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Open Thread for Science Nerds – The Genetic Archaeology of India

by tqcincinnatus ( 49 Comments › )
Filed under Science at September 24th, 2009 - 4:00 pm

Anyone even remotely interested in this sort of subject, please keep reading. Anyone who isn’t, please consider this to be an open thread!

Interesting genetic research on the population of India,

The population of India was founded on two ancient groups that are as genetically distinct from each other as they are from other Asians, according to the largest DNA survey of Indian heritage to date. Nowadays, however, most Indians are a genetic hotchpotch of both ancestries, despite the populous nation’s highly stratified social structure.

“All Indians are pretty similar,” says Chris Tyler-Smith, a genome researcher at the Wellcome Trust Sanger Institute near Cambridge, UK, who was not involved in the study. “The population subdivision has not had a dominating effect.”

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The researchers showed that most Indian populations are genetic admixtures of two ancient, genetically divergent groups, which each contributed around 40-60% of the DNA to most present-day populations. One ancestral lineage — which is genetically similar to Middle Eastern, Central Asian and European populations — was higher in upper-caste individuals and speakers of Indo-European languages such as Hindi, the researchers found. The other lineage was not close to any group outside the subcontinent, and was most common in people indigenous to the Andaman Islands, a remote archipelago in the Bay of Bengal.

The researchers also found that Indian populations were much more highly subdivided than European populations. But whereas European ancestry is mostly carved up by geography, Indian segregation was driven largely by caste. “There are populations that have lived in the same town and same village for thousands of years without exchanging genes,” says Reich.

These findings are very interesting, and in some circles will prove to be pretty controversial. I’m interested in this because I think this genetic data pretty decisively decided the on-going Indian origins debate between the “One India” (OI) theory and the “Indo-Aryan Invasion” (IAI) theory in favour of the latter (please note: the term “Aryan” as it is used here does not have anything to do with Nazis or Nazism).

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Global Warming is Failing as Science

by tqcincinnatus ( 170 Comments › )
Filed under Science at September 23rd, 2009 - 3:22 pm

One of the standards used to determine whether something is “science” by the strict definition of the word is whether a theory can be used to make accurate predictions.  In light of the President’s ill-advised cheerleading at the UN yesterday, we should ask ourselves whether global warming actually meets this definition of science.  Global warming fanatics have proposed that as carbon dioxide content in the atmosphere increases, we will see proportional increases in temperature coupled with other climatological effects.  As Tony Watt at Watts Up With That points out, one of the key arguments  for global warming – that sea ice coverage continues to decrease (which in GreenSpeak translates into “RISING SEA LEVELS WIPING OUT COASTAL CITIES AND KILLING MILLIONS!!!!!”) is failing the prediction test,

2009 Arctic Sea Ice Extent exceeds 2005 for this date

Those that have been watching the IARC-JAXA Arctic sea ice plot, and noting the slope of gain, rather expected this to happen. Today it did.
Here’s the current IARC-JAXA Sea Ice Extent plot:

 

While 2009 minimum on 09/13 of 5,249, 844 was just  65, 312 sq km below 2005 in minimum extent, which occurred on 9/22/2005  with 5,315,156 sq km, it has now rebounded quickly and is higher by 38,438 sq km, just 2 days before the 9/22/05 minimum. On 9/22/2009 it may very well be close to 60-80,000 sq km higher than the minimum on the same date in 2005.
While by itself this event isn’t all that significant, it does illustrate the continued rebound for the second year. The fact that we only missed the 2005 minimum by 65, 312, which is about one days worth of melt during many days of the melt season is also noteworthy.
What this all means is that the extent of the surface of the Arctic Ocean which is (as of 9-22-2009) covered in ice has reached the level seen in 2005.  As you can see from the graph, Arctic Sea ice coverage reached a minimum in 2007, and has been increasing over the past couple of years.  The trend from 2002 to 2007 was for less coverage, but the past two years show more.  What this means in laymen’s terms is that over the past couple of years, the summertime peak in Arctic ocean temperature (which, of course, affects how much ice is floating around in that ocean) has been been lower than it was in 2007.  In fact, it’s cooled to 2005 levels, and the trend suggests a cooling process is in action.  In short, the Arctic Ocean appears to be cooling down again, despite the predictions from global warming fanatics that it should continue to get warmer and warmer. 

Of course, Dr. Watt has pointed out that other predictions made by the AGW Truthers are not panning out, either.  More and more dangerous hurricanes?  Isn’t happening.  Tornadoes becoming more frequent and energetic?  Nope, that’s not happening either
No wonder the American people aren’t buying this AGW scaremongering – only 2% of us think the issue is a matter of priority, showing once again how out of touch our President really is. 

And, as the Czech President Vaclav Klaus (who’s probably a Ron Paulian, a creationist, a Birther, and a Glenn Beck fan) notes, the whole UN “global warming” pageant this week has a definite weird streak to it,

“It was sad and it was frustrating,” said Klaus, one of the world’s most vocal skeptics on the topic of global warming.

 

“It’s a propagandistic exercise where 13-year-old girls from some far-away country perform a pre-rehearsed poem,” he said. “It’s simply not dignified.”

 

At the opening of the summit attended by nearly 100 world leaders, 13-year-old Yugratna Srivastava of India told the audience that governments were not doing enough to combat the threat of climate change.

 

Klaus said there were increasing doubts in the scientific community about whether humans are causing changes in the climate or whether the changes are simply naturally occurring phenomena.

 

Am I the only one who thinks it’s not healthy that our President is taking advice on the “need” for climate change legislation from a 13-year old kid?

9 Year Old Undergoes Gender Transition

by WrathofG-d ( 93 Comments › )
Filed under UK, World at September 23rd, 2009 - 10:24 am

Welcome to our upside-down world where long before a child actually has any sense of true identity they already believe they are having an gender identity crisis.

A boy of nine has returned to school as a girl in what is believed to be Britain’s youngest gender swap.

Children at the school in southern England were told the child had left and been replaced by a female pupil.

The child came dressed in girls’ uniform with long hair tied in a pink ribbon.

The case comes after it was revealed yesterday that a 12-year-old boy had started his first term at secondary school in southern England as a girl.

Some parents at the school have criticised staff for not informing them before telling children about the gender change at a special assembly.

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Parents of childen at this U.K. school were understandably upset, but maybe not for what you would think.  They weren’t really going to bother with the fact that a 9 year old felt he/she needed to get a gender change…no, I guess that is just normal these days.  (Reminder! The child was under 10 years old)

The class parents weren’t upset with the gender swap itself, but with the way the school handled the issue.

Many parents felt they should have been informed in advance so they could better prepare their children. However, The Beaumont Society, a British transgender organization, felt it was inappropriate to advertise the gender change at all, feeling it would only lead to bullying and teasing of the 9-year-old in question.

Many parents felt they should have been informed in advance so they could better prepare their children.

I highly suggest you click the link above to the group the school reached out to for advice.  Wow!

From reading the comments here regarding this issue, it seems that this 9 year old’s gender transition is simply the tip of the iceberg of a much larger growing trend, and social movement.  It seems that 9 year old children having gender changes is the norm, and if you think otherwise it is YOU who have the problem!

TisKismet 10:43:50 AM Sep 22 2009

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I am confused about why so many are so prone to believe that a person’s biological state is the surest sign of gender. We KNOW for a fact, scientifically, that people are born with physiological gender anomalies all the time; why couldn’t or shouldn’t the psychological identity be deemed the most accurate? (emphasis added)

Yea how closed minded of me to think that gender might have something to do with biology!?

Like a Phoenix, Irreducible Complexity Rises Again

by tqcincinnatus ( 35 Comments › )
Filed under Evolution, Science at September 15th, 2009 - 7:03 pm

A couple of weeks ago, etihwelppA selrahC at LGF 1.0 posted about an article that appeared in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Science (PNAS) entitled “The Reducible Complexity of a Mitochondrial Molecular Machine.” As is usual for selrahC – who is not a scientist, and does not evince any actual knowledge of any scientific field – there was a whole lot of crowing about irreducible complexity “going down in flames.” Yet, this “evidence” for evolution was anything but. And today, Michael Behe, who pioneered irreducible complexity in the microbiological/biochemical fields, observes why this and other articles fail in this regard,

 Recently a paper appeared online in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, entitled “The reducible complexity of a mitochondrial molecular machine” As you might expect, I was very interested in reading what the authors had to say. Unfortunately, as is all too common on this topic, the claims made in the paper far surpassed the data, and distinctions between such basic ideas as “reducible” versus “irreducible” and “Darwinian” versus “non-Darwinian” were pretty much ignored.

Since PNAS publishes letters to the editor on its website, I wrote in. Alas, it seems that polite comments by a person whose work is the clear target of the paper are not as welcome as one might suppose from reading the journal’s letters-policy announcement (“We wish to provide readers with an opportunity to constructively address a difference of opinion with authors of recent papers. Readers are encouraged to point out potential flaws or discrepancies or to comment on exceptional studies published in the journal. Replication and refutation are cornerstones of scientific progress, and we welcome your comments.”) My letter received a brusque rejection. Below I reproduce the letter for anyone interested in my reaction to the paper. (By the way, it’s not just me. Other scientists whose work is targeted sometimes get the run around on letters to the editor, too. For an amusing / astounding example, see here.)

Call me paranoid, but it seems to me that some top-notch journals are real anxious to be rid of the idea of irreducible complexity. Recall that last year Genetics published a paper purportedly refuting the difficulty of getting multiple required mutations by showing it’s quick and easy in a computer – if one of the mutations is neutral (rather than harmful) and first spreads in the population. Not long before that, PNAS published a paper supposedly refuting irreducible complexity by postulating that the entire flagellum could evolve from a single remarkable prodigy-gene. Not long before that, Science published a paper allegedly refuting irreducible complexity by showing that if an investigator altered a couple amino acid residues in a steroid hormone receptor, the receptor would bind steroids more weakly than the unmutated form. (That one also made the New York Times!) For my responses, see here, here, here, and here. So, arguably picayune, question-begging, and just plain wrong results disputing IC find their way into front-line journals with surprising frequency. Meanwhile, in actual laboratory evolution experiments, genes are broken right and left as bacteria try to outgrow each other.

 Well, at least it’s nice to know that my work gives some authors a hook on which to hang results that otherwise would be publishable only in journals with impact factors of -3 or less. But if these are the best “refutations” that leading journals such as PNAS and Science can produce in more than a decade, then the concept of irreducible complexity is in very fine shape indeed.

 

This is pretty typical, really. Since evolutionism is not science, but is a philosophical predilection, it is very difficult for those who have had their whistles whetted by the thought that finally, this time around, they’ve refuted them doggone creationists to have to backtrack and admit that maybe they were a bit hasty. For them, doing so is, in a sense, a lot like having to recant a dearly held religious doctrine. Remember, this happened with Ida. The supposedly rock-solid evidence of proto-human evolution turned out to be an extinct lemur or some such. The MSM loudly trumped it, and were mimicked by non-science types like selrahC, even as the scientists were quietly backing away from the initial claims as it became apparent that there were too many problems with the data for Ida to retain celebrity status.

When I saw the post at LGF 1.0, the first thing I did was to go to PNAS’ website and print off the actual paper, figuring that the claims being made were not supported by the actual data. I was not disappointed. The data in Lithgow et al. does NOT support the wild-eyed ravings about refuting irreducible complexity. Not even close. I was going to go through the actual science involved and provide a precise demonstration of why the paper in question is scientific junk, but I just noticed that Casey Luskin at the Discovery Institute already did so. Go there and read the details. When I call Lithgow et al. “scientific junk,” I’m not just being pejorative. It actually IS junk. The whole paper is full of speculation, argument from (loose) analogy, and argument using assertions that have not been proven (and hence cannot, by the strict rules of logic, be used as support for their arguments) but are merely assumed a priori. At one point, the authors even say that they are engaging in speculation (their word, not mine) about a key point needed to sustain their argument.

As an aside, I also appreciate the point that Luskin makes that the authors of this paper are forced, once again, to rely upon the use of teleological language in their discussion. No matter how hard evolutionists try to get around it, it seems as if purpose and design keep intruding. This is a point I’ve consistently made for quite a while now – evolutionism can’t get anywhere without making evolution (a process) act teleologically (which presumes an intelligence directing the process to a definite, purposeful end). You see it all the time when evolutionists talk about evolution “designing more complex eyes” and whatnot.

Anywise, back to the article. Essentially, the logic behind this paper can be boiled down to a four-point syllogism:

1) The molecular machines that transport proteins through the mitochondrial membranes are made up of one complex of proteins.

2) In certain species of alpha-proteobacteria (which are assumed, but never demonstrated, to be evolutionary precursors to mitochondria, which were then “captured” by other cells, and became mitochondria), there are proteins with similar structures.

3) The genome that codes for these proteins could possibly have mutated to start coding for the proteins we see in mitochondria, which then could have adopted a new function (i.e. the mitochondrial transmembrane protein transport).

4) Therefore, they did.

That’s it. Behe and Luskin are right – the logic is spurious, and so is the PNAS article. There’s no demonstration that any of the presumptions in the article actually happened. No exhibition of data or evidence that would suggest that these speculations were anything more than that – mere speculations. Similarity of protein structure, I hate to tell them, does not prove, or even necessarily suggest, common descent or origin. They certainly haven’t provided anything to suggest otherwise in this case.