THIS WILL OCCUPY THE SPECIAL REPORT SECTION UNTIL AT LEAST 1700EST Tuesday…We apologize for this thread getting canned, it is now back. We will try to have that not happen again. Please note Robert Spencer over at Jihad Watch requests that we also run ‘the other side of the story, in fairness and true Blogmocracy Tradition it is included. See it at the end of this post.–Coldwarrior
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Admin note:
Three of the four owners of the blog believed this issue to be squashed and felt this thread was late and unnecessary. At the very least it needed a disclaimer. It read as if it was a Blogmocracy statement and the whole team had not been consulted. The one admin that fully agreed with it happened to be the one on duty ~:) and it was published without comment.
With respect to the EDL, all of the admins are in agreement and we absolutely stand with the EDL in their fight against the islamization of England. It is not contrary to that opinion that we also stand with Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller in saying that the EDL should do everything to make sure the message stays on focus and that they keep the fringe element from hijacking their cause.
We are republishing the thread in respect to 1389’s personal opinion with the note that AS ALWAYS, this is her opinion and her opinion only.
This thread was taken to “drafts” so the admins could discuss because it read as a Blogmocracy statement and all of the admins were not consulted before it was published. Although the original thread was inadvertently deleted, it is recreated below from google cache as close as we could get. Although a few comments were lost (the comment count should be in the 20s). We apologize for the errors.
(Originally published on Gates of Vienna by Baron Bodissey.)
I’ve bumped this post to the top and will keep it there for a while because so many additional signatories, including several Americans, have asked that their names be added to the list. Scroll to the bottom to see who’s there — some may surprise you.
Update (3:04am EDT): Added one more. (3:24am EDT) Added another one. (3:33am EDT) Added a Dane.
Update (7/1/2011 11:51am EDT): While I was asleep, eight more people signed on. That gives us a total of 27. Some of the names will be familiar to you…
Also: Europe News should never have been on the signature list. That was an error on my part, and I apologize.
(3:56pm EDT): Added another American. (9:55pm EDT): Yet another American.
As most readers already know, earlier today Pamela Geller of Atlas Shrugs posted a prominent repudiation of the English Defence League, including references to their alleged infiltration by “neo-fascists”.
A group of Counterjihad bloggers and writers has joined together to publish this open letter to Ms. Geller. Most of us are Europeans, but not all — we also have signatories from the United States, Canada, and Australia.
If you are a blogger or a writer and want to add your signature to this letter, please send your name and URL to me (unspiek [at] chromatism [dot] net), or to the proprietors of other sites where it has been posted.
Update (9:13pm EDT): Two more signatories have been added to the list. (12:35am 7/1) One more added. (12:49am) Added another. (1:16am EDT) Added one more.
Dear Ms. Geller,
We the undersigned are writing to register our astonishment and dismay at your public denunciation of the English Defence League, and in particular your reference to the “neo-fascists that had infiltrated the administration of the group”.
This is a grossly inaccurate and unfair slander against the leaders and membership of the EDL, who have never wavered in their refusal to include neo-Nazis, fascists, or adherents of any other ideology that seeks to divide people based on their ethnicity. The core mission of the EDL has always been, and remains, to stop the encroachment of sharia and Islamic fascism.
For the past two years the English Defence League has been on the front lines of the resistance to sharia and militant Islam in England. Its leaders have put their own lives in danger by doing so. They live under constant threat, not just from murderous Muslim zealots, but from their own government, which has harassed and arrested them repeatedly. Tommy Robinson, the leader of the EDL, has been arrested multiple times, and is currently facing trumped-up charges designed to put him and the EDL out of action.
To paraphrase Geert Wilders: “I was dragged to court by leftist and Islamic organizations that were bent not only on silencing me but on stifling public debate.” The EDL is being dragged into a kangaroo court of uninformed public opinion. The more people’s fears can be raised, the more quickly debate can be smothered.
In the final analysis, as Geert Wilders points out, the strength of our community depends on the freedom we feel to “enter our convictions in the open lists to win or lose”.
All communities inevitably experience conflicts based on differences of opinion. It is crucial that we approach one another’s efforts in good faith, presume the other’s efforts to be well-meaning until conclusively proven otherwise, support initiatives made by others that further our common cause, and refuse to be dragged into parsing ever more finely our differences.
Our ideal of the “perfect” can kill any merely “good enough” effort.
Your unfortunate statements were picked up and repeated by other websites and blogs, some of them quite prominent and well-respected. This has done harm to our common cause, and has driven a completely needless wedge between the American and European wings of the international Counterjihad.
To help heal the damage that has been done, we insist that you apologize in a public forum to the English Defence League.
Its leaders and members are heroes, and their organization is widely considered a beacon of hope in Europe. All Europeans who resist the Islamization of their countries look to the EDL for inspiration, and all of them stand in solidarity with it in its struggle.
We strongly request that you reconsider your deplorable words and withdraw them.
Sincerely yours,
- 1389, 1389 Blog (USA)
- Aeneas, ICLA, Beer n Sandwiches (England)
- Coldwarrior, The Blogmocracy (USA)
- Costin, În Linie Dreaptă (Romania)
- Eeyore, Vlad Tepes (Canada)
- El Cid, New York (USA)
- El Inglés (England)
- Fjordman (Norway)
- Gaia, ICLA (England)
- Gastou, galaxy SITA (France)
- Green Infidel (Poland)
- The Head Infidel, Infidels United and I Will Not Submit(USA)
- Frank Hilliard, Mesopotamia West (Canada)
- David Holmes, The Anger of a Quiet Man (England)
- Danny Jeffrey, Freedom Rings 1776 (USA)
- Hans Erling Jensen, Eticha (Denmark)
At Hans’ request, I add: And he is not angry about the letter! 1 July 18:45 (CET)
- Keith,Crusader Rabbit (Australia)
- KGS, Tundra Tabloids (Finland)
- Rick Lakehomer, Patriot’s Corner (USA)
- Nilk, Right Wing Death Bogan (Australia)
- Nanette Rayman-Rivera (USA)
- Elisabeth Sabaditsch-Wolff (Austria)
- Takuan Seiyo, son of victims of the Third Reich, writer (USA, Japan)
- Seneca III (England)
- Skjoldungen, Hodjas Blog (Denmark)
- Stogie, Saber Point (USA)
- Diana West (USA)
- Paul Weston (England)
- Wolfshead, Crucible of Terror (England)
- Zenster (USA)
- Zimriel,The House of David (USA)
- Baron Bodissey, Gates of Vienna (USA)
From Saberpoint:
Below are the comments that made the cache at google (I hear the thread was in the 20’s, but those comments are lost (unless a particular marsupial caught them???? : ))
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From Jihad Watch:
Groundswell of support for Geller and Spencer on EDL
Pamela Geller has an important update on the recent blogwar over the English Defence League:
Apparently an update is required on the blogwar against Atlas that is being waged by vultures with an altogether nefarious agenda. It’s not important, because these bottomfeeders just bang keyboards and jockey for position on the bottom of the food chain. But to be clear …….
I stand by my concern about the increasing antisemitism in the ranks of the admins at the EDL. We have no intention of breaking with the EDL if they purge these antisemitic elements. If they do not, they will be finished as a force for good in England. I was immediately reassured that these rogue elements would be routed out. End of story. This campaign to gang up on Geller by small “counter-jihadists” trying to make a name for themselves clearly is motivated by something enitrely different. Something very ugly and transparent.
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There are pages and pages of this kind of stuff. Here is just one example. “Hel Gower” is a powerful EDL administrator. She “liked” this page.
We applaud those who stand against this kind of poison. As John Jay wrote, “Pamela Geller did not cause any problems in the EDL; she simply recognized them. And this fact was admitted, endorsed, recognized and a promise adduced by Tommy Robinson to fix it.”
And Brian of London said: “Pamela is one of the stalwarts of the counter Jihad. She’s doing great work over in America and I don’t like the way in which she was personally attacked (along with Robert Spencer) over this.”
Bravo.
Calling attention to a problem is not a crime. We are not the problem. There can be no compromise with antisemitic elements in the EDL or anywhere else. As Ayn Rand said, “In any compromise between food and poison, it is only death that can win. In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit.”
I understand that several people have asked that their names be removed from the list of signers of Gates of Vienna’s “Open Letter to Pamela Geller.” They are to be commended for righting a wrong. Get the facts, first. Many of those who have signed have not a cursory knowledge of what actually happened.
Many good people have written in support and defense of me in GoV’s recent attack (their entire front page was attacking me in one giant hot mess). I am not sure who he is working for or why, but it’s not kosher. That’s for shiz.
Here is a partial list of people and groups that support our position. Considering that it is the holiday weekend, this is an extraordinary outpouring of support, and we are grateful.
Zilla of the Resistance
Big Fur Hat, I Own The World
Oleg, Peoples Cube
Blogmocracy
Anders Gravers, SIOE, Stop Islamisation of Europe
Stephen Gash, Stop Islamisation of England
SIOE Austria
SIOE Bosnia Herzegovina
SIOE Bulgaria
SIOE Denmark
SIOE England
SIOE Faroe Islands
SIOE France
SIOE Germany
SIOE Italy
SIOE Norway
SIOE Poland
SIOE Serbia
SIOE Spain
SIOE Republik Srpska
SIOE Sweden
SIOE International (all in all 31,833 followers)
Stop Islamization of Thailand
Devorah Hoffman, Israel Defense Initiative
Bo Rightwing, Danish Defence League
Boudica BPI
Grendel Report
Loopyloo
Kaj Mikkelsen, Kamik-Scandinavia United
John Jay, Summer Patriot, Winter Soldier
Logan’s Warning
Rich Davis, West Chester Victory Movement
American Sheepdogs
AFDI
SIOA
Vigilant Squirrel Brigade
No Mosques At Ground Zero
The Silent Majority
DC Watson
Conny Axel Meier, BÜRGERBEWEGUNG PAX EUROPA
Sheik Yer’mami, Winds of Jihad
Amil Imani
Katie O’Malley, AnyStreet Organization
Jonathan, Confidential Reporter
Mathews V. George, India
Joseph Zaalishvili, Georgia (former Soviet Republic)
Pamela Hall, SIOA, New York
Urban Infidel
James Lafferty, SIOA, Virginia
Larissa Scott, SIOA, Florida
Dave Heckert, SIOA, Alaska
Atlas Shrugs
Jihad Watch
UPDATE 3:50PM: Within minutes of the initial posting, Pamela heard from DaTechGuy and Mr. Pinko from iOwnTheWorld.com; they are in, also. Welcome, and happy 4th!
UPDATE 5:00PM: VAST, the Virginia Anti-Sharia Task force, stands with us, as well as Andrea Lafferty, President of the Traditional Values Coalition.
UPDATE: John Jay raises a significant point here about the timeline of events.
UPDATE: 6:00PM: Knuckledraggin my life away “has our back.”
UPDATE 6:33PM: The Anti Jihadist at Pedestrian Infidel.
UPDATE 6:42PM: Stephanie, Newstime.co.nz (New Zealand).
UPDATE 6:46PM: Monika Kaufmann joins us from Germany.
UPDATE: It is important to note that while we asked some people we worked with to sign on, the great majority of the above list came on their own volition. The “Baron” at Gates of Vienna writes: “For the record: I sent out no emails soliciting support for our open letter.” For the record, I received this earlier today from a prominent blogger whom I had asked to sign our statement: “People on the other side of this current feud have contacted me as well.” Of course, the “Baron” no doubt had other people contact this person, keeping his statement strictly, albeit Jesuitically, true.
UPDATE 7:04PM: The nonpareil Robert S. McCain stands with us.
UPDATE 7:46PM: Sisu is in.
UPDATE 7:47PM: Marked Manner “totally supports our stance.”
UPDATE: Tommy Robinson contacted Pamela Geller at 5PM today and let her know that Hel Gower is not an EDL admin. He said that Gower deals with media requests and arranges meetings for him. Pamela comments: “Tommy Robinson has been a mensch all through this, in acknowledging that there is a problem that needs to be addressed, instead of denying it and shooting the messenger, like the writers of this ‘Open Letter.'”
UPDATE 8:10PM: Kafir at American Jingoist stands with us.
UPDATE 8:15PM: Razor Sharp Claws stands shoulder to shoulder with us.
UPDATE 8:19PM: Puma by Design is on our side.
UPDATE 9:20PM: American Glob oozes support.
UPDATE 9:39PM: Counter-jihadist Holger Awakens stands with us.
UPDATE 10:25PM: Despite being asked by GoV to sign their “Open Letter” (although the “Baron” claimed he had sent out no emails begging for signatures), Bare Naked Islam asked to join our list of supporters. She told Pamela Geller: “Gates of Vienna asked me to sign his letter and I refused.”
UPDATE 12:04AM: Barry Sommer of Islam Today Oregon stands with us also.
UPDATE 12:15AM: Now joining us and most welcome is Narain Kataria, the President of the Indian American Intellectuals Forum.
UPDATE: 12:51AM: Matt of Conservative Hideout wants to add his blog to the list.
UPDATE 1:34AM: Philip Daniel, a scholar of Islamic history and Qur’anic exegesis, and blogger at The Blogmocracy, writes to Pamela Geller: “After reading over your blogpost, alongside having considered other material from diverse sources — now, following a period of deep introspection on this issue, I’ve made my decision, rendered my verdict. I know I’m going to receive a great deal of flack over this from certain quarters, but add me to your list of supporters.”
UPDATE 7:32 AM: UNCOVERAGE.net “stands with Pamela.”
UPDATE 9:02AM: That’s so Haram shouts out support live from Tokyo (thanks, Zilla).
UPDATE 12:18PM: Pavel Chernev, presidential candidate, Bulgaria stands with us.
UPDATE 2:23PM: Imran Firasat, Mundo in Islam in Spain signs on in support.
UPDATE 2:30PM: TeresAmerica posts on her support here.
UPDATE 3:23PM: “Please add my name to your list of supporters”: Deborah with Act for America, Las Vegas, Nevada.
Posted by Robert on July 3, 2011 12:16 PM | 38 Comments
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