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Evangelical Atheism, Guest Post from MacDuff

by coldwarrior ( 241 Comments › )
Filed under Guest Post, Religion at January 5th, 2011 - 11:30 am

Blogmocracy in action:
Guest Post by MacDuff

Evengelical Atheism





Atheist Evangelicals

I confess that I have never really understood the point of “evangelical atheism”. Certainly, we all have the right to believe or not; that was the primary point of Europeans coming to this continent in the first place. Unless another person’s belief directly (or indirectly) interferes with my life or the exercise of my rights, it is of no concern to me.

While religion has been a point of contention for the whole of mankind’s history, here in the United States, it has been practiced, in all of it’s various forms, in extraordinary peace and tranquility. With the exception of Muslims, for whom murder and mayhem seem to be a malevolent sacrament, all manners of beliefs have been brought to these shores and practiced, virtually free of bloodshed and violence.

Jews and Christians do not find the others’ beliefs offensive. Muslims…well, Muslims simply do not play well with others, but that’s certainly not a problem peculiar to the United States, though it does seem to be peculiar to Islam. It’s pretty clear that the United States has achieved a religious “melting pot” that should be the envy of the world.

That said, I must question the reasoning behind this:

Religions are ‘Scams,’ Atheist Group Declares in Alabama Advertisement

A new advertisement in Alabama by a national atheist group is reportedly declaring religions to be “scams.”

The Huntsville ad — produced by the American Atheists — displays the message “You know they’re all scams” alongside pictures of religious symbols, such as Islam’s crescent moon and star, the cross and the Jewish star, according to the Christian Post.

The billboard also claims that the national group has been “telling the truth since 1963.”

The American Atheists define “scam” as a fraudulent business scheme or ploy to intentionally mislead a person, usually with the goal of financial gains, the Post reports.

According to the group, “all religions make lots of promises about an afterlife that doesn’t exist.”

Here’s a video report on the story:

The billboard in question was erected by American Atheists. According to their website, you can be a member (for a year) for as little as $15, or become a Life Member for $2,400. There’s also an online store where all manners of merchandise is available. May I remind you of their definition of a “scam” from the piece above:

The American Atheists define “scam” as a fraudulent business scheme or ploy to intentionally mislead a person, usually with the goal of financial gains, the Post reports.

I may attend any church or synagogue in the country, free of charge. To my knowledge, there nary a one that charges admission. Yes, I may contribute to that church or synagogue, but only should I choose to do so – any amount is welcome. On the other hand, one may also be an atheist, free of charge, but may also choose to make it more “official” by joining the club and get the newsletter (for $15 – $2,400) or by buying a nifty T-shirt, or other sundry merchandise, to boldly proclaim one’s emancipation from God, to anyone who cares. Personally, I would like further clarification on the “scam” charge.

Ah, but I digress. Why the vehement attacks upon the beliefs of others and what end do they serve? Belief, or lack thereof, is generally a very personal experience and generally not shared with strangers. Why atheists find the beliefs of others so personally offensive that they would actively act to quash them is a mystery.

Theism is no more than a belief system based upon faith in something that cannot be rationally explained or proven, as is atheism. Atheists can no more prove the absence of an afterlife than theists can prove its existence. Theists believe, and atheists disbelieve, each with an equal amount of provable evidence to support their position

Evangelical atheists, on the other hand, seem so fervent in their disbelief, so zealous in their lack of faith, that they feel compelled to cast aspersions upon anyone who has an opposing view.

So, at what point does evangelical atheism become a “religion” unto itself, replete with zealous preachers intent upon delivering “the truth” to the benighted? It would appear that point has been reached.

(cross posted from The Weeks Review)

An Honest Admission – Sunday Afternoon Open Thread

by tqcincinnatus ( 105 Comments › )
Filed under Religion, Science at August 23rd, 2009 - 10:48 am

“We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs, in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories, because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism.

“It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations no matter how counterintuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated.  Moreover, that materialism is an absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door.”  – Dr. Richard Lewontin

Basically, he is describing the difference between “science” and “scientism” (which he wrongly conflates with science).  “Science” is simply a set of investigative principles that is, by its own admission, limited in scope and ability.  “Scientism”, on the other hand, is a philosophical underpinning which forms the basis of evolutionism, and which refuses to accept the limitations on science that are imposed by the fact that science can only deal with physical evidences.  Scientism gets around the limitation by arguing for materialism – the unsubstantiated delusion that since metaphysical and supernatural evidences are outside the strict realm of science (as it presently exists at least) to investigate, that they therefore simply don’t exist.  It’s sort of like saying that all those people who talk about China and show you pictures from there are just raving superstitious morons since you’ve personally never been there.  “Science” knows its limits and accepts them, since it has no stake in doing otherwise.  “Scientism” doesn’t accept the limits, because of its fanatical need to eliminate the non-material.   The former is legitimate investigation, the later is simply a not very well-thought out  attempt at justifying atheism.

Crossposted to LGF on Evolution and Meditate in thy Precepts

Maybe He Could Set Up an Atheist Summer Camp for Them

by tqcincinnatus ( 90 Comments › )
Filed under Evolution, Islamists, UK at August 22nd, 2009 - 5:58 pm

From the guy who wanted to set up that creepy summer camp where he could affirm atheist kids in their social autism, comes the astoundingly presumptious notion that simply by simply translating his books in Arabic, the Islamic world will convert to evolutionismProfessor Richard Dawkins Wants to Convert Islamic World to Evolution

The author of The God Delusion and The Selfish Gene, whose new book, The Greatest Show on Earth, is serialised in The Times next week, has topped bestseller lists all over the world but never in a predominantly Muslim country.

None of Professor Dawkins’ books, on evolution as well as religion, has ever been translated into Arabic, and his work has been heavily censored in Turkey. In an interview with The Times, he said that popularising evolution in the Islamic world, where creationist beliefs are strong, was a challenge he is keen to take up. “To be a bestseller in a Muslim country would be a personal triumph,” he said.

“I would like to see my books translated into Arabic. They haven’t been. They are all translated into Hebrew. Persian, I’m not sure. My books are translated into Turkish and they regularly get censored and suppressed.

“The experience of my Turkish publisher of The God Delusion was that he was threatened with arrest for blasphemy. He may even have been arrested, and my website has been banned in Turkey. I feel amused really. There’s something to be said for being suppressed, it makes people want to read you.”

Talk about misplaced priorities.  Nevermind trying to get them to, you know, stop beheading people and setting off carbombs and stuff.  We have to get them all to believe in evolution.   Yeah, that’s the ticket.  Because nobody who believes in evolution ever beheaded anyone (….they just marched them into gas chambres by the millions). 

What is with these nutters who don’t seem to care about the threat of Islamism, but they’ve all fired up that some kid might not believe that we evolved from sea cucumbers?

Good grief.