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Election 2020 Open 3: The Reckoning

by Bunk Five Hawks X ( 164 Comments › )
Filed under Open thread, Politics, Uncategorized at November 6th, 2020 - 12:33 pm

And we wait…

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164 Responses to “Election 2020 Open 3: The Reckoning”
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  1. coldwarrior
    1 | November 6, 2020 1:46 pm

    thanks bunk!

    mrs coldwarrior and i were out on a lunch date, i forgot to update.

  2. Guggi
    2 | November 6, 2020 2:03 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    coldwarrior, looks like I was correct: Pennsylvania goes to Biden?

    I’ve never seen such a mess like this election.

  3. coldwarrior
    3 | November 6, 2020 2:14 pm

    @ Guggi:

    sure…if you count fraudulent votes.

    this wont end for weeks and week and weeks.

    VERIFY all votes. PROSECUTE fraud.

  4. Aussie Infidel
    4 | November 6, 2020 2:38 pm

    Just make sure you win the Georga and Alaska Senate races so the Senate remains an anchor to a Biden Administration if all goes south.
    Then with the SCOTUS in place and the Senate protection, the rebuild can begin.

  5. Guggi
    5 | November 6, 2020 2:57 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    VERIFY all votes. PROSECUTE fraud.

    How can you verify fraudulent mail-in votes?

  6. 6 | November 6, 2020 3:04 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    De nads.

  7. 7 | November 6, 2020 3:07 pm

    @ Aussie Infidel:
    I’d like to win Gorga, but the missus won’t let me.

  8. 8 | November 6, 2020 3:08 pm

    @ Guggi:

    How can you verify fraudulent mail-in votes?

    Statistical impossibilities, for one.

  9. Aussie Infidel
    9 | November 6, 2020 3:10 pm

    The whole US electoral system is so deeply flawed that it is virtually impossible to either police or reform.

    Yet we keep hearing that the US leads the free world as the republic par excellence. Obviously it’s not. It can’t even hold a free and fair election, the bedrock of any republican democracy.
    The States Rights are so corrupted with gerrymandering , voted manipulation and criminal organisation that only a Federal overhaul of the whole system is the only viable option. Yet States power preclude this. So we have the USA touted as the exemplar yet in reality its political landscape is rife with corruption and criminal behaviour.

    Federally purge the rolls. Remove county oversight and enforce State oversight of all electoral processes by certified apolitical electoral officers with mandatory partisan oversight at all counting stations, issue , enforce and manage voter registration based on enhanced Social Security cards and demand onsite voting in person on the day of polling, except for duel authorised and registered early /special circumstance voting.

    The recent cluster fuck of an election makes the US look like a banana republic. Not the leader of the free world!

  10. 10 | November 6, 2020 3:12 pm

    Aussie Infidel wrote:

    The recent cluster fuck of an election makes the US look like a banana republic. Not the leader of the free world!

    Bite me.

  11. Aussie Infidel
    12 | November 6, 2020 3:35 pm

    @ Bunk X:
    I agree that the sheer size of the US Republic means that there needs to be a State organisational structure beneath. The County System of local body politics is however set up for corruption and vice. Other than street maintenance, sewerage etc. the rest of public services should be at the State Level including Police , power reticulation, water, building standards, education etc.

    Everyone on Earth knows that Local body (county) politics is the hive of the corrupt and criminal. Give them a shoved and allow them to patch holes in a street and clear sewerage blockages and park maintenance and leave the rest to States. Then the Feds can get on with what they do best

  12. Aussie Infidel
    13 | November 6, 2020 3:37 pm

    Bunk X wrote:

    This moron has the look of a nominally corrupt County Official!


  13. eaglesoars
    14 | November 6, 2020 3:42 pm

    @ Aussie Infidel:

    I do believe it’s in the Constitution that the states get to set up their own voting systems.

  14. Aussie Infidel
    15 | November 6, 2020 3:43 pm

    Guggi wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:

    VERIFY all votes. PROSECUTE fraud.

    How can you verify fraudulent mail-in votes?

    First… Federally Purge the rolls.
    Then … mandate voter ID
    Then Only registered special voting pre-election day
    Then… Only in person voting with ID on the day of the poll
    Apolitical count and monitored oversight (electronically CCTV) by partisan monitors
    All counts completed on polling day (see Florida for a model)

  15. Aussie Infidel
    16 | November 6, 2020 3:49 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    @ Aussie Infidel:

    I do believe it’s in the Constitution that the states get to set up their own voting systems.

    Then to maintain its First tier status the USA needs an Constitutional Amendment or it will remain the electoral banana republic that it has become and the laughing stock of the world

    Everyone in the West knows that the US electoral system is corrupt and stinks to high heaven regardless of which party is in power.

    Aren’t Americans even a wee bit embarrassed by this obvious cluster fuck of an election.
    The rot begins at the massively corrupt local body political base and gets more extensive the higher up it goes.

    I understand the need for States in the US system and States rights but those rights have been totally corrupted.

    Patching roads, sewerage reticulation and dog catching are the preserves of the local body political class.

  16. Aussie Infidel
    17 | November 6, 2020 3:54 pm

    Local Body politics becomes corrupt as soon as it begins to dabble in building consents and regulations. That’s a Money making task and invites corruption.

    10,000 rules and regulations across the US polity makes the USA a laughing stock globally and is so obviously corrupt and corrupting. Especially so when nobody wants to ‘fix the broken system! Too many bent politicians are making too much money out of the system,

  17. Aussie Infidel
    18 | November 6, 2020 3:57 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    @ Aussie Infidel:

    I do believe it’s in the Constitution that the states get to set up their own voting systems.

    If the dumb Aussies can set up a standardised electoral system for ALL States then there is NO EXCUSE for a Tier One nation state to do the same. Ask the Brits, Germans, Japanese and even the bloody French! It’s not that hard!

  18. coldwarrior
    19 | November 6, 2020 4:07 pm

    Bunk X wrote:

    Aussie Infidel wrote:

    Bite me.


    I haven’t seen the old battle cry for years!!

    Fuldkommen Gak!

  19. coldwarrior
    20 | November 6, 2020 4:09 pm

    @ Aussie Infidel:
    PA had a GOP governor and senate / house for years and chose not to tighten voting rules.

    Tom Ridge, deep state squish.

  20. coldwarrior
    21 | November 6, 2020 4:11 pm

    There is something to be said about a Davidoff cigar. My god they are expensive.

    But holy cow!

  21. coldwarrior
    22 | November 6, 2020 4:12 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    I have one every 4 or 5 months.

    And a nice 12 yr old Islay single malt.

  22. coldwarrior
    23 | November 6, 2020 4:19 pm

    @ coldwarrior:
    I’m having one for Sean Connery

  23. rain of lead
    24 | November 6, 2020 4:39 pm

    2nd PA USPS whistleblower: Postmaster ordered late ballots picked up; thinks they will be BACKDATED

  24. 25 | November 6, 2020 4:50 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Sorry to Aussie Inf, I’ve heard that crap from others in Oz. And an asshole neighbor is throwing tree branches over the fence when he thinks I’m not looking.

  25. rain of lead
    26 | November 6, 2020 4:53 pm

    stop the steal

  26. coldwarrior
    28 | November 6, 2020 5:21 pm

    @ Bunk X:


  27. coldwarrior
    29 | November 6, 2020 5:22 pm

    @ rain of lead:
    Bring. It.

  28. eaglesoars
    30 | November 6, 2020 5:33 pm

    rain of lead wrote:

    No one should be surprised. I said this would happen. I said that Trump and his entire family are dead people walking. I said if they allow him to live it will be in the cell next to Michael Flynn’s. He knows too much. And he will not stop.

  29. coldwarrior
    31 | November 6, 2020 5:37 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    I’ll paraphrase the lizard king:

    They’ve got the guns and they’ve got the numbers….

    Bring it.

  30. 32 | November 6, 2020 5:37 pm

    Comment on the Utoobage:

    “This is baby makin’ music for clowns.”

  31. eaglesoars
    33 | November 6, 2020 5:40 pm

    FWIW – about 90mins ago

    BREAKING: 11,791 Ballots Released by 3 Arizona Counties – 66.3% For President Trump!

  32. eaglesoars
    34 | November 6, 2020 5:42 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    I’ll paraphrase the lizard king:

    They’ve got the guns and they’ve got the numbers….

    Bring it.

    And THIS is why I’m moving my family to Tennessee. High ground.

  33. Deplorable Bumr50
    35 | November 6, 2020 5:57 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    I can see them false-flagging Joe out and charging Trump as an accomplice for “incitement” or something.

    Two birds, one stone.

  34. coldwarrior
    36 | November 6, 2020 6:00 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

  35. coldwarrior
    37 | November 6, 2020 6:01 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    Bumr can tell you that this place is highly defensible

  36. Deplorable Bumr50
    38 | November 6, 2020 6:08 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Hells yeah!

    I’m on a hill too.

    If you live in a valley around here, it’s your own fault. And you usually need a sump pump or two.

  37. eaglesoars
    39 | November 6, 2020 6:35 pm

    Deplorable Bumr50 wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:

    I can see them false-flagging Joe out and charging Trump as an accomplice for “incitement” or something.

    Two birds, one stone.

    Accomplice? Oh, no, the ultimate cut-out hit man. If I were Trump, I’d be hiring former Mossad.

  38. eaglesoars
    40 | November 6, 2020 6:41 pm

    Twitter is pathetic tonite. No offense to Solzhnitsyn, but this is crap pablum

    My sweet friend,
    @allthepudding, reminded me of my favorite #Solzhenitsyn quote today:

    ”You can resolve to live your life with integrity. Let your credo be this: Let the lie come into the world, let it even triumph. But not through me.”

    let it even triumph, but I’ll be pure.

    Somehow I’m doubting Solzhenitsyn said that, but what do I know. Hannah Arendt would have snorted.

  39. eaglesoars
    41 | November 6, 2020 6:44 pm

    JUST IN: Judge SULLIVAN is ordering twice-daily sweeps for any remaining ballots in states with extended deadlines for postmarked votes that go into next week.

    The new order includes: Alaska, Illinois, Iowa, Maryland, Mississippi, North Dakota, Ohio and West Virginia

  40. eaglesoars
    42 | November 6, 2020 6:55 pm

    oh ffs

    Researchers are exploring a possible link between polling errors in states where surveys underestimated President Trump’s support and a higher-than-average volume of QAnon activity in those states.

    NYT of course

  41. eaglesoars
    43 | November 6, 2020 6:59 pm

    James Woods

    Greatly relieved. I just sold every single stock I own (except Apple, of course). It was my entire net worth. I may be wrong, but It is a choice I’ll live with. I deleted my Fox News app, my Apple News app, and took a lovely walk in the autumn breeze.

  42. Deplorable Bumr50
    44 | November 6, 2020 7:02 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    The folks that actually committed vote fraud won’t be prosecuted, and the pollsters will keep getting paid for their at best useless, at worst treasonous “information.”

    This is about saving their cottage industry in and around the swamp.

  43. AZfederalist
    45 | November 6, 2020 7:04 pm

    I’m pretty much tuning out. I’ve had it. My fellow citizens are idiots, the politicians are all corrupt, and the voting system is a shambles. If Biden is declared the winner, it is only by sheer fraud.

  44. coldwarrior
    46 | November 6, 2020 7:08 pm

    @ Deplorable Bumr50:
    @ AZfederalist:

    well, there is a kaikaze billionaire with nothig to lose in chaarge of the goverment for a few months.

    yeb and the magic underware vulture romney would not bother to fight.

    blow the joint up.

    bring it.

    lets gets nuts!

  45. coldwarrior
    47 | November 6, 2020 7:10 pm

  46. coldwarrior
    48 | November 6, 2020 7:11 pm

    trump has nothing to lose.

    expose it all.

    they treated him badly. destroy it all

  47. Deplorable Bumr50
    49 | November 6, 2020 7:24 pm

    @ coldwarrior:

    Not giving up on Trump!

    Maybe they WILL prosecute the fraudsters, who knows?

    But the pollsters always seem to keep their jobs and standing no matter how terrible of a job they do.

  48. eaglesoars
    50 | November 6, 2020 7:31 pm

    @ Deplorable Bumr50:
    @ AZfederalist:
    @ coldwarrior:

    I think what we’re going to be dealing with is crisis fatigue. People are burnt out with the COVID crap and now are being told their country is about to be invaded from the inside.

    Fuck it. Thanksgiving and Christmas are coming up and they want NORMAL and they want it now!

    Biden? How much damage could he do? This is fuck-yeah-‘Merica dammit, where’s my beer.

    There are some who are the civilian version of The Few, The Proud, The Brave, but we are the Ovcharkas who guard the sheep in the dead of night and no one even knows we’re there.

    So we’re probably going to see public outrage at fraudulent voting fade over time and just can’t be discouraged by it. It’s that NORMAL we’re fighting to protect so let’s not get upset that people need to shelter there.

    And I don’t for one second that people in Pennsylvania voted for the guy who everybody knows will end fracking.

    Suck it up and carry on. If anything, ‘losing’ provides unexpected cover.

  49. eaglesoars
    51 | November 6, 2020 7:32 pm

    Deplorable Bumr50 wrote:

    But the pollsters always seem to keep their jobs

    The job of pollsters is to suck money out of donors.

  50. eaglesoars
    52 | November 6, 2020 7:40 pm

    I missed the early version of Lou Dobbs and altho I’ve been hearing about these 2 ops, I haven’t researched them. So, FWIW

    Sidney Powell on Lou Dobbs just said they have evidence that the software HAMMER and SCORECARD was used to change voting numbers. For those who do not know, this software is for Intel agencies only for use against enemy countries.

    I just don’t want to end up like so many others, down a Q rabbit hold

  51. 4_Sticks
    53 | November 6, 2020 7:50 pm

    Anybody hear the rumor about Trump having set up the democrats by having write in ballots watermarked ? I can’t see how it could be possible as every state uses different methods but hey, I need something to bring a smile to my face.
    Yeah, I know ….

  52. eaglesoars
    54 | November 6, 2020 7:51 pm

    SCOTUS orders all PA votes rec’d after 8pm tonite be sequestered. (I think it’s tonite, not last nite)


  53. lobo91
    55 | November 6, 2020 7:53 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    I don’t know anything about alleged software hacks by the intelligence community, but I’ve said all along that you really have no way of knowing what’s recorded by any of the electronic voting systems. Best case, you can look something up online that says your ballot was counted. It doesn’t show how it was counted, though.

  54. Possum
    56 | November 6, 2020 7:55 pm

    Aussie is correct. The USA electoral system is one step below a banana republic ( he didn’t use those words exactly )

    It needs reform.

    In the UK results are known a few hours after voting is closed.

    Now you may yell THE POPULATION OF THE USA IS FIVE TIMES THAT OF THE UK!!!!!!! It takes more time!!!!!!

    The population of the USA is five times that of the UK and that means surprisingly enough the USA in theory should have five times more counting people available.

    Oh well…

  55. eaglesoars
    57 | November 6, 2020 7:57 pm

    4_Sticks wrote:

    Anybody hear the rumor about Trump having set up the democrats by having write in ballots watermarked ? I can’t see how it could be possible as every state uses different methods but hey, I need something to bring a smile to my face.
    Yeah, I know ….

    Yes, and the rest of the story is that DHS has detected 14 mil fraudulent ballots.

    Let’s break it down.

    Apparently Trump did create a new agency in 2017, the Cybersecurity something or other, probably under the DHS umbrella

    Under DHS orders, all ballots for this election were printed w/a watermark or an isotope or something that can be detected with equipment.

    Keep in mind that a few days before the election when Trump was warning about fraud, he tweeted that some ballots are printed in foreign countries.

    I don’t know if that’s true, but that seems to be a security issue to me.

    As for DHS detecting 14 mil fraudulent ballots -how did DHS get custody of them?

    It is quite possible to submit a fraudulent vote on a legitimate ballot. A vote and a ballot are 2 different things.

    So let’s not conflate issues, be practical.

  56. eaglesoars
    58 | November 6, 2020 8:02 pm

    @ lobo91:
    @ Possum:

    There’s no question that the voting/counting system is a joke. Nobody is sayig it isn’t. It’s an embarrassment and that’s why we’re embarrassed. Or should be.

    I know AZ got hot over Aussie’s comments but I didn’t. Aussie’s right and it’s on us.

    I wrote software systems for over 30 yrs. I’m not naive.

  57. coldwarrior
    59 | November 6, 2020 8:06 pm

    @ Possum:

    i agree.

    the machine works for both sides

  58. coldwarrior
    60 | November 6, 2020 8:09 pm

    Possum wrote:

    Aussie is correct. The USA electoral system is one step below a banana republic ( he didn’t use those words exactly )


  59. 4_Sticks
    61 | November 6, 2020 8:13 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    I’m just saying that as far as i know, having worked the polls for the county I live in many times over the years, that there is no uniform system, state to state, that would make it easy to pull this off. Its been 4 years though so who knows?
    True or not, I like the idea that this rumor is getting around. As I’m sure most of us know, the volunteers that work these polls, like on many jobs, are not all the best and brightest. If they took part in cheating may this story reach them and cause them to break out in a sweat and not be able to sleep for weeks to come. SOBs.

  60. lobo91
    62 | November 6, 2020 8:16 pm

    Another whistleblower in PA:

  61. lobo91
    63 | November 6, 2020 8:17 pm

    The original whistleblower’s identity has been discovered, and now he’s being threatened:

  62. 4_Sticks
    64 | November 6, 2020 8:34 pm

    ‘Goldfinger’ BBC Channel, just started.

  63. 65 | November 6, 2020 8:49 pm

    @ lobo91:
    The machines here in Wichita print out your choices. You are able to review them before feeding them into a scanner.

  64. lobo91
    66 | November 6, 2020 9:07 pm

    right_wing2 wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    The machines here in Wichita print out your choices. You are able to review them before feeding them into a scanner.

    But how do you know what’s actually recorded in the system? You know what it told you it was recording, but that doesn’t make it true.

    Not to get all “Q” or anything, but you really don’t know what the computer is programmed to do. Maybe it’s set up to switch every 10th Republican vote to Democrat.

  65. eaglesoars
    67 | November 6, 2020 9:13 pm

    4_Sticks wrote:

    If they took part in cheating may this story reach them and cause them to break out in a sweat and not be able to sleep for weeks to come.

    Show me how many people have been prosecuted for voter fraud or related crimes. I’ve seen a few, but low level. Ok, I think there was one in Philly.

    Their chances of getting in trouble are next to zero. He is in prison but I’m betting it’s because it’s because he pissed off the wrong group of corrupt assholes.

    My sister works the polls in FL btw, so please go gently on the ‘not the best and brightes’ theme. I might take offense.

  66. eaglesoars
    68 | November 6, 2020 9:16 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    But how do you know what’s actually recorded in the system? You know what it told you it was recording, but that doesn’t make it true.

    There is an example of just that – I think it’s something like “ES Systems” that recorded everything for Dems or something. It was attributed to a software ‘glitch’ and fixed.

    6000 votes in Antrim county in Michigan were switched just like this. They had to hand count. The company has 47 counties in MI

    It’s on Hannity now.

    The thing is, all the ‘glitches’ favor the Dems

  67. eaglesoars
    69 | November 6, 2020 9:23 pm

    Hannity is saying a source is telling him the ‘glitch’ software may have been used in 30 other states

  68. 70 | November 6, 2020 9:26 pm

    @ lobo91:
    But with the paper record, they can go back and match up the paper ballots with what was actually recorded.

  69. coldwarrior
    71 | November 6, 2020 10:12 pm

    ive checked my lubricants and slides.

  70. coldwarrior
    72 | November 6, 2020 10:16 pm


    well no…every year the press wants miami to be the best thing ever…

    losing again…

    saturday football up soon

  71. eaglesoars
    73 | November 6, 2020 10:17 pm

    coldwarrior wrote:

    ive checked my lubricants and slides.

    Is this pron hub now?

  72. eaglesoars
    74 | November 6, 2020 10:17 pm

    right_wing2 wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    But with the paper record, they can go back and match up the paper ballots with what was actually recorded.

    We’re beyond that. First the courts, then the bunkers.

  73. eaglesoars
    75 | November 6, 2020 10:19 pm

    This is the Jen van Laar thread on the software used. Jen is the Red State reporter that dug up Typhoon.

    *DISCLAIMER* I’m not making conclusions.

    Dominion is the vendor in Antrim Co, MI where an unexplained voting machine error gave the historically red county to Biden. After recount, Trump ahead by 2500. Dominion is used in most MI counties, incl Wayne

    bedtime nite

  74. coldwarrior
    76 | November 6, 2020 10:19 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:

    ive checked my lubricants and slides.

    Is this pron hub now?

    sun out

    tits out

    guns out

    stats out…

    or words to that effect.

  75. coldwarrior
    77 | November 6, 2020 10:20 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    coldwarrior wrote:

    ive checked my lubricants and slides.

    Is this pron hub now?


    has nothing to do with guns at all,.

  76. lobo91
    78 | November 6, 2020 10:59 pm

    When do we get the “peaceful protests” over this genius?

  77. Deplorable Bumr50
    79 | November 6, 2020 11:00 pm

    I think the software thing might have some teeth.

    I’ve heard Sidney Powell was discussing it, and everything seems to have ground to a halt. Like people don’t know what to do.

    I mean, the obvious thing would be to keep counting, no?

    But that seems to have stopped, and I guess Joe didn’t give the speech he planned?

    At any rate, seems like there’s something going on.

  78. 80 | November 6, 2020 11:29 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    So each state got their own super-secret watermarked ballots from the feds? That seems a bit odd.

  79. 81 | November 6, 2020 11:38 pm

    @ lobo91:
    This is my favorite song right now. Great lyrics.

  80. 4_Sticks
    82 | November 7, 2020 1:49 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    Did ya notice that I said I was once a poll worker myself ? I meant more that they might not be on the ‘inside track’, ‘in the know’ actually but didn’t word it correctly, I didn’t mean to disparage.
    I’m not saying they would get caught and punished, just sayin’ the guilty ones might see the story or be told about it and start to sweat.
    If they participated in any shenanigans they DESERVE to sweat. I’m sure your
    sister wouldn’t involve herself in such stunts but there certainly are gullible people who get sucked in. Yes, ‘gullible’, THATS the word I meant to use, not dumb.
    I also have a history of being the plaintiff in an election fraud case, one that went to the state supreme court. Lost because we couldn’t prove each of the pieces of the (I believe there are 4) legal definition election of fraud or disenfranchisement or both, can’t remember right now, used to know it like my phone number. It was a looooong time ago. So, no intent to insult the volunteers who get their asses to the schools, fire houses etc at 6am and stay until the ballots are counted and certified, 10 pm’ish – its a long ass day/evening.
    I’m old and have several health problems one of which prevents me from grabbin’ and using the correct word or term to explain what I’m thinking.
    This is why I am more of an observer here than a participant these past 5 years or so.
    Been around since the early days of that other site, one whose name I will not mention. I was unceremoniously banned with the others (‘Fist’ etc / RIP) back in the great purge(s). I mention this just to let people know that I don’t just pop on here every six months and fire off wise ass remarks. I have ‘issues’ and can’t always explain myself correctly. Sorry if I offended, it was not intentional.
    Well… I feel better now ! ‘Nite all.

  81. 83 | November 7, 2020 2:06 am

    @ 4_Sticks:
    No complaints from me. I’m only here for the wise ass remarks.

    If you’re interested, there’s an (almost) complete Excel spreadsheet of The Banned that includes dates, Karma points and other stuff. A group of ex-lizards on FaceBook seemed to like it.
    Scroll down for the link to the download.

  82. 84 | November 7, 2020 2:12 am

    @ Bunk X:
    @ 4_Sticks:
    Or give me your swamp nic and I’ll look it up for you.

  83. 85 | November 7, 2020 2:25 am

    😀 😀 😀

  84. Deplorable Bumr50
    86 | November 7, 2020 8:21 am

    2 things MUST happen.

    The fight must not be given up no matter the result and the momentum must be kept alive if Trump is not POTUS.

    I think the movement is bigger than Trump himself (although he was and is crucial), more widespread than the Tea Party ever was, and has a lot more political will than most acknowledge.

    I’m already seeing the usual fence-sitters with their columns of defeatist comity, their take of “voters rejected the messenger”(demonstrably false looking at vote totals) “therefore we need a Sasse or Lee”, and explaining how irresponsible it is to focus on this known voter fraud in some lame attempt at national unity, pretending it doesn’t matter every single election cycle, regardless of outcome.

  85. 87 | November 7, 2020 10:11 am

    IF Trump ends up losing, would you back him again in 2024? If not, who? And if he does win, who would you want to see as the Republican standard bearer in 2024?

  86. Deplorable Bumr50
    88 | November 7, 2020 10:28 am

    @ right_wing2:

    Anyone who was a devout or reformed NeverTrumper is out. So no on anyone like Sasse or Lee. I will outright not vote for them. And I remain steadfast that known archconservatives like Ted Cruz are pretty much unelectable.

    The trouble is finding someone who espouses Trump’s trade, immigration, and national security positions.

    I can’t think of anyone offhand right now, but who knows who might step up.

    It should be noted that Trump has broken popular vote records for a Republican, broken minority vote records for a Republican, and has significant Dem vote.

  87. eaglesoars
    89 | November 7, 2020 10:44 am

    right_wing2 wrote:

    the Republican standard bearer in 2024?

    right now I’m looking at Tom Cotten

  88. eaglesoars
    90 | November 7, 2020 10:48 am

    Oh, here’s the Truth and Reconciliation thing they were talking about. Except now it’s called The Trump Accountability Project

    “Yes, we are,” answered former Obama administration staffer Michael Simon, citing the Trump Accountability Project. “Every Administration staffer, campaign staffer, bundler, lawyer who represented them — everyone.”

    This is totalitarian, straight up. It’s a freaking blacklist! I don’t know yet who specifically is behind this. A former Buttigieg staffer is claiming to be part of it:

    We’re launching the Trump Accountability Project to make sure anyone who took a paycheck to help Trump undermine America is held responsible for what they did.

    Join us and help spread the word.

    — Emily Abrams (@emabrams) November 6, 2020

  89. eaglesoars
    91 | November 7, 2020 10:56 am

    4_Sticks wrote:

    I didn’t mean to disparage.

    YIKES!! You read that wrong. Or I wrote it wrong. I should have put a smiley after that one.

    I meant no offense, believe me, if you piss me off I’m not gentle about it, and I sure as hell don’t warn you in advance.

    I apologize, I didn’t mean to be aggressive, I was kidding.

  90. eaglesoars
    92 | November 7, 2020 10:58 am

    Here’s the Trump Accountability Project Website. The very first line is a lie.

    We should welcome in our fellow Americans with whom we differ politically.

    But those who took a paycheck from the Trump Administration should not profit from their efforts to tear our democracy apart. The world should never forget those who, when faced with a decision, chose to put their money, their time, and their reputations behind separating children from their families, encouraging racism and anti-Semitism, and negligently causing the unnecessary loss of life and economic devastation from our country’s failed response to the COVID-19 pandemic.

  91. eaglesoars
    93 | November 7, 2020 11:07 am

    Bunk X wrote:

    Karma points

    what are ‘karma points’?

  92. lobo91
    94 | November 7, 2020 11:21 am

    Rahm Emanuel says Biden administration should help laid off retail workers ‘become a computer coder’

    Former Chicago Mayor and White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel insisted on Friday that a Biden administration will help offer a promising future for laid-off retail workers.

    According to the Fox News Decision Desk, Joe Biden currently has 264 electoral votes, just six votes short of the magic number needed to win the White House.

    During a panel discussion on ABC, George Stephanopoulos asked the former Obama official what Joe Biden needs to do as president to combat the coronavirus and its effect on the economy.

    Emmanuel initially responded by acknowledging that the “blunt instrument of a lockdown” put in place earlier in the year was a “mistake” and said that the Biden administration needs to support testing and contact tracing in “targeted areas” to protect people of color and the elderly.

    The ABC political analyst then pivoted to what should be Biden’s economic plan.

    “The first part of the stimulus is creating a floor so the economy doesn’t sink any more. You can’t get an economy growing if states and companies are laying people off,” Emmanuel said. “The second piece — one of the things we’ve got to do to rebuild, mainly on infrastructure and there’s going to be people like at JCPenney and other retail — those jobs aren’t coming back.

    “Give them the tools [and say] ‘Six months, you’re going to become a computer coder. We’ll pay for it.’ And you’ll get millions of people to sign up for that. They’re not going back to parts of the retail economy and we need to give them a lifeline to what’s the next chapter.”

  93. eaglesoars
    95 | November 7, 2020 11:23 am

    9) President Trump cannot agree to ANY deal because once he is out of office, the DemoKKKrats will hound him like a criminal. He will face prosecution (it doesn’t matter on what. “Show me the man, I’ll show you the crime.”) He will face both Biteme’s DOJ/SDNY & NY and CA charges

  94. eaglesoars
    96 | November 7, 2020 11:26 am

    lobo91 wrote:

    ‘Six months, you’re going to become a computer coder. We’ll pay for it.’

    from somebody who couldn’t write “Hello world” if his life depended on it

  95. lobo91
    97 | November 7, 2020 11:30 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    Isn’t that how we got this?

  96. coldwarrior
    98 | November 7, 2020 11:32 am

    @ Deplorable Bumr50:
    And I think that you post is prescient, true, predictive, and dead on.

    Well said, sir!

    *with a hearty HARUMPH!*

  97. coldwarrior
    99 | November 7, 2020 11:32 am

    I see wordpress ate my football post.

  98. eaglesoars
    100 | November 7, 2020 11:42 am

    Faux just called the race for Biden

  99. 4_Sticks
    101 | November 7, 2020 11:50 am

    @ Bunk X:

    Wow, what a wake up call just now. I’m drinking my first cup of java
    of the morning, reading and reminiscing here about the ‘good ol’ days’ over at Chucky’s sh*thouse (spit) and I pause reading here for a second to choose
    a little background music over on the ‘tube. Instead of a little incidental music I get a warm greetin’ from the fine people at google tellin’ me that this particular account was either suspended or terminated, not sure yet which and not sure what I wrote / how I offended either – I’ve really been careful lately knowing something like this could happen.

    What are the freakin’ odds though of me sittin’ here reminiscing, re-living that moment I learned that I couldn’t sign in / comment on sh*theads page, and then sitting here in 2020 learning that I’ve been booted from another account/site ? Its not like this happens to me all the time either. This
    is only the second time since buying buy first Commodore 64.
    Of course I have several socks over there but logging out and trying to log in again using one of them does not seem to work, VPN and all. I can watch videos ok and I can live without commenting I guess but man, I don’t have bookmarks of my favorites and with my memory issues, well, this just sucks.
    I’m not ignoring you Bunk but I have to get this other issue straightened out somehow. Wonder if theres some kind of post election purge / house cleaning goin’ on over there?

  100. 4_Sticks
    102 | November 7, 2020 11:51 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    What a country …

  101. eaglesoars
    103 | November 7, 2020 11:54 am

    4_Sticks wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:

    What a country …

    my husband is on that list. He was on Trump’s ag issues committee. He’s been to Mar a Lago.


  102. coldwarrior
    104 | November 7, 2020 11:55 am

    @ 4_Sticks:
    Mrs Coldwarrior said…welcome to Stalin.

    Who counts the votes matters

  103. eaglesoars
    105 | November 7, 2020 11:55 am

    @ 4_Sticks:

    and please see my #91

  104. coldwarrior
    106 | November 7, 2020 11:56 am

    @ eaglesoars:

  105. eaglesoars
    107 | November 7, 2020 11:58 am

    BREAKING: statement from @realDonaldTrump “I will not rest until the American People have the honest vote count they deserve and that Democracy demands.”

  106. 108 | November 7, 2020 11:59 am

    @ lobo91:
    Millions of people computer coding only means that the wages for those computer coders will drop.

  107. eaglesoars
    109 | November 7, 2020 12:00 pm

    @ coldwarrior:


  108. lobo91
    110 | November 7, 2020 12:01 pm

    right_wing2 wrote:

    @ lobo91:
    Millions of people computer coding only means that the wages for those computer coders will drop.

    Only if you assume there’s a free market…

  109. eaglesoars
    111 | November 7, 2020 12:02 pm

    If you want to see the presser by Trump’s legal team, try OAN. Faux isn’t showing it

  110. lobo91
    112 | November 7, 2020 12:05 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    And people wonder why I spent so much money outfitting my travel trailer for off-grid use…

  111. Deplorable Bumr50
    113 | November 7, 2020 12:07 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    That’s a great statement.

    So many people just want him to concede nicely, talking about “legacy” and all that BS, but if he does that the obvious voter fraud goes back under the bed to be dragged out next election cycle.

    SO MANY people just willing to accept it.

    We are not returning to “normal.” That ended after the 2012 election cycle when the Dems purged everyone to the right of Lenin.

  112. eaglesoars
    114 | November 7, 2020 12:07 pm


    If you want to see how much the fix is in, votes are still being counted, no recounts have started, challenges are ignored, 5 states are within one per cent but the media pack has declared Biden won.

  113. lobo91
    115 | November 7, 2020 12:09 pm

    “I am honored and humbled by the trust the American people have placed in me and in Vice President-elect Harris,” Biden said in a statement. “In the face of unprecedented obstacles, a record number of Americans voted. Proving once again, that democracy beats deep in the heart of America.”

    He added: “With the campaign over, it’s time to put the anger and the harsh rhetoric behind us and come together as a nation.”

    As you prepare to implement blacklists and show trials for the 70 million “racists” who voted against you?

  114. eaglesoars
    116 | November 7, 2020 12:12 pm

    lobo91 wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:

    And people wonder why I spent so much money outfitting my travel trailer for off-grid use…

    And why I’m moving my family and a very good life to another state

  115. eaglesoars
    117 | November 7, 2020 12:17 pm

    Deplorable Bumr50 wrote:

    SO MANY people just willing to accept it.

    crisis fatigue

  116. 4_Sticks
    118 | November 7, 2020 12:19 pm

    I sort of figured that but wasn’t sure. Cool.

    I’m not looking to e-hash but man, the coincidences in my life lately. Like it was tailored for me to help explain what I was trying to say, and it was posted just this morning.

    FF to 13:42:

    @ eaglesoars:

  117. Deplorable Bumr50
    119 | November 7, 2020 12:22 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Sort of.

    At this moment definitely.

    But the accurate jokes about voter fraud have been my whole life.

    And there’s no reason for it to continue.

    If they think Trump’s sense of humility is going to stop him from pursuing this as far as possible, even under media pressure, they will hear me laugh from here.

    Trouble is actually getting meaningful reform even after exposure.

  118. eaglesoars
    120 | November 7, 2020 12:26 pm

    Deplorable Bumr50 wrote:

    If they think Trump’s sense of humility

    his what?

  119. eaglesoars
    121 | November 7, 2020 12:29 pm

    4_Sticks wrote:

    FF to 13:42:

    holy crap

    I don’t have time to watch the whole thing now but – thanks

    I guess it’s time to deep dive HAMMER and SCORECARD

  120. eaglesoars
    122 | November 7, 2020 12:35 pm

    This is an NBC reporter on the Nevada court case

    One day after he [Grenell] refused to answer my questions, a federal judge here in Nevada said claims of an illegitimate election pushed by
    @RichardGrenell were backed by “little to no evidence.”

    Apparently, Schlicter is one of the lawyers for Trump. He responds

    Jacob is not telling you the truth.

    The court held that, at less than 72 hours after the election closed, there needed to be more evidence for the extraordinary remedy we sought.

    He praised our pleadings.

    He invited us back to present more evidence.

    The case is still open.

    I have to get my backside busy. later.

  121. eaglesoars
    123 | November 7, 2020 12:39 pm

    And I don’t want to hear one more fucking word about TRUST THE PLAN

  122. Deplorable Bumr50
    124 | November 7, 2020 12:52 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    I think that’s one of “our side’s” disinformation ops.

    See also Alex Jones heading to Phoenix and yelling loudly about secret watermarks.

  123. 125 | November 7, 2020 1:29 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Bunk X wrote:

    what are ‘karma points’?

    CJ instituted a system that allowed others to *upding* comments they liked or *downding* those that they didn’t. It became a popularity rating contest, and rarely did CJ get *downdinged*.

    The accumulated dings were tallied as “Karma points” and some lizards outranked others. The system was abused often.

  124. RIX
    128 | November 7, 2020 2:59 pm

    right_wing2 wrote:

    That woman is evil and batshit crazy. Ugly inside and out.

  125. 4_Sticks
    129 | November 7, 2020 3:02 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    I shold have added that I meant listen to just a few minutes of it, he talks about poll workers / watchers and panic breaking out among them upon hearing Trump is investigating, thats all. Its what I, inarticulately perhaps, posted here last night which led you to comment on, re: your sister. Just a pretty freaky co-inkydink, thats all.

  126. eaglesoars
    130 | November 7, 2020 3:05 pm

    Ok, read this thread. It’s the second time I’ve run across DELIAN and I don’t know what it means yet. I’ve found a few more people to follow

  127. eaglesoars
    131 | November 7, 2020 3:39 pm

    just reported WH staff are starting to look for jobs. Employers considering them should know there are consequences for hiring anyone who helped Trump attack American values. Find out how at the Trump Accountability Project.

  128. eaglesoars
    132 | November 7, 2020 3:44 pm

    I have to find out who this guy is

    Warning to publishers considering signing someone who led a campaign to get Americans to hate each other – you will face a massive boycott led by the Trump Accountability Project. Not just of this book but your whole library.



  129. eaglesoars
  130. eaglesoars
    134 | November 7, 2020 3:47 pm

    Hari Sevugan (born 1974) is the former national press secretary for the Democratic National Committee.[1] He served as the senior spokesman for the Barack Obama presidential campaign. According to one report “Sevugan’s sound bytes were often pithy, biting and memorable.” [2] Another report is more direct, noting during the 2008 campaign Sevugan always gave out “the press office’s harshest lines.” [3] He is currently one of the Principals at Chicago-based advocacy firm 270 Strategies.

    In June, 2011, Sevugan left his position with the DNC[4] to become the Vice President of Communications for StudentsFirst, an education reform organization founded by Michelle A. Rhee, former chancellor of the Washington, D.C. public schools. He resigned his position in 2012 amidst reports of political differences.[5]

    Sevugan grew up in the suburbs of Chicago after moving to the United States with his family from India in 1977.[2] He majored in political science at University of Illinois at Urbana–Champaign, and received a JD from Northwestern University.[2] In 2003, he quit his legal practice to serve in the political campaign for Dan Hynes against Barack Obama in the Democratic primary for an open Senate seat from Illinois.[2]

    Prior to his career in politics, Sevugan was a middle school teacher at I.S. 143 in the Washington Heights neighborhood of New York City, where he once dyed his hair blond in front of the entire school after losing a bet with his students.[2][6][7]

    In August 2019, Sevugan joined the campaign of presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg as deputy campaign manager for brand and media

  131. Deplorable Bumr50
    135 | November 7, 2020 6:36 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    Do you think they know that Trump was an effect and not a cause, and are just attempting to project power?

    Or do they actually think Trump caused half the country to hate them tweets and rhetoric?

    BTW, I’m think of starting a Nevertrump Accountability Project with all of these under the radar Nevertrumpers now coming out writing for ostensibly pro- (or at least not anti-)Trump “conservative” blogs.

  132. eaglesoars
    136 | November 7, 2020 6:46 pm

    Deplorable Bumr50 wrote:

    Do you think they know that Trump was an effect and not a cause, and are just attempting to project power?

    yes. That’s why the intimidation effort has started. And they are deadly serious.

    “It’s not only that @realDonaldTrump has to lose, his enablers have to lose. We have to collectively burn down the Republican Party. We have to level them. Because if there are survivors….they will do it again.” Jennifer Rubin


    When they tell you who they are, believe them. The Trump family will be hounded as a caution to anyone else who considers picking up the banner. And even if Trump pardons Flynn before he leaves office, they’ll get him on something else.

    They need examples.

  133. eaglesoars
    137 | November 7, 2020 6:47 pm

    Deplorable Bumr50 wrote:

    BTW, I’m think of starting a Nevertrump Accountability Project with all of these under the radar Nevertrumpers

    Keep your head down. Start training.

  134. eaglesoars
    138 | November 7, 2020 7:16 pm

    Sunday political show bookings speak volumes->

    “Fox News Sunday”: Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah). Panel: Dana Perino, Jerry Seib and Marie Harf.

  135. eaglesoars
    139 | November 7, 2020 7:17 pm

    And Judge Jeanine is canceled tonite

  136. Deplorable Bumr50
    140 | November 7, 2020 7:30 pm

    @ eaglesoars:

    I keep seeing people yell “Boycott Fox News!!”

    I’ve not watched Fox News for going on about eight years now, save Tucker on YouTube.

    I don’t think they really care about their ratings or numbers. The corp probably makes enough to use the net as a propaganda arm.

    Counterintuitive, but such is the world now.

    Last year, BP announced they were moving away from oil…

  137. eaglesoars
    141 | November 7, 2020 7:58 pm

    Deplorable Bumr50 wrote:

    Last year, BP announced they were moving away from oil…

    I remember that. Didn’t understand it then, don’t understand it now

  138. eaglesoars
    142 | November 7, 2020 8:09 pm

    Here’s a thread, I’ll summarize.

    The count in AZ is not done, over 200k ballots to still count

    GA now has machine issues, do the recount may become recanvas

    WI and MI have both clerical and machine issues, change in one county alone would flip the vote, MI legislature engaged

    Tossing illegal votes in PA would flip the vote

  139. lobo91
    143 | November 7, 2020 8:42 pm

  140. eaglesoars
    144 | November 7, 2020 8:53 pm

    20 mins ago

    Right now, the diff in WI is 20,558; MI just over 146,000; NC Trump 82,000; GA 9,100; NV 25,000 (In 2016 it was 26,000, so not much change); and interestingly in NY Trump got nearly 43% of the vote

  141. eaglesoars
    145 | November 7, 2020 9:14 pm

    Barbarian just deleted her twitter acct

  142. eaglesoars
    146 | November 7, 2020 9:18 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    And Judge Jeanine is canceled tonite

    Newsmax scrawl

    Jeanine Pirro suspended from Fox News

  143. 147 | November 7, 2020 9:21 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    Maybe she’s in private mode.

  144. eaglesoars
    148 | November 7, 2020 9:47 pm

    Bunk X wrote:

    @ eaglesoars:
    Maybe she’s in private mode.

    No. She posted on twitter that “This is my last tweet”. Something about not being part of Jack’s scam.

    I tried to reply within 3 minutes of her tweet – her account was gone – THIS ACCOUNT NO LONGER EXISTS

  145. lobo91
    149 | November 7, 2020 9:50 pm

    Michelle Obama’s version of “outreach”:

    I’m beyond thrilled that my friend Joe Biden and our first Black and Indian-American woman Vice President, Kamala Harris, are headed to restore some dignity, competence, and heart at the White House,” Obama wrote on Twitter on Saturday.

    She added that Democrats have “a lot of work to do” to “connect” with Trump voters, Obama said.

    “Let’s remember that tens of millions of people voted for the status quo, even when it meant supporting lies, hate, chaos, and division,” she wrote. “We’ve got a lot of work to do to reach out to these folks in the years ahead and connect with them on what unites us.”

    When do the reeducation camps begin?

  146. 150 | November 7, 2020 9:53 pm

    eaglesoars wrote:

    Bunk X wrote:

    No. She posted on twitter that “This is my last tweet”. Something about not being part of Jack’s scam.

    Quitting is not an option.

  147. 151 | November 7, 2020 10:05 pm

    @ lobo91:
    People voted for Trump because they’re AGAINST the status quo, Ms. Steatopygia.

  148. eaglesoars
    152 | November 7, 2020 10:09 pm

    Bunk X wrote:

    Quitting is not an option.

    Parler does not yet have the horsepower to compete with twitter. It took over 30 mins for me to log in because they don’t have the bandwidth. Also, there’s no FAQ, so I’m not quite sure how to use it.

  149. 153 | November 7, 2020 10:13 pm

    @ eaglesoars:
    I looked at Parler, they ask for more info to sign up than I’m willing to surrender… at least for now.
    Rumbler is an alternative to YouTube, lotta folks (including Dan Bongino) are drifting over there due to demonitizing games.

  150. eaglesoars
    154 | November 7, 2020 10:17 pm

    oh ffs

    Darrell Issa got elected again.

  151. eaglesoars
    156 | November 7, 2020 10:25 pm

    Which reminds me.

    The Plot Against the President has been removed from youtube and bichute apparently. You can find it here

  152. eaglesoars
    157 | November 7, 2020 10:27 pm

    Bunk X wrote:

    yeah, I’m already hooked up w/rumble

  153. 4_Sticks
    158 | November 7, 2020 11:03 pm

    Thanks Bunk for the assistance. Some good links on this page. I haven’t read the terms for Rumble yet but with a name like that I assume they aren’t skittish about ‘language’.
    One thing I know I never did was threaten anyone on youtube. I’m dyin’ to find
    out though what I did say, if its over a political related comment or not.
    If it is, I’m thinking its a real sign that we are headin’ down the rabbit hole to … nothin’ good.

  154. eaglesoars
    159 | November 7, 2020 11:10 pm

    I’m off to read myself to sleep

  155. 4_Sticks
    160 | November 8, 2020 12:34 am

    I have a good connection for antiemetics, wholesale.

  156. 4_Sticks
    161 | November 8, 2020 12:35 am

    @ eaglesoars:

    ‘It was the best of times, it was the worst of times …’

  157. 4_Sticks
    162 | November 8, 2020 1:24 am

    All around me the earth is scorched, hair and eyebrows singed, the popping and crackling of branches and brush still burning, my skin feels like its coated
    in grease, and that SMELL…like…like… oh shit, could I have f’d up the coordinates?
    One minute I’m sittin’ here enjoying my java and a Lucky Strike, then …
    the horror …. what have I done? WHAT HAVE I DONE?

    Well I guess it is gettin’ late, its almost 1:30am. Better hit the sack myself. Nytol.

  158. 163 | November 8, 2020 3:46 am

    After 4 yrs of attacking Trump as “illegitimate,” fascist,” “Nazi,” “tyrant,” “dictator,” “racist,” “antisemitic,” “Russian stooge,” “traitor,” “grifter,” “xenophobe,” “sexist,” “homophobe,” “ignorant,” “fat” and “lazy,” dems/media say, “Let’s come together.”‬ -Larry Elder

  159. 164 | November 8, 2020 6:22 am

    @ Bunk X:
    These ‘never Trump’ types have ensured at least 4 years of the destruction of anything even remotely conservative. Will they fight Harris’ radical left agenda at all? Probably not.

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