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Responding to a J Streeter

by Delectable ( 115 Comments › )
Filed under IDF, Israel, Palestinians, Progressives at December 23rd, 2009 - 5:00 am

Greetings, netizens!

As I wrote before, I hope you see Love and Licenses on January 6th in NYC. However, I am writing this to discuss something else entirely.

I had a long back-and-forth communique with a progressive J Streeter, and I figured that you would appreciate my arguments, so that you may use my words in the future, should you come across similar such arguments.

It is important to note that there is a large swath of people who fit this category: they believe Israel has a right to exist, but they also believe Israel is a “colonizer” in Judea/Samaria (the “West Bank,” – we cannot cede language), and must go back to 1949 borders. This essay is meant to serve as a handy reference guide when you are faced with such people!

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ARGUMENT ONE: Israel is in violation of UN resolutions by being in Judea/Samaria ILLEGALLY. In order to stop violating “international law,” Israel needs to leave Judea/Samaria.
Here is the bottom line. The UN is made up of the countries that make up the UN, and that consists of a majority of despotic regimes that are antisemitic in nature. See: UN Watch, Eye on the UN.

You claimed that one of the “proofs” that Israel is “illegally occupying” the “settlements” are the numerous UN resolutions against the State of Israel.

I have the simplest answer in response. So what? Do you think I am unaware of the numerous resolutions against Israel, none of which are binding, but all of which simply prove the UN is a made up of antisemitic countries that punish the good guys?

The General Assembly resolutions are little more than suggestions, and are non-binding on an international level. The only binding “international law,” to the extent it even exists, are Security Council Resolutions. And Israel is not in violation of even a single Security Council resolution. The only resolution anyone points to is UN resolution 242, which was drafted by Eugene Rostow, undersecretary of State under Lyndon B. Johnson. And this resolution only calls for Israel to withdraw from “land for peace.” However – it does not call for Israel to withdraw from all land, and it only calls for Israel to withdraw from land in exchange for peace, not jihad.

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Israel’s Title to “Palestine” under International Law

by WrathofG-d ( 215 Comments › )
Filed under Democratic Party, Gaza, Israel, Middle East, Palestinians, UK, United Nations, World at December 16th, 2009 - 2:00 pm

BLOGMOCRACY IN ACTION!

This Thread By “Contributor” & Netizen – “Eliana”

Israel has a solid case under international law for the ownership of all of the land included in the Palestine Mandate. On November 28th, the Jerusalem Post published this article:

NGO to Clinton: Settlements are legal
By JACOB KANTER

The Office for Israeli Constitutional Law, a non-governmental legal action organization, sent a letter to US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton last week, warning that by labeling Jewish settlements in the West Bank illegal, she is violating international law.

The little-known Anglo-American Convention, a treaty signed by the US and British governments in 1924, stipulated that the US fully accepted upon itself the Mandate for Palestine, which declared all of the West Bank within its borders.

“The treaty has been hidden,” said OFICL director Mark Kaplan. “But if you look at the House [of Representatives] deliberations during World War I, people are saying, ‘Look, we’ve invested a lot of money in Palestine, and we expect that this treaty will be upheld.'”

Though the United Nations’ 1947 partition plan declared the West Bank an Arab territory, the mandate’s borders still hold today.

“The mandate expired in 1948 when Israel got its independence,” Kaplan said. “But the American-Anglo convention was a treaty that was connected to the mandate. Treaties themselves have no statute of limitations, so their rights go on ad infinitum.”

“The UN partition plan was just that-a plan,” said OFICL chairman Michael Snidecor in a statement. “The General Assembly has no authority to create countries or change borders…

The OFICL letter also warned Clinton that if her office does not comply with the civil rights recognized in the Anglo-American convention, OFICL will file a class-action suit in a US district court….

NGO to Clinton: Settlements are legal

From the letter to Hillary Clinton from the OFICL:

Thereafter, the United States of America ratified a treaty a with the British Government known as the Anglo-American Treaty of 1924, which included by reference the aforementioned Balfour Declaration and includes, verbatim, the full text of the Mandate for Palestine.

“Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on the 2nd of November 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people…”

By doing so, the United States of America is legally bound to the principles contained in the “Balfour Declaration” and the “Mandate for Palestine.”

Letter to U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton

THE ARGUMENT used against Israel in the claim that the Jewish settlements in Judea, Samaria and the Jewish neighborhoods in eastern Jerusalem are illegal is a cynical and wicked twisting of an article in the 4th Geneva Convention that was meant to prevent another Holocaust:

Many who allege that Jewish communities in the West Bank violate international law cite the 4th Geneva Convention, Article 49. It states that an occupying power “shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies.” But Julius Stone, like Rostow a leading legal theorist, wrote in his 1981 book, “Israel and Palestine: An Assault on the Law of Nations,” that the effort to designate Israeli settlements as illegal was a “subversion . . . of basic international law principles.”

Stone, Stephen Schwebel, a former judge on the International Court of Justice, and others have distinguished between territory acquired in an “aggressive conquest” (such as Nazi Germany’s seizures during World War II) and territory taken in self-defense (such as Israeli conquests in 1967).

The distinction is especially sharp when the territory acquired had been held illegally, as Jordan had held the West Bank, which it seized during the Arab states’ 1948-49 war against Israel.

Further, Article 49 of the 4th Geneva Convention was intended to outlaw the Nazi practice of forcibly transporting populations into or out of occupied territories to labor or death camps. Israelis were not forcibly transferred to the West Bank, nor were Palestinian Arabs forced out of it. Two years after President Carter’s State Department determined that Israeli settlements violated international law, President Reagan said flatly that they were “not illegal.”

Israeli settlements are more than legitimate

The “Palestinian” Claim to Judea, Samaria, Gaza and eastern Jerusalem is Illegitimate

The “Palestinians” claim is that they are entitled to the land up to the pre-1967 cease fire lines because these areas of land were “taken” from Jordan and Egypt.

In Article 5 of the Mandate of Palestine (which is incorporated into the Anglo-American treaty of 1924 and the United Nations Charter) states:

“The Mandatory shall be responsible for seeing that no Palestine territory shall be ceded or leased to, or in any way placed under the control of, the Government of any foreign power.”

Mandate for Palestine

Jordan and Egypt violated international law when they (as “foreign powers”) took control of Judea, Samaria, Gaza and eastern Jerusalem. After these “foreign powers” had been expelled, they did not have legal heirs to this land in the form of fellow Arabians who call themselves “Palestinians.”

This legal matter will have to be addressed in the American legal system because the Obama Administration’s and the U.S. State Department’s obligations to recognize that all of the land belongs to Israel are at the center of the legal arguments.

Let’s hope the case moves forward.

Egyptians Gas “Palestinians”; World Yawns

by WrathofG-d ( 139 Comments › )
Filed under Egypt, Guest Post, Palestinians at December 11th, 2009 - 11:38 am

Blogmocracy In Action!

Guest Post by  “Snork”


Yes, you read that right.

The following is the latest nontroversy from Haaretz -the most left-leaning of Israel’s English-language media outlets:

Egypt building iron wall on Gaza border to stop smuggling, which starts out with the opening paragraphs:

Egypt has begun the construction of a massive iron wall along its border with the Gaza Strip, in a bid to shut down smuggling tunnels into the territory.   The wall will be nine to 10 kilometers long, and will go 20 to 30 meters into the ground, Egyptian sources said.   It will be impossible to cut or melt.

The new plan is the latest move by Egypt to step up its counter-smuggling efforts.   Although some progress had been made, the smuggling market in Gaza still flourishes.

Ahhhh the humanity, the “ethnic cleansing”, the “apartheid”, the “land grab”….THE SILENCE!  On a different note, I have a couple of engineering comments:   “impossible to cut or melt?”; my butt!   Haven’t they ever heard of oxy-acetylene?   Also, if you assume that it is made of 1/4” thick plate (it’s probably thicker), 25 meters by 10 km works out to about 50,000 cubic feet, or 12,250 tons of steel. That’s a big job.  The steel alone is close to $10,000,000.  I wonder who’s paying for it?

Anyway, on to the third paragraph:

Egyptian forces demolish tunnels or fill them with gas almost every week, often with people still inside them, and Palestinian casualties in the tunnels have been steadily rising.

You don’t say?  I expect the human rights apparatus to snap to attention and start comparing this to the Nazi gas chambers.  Anyone?…Bueller???…Hello?….Where did everybody go?

It goes without saying that if this were the Israelis doing this, there would be massive protests from the highest UN officials, to the lowest so-called “peace” or “human rights” activist.  This silence, and hypocrisy is enough to make one question whether the human rights groups are really earnest.

It would be churlish to think that Amnesty International and HRW had an agenda that was anything but 100% altruistic. Maybe they just don’t know this is going on. Can somebody tell them? I’m sure they’d like to know, so they can bring this to the world’s attention. Can somebody also let the UN know? I guess they don’t read Haaretz for some reason.

I guess these nice people are too busy with all these human rights issues in Jerusalem, and don’t have time to read the papers. Surely, they have nothing but the best interests of these poor Palestinians in their hearts, or they wouldn’t be kicking up such a fuss in Jerusalem. So I’m sure they’d be astonished and appalled to learn what’s happening on the Gaza/Egypt border. Will someone please let them know?

This is why the UN needs a standing army.  To move in and stomp out this kind of human rights abuse.

What’s happening?

by Kafir ( 252 Comments › )
Filed under Links, Open thread at December 5th, 2009 - 10:28 am

Iran warns Switzerland over minaret ban

Iran warned Switzerland on Saturday of “consequences” over a referendum banning the building of new mosque minarets and urged Bern not to enforce the ban, the official IRNA news agency reported.

The vote went “against the prestige of a country which claims to be an advocate of democracy and human rights,” Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki told Swiss counterpart Micheline Calmy-Rey in a telephone call, quoted by IRNA.
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IRNA said Switzerland’s ambassador in Tehran was summoned on Saturday before the foreign ministry, which protested against the minaret ban which was backed by more than 57% of voters who cast their ballot on November 29.

Calmy-Rey said the referendum was carried out against the will of the Swiss government, which would “use all its means to support Muslims rights,” the IRNA report added.

The referendum on a constitutional ban on minarets was proposed by a rightwing Swiss party and had not been expected to succeed.

Obama approval rating below 50 percent
ON A CNN POLL

Forty-eight percent of Americans questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. national survey released Friday said they approve of the job Obama is doing as president — a drop of 7 percentage points from a survey last month.

Obama Ignores ‘Climate-Gate’ in Revising Copenhagen Plans

The scandal has prompted calls for Obama from global warming skeptics to skip this month’s climate summit in Copenhagen — instead, the White House is doubling down on its commitment.

Russia turns to Israel for help in investigation into train bombing


And in case you missed it:

The Illegal-Settlements Myth – (link from Wrath-of-God)

NYT’s op-ed – The 9/11 of 1859 – (hattip to snork)

Few if any Americans today would question the justness of John Brown’s cause: the abolition of human bondage. But as the nation prepares to try Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, who calls himself the architect of the 9/11 attacks, it may be worth pondering the parallels between John Brown’s raid in 1859 and Al Qaeda’s assault in 2001.

Yes, he said that. And it seems Bernadine Dohrn thinks she’s the 60’s equivilent:

Pro-violence abolitionist John Brown studied in NY

LAKE PLACID, N.Y. — John Brown, the 19th-century abolitionist who advocated armed violence, is drawing a diverse crowd this week to study how his fight against slavery continues to play in America.
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Organizers say the symposium, on Friday and Saturday, will examine the impact of Brown’s fight against slavery on America then and how it reverberates today. Speakers include Bernardine Dohrn, one of the best-known leaders of the 1960s radical group the Weather Underground; Maria Suarez, a Mexican immigrant who was virtually enslaved by a Southern California man after being lured to work for him in 1976; Russell Banks, author of the fictional Brown biography “Cloudsplitter”; and Alice Keesey Mecoy, a Brown descendant.
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“We’re trying to get people to take a look at the use of violence in our country — why American culture uses violence to achieve an end,” Wikoff said.

Dohrn would be an expert at that.