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Sentients Flock To Chik-Fil-A

by Bunk Five Hawks X ( 87 Comments › )
Filed under Bigotry, Censorship, Christianity, Communism, Fascism, Free Speech, Hate Speech, Liberal Fascism, OOT, Open thread, Political Correctness, Politics, Progressives, Religion, Socialism at August 1st, 2012 - 11:00 pm

Here’s the premise:
Because Chik-Fil-A’s parent company supports traditional religious values and donated money to an organization that promotes heterosexual marriage, they must be against homosexuality; therefore we should boycott the independent franchise owners and send them and their employees to the poorhouse for the religious opinions of someone they likely have never met.

Pheew. That’s an enormous steaming pile of illogic to begin with, and it’s obviously a thinly veiled attack on the US Constitution and a test of the validity of the First Amendment. It has nothing at all to do with poking bungholes or spanking in tongues. Where is the ACLU to protect these innocent restauranteurs and those they employ, comprised of all races, creeds AND sexual orientation, against such blatant and illegal political thuggery?

If the president of a company said something so boneheaded as to offend every living person in the world – and the Owners of Chik-Fil-A never uttered a word against homosexuality, in fact their public statements said the opposite –  isn’t he/she allowed to speak his/her opinion? Why penalize 2nd and 3rd parties, the franchisees and those they employ, with a speech-squelching boycott? Why even penalize the person who may or may not have made such a remark?

The Bill Of Rights BEGINS with The First Amendment; it wasn’t an afterthought. That some elected officials, including those holding high positions of authority, would even consider supporting such abasement of the concepts of free enterprise and Freedom of Speech is abhorrent. Make no mistake. This is one more small step designed to squelch dissent.

Yeah, I know – preaching to the choir. The image above has nothing to do with my commentary, except that it’s the mental picture Progressives conjure of Conservatives, and works as a visual introduction to
The Overnight Open Thread.

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Update: ACLU does the right thing.  h/t Bob in Breckenridge

Tearing Down Walls — Egyptian Style

by 1389AD ( 22 Comments › )
Filed under Breaking News, Christianity, Egypt, Islamic Supremacism at February 27th, 2011 - 10:00 am

Originally published on Gates of Vienna.

Reprinted with permission.

For the last three days the Egyptian army has been systematically destroying the protective fences that Coptic Christians recently built around three of their monasteries.

Three ancient monasteries in Egypt are among the oldest continuously functioning Christian religious establishments in the world. Until the recent insurrection and the overthrow of the Mubarak regime, the monasteries could count on the police protection from marauding Muslim zealots and thieves looking for valuable icons.

When civil order vanished from Egypt a few weeks ago, the Copts appealed to the army for protection. They were told that the military could not protect them, that they must protect themselves. And so they did, building protective fences around the monastery.

Unfortunately, it seems the army prefers that the monasteries remain unprotected: on Sunday soldiers with bulldozers arrived and began destroying the fences. Any Copts who attempted to interfere are being shot at by troops.

Here’s the latest from AINA

Egyptian Armed Forces Fire at Christian Monasteries, 19 Injured

by Mary Abdelmassih

(AINA) — For the second time in as many days, Egyptian armed force stormed the 5th century old St. Bishoy monastery in Wadi el-Natroun, 110 kilometers from Cairo. Live ammunition was fired, wounding two monks and six Coptic monastery workers. Several sources confirmed the army’s use of RPG ammunition. Four people have been arrested including three monks and a Coptic lawyer who was at the monastery investigating yesterday’s army attack..

Monk Aksios Ava Bishoy told activist Nader Shoukry of Freecopts the armed forces stormed the main entrance gate to the monastery in the morning using five tanks, armored vehicles and a bulldozer to demolish the fence built by the monastery last month to protect themselves and the monastery from the lawlessness which prevailed in Egypt during the January 25 Uprising.

“When we tried to address them, the army fired live bullets, wounding Father Feltaows in the leg and Father Barnabas in the abdomen,” said Monk Ava Bishoy. “Six Coptic workers in the monastery were also injured, some with serious injuries to the chest.”

The injured were rushed to the nearby Sadat Hospital, the ones in serious condition were transferred to the Anglo-Egyptian Hospital in Cairo.

Father Hemanot Ava Bishoy said the army fired live ammunition and RPGs continuously for 30 minutes, which hit part of the ancient fence inside the monastery. “The army was shocked to see the monks standing there praying ‘Lord have mercy’ without running away. This is what really upset them,” he said. “As the soldiers were demolishing the gate and the fence they were chanting ‘Allahu Akbar’ and ‘Victory, Victory’”.

He also added that the army prevented the monastery’s car from taking the injured to hospital.

The army also attacked the Monastery of St. Makarios of Alexandria in Wady el-Rayan, Fayoum, 100 km from Cairo. It stormed the monastery and fired live ammunition on the monks. Father Mina said that one monk was shot and more than ten have injuries caused by being beaten with batons. The army demolished the newly erected fence and one room from the actual monastery and confiscated building materials. The monastery had also built a fence to protect itself after January 25 and after being attacked by armed Arabs and robbers leading to the injury of six monks, including one monk in critical condition who is still hospitalized.

The army had given on February 21 an ultimatum to this monastery that if the fence was not demolished within 48 hours by the monks, the army would remove it themselves (AINA 2-23-2011).

The Egyptian Armed Forces issued a statement on their Facebook page denying that any attack took place on St. Bishoy Monastery in Wady el-Natroun, “Reflecting our belief in the freedom and chastity of places of worship of all Egyptians.” The statement went on to say that the army just demolished some fences built on State property and that it has no intention of demolishing the monastery itself (video of army shooting at Monastery).

Father Hedra Ava Bishoy said they are in possession of whole carton of empty bullet shells besides the people who are presently in hospital to prove otherwise.

The army attack came after the monks built a fence for their protection after the police guards left their posts and fled post the January 25th Uprising and after being attacked by prisoners who were at large, having escaped from their prisons during that period.

“We contacted state security and they said there was no police available for protection,” said Father Bemwa,” So we called the Egyptian TV dozens of times to appeal for help and then we were put in touch with the military personnel who told us to protect ourselves until they reach us.” He added that the monks have built a low fence on the borders of one side of the monastery which is vulnerable to attacks, on land which belongs to the monastery, with the monks and monastery laborers keeping watch over it 24 hours a day.

The monks of St. Bishoy are now holding a sit-in in front of monastery in protest against the abuse of the army by using live bullets against civilians

Nearly 7000 Copts staged a peaceful rally in front of the Coptic Cathedral in Cairo, where Pope Shenouda III was giving his weekly lecture (video), after which they marched towards Tahrir Square to protest the armed forces attacks on Coptic monasteries.

The army’s claim that no demolitions took place is belied by several videos that were taken by Copts on the scene, including the one below. Many thanks to Mohamed the Atheist for the translation, and to Vlad Tepes for the subtitling. The video and a transcript are below the jump:

Transcript:

0:17   Oh god, oh god
0:23   Oh god
0:29   Oh Jesus
0:34  
0:42   Oh Jesus, oh god
0:49   Oh Jesus
0:51   Oh Jesus
0:54   Don’t throw rocks!
0:56   Don’t throw rocks!
1:00  
1:04   They are firing live ammunition, right?
1:07   This is live ammunition.
1:13  
1:46   Oh Jesus
1:50  
1:59   Oh Jesus
2:04   They’ve destroyed it. God is going to make you pay..
2:07   They’ve destroyed it
2:11   They’ve destroyed it
2:15  
2:21   They’ve destroyed it
2:25  
2:33   Oh Jesus!
2:36   Sons of bitches!
2:42   Watch out, boy!
2:47  
2:53   Call for help!
2:55   Call for help, quickly!
2:59  
3:10   Oh Jesus!
3:20   They destroyed the wall, father!
3:32   Oh Jesus! Oh Jesus!
3:36   Oh god!
3:45   What are we going to do then, father?
3:52   He was shot, they shot him.
3:57   Bring the car.

I travelled to 51 Park Place yesterday

by Delectable ( 340 Comments › )
Filed under Islam, Religion at September 1st, 2010 - 2:00 pm

This column will come as a shock to some, but it must be written. It comes after a great deal of thought and soul searching, and after I wrote this article.

I travelled to 51 Park Place with my dad yesterday (we were in the neighborhood anyway). I saw firsthand that this location is not within eye distance of Ground Zero. There will be a large building blocking the view of this location and Ground Zero, and it will certainly not tower over Ground Zero and/or the Freedom Tower. This is close to Ground Zero, but not next door. The TV remembrance ceremony would not ever pan to the Cordoba Institute. I honestly believe this “Ground Zero mosque” is not even symbolically awful. It simply is a mosque in the neighborhood of Ground Zero.
 
I happen to believe the imam in particular is a fake-o moderate who wishes for a one-state solution vis-a-vis Israel and supports the Iranian regime. He claims to be a “bridge builder,” so he has a special responsibility to prove this by being transparent and clear in his denouncement of jihad as well as his financing, which he has not done. I thus support protests of Imam Rauf and his group. But I do not support blocking the Islamic center and mosque itself. Consider: (a) the reality that the location is not in fact within eye view of Ground Zero; (b) there is no pending allegation that this imam and/or the Cordoba Institute has broken any laws. After giving this serious thought, I don’t see why there is any cogent argument to be made to block this mosque. As I just said, I oppose this imam and support protests against the imam. But there is no “there there” that can or should be used to block Park51/Cordoba Institute from building at this site.
 
To put it in clearer perspective: if the American Nazi party were to want to be at that location and lawfully purchased the land, I say we would have to let them be there. (note that Nazis were allowed to march in Skokie, Illinois)
 
I don’t think there is any argument to be made for banning Park51/Cordoba Institute/”Ground Zero Mosque” that could withstand first amendment scrutiny. I also don’t understand the sensitivity argument. Firstly, Imam Rauf and his group can be the most insensitive bastards they want to be, in accordance with the law. Secondly, since the proposed building is not within eye view of Ground Zero, what is there to be sensitive about? Thirdly, if Imam Rauf is so bad, why is it better to have this mosque located uptown or in Brooklyn?
 
When people think about it, they realize that it really is no better to have a mosque in Times Square (as an example), and that is why we are starting to see people from all walks of life writing that they want all mosques banned. So the argument that it is only this “insensitive location” that is the problem is simply disingenuous. However, I ask: do we really want the government to have the ability to ban a religious institution? Do you trust the government to have that sort of power and not abuse it? I realize many of the protestors are simply expressing their distaste of Imam Rauf and his group (as a lobbying tool, rather than through governmental action), and are misinformed about the exact location of this proposed community center/mosque, believing it to be closer to Ground Zero than it is. But some of the protestors have started to literally say all mosques should be banned, and some politicians are starting to hitch their wagon to such extremists. This is a problem for all of us.
 
I believe Islam is a religion with a mainstream that often promotes inequality and violence, as well as antisemitism and supremacism. I would like that to change, but that is what appears to be the case today, with “mainstream leaders” that excuse away wife beating and Hamas. (see: Tariq Ramadan) However, as I said before, my analysis of Islam is unchanged even if I believed Islam were the equivalent of Nazism itself. I am also aware of the fact that Nazism at first spread by speech. And that is a pitfall of the first amendment and a risk we have to take. But if we start to say “no new mosques,” (or even that a certain radius around Ground Zero should be free of mosques) then we’ll start to see a primrose path of the government being in a position to ban all sorts of other speech. See, as an example, the Netherlands, where, for good-hearted reasons, there are hate speech laws. These very laws are being used to punish Geert Wilders, and possibly send him to jail. In Canada, Ezra Levant and Mark Steyn had to face bogus “hate speech” prosecutions. In France, while the hijab is banned in schools, so are kippahs and crosses. It is these sorts of situations that I would like to avoid.

And just to clarify – when there are allegations of laws being broken (such as the Muslim American Society, where there are allegations (and video evidence) that they have literally funded Hamas), then my analysis changes. The law provides the US government a tool to block/freeze the property of terrorist groups, if it is proven that they are in fact a terror front group.  See this  and see this. In contrast to the Muslim American Society, there is no such claim that the “Cordoba Institute” have violated these laws.
 
And with this all said – the first amendment does not require that the New York Times (as an example) publish Hamas propaganda. And on Sunday, Ali Abunimah (Electronic Intifada) published a load of human excrement in the NY Times, where he openly advocated the Hamas position. His whole column was rife with double standards, inconsistencies, and inaccuracies. The NY Times has no legal obligation to publish pro-jihad columns, and I believe that our efforts are much better spent opposing the NY Times, Washington Post(et al) for allowing their newspapers to advocate on behalf of jihad, than it is going after symbolic and ultimately less important issues, such as the Ground Zero Mosque, which would be a pyrrhic victory anyway, if won, as it could make all of us less free.

We are a nation of laws, not of men. Once we start to make exceptions to our laws for unpopular groups, we start to descend into anarchy.

I don’t like Imam Rauf and his group. In fact, a part of me believes he is as great a threat as Bin Laden, as he legitimizes Islamic radicalism. (see his support for the Iranian regime and belief in a one-state solution vis-a-vis Israel, as but examples of this) But as S. G. Tallentyre said, “Though I disagree with everything you say, I will defend to the death your right to say it.”