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  • Day 11 of the Great American Lock-down

    by coldwarrior ( 253 Comments › )
    Filed under Open thread at March 26th, 2020 - 8:45 am

    Mrs Coldwarrior called off yesterday from her Level 1 Trauma Center, second time this week because there aren’t enough patients for all he nurses.

    Update: Surgery for me on Aril 1st…

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    1. RIX
      1 | March 26, 2020 9:23 am

      https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/03/26/so-not-trumps-fault-again-brit-hume-shares-infuriating-thread-about-real-reason-for-mask-and-respirator-shortage/
      @Twitchy
      Good morning. So the shortfall on masks and respirators is not the fault of the evil orange man.
      No, it’s the regulatory state,the FDA.


    2. eaglesoars
      2 | March 26, 2020 9:41 am

      CW so glad you checked in, didn’t know if your surgery would be considered elective or not.

      I can’t believe the market is up. Job numbers are 3 times worse than expected but Pelosi gave millions to the Kennedy Center so let’s PAR-TAY!!

      Jesus


    3. eaglesoars
      3 | March 26, 2020 10:31 am

      eaglesoars wrote:

      but Pelosi gave millions to the Kennedy Center so let’s PAR-TAY!!

      The Kennedy Center has issued a “Thank You” notice for the $$$, reminding everyone that “we exist as a living Presidential memorial” – and is getting its ass kicked into the next dimension

      Bite me in D minor

      https://twitter.com/Richmac33/status/1242963782600622080


    4. eaglesoars
      4 | March 26, 2020 12:02 pm

      Oh this is just bullshit. Take it from a pro. Those computer models from Imperial College that predicted a gazillion deaths and are now being modified SEVERELY downward..this is Neil Ferguson, one of the most self-satisfied ‘historians’ trying to weasel his way out of personal culpability.

      I’m conscious that lots of people would like to see and run the pandemic simulation code we are using to model control measures against COVID-19. To explain the background – I wrote the code (thousands of lines of undocumented C) 13+ years ago to model flu pandemics…

      https://twitter.com/neil_ferguson/status/1241835454707699713

      So basically, what we have is a bunch of incestuous academics who found someone in their midst who could write “Hello world” code and anointed him their ‘analyst’.

      If anyone like this had walked into my office I would have thrown his ass out the window.


    5. eaglesoars
      5 | March 26, 2020 12:59 pm

      The Scientist Whose Doomsday Pandemic Model Predicted Armageddon Just Walked Back The Apocalyptic Predictions

      https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/26/the-scientist-whose-doomsday-pandemic-model-predicted-armageddon-just-walked-back-the-apocalyptic-predictions/#.Xnzdkf0nzJw.twitter


    6. coldwarrior
      6 | March 26, 2020 1:09 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      it’s trumps fault


    7. coldwarrior
      7 | March 26, 2020 1:09 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      definitely NOT elective surgery


    8. RIX
      8 | March 26, 2020 1:20 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      @ eaglesoars:

      definitely NOT elective surgery

      Good luck.


    9. coldwarrior
      9 | March 26, 2020 2:06 pm

      @ RIX:
      thanks. the weeks of radiation to my neck and base of the tongue are going to be the worst.

      the choice was chemo and lots of rads with no surgery, or surgery with less rads and no chemo.

      i’ll take surgical pain over more rads and chemo!


    10. eaglesoars
      10 | March 26, 2020 2:19 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      i’ll take surgical pain

      much better drugs………


    11. RIX
      11 | March 26, 2020 2:25 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      @ RIX:
      thanks. the weeks of radiation to my neck and base of the tongue are going to be the worst.

      the choice was chemo and lots of rads with no surgery, or surgery with less rads and no chemo.

      i’ll take surgical pain over more rads and chemo!

      Smart call. I will say a prayer for you and I know that you will come through like a champ.
      And please everybody say a prayer for my wife.


    12. coldwarrior
      12 | March 26, 2020 2:30 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      coldwarrior wrote:

      i’ll take surgical pain

      much better drugs………

      i dont do well on opiates. cant stand them.

      got some medical marijuana tho…


    13. coldwarrior
      13 | March 26, 2020 2:31 pm

      @ RIX:

      reciprocated, of course!


    14. coldwarrior
      14 | March 26, 2020 2:46 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Oh this is just bullshit. Take it from a pro. Those computer models from Imperial College that predicted a gazillion deaths and are now being modified SEVERELY downward..this is Neil Ferguson, one of the most self-satisfied ‘historians’ trying to weasel his way out of personal culpability.

      garbage in…garbage out


    15. coldwarrior
      15 | March 26, 2020 2:48 pm

      https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/03/26/treasury-secretary-steven-mnuchin-discusses-coronavirus-relief-bill/

      from over at the treehouse:

      The fact of the matter is that Congress can’t spend any of this money…only President Trump can.

      So, methinks our POTUS has decided to go “all in” (poker parlance) on this fall’s election – he will spend whatever is necessary to deal with the WuFlu crisis and drag his feet on all other spending for non-crisis projects. Since this is not a regular appropriations bill to fund various Cabinet Departments thru a fiscal year I don’t believe the funds have to be spent by a date certain. So, when the Kennedy Center vampires approach him for their share of the loot, he will demur and say their plans need some “further study”. Then, when our VSG wins handily in November and brings back a GOP Congress (both houses), he will simply refuse to spend these funds for the good of our country’s fiscal health…and who is gonna stop him once Nancy has to pass the gavel back to a Republican Speaker come January 2021? If the Dimms control neither side of Capitol Hill, then who can bring suit to the Federal Courts for what is largely the old Nixon ploy of “impoundment”? Meanwhile, a new budget cycle will be underway and all of this WuFlu stuff will simply be old news.

      Anyway, that’s my take based upon 42 years of working in the belly of the beast, but, hey, what do I know?

      ok then.


    16. eaglesoars
      16 | March 26, 2020 2:55 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      i dont do well on opiates. cant stand them

      me neither. EPIC projectile vomiting. IIRC, I got demerol and valium in tandem. it was wonderful.


    17. eaglesoars
      17 | March 26, 2020 2:57 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      coldwarrior wrote:

      i dont do well on opiates. cant stand them

      me neither. EPIC projectile vomiting. IIRC, I got demerol and valium in tandem. it was wonderful.

      even tho demerol is an opiate, I can tolerate it.


    18. coldwarrior
      18 | March 26, 2020 3:01 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      demerol!

      i don’t think that i have ever seen an order for that one.


    19. RIX
      19 | March 26, 2020 3:06 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      @ RIX:

      reciprocated, of course!

      Muchas gracious.


    20. eaglesoars
      20 | March 26, 2020 3:15 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      @ eaglesoars:

      demerol!

      i don’t think that i have ever seen an order for that one.

      TRY IT!! YOU’LL LIKE IT!!

      I once heard it referred to by one of my nurses as a ‘hypnotic’ but I don’t think that’s an actual FDA drug classification, is it?

      Anyway, the combo together was glorious. I wish I could remember exactly what the protocol was for giving it to me so I could pass it on. I do remember that the valium overtook the need for the demerol because I was in such a good mood I felt no pain. This was after a 6-hour craniotomy.

      I must fetch the heathen beagles from their ‘essential lodging’ digs, bbl.


    21. eaglesoars
      21 | March 26, 2020 3:20 pm

      oh, here…

      How It Works

      The pain-relieving properties of Demerol differ from other medications, such as morphine because, instead of keeping nerve endings from transmitting messages of pain to the brain, Demerol acts on the central nervous system, essentially tricking the brain by replacing the feeling of pain with a “high.” Patients who are given Demerol for pain are basically feeling the euphoric effects of the medication instead of their pain

      but they don’t like it anymore cuz

      Hospitals and outpatient clinics don’t use Demerol as frequently as they used to because of safety issues: Demerol can be toxic when high doses are used, and it has a long list of side effects, which include:

      Respiratory depression (slowed breathing)
      Dizziness, lightheadedness
      Blurred vision
      Low blood pressure
      Tremors or seizures
      Rapid heart rate or abnormal heartbeats
      Nausea and vomiting
      Demerol is also highly addictive for som

      https://www.verywellhealth.com/demerol-pain-medication-uses-and-side-effects-1132345

      party poopers if you ask me……..


    22. coldwarrior
      22 | March 26, 2020 3:22 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      party poopers if you ask me……..

      lol


    23. coldwarrior
      23 | March 26, 2020 3:26 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Respiratory depression (slowed breathing)

      this is why we dont use it anymore


    24. eaglesoars
      25 | March 26, 2020 4:45 pm

      @ coldwarrior:

      speaking of good drugs, are you hearing anything about the hoped-for drug protocol not working? NY was supposed to receive the meds on Tuesday and nobody has said a thing about it helping. All I’ve heard is now there’s a recall effort underway for the Nevada governor because he banned it, my niece tells me they’ve got zero evidence it helps.

      ?????


    25. eaglesoars
      26 | March 26, 2020 4:55 pm

      And our winner of the No Shit, Sherlock award goes to – Andrew Cuomo

      Governor Andrew Cuomo said on Thursday that it was not the best strategy to quarantine all of New York at once to battle coronavirus because it not only shut down the economy but put young people in homes with older relatives and potentially exposed them to the virus.

      At least he owns up to a mistake and tries to fix it asap, give him that

      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8156457/Cuomo-says-probably-not-best-strategy-quarantine-once.html


    26. coldwarrior
      27 | March 26, 2020 5:33 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      speaking of good drugs, are you hearing anything about the hoped-for drug protocol not working?

      i have no data on this that i would cite as reason to prescribe…


    27. eaglesoars
      28 | March 26, 2020 5:41 pm

      @ coldwarrior:

      got it


    28. Aussie Infidel
      29 | March 26, 2020 5:47 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      @ eaglesoars:

      definitely NOT elective surgery

      You can really pick the timing can’t you mate!

      🙂

      Trying to upstage the rest of us ehhh?

      Show-off!

      🙂

      Seriously Cold, when is your treatment scheduled to begin? Got you right here mate and thinking about you and yours.

      🙂


    29. Aussie Infidel
      30 | March 26, 2020 5:53 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      @ eaglesoars:

      demerol!

      i don’t think that i have ever seen an order for that one.

      I can recommend it as well. Had it when I had back surgery. Works great and no apparent side effects.


    30. coldwarrior
      31 | March 26, 2020 5:54 pm

      @ Aussie Infidel:

      a couple weeks after surgery i start with daily rads


    31. eaglesoars
      32 | March 26, 2020 6:12 pm

      So based on the math I’m seeing, using Cuomo’s statement that some genius figured out how to make one ventilator work for 2 people plus vents from FEMA, NY should have around 33k vents?


    32. 33 | March 26, 2020 6:44 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      eaglesoars wrote:

      party poopers if you ask me……..

      lol

      Try deloted (spelling and)?


    33. 34 | March 26, 2020 6:46 pm

      @ doriangrey:
      Dilaudid


    34. rain of lead
      35 | March 26, 2020 7:06 pm

      So dig this y’all, my 17yr daughter told me she wanted to learn how
      to cut grass so she could help with the yardwork. So this afternoon she got taught how to cut the back yard and trimmed all the back flower beds and around the patio.

      I really do have a great kid


    35. Aussie Infidel
      36 | March 26, 2020 7:22 pm

      @ coldwarrior:
      @ eaglesoars:
      Massive supplies of critical medical gear have been hoarded by major Chinese companies in other countries and flown to China during the Wuhan coronavirus outbreak, according to reports.

      Chinese property developers with offices in Australia organized multiple planeloads of critical medical equipment to be sent from Sydney to Wuhan and other parts of China, according to the Sydney Morning Herald.

      The operations — at least one of which was executed worldwide, according to a whistleblower — saw employees ordered to suspend normal tasks and spend weeks sourcing and stockpiling items such as surgical masks, gloves, thermometers, hand sanitizers, and protective coveralls and outfits from around Australia and beyond.

      “The chartered plane with 90 tons of medical supplies, including 100,000 most needed protective coveralls and 900,000 pairs of medical gloves, has successfully departed from Sydney and arrived in Wuhan on 24 Feb.,” announced a recent LinkenIn post from Risland Australia — a Chinese property development company whose major stakeholder is Yang Huiyan, the richest woman in Asia — the Herald reports.

      Another Chinese-owned company, Greenland Australia, reportedly executed a similar scheme in Australia and other countries.

      “Employees of Greenland Australia, a subsidiary of the Chinese government-backed global property giant Greenland Group, were instructed to put their normal work on hold and source bulk supplies of essential medical items to ship back to China,” the Herald reported, citing a whistleblower who said it was a “worldwide project.”

      The Greenland Group reportedly hoarded and shipped an estimated 3 million respiratory masks, 700 hazmat suits, and 500,000 pairs of gloves to China.

      Australian hospitals are now facing a scarcity of some of these critical supplies.

      “The shortage of personal protective equipment in NSW hospitals is scandalous,” a medical worker told the Herald. “Doctors and nurses on the front line feel inadequately protected, exposed and vulnerable.”

      Australia currently has 2,810 confirmed coronavirus cases at the time of this writing.

      https://www.newswars.com/chinese-companies-hoarded-other-nations-medical-supplies-during-outbreak-flew-them-to-china/


    36. Aussie Infidel
      37 | March 26, 2020 7:24 pm

      Found this link

      https://www.smh.com.au/national/second-developer-flies-82-tonnes-of-medical-supplies-to-china-20200326-p54e8n.html

      Can anyone provide others on this topic?

      Also very relevant:

      https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/foreign-investment-board-braces-for-chinese-takeovers-of-distressed-australian-assets-20200326-p54e3z.html

      I’m sure that the Chinese will be looking for distressed US businesses for pennies on the dollar.

      SPIT


    37. eaglesoars
      38 | March 26, 2020 7:40 pm

      @ Aussie Infidel:

      My friend in Wales emailed me those links from SMH this morning. I’m didn’t have time to do more than glance, but if I understand, once they realized they had a problem, the scarfed up supplies. Why wouldn’t they? I don’t blame them, they are going to take care of themselves, anyone would.

      The question I have is- and nobody noticed?????

      doriangrey wrote:

      @ doriangrey:
      Dilaudid

      I hope I never need big time opiates again. When I had the major oral surgery last year, a codeine/acetaminophen mix held me just fine, as it did for cataract surgery.

      So how are you doing?


    38. eaglesoars
      39 | March 26, 2020 7:42 pm

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      I’m sure that the Chinese will be looking for distressed US businesses for pennies on the dollar.

      They’ll set up a front that can be shared with American vulture capitalists – such as Mitt Romney, who made millions doing just that.


    39. Aussie Infidel
      40 | March 26, 2020 7:53 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      So how are you doing?

      Ginger-peachy thanks.

      You and Yours?

      Our little bay has organised themselves. Phone tree to ensure that everyone is not feeling isolated and is all up to date with what is going on. The spring that we all get reticulated water from leak has been found and fixed. We have a member of the Ngarimu Bay bunch who runs a green grocery and will supply fresh veg and fruit free of cartage charge.

      We have a full Chemical Protection mask and carbon filters plus a ‘Heath-Robertson’ slap up bio suit for trips into Thames when necessary to visit the Chemist. We’ll do a ring around the bay and see if anyone needs pharmaceuticals get them to pay electronically and drop off their prescriptions at their later boxes.

      A retired master carpenter has taken it on himself to produce really sophisticated ‘rat-traps to address the odd water rat down by the bridge where the stream runs into the sea.

      Plowing through a Jack Reacher novel…. not sure I am a fan yet??

      Will do some Math from Engineering Maths just for the hell of it later and go for a walk on the beach with Mrs AI at low tide.

      All good here.

      How are you lot over there?


    40. Aussie Infidel
      41 | March 26, 2020 7:56 pm

      @ eaglesoars:
      Oh and all of the Internet providers have said that everyone now gets full access to unlimited Broadband for the duration at no extra cost.

      Just to ensure that everyone stays connected

      🙂


    41. lobo91
      42 | March 26, 2020 7:59 pm

      The latest video from Casa de Lovell:


    42. eaglesoars
      43 | March 26, 2020 8:04 pm

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      Ginger-peachy thanks.

      You and Yours?

      I was talking to Dorian, dipshit, I KNOW how you’re doing, EVERYBODY knows how you’re doing.

      But it’s nice to hear you’ve all become downright neighborly. All of us keep in touch via text and apps like Nextdoor. But Hubby and I have worked out of our house for so long, not much has really changed for us. If I see anybody in a hazmat suit walking the streets it’s too late, so I’m not worrying about it.


    43. 44 | March 26, 2020 8:08 pm

      @ eaglesoars:
      Is this the drug combo Trump was talking about ?


    44. Aussie Infidel
      45 | March 26, 2020 8:17 pm

      @ eaglesoars:
      Heh!

      Son, daughter in law and baby Rohan have remained in Auckland to be close to Auckland Hospital … just in case.
      Very worrying as Rohan as you know has lung problems due to cystic fibrosis. His mum is a emergency support worked as she helps to maintain the Auckland City Council IT system.. (remotely from home thankfully), but Rohan’s day is front line Police and is currently operating just in his uniform and dealing with low life and morons breaking the Level #4 restrictions. Thank goodness they FINALLY get access to full ‘noddy suits, masks and gloves.

      So far they have been using whatever masks and gloves they can access themselves. They change and shower at the station, change into clean civvies to travel home, walk into the front door and go direct to a second shower and a second change of clothes and put the ‘car trip clothes’ into the wash.

      Hopefully our cop won’t get Corona and pass it onto Rohan

      Worrying but we understand why they decided to stay in Auckland to stay close to Auckland Star Ship Children’s hospital just in case.


    45. lobo91
      46 | March 26, 2020 8:20 pm


    46. coldwarrior
      47 | March 26, 2020 8:21 pm

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      They change and shower at the station, change into clean civvies to travel home, walk into the front door and go direct to a second shower and a second change of clothes and put the ‘car trip clothes’ into the wash.

      shoes stay in the box in the car, get home, straight to the shower and scrubs in the utility room.

      never enter upstairs until ‘clean’.


    47. Aussie Infidel
      48 | March 26, 2020 8:30 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      if I understand, once they realized they had a problem, the scarfed up supplies. Why wouldn’t they? I don’t blame them, they are going to take care of themselves, anyone would.

      The point is that the local Chinese businesses were directed by the Chinese government to bulk buy these emergence suppiies by using students and agents to bulk buy supplies from supermarkets and to store and trans ship them in contradiction of hoarding legislation that restricts access of medical workers, and people to supplies they need.

      These bastards swept the shelves clean stored them and illegally shipped them to fulfil Chinese government dictakts


    48. 49 | March 26, 2020 8:30 pm

      Apparently, the United States now has more cases of coronavirus than any place else in the world. The left is going to go berserk.


    49. Aussie Infidel
      50 | March 26, 2020 8:31 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      They change and shower at the station, change into clean civvies to travel home, walk into the front door and go direct to a second shower and a second change of clothes and put the ‘car trip clothes’ into the wash.

      shoes stay in the box in the car, get home, straight to the shower and scrubs in the utility room.

      never enter upstairs until ‘clean’.

      Got it

      Thanks Cold

      🙂


    50. lobo91
      51 | March 26, 2020 8:35 pm

      right_wing2 wrote:

      Apparently, the United States now has more cases of coronavirus than any place else in the world. The left is going to go berserk.

      Of course, that’s total bullshit, because nobody knows how many cases China has had.


    51. eaglesoars
      52 | March 26, 2020 8:41 pm

      right_wing2 wrote:

      @ eaglesoars:
      Is this the drug combo Trump was talking about ?

      Yes. There was a study dated Mar 3 or 13 – and I think I posted it here – that was a small patient study that worked. There have been a few others.

      I think part of the problem is that none of this has been controlled for spontaneous recovery, ACE2, etc. Docs can still prescribe it legally, but I figured something was up because I wasn’t hearing anything about drastically reduced recovery times, etc., EVEN THO CUOMO TOUTED THE DRUG LAST MONDAY. Oh, we’re getting this drug on Tuesday! Not a word.

      It may be we will, it may be too soon, Fauci said he would, under current circumstances take it himself.

      But there have been some docs that say it just doesn’t work in their experience. They’ve tried it.

      So. More tests. But no miracle.


    52. eaglesoars
      53 | March 26, 2020 8:43 pm

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      The point is that the local Chinese businesses were directed by the Chinese government to bulk buy these emergence suppiies by using students and agents to bulk buy supplies from supermarkets and to store and trans ship them in contradiction of hoarding legislation

      see, if I’d actually READ the things instead of skim, I’d know that. I’ll try again.


    53. eaglesoars
      54 | March 26, 2020 8:50 pm

      lobo91 wrote:

      Of course, that’s total bullshit, because nobody knows how many cases China has had.

      China sent test kits to the Czech Republic that had an 80% error rate. I have no idea where they got this number or how they would know this, but someone said there are now 21 million fewer cell phone users in China than before the virus.

      so there’s that……..


    54. eaglesoars
      55 | March 26, 2020 8:56 pm

      Spain, Europe’s worst-hit country after Italy, says coronavirus tests it bought from China are failing to detect positive cases

      https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-spain-says-rapid-tests-sent-from-china-missing-cases-2020-3


    55. eaglesoars
      56 | March 26, 2020 9:01 pm

      Oh, piss off, you Nazi

      Canada ‘Strongly Opposed’ To U.S. Stationing Troops Near Border

      The Canadian government says it’s “strongly opposed” to the idea of sending American troops to the border to intercept illegal migrants as part of that country’s response to the coronavirus pandemic.

      “Canada is strongly opposed to this U.S. proposal and we’ve made that opposition very, very clear to our American counterparts,” said Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland today.

      “At the end of the day, every country takes it own decisions but ours is an important and valued partnership and we are making clear Canada’s position.”

      https://www.blazingcatfur.ca/2020/03/26/canada-strongly-opposed-to-u-s-stationing-troops-near-border/


    56. lobo91
      57 | March 26, 2020 9:14 pm

      Fear and Panic for A Purpose – The Coronavirus Evolves Into “The Blue Plague”…

      The “Blue Plague” is an intentional effort by various interests to create fear-porn amid the American population by intentionally hyping a mass hysteria about the coronavirus. In many ways the Blue Plague is exponentially more dangerous than COVID-19 itself.

      Earlier today, The New York Times became the epicenter of the Blue Plague by stating people in hospitals throughout the city were dying, as desperately under-prepared and under-equipped doctors and nurses could not find ventilators for thousands of arriving patients in a state of panic. This was/is incitement at its worst.


    57. eaglesoars
      58 | March 26, 2020 9:15 pm

      hey Aussie this is for you

      350 diplomatic flights carry weapons for terrorists

      At least 350 diplomatic Silk Way Airlines (an Azerbaijani state-run company) flights transported weapons for war conflicts across the world over the last 3 years. The state aircraft of Azerbaijan carried on-board tens of tons of heavy weapons and ammunition headed to terrorists under the cover of diplomatic flights. Documents implicating Silk Way Airlines in arms supplies were sent to me by an anonymous twitter account – Anonymous Bulgaria.

      http://dilyana.bg/350-diplomatic-flights-carry-weapons-for-terrorists/


    58. coldwarrior
      59 | March 26, 2020 9:51 pm

      alright. we have a data problem and a timeline problem

      i think we are going to find out that wuhan flu was here as early as november. i know, i was sick for 2 weeks with low grade illness that was more persistent than a common cold but not the flu. the entire ER had it, just about every person and tons of patients testing negative for flu a and b.

      so, we probably had many, many infections and are on the back side of this. it also appears that the fatality rate is off ‘by orders of magnitude;’

      https://www.theblaze.com/news/stanford_coronavirus_too_high_death

      https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/stanford-doctors-coronavirus-fatality-rate-may-be-far-lower-current

      i will try to find the academic paper tomorrow.


    59. coldwarrior
      60 | March 26, 2020 9:55 pm

      @ lobo91:

      the census at a certain 750 bed level 1 trauma center was 350.its been this way for over a week.

      15 in the ER (the normal for that time of day is 60)

      in mid december to end february all of the hospitals in this area were damn near at full capacity due to the flu and the ERs were getting over run it was almost as bad as 2009


    60. eaglesoars
      61 | March 26, 2020 9:55 pm

      Mexico is going to build a wall and pay for it

      Coronavirus: Mexicans demand crackdown on Americans crossing the border

      https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52053656?


    61. eaglesoars
      62 | March 26, 2020 10:02 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      i know, i was sick for 2 weeks with low grade illness that was more persistent than a common cold but not the flu. the entire ER had it, just about every person and tons of patients testing negative for flu a and b.

      Deb Brix wants your blood


    62. coldwarrior
      63 | March 26, 2020 10:04 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      i ran a fever for about 4 hours, then the fever went away. but i was still ‘sick’


    63. eaglesoars
      64 | March 26, 2020 10:07 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      i think we are going to find out that wuhan flu was here as early as november.

      so what does this say about China’s knowledge/culpability? The had their first clue in Dec I believe?


    64. eaglesoars
      65 | March 26, 2020 10:09 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      @ eaglesoars:

      i ran a fever for about 4 hours, then the fever went away. but i was still ‘sick’

      In your so-called spare time, you need to be tested for the antibodies for that plasma drive.

      I have to go to bed. nite.


    65. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      66 | March 26, 2020 10:14 pm

      Governor Dipshit issued his Shelter in Place order effective Saturday. Thank goodness he’s running for office, it was fairly reasonable. Walking, hiking, biking are all allowed. Parks and outdoor rec areas are all open. Otherwise, nothing else really changed too much. You can only leave for essentials, food places still open, delivery still running, not a big change from what’s happening at the moment.


    66. eaglesoars
      67 | March 26, 2020 10:36 pm

      rain of lead wrote:

      So dig this y’all, my 17yr daughter told me she wanted to learn how
      to cut grass so she could help with the yardwork. So this afternoon she got taught how to cut the back yard and trimmed all the back flower beds and around the patio.

      I really do have a great kid

      kept meaning to reply to this and got side tracked. I know she’s into archery so she has to have some serious muscle strength. But I’ll bet she wakes up tomorrow sore as all get out.

      Give her a hug for me. Yeah, you definitely lucked out. And so did she.


    67. rain of lead
      68 | March 26, 2020 10:45 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      well they havn’t shot for a month so the exercise did her some good


    68. 69 | March 26, 2020 11:36 pm

      My 3rd annual Great Cycle Challenge to fight kids cancer has been put off until September.


    69. RIX
      70 | March 27, 2020 5:58 am

      https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/03/26/sums-up-our-media-joe-lockhart-accuses-dr-birx-of-drinking-the-pro-trump-kool-aid-for-not-confirming-the-lefts-narrative-also-the-typo-really-seals-this/
      @ Twitchy
      Good EARLY morning. This is interesting, Dr Birx is accused by Joe Lockhart of drinking the Trump Kool Aid.
      At the same time they are selling the narrative that Dr Fauci and Trump are at odds.


    70. RIX
      71 | March 27, 2020 6:18 am

      https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/cnn-host-snaps-abruptly-ends-segment-after-trump-advisor-blames-china-for-wuhan-coronavirus-video/
      @ Gateway Pundit
      Watch this news bunny twit at CNN get all upset because Peter Navarro dared to state the obvvious.
      China is responsible for the spread of the Coronavirus. They covered up and lied for weeks.


    71. RIX
      72 | March 27, 2020 6:26 am

      https://www.weaselzippers.us/446128-dr-anthony-fauci-says-coronavirus-is-likely-seasonal-what-does-that-mean/
      @ Weasel Zippers
      Dr Fauci says that this virus may be seasonal. That would be great and I have believed that for some time.
      So we really need an early warm up. My concern though is will the virus just go dormant and come back in the Fall?


    72. rain of lead
      73 | March 27, 2020 6:47 am

      morning y’all


    73. eaglesoars
      76 | March 27, 2020 8:04 am

      @ coldwarrior:

      per Aussis’s posts last nite, I wonder if they’re partnering w/any Chinese concerns


    74. coldwarrior
      77 | March 27, 2020 8:26 am

      eaglesoars wrote:

      @ coldwarrior:

      per Aussis’s posts last nite, I wonder if they’re partnering w/any Chinese concerns

      i guarantee it.

      i’d like to see trump address this just to get under that bastard romney’s skin.


    75. coldwarrior
      78 | March 27, 2020 8:54 am

      https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/26/coronavirus-why-trump-is-at-odds-with-experts-over-using-malaria-drugs.html

      this does a better job explaining than i could

      and one has to be VERY careful prescribing off label and prescribing anti-malaria drugs to people with comorbidities. anti malaria drugs are more or less chemo therapy.


    76. coldwarrior
      79 | March 27, 2020 9:04 am

      The lysosomotropic character of chloroquine is believed to account for much of its antimalarial activity; the drug concentrates in the acidic food vacuole of the parasite and interferes with essential processes. Its lysosomotropic properties further allow for its use for in vitro experiments pertaining to intracellular lipid related diseases,[26][27] autophagy, and apoptosis.[28]

      Inside red blood cells, the malarial parasite, which is then in its asexual lifecycle stage, must degrade hemoglobin to acquire essential amino acids, which the parasite requires to construct its own protein and for energy metabolism. Digestion is carried out in a vacuole of the parasitic cell.[citation needed]

      Hemoglobin is composed of a protein unit (digested by the parasite) and a heme unit (not used by the parasite). During this process, the parasite releases the toxic and soluble molecule heme. The heme moiety consists of a porphyrin ring called Fe(II)-protoporphyrin IX (FP). To avoid destruction by this molecule, the parasite biocrystallizes heme to form hemozoin, a nontoxic molecule. Hemozoin collects in the digestive vacuole as insoluble crystals.[citation needed]

      Chloroquine enters the red blood cell by simple diffusion, inhibiting the parasite cell and digestive vacuole. Chloroquine then becomes protonated (to CQ2+), as the digestive vacuole is known to be acidic (pH 4.7); chloroquine then cannot leave by diffusion. Chloroquine caps hemozoin molecules to prevent further biocrystallization of heme, thus leading to heme buildup. Chloroquine binds to heme (or FP) to form the FP-chloroquine complex; this complex is highly toxic to the cell and disrupts membrane function. Action of the toxic FP-chloroquine and FP results in cell lysis and ultimately parasite cell autodigestion.[29] Parasites that do not form hemozoin are therefore resistant to chloroquine.[30]


    77. coldwarrior
      80 | March 27, 2020 9:05 am

      Chloroquine has antiviral effects.[34] It increases late endosomal and lysosomal pH, resulting in impaired release of the virus from the endosome or lysosome – release of the virus requires a low pH. The virus is therefore unable to release its genetic material into the cell and replicate.[35][36]

      Chloroquine also seems to act as a zinc ionophore, that allows extracellular zinc to enter the cell and inhibit viral RNA-dependent RNA polymerase.[37][38]


    78. 81 | March 27, 2020 9:06 am

      @ coldwarrior:
      I’d be fine with loans to small and medium sized businesses to help them through this time. But Boeing, GE and Monsanto? Not so much.


    79. coldwarrior
      82 | March 27, 2020 9:12 am

      pH has a direct effect on how proteins, the building blocks of enzymes and such) work.

      for instance, a patient will lose oxygen exchange as pH goes up from the ‘normal range’ because the hemoglobin cant bind to the oxygen


    80. eaglesoars
      83 | March 27, 2020 9:34 am

      @ coldwarrior:

      ok, I read it and understood it. I thought I was reading a gross horror tale of monsters devouring one another! Even though I got the basics of pH in school, I really learned about it when I started to learn about skin care (toners are essential must haves).

      What part does the azithromycin play in this macabre feast? I think it’s an antibiotic?


    81. eaglesoars
      84 | March 27, 2020 9:36 am

      right_wing2 wrote:

      @ coldwarrior:
      I’d be fine with loans to small and medium sized businesses to help them through this time. But Boeing, GE and Monsanto? Not so much.

      Why? They employ a lot of people.


    82. coldwarrior
      85 | March 27, 2020 9:38 am

      eaglesoars wrote:

      I thought I was reading a gross horror tale of monsters devouring one another!

      you were


    83. coldwarrior
    84. eaglesoars
      87 | March 27, 2020 9:45 am

      coldwarrior wrote:

      @ eaglesoars:

      ePub

      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32205204

      you found it!! That’s the doc I posted days ago and couldn’t find again. bookmarked it this time, yessiree……….


    85. coldwarrior
      88 | March 27, 2020 9:48 am

      @ eaglesoars:

      azithromycin does two things very well, it prevents/cures the secondary bacterial infection in a viral infection of the lungs (pneumonia)while it also has a large anti-inflamatory and anti-viral synergy when used with anti-virals.

      that pathway is not yet fully understood


    86. eaglesoars
      89 | March 27, 2020 9:48 am

      Also, I THINK NY is going to start this drug protocol today. I THINK


    87. Buckeye Abroad
      91 | March 27, 2020 9:51 am

      coldwarrior wrote:

      @ RIX:
      thanks. the weeks of radiation to my neck and base of the tongue are going to be the worst.
      the choice was chemo and lots of rads with no surgery, or surgery with less rads and no chemo.
      i’ll take surgical pain over more rads and chemo!

      Damn. You are definitely in my prayer line up.

      Germany is following the Italian model regarding distance in the ques and limiting personnel. Italy had +8k dead from this mornings news of gloom.


    88. coldwarrior
      92 | March 27, 2020 9:52 am

      Our preliminary results also suggest a synergistic effect of the combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin. Azithromycin has been shown to be active in vitro against Zika and Ebola viruses [20], [21], [22] and to prevent severe respiratory tract infections when administrated to patients suffering viral infection [23]. This finding should be further explored to know whether a combination is more effective especially in severe cases. Speculated potential risk of severe QT prolongation induced by the association of the two drugs has not been established yet but should be considered. As for each treatment, the cost benefits of the risk should be evaluated individually. Further studies on this combination are needed, since such combination may both act as an antiviral therapy against SARS-CoV-2 and prevent bacterial super-infections.


    89. coldwarrior
      93 | March 27, 2020 9:55 am

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Also, I THINK NY is going to start this drug protocol today. I THINK

      MI’s governor just threatened to take the licenses of pharmacists and MDs if they use this combo.

      she cant do that. this is posing. taking a license is the purview of the state board, not the little marxist bitch in the governor’s mansion.


    90. coldwarrior
      94 | March 27, 2020 9:57 am

      @ coldwarrior:

      and that paragraph is key.

      ok, use it. but be careful, and only use it when very necessary.

      MDs should be immune from law suits if they and the patient decide to use this as we are in uncharted and not yet understood territory with these meds used in combination


    91. eaglesoars
      95 | March 27, 2020 10:00 am

      coldwarrior wrote:

      @ eaglesoars:

      full text

      https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924857920300996?via%3Dihub

      thank you


    92. Buckeye Abroad
      96 | March 27, 2020 10:01 am

      @ coldwarrior:

      I think you are right. Around the holidays a lot us were having flu like symptoms that hung around a long time.


    93. coldwarrior
      97 | March 27, 2020 10:01 am

      RESULTS:

      Six patients were asymptomatic, 22 had upper respiratory tract infection symptoms and eight had lower respiratory tract infection symptoms. Twenty cases were treated in this study and showed a significant reduction of the viral carriage at D6-post inclusion compared to controls, and much lower average carrying duration than reported of untreated patients in the literature. Azithromycin added to hydroxychloroquine was significantly more efficient for virus elimination.


    94. coldwarrior
      98 | March 27, 2020 10:02 am

      Buckeye Abroad wrote:

      @ coldwarrior:

      I think you are right. Around the holidays a lot us were having flu like symptoms that hung around a long time.

      something was definitely going on. we were all sick at home, in the ER and had a massive patient load who were flu a/b negative. we weren’t testing for CV, as that would be like testing for the common cold.


    95. coldwarrior
      99 | March 27, 2020 10:06 am

      @ coldwarrior:
      because i have a heavy background in stats, i dislike small ‘N’ studies. they tend to not translate well to large ‘N’ studies where there are thousands of people involved in a larger geographic area.

      larger studies across larger areas with a more diverse population tend to reveal confounding factors that make the small N study invalid.

      in english, small N results often do not translate to large N results


    96. eaglesoars
      100 | March 27, 2020 10:07 am

      coldwarrior wrote:

      MDs should be immune from law suits if they and the patient decide to use this as we are in uncharted and not yet understood territory with these meds used in combination

      I’m betting the ‘right to try’ regs have that covered


    97. eaglesoars
      101 | March 27, 2020 10:08 am

      coldwarrior wrote:

      in english, small N results often do not translate to large N results

      same thing with recipes, ya know?


    98. coldwarrior
      102 | March 27, 2020 10:08 am

      hmmm

      https://erj.ersjournals.com/content/36/3/646


    99. 103 | March 27, 2020 10:09 am

      @ coldwarrior:

      Amazing how many governors these days are practicing medicine without a license. And apparently practicing law without one as well, considering the threats they’re making.


    100. coldwarrior
    101. coldwarrior
      105 | March 27, 2020 10:10 am

      Azithromycin, but not erythromycin or telithromycin, significantly increased rhinovirus 1B- and rhinovirus 16-induced interferons and interferon-stimulated gene mRNA expression and protein production. Furthermore, azithromycin significantly reduced rhinovirus replication and release. Rhinovirus induced IL-6 and IL-8 protein and mRNA expression were not significantly reduced by azithromycin pre-treatment. In conclusion, the results demonstrate that azithromycin has anti-rhinoviral activity in bronchial epithelial cells and, during rhinovirus infection, increases the production of interferon-stimulated genes.


    102. eaglesoars
      106 | March 27, 2020 10:10 am

      coldwarrior wrote:

      MI’s governor just threatened to take the licenses of pharmacists and MDs if they use this combo.

      They’re trying to recall the Nevada Governor for banning it. He said he was trying to prevent hoarding – and maybe he was, I dunno – but people don’t believe him, they think it was just an anti-Trump spite move and they want his ass out.


    103. coldwarrior
      107 | March 27, 2020 10:11 am

      Interferons are a group of signaling proteins made and released by host cells in response to the presence of several viruses. In a typical scenario, a virus-infected cell will release interferons causing nearby cells to heighten their anti-viral defenses.


    104. coldwarrior
      108 | March 27, 2020 10:12 am

      Interferons (IFNs, /ˌɪntərˈfɪərɒn/[1]) are a group of signaling proteins[2] made and released by host cells in response to the presence of several viruses. In a typical scenario, a virus-infected cell will release interferons causing nearby cells to heighten their anti-viral defenses.

      IFNs belong to the large class of proteins known as cytokines, molecules used for communication between cells to trigger the protective defenses of the immune system that help eradicate pathogens.[3] Interferons are named for their ability to “interfere” with viral replication[3] by protecting cells from virus infections. IFNs also have various other functions: they activate immune cells, such as natural killer cells and macrophages; they increase host defenses by up-regulating antigen presentation by virtue of increasing the expression of major histocompatibility complex (MHC) antigens. Certain symptoms of infections, such as fever, muscle pain and “flu-like symptoms”, are also caused by the production of IFNs and other cytokines.

      More than twenty distinct IFN genes and proteins have been identified in animals, including humans. They are typically divided among three classes: Type I IFN, Type II IFN, and Type III IFN. IFNs belonging to all three classes are important for fighting viral infections and for the regulation of the immune system.


    105. coldwarrior
      109 | March 27, 2020 10:17 am

      The Barbarian wrote:

      @ coldwarrior:

      Amazing how many governors these days are practicing medicine without a license. And apparently practicing law without one as well, considering the threats they’re making.

      the nomenklatura knows what is best for you.


    106. coldwarrior
      110 | March 27, 2020 10:18 am

      @ Buckeye Abroad:

      yeah, this is definitely going suck. bigly.


    107. eaglesoars
      111 | March 27, 2020 10:18 am

      BREAKING: FCC grants 33 wireless Internet service providers temporary authority to use the 5.9 GHz band in 330 counties across 29 states to provide rural broadband during the coronavirus pandemic. #KeepAmericansConnected

      https://twitter.com/matthewberryfcc/status/1243540686848352260


    108. coldwarrior
      112 | March 27, 2020 10:21 am

      @ eaglesoars:
      1.21 gigawatts!

      😉

      i need a new flux capacitor!


    109. eaglesoars
      113 | March 27, 2020 10:23 am

      @ coldwarrior:

      Back in 2000 when Hubby was diagnosed with melanoma, they were starting trials with interferon. We met one guy who was getting it at John Wayne Center in Texas. It was a last-ditch kind of thing, and it turned out to not work, ultimately, but results looked really promising at first


    110. 114 | March 27, 2020 10:24 am

      coldwarrior wrote:

      Buckeye Abroad wrote:

      @ coldwarrior:

      I think you are right. Around the holidays a lot us were having flu like symptoms that hung around a long time.

      something was definitely going on. we were all sick at home, in the ER and had a massive patient load who were flu a/b negative. we weren’t testing for CV, as that would be like testing for the common cold.

      Flyboy and I both had what we thought was a rather annoying cold that stuck around for about two weeks last December near Christmas – had maybe one or two days where we were really sick and then were fine. Now I’m wondering if we might actually have contracted COVID-19, and got better on our own, believing that all we had was a severe cold.

      What’s doing to be interesting is if they start testing people to see if their blood contains the antibodies.


    111. 115 | March 27, 2020 10:26 am

      coldwarrior wrote:

      The Barbarian wrote:

      @ coldwarrior:

      Amazing how many governors these days are practicing medicine without a license. And apparently practicing law without one as well, considering the threats they’re making.

      the nomenklatura knows what is best for you.

      I literally have a piece of paper that says I am an “essential employee” so that I can go TO work. Just in case I get stopped by a police officer asking why I am riding on public transportation or out on the streets of Oakland.

      This is AMERICA???


    112. coldwarrior
      116 | March 27, 2020 10:30 am

      @ The Barbarian:
      the back of my ID card tells law enforcement to expedite my travel.


    113. eaglesoars
      117 | March 27, 2020 10:31 am

      oh, lordy, Haley Stevens (D-MI) just LOST it on the House floor when she ran out of time. She was screaming. SCREAMING

      https://twitter.com/bubblegoose121/status/1243544408731025408


    114. RIX
      118 | March 27, 2020 10:31 am

      The Barbarian wrote:

      @ coldwarrior:

      Amazing how many governors these days are practicing medicine without a license. And apparently practicing law without one as well, considering the threats they’re making.

      The pygmy. lesbian mayor of Chicago has gone all Gestapo.


    115. eaglesoars
      119 | March 27, 2020 10:36 am

      We’ve been watching number is Europe. What’s the population of India? A lot. It’s just started hitting the villages. This guy, Ramandeep Singh Mann, is my insight into ag in India and has been a pretty reliable source.

      Bitter Truth=The “bomb” has already exploded, #coronavirus is now travelling to the villages, forget #coronatesting, low sensitisation levels, paucity of health services, will result in mahyem. I am not an alarmist, but I know villages. People will intermingle & sh*t hits the fan

      https://twitter.com/ramanmann1974/status/1243543931696144396

      ok, I’m off, later.


    116. eaglesoars
      120 | March 27, 2020 10:39 am

      RIX wrote:

      The pygmy. lesbian

      AAnndddd….I expect a new keyboard forthwith, thank you very much


    117. coldwarrior
      122 | March 27, 2020 10:41 am

      @ eaglesoars:

      people really don’t understand how to use gloves and masks.

      its almost comical.

      and that bitch is nutz!!!

      that was a dem that ruled her out of order too….


    118. RIX
      123 | March 27, 2020 10:41 am

      eaglesoars wrote:

      RIX wrote:

      The pygmy. lesbian

      AAnndddd….I expect a new keyboard forthwith, thank you very much

      As long as you had a laugh.


    119. coldwarrior
      124 | March 27, 2020 10:45 am

      @ RIX:

      30k a semester…for that.


    120. coldwarrior
      125 | March 27, 2020 10:45 am

      gotta go run some errands….bbl.

      enjoy the light reading above!

      🙄


    121. eaglesoars
      126 | March 27, 2020 10:48 am

      RIX wrote:

      https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/03/27/embarrassing-tisch-school-of-the-arts-dean-denies-students-a-coronavirus-refund-with-bizarre-video-of-herself-dancing-watch/
      @ Teitchy
      Weird

      Did you catch the lyrics to the song she chose? What a BITCH!!

      I thought I saw you cry….losin’ my tuition…


    122. eaglesoars
      127 | March 27, 2020 11:29 am

      Article by Fauci in the New England Journal of Medicine publ yesterday. Haven’t had time to read, but wanted to post

      Covid-19 — Navigating the Uncharted

      https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387


    123. eaglesoars
      128 | March 27, 2020 11:30 am

      @ eaglesoars:

      sorry, as I scrolled down I see it was publ Feb 2020


    124. Guggi
      129 | March 27, 2020 11:43 am

      Hi @{{{eagle}}}

      https://www.nytimes.com/video/nyregion/100000007052136/coronavirus-elmhurst-hospital-queens.html?referringSource=articleShare&fbclid=IwAR0kNN3OkIRhrzg_ml0TW7pxN93kC1Odj1Dhopv1vIdDEcbEZ2cXaGkR0PA

      Do I have to say I hate the CCP?

      We have been locked down now since 11 days. I’m not sure if that is the Cure or will bring us to our knees

      (off again)


    125. eaglesoars
      130 | March 27, 2020 11:50 am

      @ Guggi:

      Hi! Bye! The NYT article – ALL of it – is inaccurate. Or to be blunt, they lied. Completely.

      Hubby and are are ok as we’ve worked out of our house for years, but as for everybody else – I give it 2 weeks and Americans tell the ‘experts’ to fuck right off and get out of the way.

      Stay safe and be happy, wonderful to see you again!


    126. 131 | March 27, 2020 12:00 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      @ RIX:

      30k a semester…for that.

      I suspect this will come back to haunt her big time in the lawsuit those students and their parents will be filing.


    127. eaglesoars
      132 | March 27, 2020 12:02 pm

      I haven’t seen it but Chris Plante said Trump just tweeted that thousands of ventilators have been found in storage in NY and Cuomo had better get off his ass and distribute them.

      *snort*

      ‘k bye


    128. 133 | March 27, 2020 12:14 pm

      Drew Brees and his wife have committed $5 million for COVID relief in Louisiana, where it looks like cases are on the rise (meanwhile, the mayor of New Orleans, when asked why she didn’t shut down Mardi Gras, blamed President Trump for not “ordering her to”; she’s Ray Nagin in a skirt).

      I’d like to see how many other NFL players step up and help out where they can for the cities.

      Of course, we know that the Krapperdick won’t be parting with any of that ill-gotten settlement money from the NFL to help the underprivileged he professes to care so much about.


    129. 134 | March 27, 2020 12:15 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      Oh man, that’s hilarious. Sort of like those relief supplies sent to Puerto Rico that the governor forgot to distribute.

      And with that, whaddaya bet Cuomo is no longer looking like the dream candidate for the Dems?


    130. coldwarrior
      135 | March 27, 2020 12:16 pm

      The Barbarian wrote:

      when asked why she didn’t shut down Mardi Gras, blamed President Trump for not “ordering her to”;

      the free shit army in NO voted for this


    131. coldwarrior
      136 | March 27, 2020 12:28 pm

      @ The Barbarian:

      whose going to run all of these vents?


    132. RIX
      137 | March 27, 2020 12:58 pm

      ,eaglesoars wrote:

      RIX wrote:

      https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/03/27/embarrassing-tisch-school-of-the-arts-dean-denies-students-a-coronavirus-refund-with-bizarre-video-of-herself-dancing-watch/
      @ Teitchy
      Weird

      Did you catch the lyrics to the song she chose? What a BITCH!!

      I thought I saw you cry….losin’ my tuition…

      Hardcore bitch.


    133. RIX
      138 | March 27, 2020 1:01 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      @ RIX:

      30k a semester…for that.

      Think about that. It is absurd.


    134. Calo
      140 | March 27, 2020 1:04 pm

      @ coldwarrior:
      Exactly, I was trying to get that point across the other night here. It’s not a matter of how many vents you have, someone has to know what they are doing and monitor these patients, be it a nurse, doc or respiratory therapist. And, not are nurses are able to do so.

      As for putting 2 patients on a vent- well that has it’s own set of problems in logistics. Because most of these patients need higher than normal PEEP setting, how are you going to put a little old lady who is 5 feet tall and weighs about 110 pounds on the same vent with a 6’5″ man?


    135. coldwarrior
      141 | March 27, 2020 1:09 pm

      @ Calo:

      proper PEEP for one would turn the other user into a pulmonary cripple.

      don’t mess with the PEEP, peeps. for real. (unless you REALLY have to)


    136. RIX
      142 | March 27, 2020 1:09 pm

      https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/03/27/shes-gonna-blow-aoc-doesnt-quite-meltdown-like-rep-haley-stevens-during-coronavirus-house-debate-buuut-its-close-watch/
      @ Twitchy
      Finally the voice or reason AOC joins the conversation.
      Just kidding , she flaps he arms like a lunatic.


    137. RIX
      143 | March 27, 2020 1:13 pm

      https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/03/27/holy-sht-this-was-insane-democratic-rep-haley-stevens-absolutely-loses-it-on-the-floor-and-chaos-ensues-watch/
      @ Twitchy
      You have to see this. This woman makes AOC look measured and rational and that takes a world class performance.


    138. RIX
      144 | March 27, 2020 1:14 pm

      @ coldwarrior:
      I must have misunderstood. I thought that you had a scheduled surgery today.


    139. coldwarrior
      145 | March 27, 2020 1:14 pm

      @ RIX:
      @ RIX:

      they need to go back to acting class or be committed to an asylum.

      one or the other


    140. coldwarrior
      146 | March 27, 2020 1:17 pm

      RIX wrote:

      @ coldwarrior:
      I must have misunderstood. I thought that you had a scheduled surgery today.

      april first. me and the da vinci machine are going to hang out for a few hours


    141. RIX
      147 | March 27, 2020 1:29 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      @ RIX:
      @ RIX:

      they need to go back to acting class or be committed to an asylum.

      one or the other

      They are both asylum candidates.


    142. RIX
      148 | March 27, 2020 1:31 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      RIX wrote:

      @ coldwarrior:
      I must have misunderstood. I thought that you had a scheduled surgery today.

      april first. me and the da vinci machine are going to hang out for a few hours

      Got ya. You will hit it out of the park, and that is probably the closest we will come to baseball this year.


    143. 149 | March 27, 2020 2:39 pm

      @ eaglesoars:
      We can’t keep bailing everyone out.

      Maybe loans but at a higher interest rate than Joe’s Burger Shack.


    144. eaglesoars
      150 | March 27, 2020 3:55 pm

      right_wing2 wrote:

      We can’t keep bailing everyone out.

      yeah, go hold Nancy Pelosi’s beer……..


    145. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      151 | March 27, 2020 4:38 pm

      Well, Governor Shithead made sure to make a point of saying that parks, playgrounds, and outdoor rec areas were not included in his stay at home order. So, in steps our county unelected bureaucrat. He has closed all of those exempted areas in our county. This little jackass is really loving this crisis, he’s feeling the power of his position like never before. And since he doesn’t have to worry about elections he can do whatever he wants without any repercussions.


    146. coldwarrior
      152 | March 27, 2020 4:51 pm

      @ Deplorable Martian Overlord:
      Unelected bureaucrats.


    147. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      153 | March 27, 2020 5:05 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      @ Deplorable Martian Overlord:
      Unelected bureaucrats.

      Yeah, this guy is a real piece of work. County health dept. Completely insane. Hitler in training. He’s ready to fire up the death camps. Every order the governor gives, he has to one up him. Governor shuts something down for two weeks he shuts it down for four, governor shuts down 10 types of businesses he shuts down 20, governor gives exemptions, he takes them away. This guy is insane and no one in local government is showing the least bit of interest in stopping him, local complaints are falling on deaf ears because “muh corona”.


    148. eaglesoars
      154 | March 27, 2020 5:21 pm

      I dunno what’s wrong with Fox Business. She’s absolutely right. They just fired Trish Regan because she said media coverage is an attempt to impeach Trump. I never much liked her, she makes my teeth itch, but she’s absolutely right


    149. eaglesoars
      155 | March 27, 2020 5:28 pm

      It looks like Nevada is right up there in the Pharmacology Phuck Up universe.

      Three drug companies have gone to court saying Nevada improperly acquired their drugs for execution, not an approved use. The top doc in the state says the dosages proposed would be enough to kill a ‘mammoth’

      The top doc is one Ihsan Assam. He was an ob/gyn (he says) in Africa “for several years”, came here in the 1990s, never got a license to practice med, has no background in pain mgmt or anesthesia, worked in the U.S. in ‘environmental health and epidemiology’.

      So that’s who the governor was listening to when he overstepped his authority and started banning drug protocols?


    150. Aussie Infidel
      157 | March 27, 2020 5:30 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      If I see anybody in a hazmat suit walking the streets it’s too late, so I’m not worrying about it.

      eaglesoars wrote:

      We’ve been watching number is Europe. What’s the population of India?

      1.35 Billion is the Indian population and the bulk is located in the central and southern poor regions mostly in villages and small towns


    151. Aussie Infidel
      158 | March 27, 2020 5:34 pm

      @ eaglesoars:
      Stevens (D) is batshit crazy. She was being given an extra 30 seconds to finish up but by then she had already totally lost her rag and was not listening to anyone. She is obviously not suited to operate in the Chamber if she can’t control herself. Especially when the only problem was that she didn’t time her verbose meanderings to fit within her allotted time.

      Perhaps however she was just playing to the cameras and attempting to gain noteriarity as she gets ready for November


    152. Aussie Infidel
      159 | March 27, 2020 5:36 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      So that’s who the governor was listening to when he overstepped his authority and started banning drug protocols?

      The ignorant leading the stupid !

      🙂

      There is a lot of that going about right now


    153. Aussie Infidel
      160 | March 27, 2020 5:43 pm

      Deplorable Martian Overlord wrote:

      Well, Governor Shithead made sure to make a point of saying that parks, playgrounds, and outdoor rec areas were not included in his stay at home order

      That is a MAJOR cock-up right there. Doesn’t he know that hard surfaces can maintain viable virus for 48-72 hours.
      Think of all those little fingers on swing chains and park equipment. Then they go home and infest Grandma and grandpa!

      This idiot needs stopping for his own good and the good of the rest of the State. He needs to be ‘educated’ and then if he persists in this BS he needs to be RECALLED immediately


    154. Aussie Infidel
      161 | March 27, 2020 5:46 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      april first. me and the da vinci machine are going to hang out for a few hours

      April 1 ehhh!

      Your reputation must have proceeded you mate!

      HEH!

      🙂


    155. coldwarrior
      162 | March 27, 2020 5:49 pm

      @ Aussie Infidel:
      Sun kills virii


    156. Aussie Infidel
      163 | March 27, 2020 5:53 pm

      @ coldwarrior:
      Riddle me this Cold

      Now that the Covid 19 bill has passed packed to the gunnels with pork … is not up to the Executive branch to now ‘spend’ that porkine $$$’?’

      Trump has all the time in the world NOT to dash in and actually spend these $$$. Like 4 1/2 years or more. Can he also raid the $$$ piggy bank for $$$$ that may be obliquely used for other similar projects … like the DoD cash for the Fence?

      Or have I got all that wrong?


    157. coldwarrior
      164 | March 27, 2020 5:54 pm

      @ Aussie Infidel:
      He does not HAVE to spend any of it. From what I understand


    158. eaglesoars
      165 | March 27, 2020 5:58 pm

      So first Spain and Czech Repub tossed Chinese testing kits because their accuracy is around 30%, now Turkey has found the same thing. But Turkey did them all better. They ordered MORE tests from China – just from a different company. It’s the same company, sweetcakes, the CCP


    159. eaglesoars
      166 | March 27, 2020 6:09 pm

      um…

      But it’s the alphabet soup of new programs that deserve special consideration, as they could have profound long-term consequences for the functioning of the Fed and the allocation of capital in financial markets. Specifically, these are:

      CPFF (Commercial Paper Funding Facility) – buying commercial paper from the issuer. PMCCF (Primary Market Corporate Credit Facility) – buying corporate bonds from the issuer. TALF (Term Asset-Backed Securities Loan Facility) – funding backstop for asset-backed securities. SMCCF (Secondary Market Corporate Credit Facility) – buying corporate bonds and bond ETFs in the secondary market. MSBLP (Main Street Business Lending Program) – Details are to come, but it will lend to eligible small and medium-size businesses, complementing efforts by the Small Business Association.

      To put it bluntly, the Fed isn’t allowed to do any of this. The central bank is only allowed to purchase or lend against securities that have government guarantee. This includes Treasury securities, agency mortgage-backed securities and the debt issued by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. An argument can be made that can also include municipal securities, but nothing in the laundry list above.

      So how can they do this? The Fed will finance a special purpose vehicle (SPV) for each acronym to conduct these operations. The Treasury, using the Exchange Stabilization Fund, will make an equity investment in each SPV and be in a “first loss” position. What does this mean? In essence, the Treasury, not the Fed, is buying all these securities and backstopping of loans; the Fed is acting as banker and providing financing. The Fed hired BlackRock Inc. to purchase these securities and handle the administration of the SPVs on behalf of the owner, the Treasury.

      In other words, the federal government is nationalizing large swaths of the financial markets. The Fed is providing the money to do it. BlackRock will be doing the trades.

      This scheme essentially merges the Fed and Treasury into one organization. So, meet your new Fed chairman, Donald J. Trump.

      https://finance.yahoo.com/news/feds-cure-risks-being-worse-110052807.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw


    160. eaglesoars
      167 | March 27, 2020 6:13 pm

      Call up

      https://twitter.com/W7VOA/status/1243655395534614529

      Order by @POTUS authorizes “to active duty not to exceed 24 consecutive months, such units, and individual members of the Ready Reserve under the jurisdiction of the Secretary concerned, not to exceed 1,000,000 members on active duty at any one time.

      In a letter to @SpeakerPelosi , @POTUS says this authority is necessary to ensure @DeptofDefense and @DHSgov “can properly conduct operations required to meet our evolving security challenges and to support” the US government response to #COVID19.

      The authorization is effective today “in accordance with section 301 of the National Emergencies Act.”

      Copy of letter at link


    161. coldwarrior
      168 | March 27, 2020 6:13 pm

      @ eaglesoars:
      Wow. Yahoo finance is a fiscal conservative site now!


    162. Aussie Infidel
      169 | March 27, 2020 6:18 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      @ Aussie Infidel:
      He does not HAVE to spend any of it. From what I understand

      Great.
      Then if it an official ‘slush’ fund he can now spend it on the FENCE.

      Please spend it on the FENCE. Just for the entertainment value of seeing all of the Dem’s heads explode simultaneously

      HEH!

      🙂


    163. Aussie Infidel
      170 | March 27, 2020 6:24 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      The Treasury, using the Exchange Stabilization Fund, will make an equity investment in each SPV and be in a “first loss” position

      My wild arsed guess FWIW is that such equity investment in the SPV will be first cab off the rank for $$$ in case the equity goes ‘south’

      🙂


    164. Aussie Infidel
      171 | March 27, 2020 6:30 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      @ Aussie Infidel:
      Sun kills virii

      Yup.

      Mrs AI wert grocery shopping for neighbours this morning dressed in her ‘pitch hitter’ bio protective suit …. light plastic ski over jacket with elasticised hood and overpants, with throw away gloves and full respirator Chem Mask from her lab. Nobody even blinked at the Supermarket. Used 5% bleach spray we made up to wash down all clothing and groceries and the mask . The over clothes are hanging on the line in the sun and the clothes Mrs. AI wore are in the washing machine.

      Just in case!


    165. Aussie Infidel
      172 | March 27, 2020 6:35 pm

      @ coldwarrior:
      We’re worried sick about Little Rohan as he has compromised lungs. His dad is a cop and it wasn’t until Friday that they got proper protective gear. Up until then he had to find his own mask and gloves but somehow all the cop[s did.

      He changes at the Station showers and gets into clean clothes for the drive home. Gets straight into the shower and the clothes he came home in go straight into the washing machine.

      Rohan’s mum is working from home trying to keep the Auckland City Council IT going.

      They felt it safer to keep him with them and close to Auckland City Hospital Starship Kids hospital where all of the Sistic fibrosis teams are.


    166. eaglesoars
      173 | March 27, 2020 6:36 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      @ eaglesoars:
      Wow. Yahoo finance is a fiscal conservative site now!

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      My wild arsed guess FWIW is that such equity investment in the SPV will be first cab off the rank for $$$ in case the equity goes ‘south’

      Beats me. I didn’t understand a word of it.


    167. eaglesoars
      174 | March 27, 2020 6:39 pm

      Flu drives hospitals into ‘war zone’ conditions: Tents on the street in California, ‘state of emergency’ in Alabama, and Boston is using GATORADE to plug shortage of IV drips

      The flu is devastating 49 states with Alabama declaring a State of Emergency

      California hospitals have been compared to a war zone with emergency tents used for major disasters set up in parking lots to treat patients suffering from this year’s deadly flu outbreak.

      Scores of overcrowded and understaffed facilities are treating patients in hallways, turning storage closets into hospital rooms and cancelling surgeries to have more staff to tend to flu patients.

      The flu is devastating 49 states with Alabama declaring a State of Emergency, Boston hospitals pumping Gatorade through stomach tubes and hospitals in Texas and Minnesota turning patients away

      Jan 2018

      Anybody remember this?

      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-5279685/California-hospitals-looks-like-flu-war-zone.html


    168. Aussie Infidel
      175 | March 27, 2020 6:42 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Article by Fauci in the New England Journal of Medicine publ yesterday. Haven’t had time to read, but wanted to post

      Covid-19 — Navigating the Uncharted

      https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387

      Nothing particularly jumped out at me in the article. Mostly a recap of stuff already out these.

      🙂


    169. Aussie Infidel
      176 | March 27, 2020 6:48 pm

      @ coldwarrior:
      Have they asked for volunteers from qualified retired or now ‘working in other fields’ medical staffs yet. Call went out yesterday and there was an instant response from 2,500 semi-retired doctors and loads of nurses who have been taking maternal leave or have left the work force to raise kids. Loade more volunteered to man infection tracing computers to replace operational staff for re-deployment.

      Anything like that in the States yet. Might be worth making a suggestion.

      I know that about 15% of Air NZ 4500 cabin crew have nursing backgrounds and they are at a loose end right now as Air ops are way down.


    170. eaglesoars
      177 | March 27, 2020 6:48 pm

      Brian Cates is saying Trump released a plan to restruct the Fed/gov’t about 18 mos ago but hasn’t had a chance to follow up on it. Apparently, this was part of his plan – and that $2.2 bil he just signed is one giant slush fund that he controls (I think Sundance said the same thing). So given Mnuchen has been his point man w/Congress on this, I think when you get to the end of the logic diagram – Steve Mnuchen is running the Fed, and thru him, Trump is?

      Brian is going to write more on it later, hopefully I’ll better understand then


    171. eaglesoars
      178 | March 27, 2020 6:51 pm

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      Have they asked for volunteers from qualified retired or now ‘working in other fields’ medical staffs yet.

      see my #167. There WAS a voluntary recall (Lobo got a letter, so did someone on another blog), but now it looks general. 100K for no longer than 24 months.


    172. lobo91
      179 | March 27, 2020 6:54 pm

      @ eaglesoars:

      1 million, not 100k


    173. eaglesoars
      180 | March 27, 2020 6:56 pm

      The neverTrumpers are mentally ill. This is the NYT

      I WANT THEM TO BE APPRECIATIVE: After complaining about govs in affected states who have taken issue with the USG response, TRUMP says “all I want them to do — very simple — I want them to be appreciative. … We’ve done a great job.”

      This, in a nutshell, is the TRUMP DOCTRINE.

      https://twitter.com/kenvogel/status/1243666614152814601

      And look who jumps on it because it’s all they know how to do – LAWFARE

      it’s also arguably a violation of the Take Care Clause and an impeachable offense

      Trump should be impeached because he’d like to be appreciated. These people should be turned out into the desert to wander for 40 years.


    174. eaglesoars
      181 | March 27, 2020 6:57 pm

      lobo91 wrote:

      @ eaglesoars:

      1 million, not 100k

      well, talk about trivial quibbles!! sheesh!


    175. Aussie Infidel
      182 | March 27, 2020 7:03 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      Have they asked for volunteers from qualified retired or now ‘working in other fields’ medical staffs yet.

      see my #167. There WAS a voluntary recall (Lobo got a letter, so did someone on another blog), but now it looks general. 100K for no longer than 24 months.

      Yup I understood that. The Reserves in Australia have been given a Warning Order to report for duty. Not in NZ yet.

      What I was asking about involves Civilian semi-retired doctors and nurses as volunteers NOT military reservists.


    176. eaglesoars
      183 | March 27, 2020 7:26 pm

      It would take a heart of stone….

      Hundreds of journalists are being laid off, right when the public needs them the most

      https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/27/media/media-layoffs/index.html

      @ Aussie Infidel:

      Your son & DIL must be exhausted. How old is Rohan now?


    177. Aussie Infidel
      184 | March 27, 2020 7:44 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      @ Aussie Infidel:

      Your son & DIL must be exhausted. How old is Rohan now?

      He is totally stuffer trying to get the fact that there is a general isolation across the whole country, into the heads of bone head drongos. There was a party of a dozen Pacific Islanders having a park picnic and Bar-B-Que. They all claimed that they knew NOTHING of the general lockdown!

      There are also ‘snowflakes’ who get off just being contrary. The cops are still into the ‘Education’ Phase right now. Tell the idiots what’s now expected of them and to get off the streets don’t congregate and go home. Next week comes the Police formal warnings and being marched back to their abodes.. Week after that comes the arrest and being charged and coming before Judge only trial resulting in a substantial fine, (how do you get blood out of a stone?). Then comes arrest and getting locked up.

      At least the cops now have protective gear.
      Rohan is 18 months old and a darling little blue eyed blond. He’s a good little boy and it’d tear the heart out of his dad to not give him lots of cuddles everyday


    178. lobo91
      185 | March 27, 2020 7:46 pm


    179. eaglesoars
      186 | March 27, 2020 8:01 pm

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      Then comes arrest and getting locked up.

      do that first, they’ll educate themselves real quick.


    180. AZfederalist
      187 | March 27, 2020 8:47 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      she cant do that. this is posing. taking a license is the purview of the state board, not the little marxist bitch in the governor’s mansion.

      Thank-you, I was wondering where all of this imperial power was coming from. Turns out they are issuing edicts and hoping people blindly comply.


    181. AZfederalist
      188 | March 27, 2020 9:19 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Hubby and are are ok as we’ve worked out of our house for years, but as for everybody else – I give it 2 weeks and Americans tell the ‘experts’ to fuck right off and get out of the way.

      Stay safe and be happy, wonderful to see you again!

      For those who say Americans are now compliant and won’t resist, remember the 55 MPH speed limit?


    182. Aussie Infidel
      189 | March 27, 2020 9:20 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      Then comes arrest and getting locked up.

      do that first, they’ll educate themselves real quick.

      Ahh but you forget that we are currently living in a semi-socialist ‘paradise’

      I know … Contradiction in terms and all that!

      🙂

      November we get to choose again so bad incompetent shit doesn’t last forever.

      HEH!


    183. AZfederalist
      190 | March 27, 2020 9:25 pm

      Deplorable Martian Overlord wrote:

      So, in steps our county unelected bureaucrat. He has closed all of those exempted areas in our county. This little jackass is really loving this crisis, he’s feeling the power of his position like never before. And since he doesn’t have to worry about elections he can do whatever he wants without any repercussions.

      So, does he have an enforcement mechanism and does he have the support of that enforcement mechanism? How much authority does he have granted him and how much is bluster?


    184. eaglesoars
      191 | March 27, 2020 9:29 pm

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      What I was asking about involves Civilian semi-retired doctors and nurses as volunteers NOT military reservists.

      https://www.kitv.com/story/41946610/more-than-9000-retired-army-medical-personnel-respond-to-call-for-assistance-with-coronavirus-pandemic


    185. AZfederalist
      192 | March 27, 2020 9:30 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      @ Aussie Infidel:
      He does not HAVE to spend any of it. From what I understand

      Funding can be authorized, but then it needs to be released. After being released, it often needs to be moved to various agencies via interagency transfers. That process and pipeline is very slow even when the spending is fully supported; I suspect it could really become bollixed up if there wasn’t support for spending the money


    186. AZfederalist
      193 | March 27, 2020 9:33 pm

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      Great.
      Then if it an official ‘slush’ fund he can now spend it on the FENCE.

      Doesn’t quite work like that. He might be able to NOT spend money on things by not releasing the funds, but he can’t transfer money that was authorized for one purpose to a different purpose — that is an illegal act.


    187. eaglesoars
      194 | March 27, 2020 9:33 pm

      FDA has just approved a fast-result test – 5 minutes. I think it’s from Abbot labs

      And also the ‘survivor’ blood plasma thingy

      The French doc who first tried the hydrochlorquine/azithymicn protocol has now tested it on 80 patients, 79 survived.


    188. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      195 | March 27, 2020 10:46 pm

      AZfederalist wrote:

      Deplorable Martian Overlord wrote:

      So, in steps our county unelected bureaucrat. He has closed all of those exempted areas in our county. This little jackass is really loving this crisis, he’s feeling the power of his position like never before. And since he doesn’t have to worry about elections he can do whatever he wants without any repercussions.

      So, does he have an enforcement mechanism and does he have the support of that enforcement mechanism? How much authority does he have granted him and how much is bluster?

      City police announced today they will be enforcing his edicts. They will be issuing citations but only in the most “egregious” cases.


    189. AZfederalist
      196 | March 28, 2020 1:02 am

      Deplorable Martian Overlord wrote:

      City police announced today they will be enforcing his edicts. They will be issuing citations but only in the most “egregious” cases.

      a) does he have the legal authority to issue those edicts? If not, legal proceedings should be interesting
      b) City police? So outside city, is the sheriff on board with this?


    190. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      197 | March 28, 2020 1:27 am

      AZfederalist wrote:

      Deplorable Martian Overlord wrote:

      City police announced today they will be enforcing his edicts. They will be issuing citations but only in the most “egregious” cases.

      a) does he have the legal authority to issue those edicts? If not, legal proceedings should be interesting
      b) City police? So outside city, is the sheriff on board with this?

      He does. County health officer. It falls under his purview as the chief county health officer. Sherrifs dept is following his orders too. Here’s an article about his other avenue of attack…fines.

      https://www.ktvq.com/news/local-news/staying-entertained-while-social-distancing-billings-drive-in-theater-set-to-open-this-weekend

      He personally called the theater to tell them the Governors directives weren’t enough and he was god.


    191. rain of lead
      198 | March 28, 2020 8:05 am

      Morning Y’all
      Day one of staycation


    192. RIX
      200 | March 28, 2020 9:16 am

      https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/huge-second-french-study-by-dr-raoult-finds-hydroxychloroquine-and-azithromycin-helped-every-patient-in-study-group-of-80-minus-one-video/
      @ Gateway Pundit.
      There is some data supporting the efficacy of Hydroxychloroquine to treat the virus.
      This is not the optimum controlled clinical trial, but they keep telling us how dire things are.
      Why not use treatment in dire cases in tandem with trials? To me this looks like the regulatory state (FDA) throwing its weight around.


    193. eaglesoars
      201 | March 28, 2020 9:37 am

      RIX wrote:

      To me this looks like the regulatory state (FDA) throwing its weight around.

      the FDA hasn’t blocked it. A couple of governors have. There was a doctor on Tucker last nite who has been using just the hydroxychlogoquine as a prophilactic and so far he’s not sick


    194. eaglesoars
      202 | March 28, 2020 9:53 am

      What is the Exchange Stabilization Fund?


    195. RIX
      203 | March 28, 2020 10:43 am

      eaglesoars wrote:

      RIX wrote:

      To me this looks like the regulatory state (FDA) throwing its weight around.

      the FDA hasn’t blocked it. A couple of governors have. There was a doctor on Tucker last nite who has been using just the hydroxychlogoquine as a prophilactic and so far he’s not sick

      You are right about those governors, one has even vowed to arrest doctors who prescribe the drug.
      But I have read several articles claiming that the FDA is using it’s influence to prevent use until after trials.


    196. eaglesoars
      204 | March 28, 2020 10:54 am

      RIX wrote:

      But I have read several articles claiming that the FDA is using it’s influence to prevent use until after trials.

      oh really??!! I missed that…….I’ll keep an eye out


    197. RIX
      205 | March 28, 2020 11:24 am

      eaglesoars wrote:

      RIX wrote:

      But I have read several articles claiming that the FDA is using it’s influence to prevent use until after trials.

      oh really??!! I missed that…….I’ll keep an eye out

      Maybe it’s true, maybe not. I would just like to see the drug utilized for dire cases while conducting clinical trials.


    198. RIX
      206 | March 28, 2020 11:38 am

      @ eaglesoars:
      https://www.modernhealthcare.com/politics-policy/trump-wrongly-claims-fda-approved-covid-19-drug
      Eagle I stand corrected. The FDA is not trying to block compassionate use during trials.
      The articles that I read before which I am still trying to find are apparently wrong.


    199. coldwarrior
      207 | March 28, 2020 11:49 am

      @ RIX:
      Never underestimate the power of big pharma


    200. coldwarrior
      208 | March 28, 2020 12:24 pm

      Well…the medical grade CBD oil that I have been taking in the evening to help me sleep works. And my 11 years of rugby damaged right shoulder doesn’t hurt any more.

      I stopped taking it for 3 days…pain is back. 3/10 rating, constant nagging ache. Never bothered taking anything for it. And I didn’t sleep nearly as well.

      Yes, I use melatonin too.

      Anecdotal evidence.


    201. eaglesoars
      209 | March 28, 2020 12:58 pm

      @ coldwarrior:

      how do you use it – topically, orally??

      Also, what is the Exchange Stabilisation Fund and why is it important in this thing about the Fed being subsumed by the Treasury?


    202. eaglesoars
      210 | March 28, 2020 1:05 pm

      Oh, how stupid is THIS?

      BGI’s COVID-19 test kits approved by US FDA

      China.

      http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-03/28/c_138926496.htm


    203. coldwarrior
      211 | March 28, 2020 1:26 pm

      eaglesoars wrote:

      Exchange Stabilisation Fund

      its a basket of money, both foreign and domestic, that allows our central bank to ‘influence’ foreign currency exchange rates without affecting domestic monetary supply.

      it is central banking, war by other means.

      by having the treasury run things, this allows for liquidity in the fed…aka, room to move, by buying bonds from the central bank. debt gets monetized at a low interest rate.

      i have no problem with the ESF, in fact, i ery much like it.


    204. coldwarrior
      212 | March 28, 2020 1:26 pm

      @ eaglesoars:
      sub lingual liquid


    205. eaglesoars
      214 | March 28, 2020 2:09 pm

      @ coldwarrior:

      thank you


    206. coldwarrior
      215 | March 28, 2020 2:10 pm

      15 people in the level 1 trauma center ER, normally its 45-60 at this hour.

      315 beds are occupied out of 750

      that is not enough butts in the bed to pay the bills, folks.


    207. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      216 | March 28, 2020 2:21 pm

      My paranoia flag went up again today. I know the Covid thing is real, but it really seems like this is being used as a test by our local dem governments to see just exactly how many rights they can strip us of before they hit the boiling point.

      Just saw today the the right to a speedy trial has been suspended in my state.Some states have defacto suspended the second amendment. These are actual enumerated rights being stripped from people in the name of an “emergency” and I don’t hear a single peep from anyone in the general public.

      Am I overreacting or are people asleep? I know this is temporary but this is seriously concerning me how easy this is and how this can be repeated at a later time on a more permanant basis.


    208. RIX
      217 | March 28, 2020 2:29 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      @ RIX:
      Never underestimate the power of big pharma

      Exactly. I have seen that in my carreer and now personally with my wife.

      Over $300 for a one month supply of Eliquis. Bristol Meyers has held the patent for 20 years now and has application for a 6 year extension. I know that they did the R&D but 26 year patent? They are gouging.


    209. RIX
      218 | March 28, 2020 2:31 pm

      @ Deplorable Martian Overlord:
      You are not overreacting.


    210. eaglesoars
      219 | March 28, 2020 2:36 pm

      @ Deplorable Martian Overlord:

      you are not overreacting. Luckily for you, I’m too busy right now to talk about it. 😆


    211. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      220 | March 28, 2020 2:54 pm

      I seriously think if the press wasn’t radically leftist and we didn’t have work from home with the internet they would have already tested suspending the press under this crisis as a test to see if they could.


    212. RIX
      221 | March 28, 2020 2:57 pm

      @ Deplorable Martian Overlord:
      https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/cdc-is-now-tracking-millions-of-americans-by-using-cell-phone-data-but-dont-worry-because-you-can-trust-the-govt-to-not-spy-on-innocent-americans/
      @ Gateway Pundit
      The CDC is now getting access to your cell phone data in order to track your movements during the crisis.
      They are doing it for your own good, Isn’t that the same case Hitler and Stalin made when they were stripping liberties?
      Being paranoid is not synonymous with being wrong.


    213. coldwarrior
      222 | March 28, 2020 3:14 pm

      @ RIX:
      They aren’t tracking you. They are tracking your phone.

      Shut it off and wrap it in foil when you go out.


    214. coldwarrior
      223 | March 28, 2020 3:15 pm

      @ RIX:
      @ coldwarrior:
      Ever read your phone contract carefully?


    215. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      224 | March 28, 2020 3:20 pm

      RIX wrote:

      @ Deplorable Martian Overlord:
      https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/cdc-is-now-tracking-millions-of-americans-by-using-cell-phone-data-but-dont-worry-because-you-can-trust-the-govt-to-not-spy-on-innocent-americans/
      @ Gateway Pundit
      The CDC is now getting access to your cell phone data in order to track your movements during the crisis.
      They are doing it for your own good, Isn’t that the same case Hitler and Stalin made when they were stripping liberties?
      Being paranoid is not synonymous with being wrong.

      I’ve also noticed it’s in democrat run states that the worst restrictions are taking place. My governor is actually controlling himself because he’s running for senate and his poll numbers already took a massive hit due to his initial overreaction. But, there are a lot of local dictators like the local county health chief who are perfectly willing to do what he’s not willing to public opinion be damned.


    216. RIX
      225 | March 28, 2020 3:31 pm

      @ Deplorable Martian Overlord:
      I’ve also noticed it’s in democrat run states that the worst restrictions are taking place. My governor is actually controlling himself because he’s running for senate and his poll numbers already took a massive hit due to his initial overreaction. But, there are a lot of local dictators like the local county health chief who are perfectly willing to do what he’s not willing to public opinion be damned.

      Democrats are the statist party. They pretty much worship the state as god as long as they are the apostles.
      Bernie Sanders is a throw back to the old Soviet apparatchiks. He has millions, but it is immoral if you do.
      It was that way in the old Soviet Union. The 4% of the population that were Party members had all the stuff while the rest got on lists to get a government hovel.


    217. RIX
      226 | March 28, 2020 3:32 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      @ RIX:
      They aren’t tracking you. They are tracking your phone.

      Shut it off and wrap it in foil when you go out.

      Sagacious advice.


    218. RIX
      227 | March 28, 2020 3:33 pm

      coldwarrior wrote:

      @ RIX:
      @ coldwarrior:
      Ever read your phone contract carefully?

      Lord no. I have complete trust in the government and corporations./


    219. Deplorable Martian Overlord
      228 | March 28, 2020 3:34 pm

      RIX wrote:

      @ Deplorable Martian Overlord:
      I’ve also noticed it’s in democrat run states that the worst restrictions are taking place. My governor is actually controlling himself because he’s running for senate and his poll numbers already took a massive hit due to his initial overreaction. But, there are a lot of local dictators like the local county health chief who are perfectly willing to do what he’s not willing to public opinion be damned.

      Democrats are the statist party. They pretty much worship the state as god as long as they are the apostles.
      Bernie Sanders is a throw back to the old Soviet apparatchiks. He has millions, but it is immoral if you do.
      It was that way in the old Soviet Union. The 4% of the population that were Party members had all the stuff while the rest got on lists to get a government hovel.

      Yep, I’m just saying that it seems like a memo went out that they were to use this to test how far they could push things. See what they could get away with before the public started to push back. At this point it’s frightening how much the public is willing to accept in the name of neccessity.


    220. coldwarrior
      229 | March 28, 2020 3:44 pm

      Mrs coldwarrior is sitting in her Level 1 trauma center doing learning modules as she has no patients..


    221. coldwarrior
      230 | March 28, 2020 4:30 pm

      Gov. Tom Wolf on Saturday expanded his stay-at-home order during the coronavirus outbreak to Beaver, Washington and Centre counties.

      Gov. Tom Wolf on Saturday expanded his stay-at-home order during the coronavirus outbreak to Beaver County and two additional ones after the county commissioners requested he do so.

      Beaver County Commissioner Chairman Dan Camp said the board made the request through the county’s state legislative delegation as the county’s number of confirmed cases reached 22, up from 14 on Friday.

      “We’re going to start learning there’s going to be more cases coming up positive in Beaver County with more people being tested,” Camp said.

      Camp also said following the stay-at-home mitigation effort is especially important to protect the county’s older population, residents 65 and older account for 21.5 percent of the county, which is particularly susceptible to the virus.

      —that guy is a republican.

      “We’re going to start learning there’s going to be more cases coming up positive in Beaver County with more people being tested,” Camp said.

      no shit, moron.


    222. eaglesoars
      231 | March 28, 2020 4:53 pm

      @ coldwarrior:

      you under a tornado warning?


    223. coldwarrior
      232 | March 28, 2020 5:03 pm

      @ eaglesoars:
      It was pretty ugly here….


    224. rain of lead
      233 | March 28, 2020 5:11 pm

      look for having to wear masks if you got out in public
      it’s the next step


    225. coldwarrior
      234 | March 28, 2020 5:19 pm

      @ rain of lead:

      at some point, very soon, citizens outside of nyc and other hotspots where they live on top of each other are going to say enough.

      at that point it will be up to the police to determine what they want to do.i say hat they will go for arresting people and throwing around their weight to save their jobs. i dont trust my local cops one iota.


    226. coldwarrior
      235 | March 28, 2020 5:24 pm

      https://www.breitbart.com/health/2020/03/28/philadelphians-ignore-stay-home-order-coronavirus/

      but ya cant arrest the bruthas for being out and about.


    227. eaglesoars
      236 | March 28, 2020 5:31 pm

      The Dutch government has launched a recall of 100,000s of masks purchased from China because they do not meet quality standards and offer inadequate protection.

      https://twitter.com/adrianzenz/status/1243992460839321600


    228. rain of lead
      239 | March 28, 2020 5:47 pm

      Alaska is requiring a 14-day quarantine for anyone outside the state, Hawaii is asking visitors to stay way and Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis said anyone from the New York area must stay in quarantine for two weeks after arriving in Florida.


    229. Aussie Infidel
      240 | March 28, 2020 5:55 pm

      AZfederalist wrote:

      Aussie Infidel wrote:

      Great.
      Then if it an official ‘slush’ fund he can now spend it on the FENCE.

      Doesn’t quite work like that. He might be able to NOT spend money on things by not releasing the funds, but he can’t transfer money that was authorized for one purpose to a different purpose — that is an illegal act.

      Ahh Has, but from my understanding he can redeploy the $$$$s internally within the terms of the organisation getting the funds. Like using Pentagon funding for national security switched to the FENCE which could be considered using it in a National Security way to secure borders. Where is a sneaky lawyer when you need one?

      🙂


    230. rain of lead
      241 | March 28, 2020 6:00 pm

      Virus prevention measures turn violent in parts of Africa
      https://apnews.com/b5a1291ac10887ef55eabbaf53e94daf


    231. rain of lead
      242 | March 28, 2020 6:02 pm

      3 more national parks close to prevent coronavirus spread
      https://apnews.com/9cea10d86ecd951dcc2896e1c0531322


    232. eaglesoars
      243 | March 28, 2020 6:17 pm

      rain of lead wrote:

      Alaska is requiring a 14-day quarantine for anyone outside the state, Hawaii is asking visitors to stay way and Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis said anyone from the New York area must stay in quarantine for two weeks after arriving in Florida.

      Haben Sie ihre papiere?


    233. RIX
      244 | March 28, 2020 7:19 pm

      @ Deplorable Martian Overlord:
      Yep, I’m just saying that it seems like a memo went out that they were to use this to test how far they could push things. See what they could get away with before the public started to push back. At this point it’s frightening how much the public is willing to accept in the name of neccessity.

      It’s Nihilism, push ,push, push to see how far you can push and get away with it.
      It is pretty clear to me that the Media and most of the Dems are giddy over this.
      The herd mentality TDS overwhelms them.


    234. lobo91
      245 | March 28, 2020 7:27 pm

      @ RIX:

      I don’t think it required a memo. All leftists have the same mentality.


    235. RIX
      246 | March 28, 2020 7:31 pm

      Blobo91 wrote:

      @ RIX:

      I don’t think it required a memo. All leftists have the same mentality.

      They seem to , don’t they? I wonder if it’s a learned trait or in their gene pool.


    236. lobo91
      247 | March 28, 2020 8:59 pm

      Kennedy Center Tells Musicians It Will Stop Paying Them Hours After $25 Million Bailout Is Signed

      The John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts informed members of the National Symphony Orchestra that they would no longer be paid just hours after President Trump signed a $25 million taxpayer bailout for the cultural center, according to an email obtained by the Washington Free Beacon.

      Nearly 100 musicians will no longer receive paychecks after April 3, according to an email from the orchestra’s Covid-19 Advisory Committee.

      “The Covid-19 Advisory Committee was broadsided today during our conversation with [Kennedy Center President] Deborah Rutter,” the email says. “Ms. Rutter abruptly informed us today that the last paycheck for all musicians and librarians will be April 3 and that we will not be paid again until the Center reopens.”


    237. AZfederalist
      248 | March 28, 2020 9:52 pm

      Deplorable Martian Overlord wrote:

      .Some states have defacto suspended the second amendment. These are actual enumerated rights being stripped from people in the name of an “emergency” and I don’t hear a single peep from anyone in the general public.

      NRA is taking states to court over the 2nd amendment abrogation


    238. Aussie Infidel
      249 | March 29, 2020 4:48 am

      coldwarrior wrote:

      Chloroquine also seems to act as a zinc ionophore, that allows extracellular zinc to enter the cell and inhibit viral RNA-dependent RNA polymerase.[37][38]

      Is this why the third leg of the 200mg Chloroquine (twice daily for 5 days) 500mg Azithromycin(once a day for 5 days) package is …. 200mg of Zinc Sulphate (once a day for 5 days) a day?


    239. Aussie Infidel
      250 | March 29, 2020 5:00 am

      eaglesoars wrote:

      The Dutch government has launched a recall of 100,000s of masks purchased from China because they do not meet quality standards and offer inadequate protection.

      https://twitter.com/adrianzenz/status/1243992460839321600

      You guys HAVE GOT TO START making a LOT of PPE …yesterday.
      Hell a little clothing factorybclosed because it couldn’t compete with cheap Chinese imports, has reopened in Wanganui, a depressed region of the lower West coast of the North Island. It’s been turning out 60,000 masks a week and some Technology teacher in Wellington ‘purloined ‘ all a college’s 3D printers and he’s printing face shields 24/7 with a laser cutter plastics company volunteering to supply the actual shield material. All supported by a give-a-little page. Already they are supporting two Districts Health Boards with PPE equipment as well as all of the supermarket workers in the lower NI who found masks too difficult to wear and 10 hours a day serving customers.

      You guys have to get a little more out of the box in your thinking. You are after al the US of A and can do whatever you turn your hand to.

      🙂


    240. Aussie Infidel
      251 | March 29, 2020 5:07 am

      RIX wrote:

      Democrats are the statist party. They pretty much worship the state as god as long as they are the apostles.
      Bernie Sanders is a throw back to the old Soviet apparatchiks. He has millions, but it is immoral if you do.
      It was that way in the old Soviet Union. The 4% of the population that were Party members had all the stuff while the rest got on lists to get a government hovel.

      The funny thing was that those 4%ers were terrified of losing their Stateist security blanket. Not because they feared the population rising up but because they feared that they couldn’t compete on a level playing field with the common folks.

      Seriously. They were terrified and actually confessed to not knowing what to do unless some apparatchik told them first. They had lost the capacity to think for themselves.

      That was straight from the horses mouth too.

      They realised that they were ‘hollow men’!


    241. Aussie Infidel
      252 | March 29, 2020 5:11 am

      @ eaglesoars:

      The Emperor Xi Has No Clothes

      https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/qed/2020/03/emperor-xi-has-no-clothes/


    242. Aussie Infidel
      253 | March 29, 2020 5:24 am

      Extremely interesting access into the Vatican Library’s closed sections

      https://www.crisismagazine.com/2020/hitlers-pope-not-so-fasthttps://www.crisismagazine.com/2020/hitlers-pope-not-so-fast

      Sunshine never fails!

      🙂


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