear-view mirror April 10.
April 1st, all broadcast media is terminated. Internet is temporarily shut off except for pre-identified, life-critical network traffic. No twitter, FB, IG, etc. Electric and utilities continue unabated.
The 10 days between is Trump/Administration on EAS – red pills admnistered – hard to swallow.
Shortly after coming back online – total financial restructuring. And some supra-human disclosure(s).
So says my Malibu and Coke.
I was asked by the CFO and to come to the office today and represent him. He is in lock down mode at home. I obliged.
I have sent out my CV and have the first phone interviews lined up.
eaglesoars wrote:
Fat ignorant fuckwit !
Now read the real news:-
A New York doctor named Dr. Vladimir Zelenko is thanking President Trump for approving Hydroxychloroquine for use against the coronavirus and is touting fantastic results among 350 patients treated.
Here’s a summary of Zelenko’s results:
Chloroquine/Azithromycin results.
200mg 2x daily Hydroxy Chloroquine
500mg 1x daily Azithromycin
220mg 1x daily Zinc sulfate
350 patients
• Breathing restored 3-4 hours
• Zero deaths
• Zero hospitalizations
• Zero intubations
Zelenko published these results in a letter to Israel’s ministry of health, noting all of his treatments were done in an outpatient setting:
https://www.weaselzippers.us/446022-biden-we-have-to-take-care-of-the-cure-for-covid-19-that-will-make-the-problem-worse/
@ Weasel Zippers
Bidens response to this reporters question is incomprehensible.
The Dems are stuck with a dog who won’t hunt. They have to know that they have a serious problem.
FWIW
New York hospitals are treating coronavirus patients with high dosages of VITAMIN C after promising results from China
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8149191/New-York-hospitals-treating-corona-patients-6000-milligrams-VITAMIN-C.html
why anyone is believing anything that comes out of China I have no idea
Apparently Our Betters reached a deal around 2 this morning. Oh Joy.
https://www.redstate.com/nick-arama/2020/03/24/hilarious-watch-ryan-reynolds-explain-how-important-celebrities-are-to-fighting-the-virus/
@ Red State
Ryan Reynolds has a message for his fellow celebrities, the ones that did “Imagine”
I always liked this guy in the Deadpool movies and his tweet is damn good.
Description of Biden
He’s like a web browser with 19 tabs open, 17 are frozen and he doesn’t know where the music is coming from.
@ RIX:
Their best hope is a brokered convention.
@ eaglesoars:
I only heard a few minutes of it, but radio host Michael Savage did some research using natural means to fight coronavirus. I didn’t get to hear what he’d found.
@ right_wing2:
I haven’t listened to him in years but I always liked him. Most people don’t know that his professional/education is in biology.
right_wing2 wrote:
Exactly.
eaglesoars wrote:
OMG – I spit my coffee out on my keyboard.
I hope IT is around today.
@ The Barbarian:
unfortunately, it’s going around w/o anyone being given credit, but whoever came up with it is a genius
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2020/03/25/coronavirus-greta-thunberg-says-extremely-likely-she-had-covid-19/5076804002/
@ USA Today
Greta Thunberg thinks that she had Coronavirus.
Of course she does “Look at me, look st me!”
RIX wrote:
clouds. silver linings.
morning y’all
just did a store run
slowly filling back up
very spotty on some things
water, tp,pt canned soup
bread and milk were ok
got me a new cheap pair of tennis shoes and cheap in both senses of the word
they cost $15 and last about 6 mo.
but they are by far the most comfortable things I have ever worn
The countywide stay in place order has so many exceptions to it that it’s basically worthless.
@ eaglesoars:
More unintentional silver linings – Looks like Prince Charles has tested positive; Duchess Camilla has NOT. Hmmm…..trouble in paradise?
“Shanty”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4kXWLoH6xQ
@ rain of lead:
good morning. How are your ladies doing?
where is CW?
So, I got an answer on why Facebook had so many masks to donate
Why companies like Goldman Sachs, Apple, and Facebook had all of those N95 masks to donate in the first place
https://www.businessinsider.com/heres-why-companies-like-facebook-had-n95-masks-to-donate-2020-3
right_wing2 wrote:
All I know is that doggy day care is staying open under the ‘lodging’ exception. Whew! They’re home today because the weather is lousy and they can’t play outside so they’re staying home for free!
shit just got real
Waffle House closes 365 locations in US
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/coronavirus-waffle-house-closes-365-locations-in-us-dozen-in-miami-valley/ar-BB11FW3Z
The Barbarian wrote:
That’s a dark cloud. If Charles goes, then it’s Will up to the plate. I have no problems with him or Kate, but I’d bet my bank account that Ginge and Cringe would be back in the UK faster than you can say “Diana”, with Cringe playing the lead as Mother Theresa and years of photos of Charles walking her down the aisle. The Brits would fill ditches with bile, they are so fed up with them, and there goes the monarchy. Even tho’ they really aren’t in line for it, don’t think The Markles haven’t taken Diana’s Queen of Hearts to the pitch and Ginge can’t shut up about her. The only hope would be if Kate slugs her at the funeral.
A doc from Nevada is calling into Chris Plante’s show saying patients ARE being treated w/the z-pac and that report about the Governor banning it was misleading.
damn
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
·
3h
This is really great news! I am so happy I can barely speak. He may have been a terrible presidential candidate and an even worse U.S. Senator, but he is a RINO, and I like him a lot!
@ rain of lead:
who is he talking about?
eaglesoars wrote:
Oh. Romney. Tested negative
@ eaglesoars:
Mittens?
Professor Sharon Peacock, Director of the National Infection Service, Public Health England, says antibody test could be ready for general public to be tested in Boots or at home within days “not weeks or months”. Simple finger prick test….
Prof Peacock said the tests themselves are being tested in Oxford this week. If they do work people will be able to order them via Amazon to test themse
https://twitter.com/RichardVaughan1/status/1242804408662011904
This is what Dr Brixt was talking about yesterday
https://hotair.com/archives/jazz-shaw/2020/03/24/lets-just-say-shall-joe-biden-probably-not-okay/
no, not really
right_wing2 wrote:
the one and only. He sat next to Rand Paul in the course of events, so….
Heartache
China, over the last eight years, has produced only 118 of its Z10 helicopter gunships. This was China’s first effort at designing a Western style gunship. The low production rate is because there have been problems and China likes to fix most of these “new system” problems before building a lot of something.
Some of the problems are fixed with an upgraded or new feature. For example, a recent upgrade has the engine exhaust directed upwards into the spinning rotors instead to the rear. Sending the hot exhaust into the spinning rotors reduces the infrared (heat) available for heat-seeking missiles to home in on
WHAT?? This article is really about how the French and U.S. are foiling China’s military development but ‘the stupid’ caught my eye.
https://strategypage.com/htmw/htairfo/articles/20200323.aspx
And somewhere yesterday I saw a headline that China has given up developing an air carrier fleet. Well, yeah, if every flying vehicle you plan to deploy on them has the exhaust heading in the wrong direction.
Now I know how they managed to ‘invent’ gunpowder.
uh huh
House will not pass coronavirus bill today. Already gaveled in, gaveled out of pro fotm session. Senior sources say House won’t meet again later today
https://twitter.com/ChadPergram/status/1242823263597793280
They were ‘gaveled in’ for 2 minutes. Another FU to America.
https://comicbook.com/irl/2020/03/24/comic-con-san-diego-2020-coronavirus-cancelled-convention-center/
San Diego Convention Center Transitioning to Homeless Shelter
Remember. Practice social distancing. Morons. If President Trump did this they would claim he was gathering all of the homeless together to murder them with COVID. California does this and they proclaim how wonderful it is.
@ eaglesoars:
Looks like the bill gave Congress a raise somewhere in paragraph 3,567.
In many ways, I hope President Trump DOES veto this bill, and at his briefing tell the people WHY he refused. Congressional raise, $25,000,000 for the Kennedy Center? Ostensibly it’s to “deep clean” for the virus, etc. Hell, shutter the damn place up for four weeks. Virus doesn’t live for 28 days on a surface. That’ll kill it off.
Nancy wants to be sure that she still gets invited to the cocktail parties of her opera-loving friends.
Well, Governor Shithead in my state just ordered that voter fraud be committed for the primaries. Mail in only Primary.
The Barbarian wrote:
Nancy won’t let them vote on it and Bernie is threatening a hold.
@ The Barbarian:
That’s not a pay raise for them. It’s apparently money to pay for additional staff, along with infrastructure upgrades to allow them to do more teleworking stuff.
Even if they were to vote themselves a pay raise, it wouldn’t go into effect until January, when the next Congress is seated.
rain of lead wrote:
… and in movies about ‘interrogating’ some poor sod by hitting him with a telephone book!
🙂
Here’s a breakdown of the Senate bill:
https://www.appropriations.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Coronavirus%20Supplemental%20Appropriations%20Summary_FINAL.pdf
The part about Congress is on page 17
eaglesoars wrote:
Just wait until they start having ‘problems; with their first ‘native designed (well kionda) aircraft carrier.
Hell even the US has problems integrating new systems into carrier design and they have a hundred years of experience in carrier design.
🙂
Tucker is on . BBL
🙂
Good news about a UK thumb prick test that will show results in 15 minutes. Hope that it has some legs to it and proves viable. Testing can really help identification of cases needing serious isolation.
Still a dribble of traffic going past but that could be emergency workers going off shift and folks heading to the Supermarket or Pharmacy to pick up orders of food or medicines.
Just out on the verandah watching four oyster catchers arguing and making a racket. A gull is just watching the action. One oyster catcher got aggressive with the gull but when the gull stood his ground it was all over bar the shouting!
🙂
Borders are closed and 80,00 Kiwis overseas have left their run home too late! They will have to survive in place for at least the next month
OK The oyster catchers and gun have left ‘stage right’ as 2 Fox Terriers have arrived , plus a single Shag floating 5 feet off shore and looking much put out, just out of reach of the dogs
gun = gull
eaglesoars wrote:
Given what’s going on in Britain Chuck’s funeral would be a private affair at Windsor so as not to expose the Queen and especially the Duke as he is in fragile health anyway. Whether Ginge and Cringe would show up has no relevance.
They made their bed and now they can lie in it.
Te Tabloids might put up the odd story second or third hand but motley it’d be a bit of a relief for the British public who think Chuckles is a brick short of a load andyway and they have an heir and a spare already. So it’s all good
🙂
Aussie Infidel wrote:
I believe I saw something about them abandoning efforts to develop a carrier fleet. I didn’t read it, just noted the headline. I assume it’s a $$$ issue at this point.
RIX wrote:
Her 15 minutes were up about 3 months ago
Quite a few people who live in D.C. are tweeting that they saw flashes of light all across the sky
I suppose it’s too much to hope that it’s God’s lightening hitting the Capitol.
eaglesoars wrote:
I did not hear that and I’m sure that I’d have read about it in Janes Navy Review before this.
The economic problems within the Chinese exchequer are mounting but the Carrier Battle Fleets of at least Three large 80,000+ tonne carriers with their associated protective fleets not counting the two prototype trial carrier development ships was core to the PLAN planning to dominate the Nine Dash Line and the first Island chain to ensure that the bottlenecks can be kept open. Without at least 3 Carrier Battle Groups able to concentrate quickly within the South China sea and approaches and see off the US Navy in a surprise wartime scenario is what all of the planning has been about for these last 20 years. To throw all of that investment away so quickly is beyond implausible.
Unless of course like NAZI Germany in 1944 they thought that ‘Wondor Weapons’ might pull their fat out of the frying pan at the last moment. Are the Chinese going to do a pivot and trust in a similar ‘hail mary’ pass?
🙂
Aussie Infidel wrote:
Maybe they’re just rethinking the configuration. What do I know? My naval expertise is confined to houseboats.
those flashes in the sky turned out to be a blown transformer at an Amtrak facility.
eaglesoars wrote:
Hmmm.
Can’t be the aurora either as the sun is at the bottom of a long pause and the Auroras are by and large absent just now.
I guess you could wonder aloud whether those lightning bolts that struck the Vatican a few years ago after some pretty heretical nonsense… might be making a come back with the Capitol in its sights!
HEH!
🙂
eaglesoars wrote:
Awwww
I was hoping for some crispy Congress critters at least!
🙂
@ eaglesoars:
How are you holding up Eagles in your enforced stay home period?
It’s Day #1 here with just 29 days to go. MAYBE
I’m guessing it’ll be at least 2 month and most likely 3 or more.
@ eaglesoars:
We threw a bunch of masks over the fence down at the beach because there is a very nice ‘nervous Nellie’ next door.She is an ex nurse and is very worried about her husband who has long term respiratory problems and is vulnerable. Told her to order food on-line and either drive into Thames to collect it and pay by bank card at the collection point.
The maskss are for show really and are there to give the impression that other folks are looking after her. Ngarimu Bay’s 70 houses have set up a telephone tree and there are a LOT of current and former specialists about to ensure that everyone will have full services available until the professional utility providers get around to fix outages.
Our community spring is fixed and the ‘find the leak crew’ of vounteers did a great job tracking it down and fixing the bugger!
🙂
@ Aussie Infidel:
We’re fine. We’ve worked from home since 2003 so not much has changed for us. As long as doggy day care stays open – the got an ‘essential business’ thing under ‘lodging!! I’m sane.
I just got a text from my niece. A friend of hers is an ICU nurse at a level 1 trauma center in MICHIGAN. Which we have heard nothing about. here’s the deal
They have 5 ICUs 4 of those are now strictly COVID-19. They ran out of ventilators over a week ago. They’re seeing mostly young patients with no comorbidities . Most patients are having to be intubated w/in the first 24-48 hrs and as of now none of them have left the ICU alive. Their first patient was a young ICU doctor that had to be intubated on his first night in ICU. That was 2.5 weeks ago and he is still on a ventilator in critical condition. He had no underlying conditions. There are 2 different strains – one that primarily affects older people and one that primarily affects younger people. They are seeing a lot of people without a fever. That is particularly worrisome because people all over the world have been screening people via temps. That is no longer a qualifier. They are also seeing a huuuuge problem with mucus plugs obstructing the airway
and …… for a little light relief…. a litany of Chinese lies writ LARGE:-
https://bitterwinter.org/coronavirus-a-chronology/
Bastards!
@ Aussie Infidel:
As evil as China is, we can and will make them pay. But I want Pelosi and Schumer utterly destroyed. Grease stains on a page of a history book. I’m just gutted that they’ll probably never pay a price for what they’re doing, in fact, they’ll be handsomely rewarded. I just see red.
eaglesoars wrote:
Awww Don’t talk like that Eagles. You know how much I like that talk!
Makes me unable to stand up as I will embarrass myself!
HEH!
🙂
@ Aussie Infidel:
Add this asshole to the list
Scott McMillan, a 56-year-old lawyer, tweeted that it’s more vital to revive the economy than to save people who are ‘not productive,’ like the elderly and infirm. So I called his parents.
https://twitter.com/mffisher/status/1242957612204916739
Marc Fisher is a WaPo ‘reporter’. Or as someone else called him ” you absolute fucking vampire piece of shit”. Unfortunately for his little dox plan, McMillan’s parents agreed with their son
eaglesoars wrote:
Oops! my bad!
He’s a senior fucking editor
https://twitter.com/redsteeze/status/1243008373114564608
@ eaglesoars:
WARNING ORDER for all RTeservists to be called up, has been promulgated in Australia.
So much for the States trying to screw with the Fed’s plan to lock down OZ for a month.
The Reserves in Oz unlike the Guard Units in the States are Federal troops , much like your Reserve.
The States only get to use them with the OK of the Feds.
I have to go to bed. nite.
@ Aussie Infidel:
what does this mean?
Apparently Pelosi is on LSD better than anything I ever had. She just added a provision that prevents states from enforcing voter id at the polls.
god help me.
one more from Merideth who is a nurse in NYC. They are having problems releasing stable patients because receiving facilities want TWO consecutive negative tests and they dont’ have the test kits to spare.
https://twitter.com/thisismeredith/status/1242778487833976832
@ Aussie Infidel:
I just got an email asking if I want to participate in a voluntary recall here.
One ONE more from an ER doc in New Orleans (I get the feeling this isn’t going away by Easter)
This is absolutely horrendous
https://texags.com/forums/84/topics/3102444?fbclid=IwAR3s13SRnw7YNgtu-7LZyrMUSMIRRWScU67lwbuwZM8fna-6R8k4tqrtO3w
Plaquenil is the name brand for hydroxychlorquine
@ lobo91:
I know. In the texting session I had w/my niece I asked her about the drug protocol and she said it’s not working, risk-benefit ratio can’t justify it.
lobo91 wrote:
somebody on Instapundit got the same email.
eaglesoars wrote:
Best description I’ve heard so far.